thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday thursday , a civil trial under the adul survivors act by e. j. carroll who brought the suit claiming he sexually assaulted her. and that factual matter, wha are the ex president of sexual assault of e. j. carol will be litigated in a civil trial, in new york, in the souther district starting next week. danya perry, thank you for you time tonight >> that's all in on this thursday thank you so much for your time. that is all in on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex >> good evening, chris that he said make a little video for chris, make a little video

his ten-year anniversary, it's just a little fun thing for chris. and then i'm like in my office and i see myself and my little video for chris an national television, and i'm going to say had i known, i wouldn't have left out the detail not only did you play maria in the sound of music but all seven van trap children >> that's right. and they still talk about it to this day >> and i'm glad everybody in america knows. thank you, my buddy. thanks to all of you at home for joining us tonight this is how they introduced a brill in the house of representative >> for thousands of years in human history we've recognized as a species there are women and men, and over the last several years there's been a perversion in our culture by the enemy, and the left has completely embraced the lie to erase the lines of

gender and to kwens you there isn't really gender and gender is fluid and can be whatever you want whenever you want, again more lies. >> so there has been a perversion in our culture of an enemy and the left has completely embraced the lie. introducing the first national bill to ban transgender kids from participating in sports using their preferred gender identity today the republican controlled house of representatives passed that bill with all republicans voting yes and all democrats voting no. complete party unity on taking the war on transgender americans and voting nationally. to some degree this shouldn't be surprising to anyone who's been paying attention to what republicans are doing at the state level. across the country republicans have basically given up on the idea of a small government instead they aim to expand the power of the state to coercively

reshape society in their preferred mold in kentucky republican teachers ban the teaching of sex ed or any discussion of puberty at all until sixth grade. in tennessee they passed a bill that would publish book publishers today the texas state senate passed a bill that would force every public school in the state to prominently display the ten commandments in every classroom. in iowa a group of republicans has introduced a bill to outlaw marriage equality despite the supreme court ruling that made it the law of the land in all 50 staets it's precisely those kind of bills intended for the majority on the supreme court should they decide they want to reverse that landmark decision. in idaho the governor has signed the nation's first abortion trafficking law. not only is it illegal to get an abortion in idaho but driving a

minor across state lines to obtain an abortion in a state where it is legal, doing that could land you up to five years in prison. also in idaho conservative lawmakers have introduced legislation to ban all mrna vaccines like the ones used to fight covid. the sponsor that of bill did recently update that legislation striking a provision that would have banned mrna vaccines for all mams, which must make house cats happy republicans are trying to expand the power of the state over government officials look in georgia that's where republicans have advanced a bill that would allow state officials to remove prosecutors if they don't like the job that prosecutor is doing. that means if governor kemp signs this law td allow republicans to remove fulton county attorney fani willis. in texas republicans have passed

a similar measure which would deny prosecutors the power to decide which cases they'd even bring, it would allow state republicans to force prosecutions on things like abortion and voter fraud even if the local prosecutors don't think a case is worth bringing now, none of these proposals are broadly popular with the american people, but republicans are pushing them anyway, and they're giving themselves new powers to expand and cement minority rule in the process the question now is how do americans fight back against a tyrannical minority? how do citizens fight creeping authoritarianism across the united states? one pushing back is michigan state senator malory mcmorrow. one year ago yesterday she became a household name when she delivered this rebuke to republicans in her state >> i didn't expect to wake up yesterday to the news that the

senator from the 22nd district had overnight accused me by name of grooming and sexualalizing children in an e-mail fund-raising for herself so i sat on it for a while wondering why me, and then i realized because i am the biggest threat to your hollow, hateful scheme because you can't claim that you are targeting marginalized kids in the name of, quote, parental rights, if another parent is standing up to say no >> can democrats across the country take a similar stand against creeping authoritarianism how do they overcome the structural advantages that have allowed republicans to rule for the minority well, i have just the person to ask. joining us now is michigan state senator malory mcmorrow. she's also the senate's majority whip thank you for joining us tonight. you're quite the person to talk to on this topic

i first start with the big question a lot of people are asking right now, which is it a fundamental flaw in our democracy that a minority is able to rule like this and exercise their power in what feels like a very anti-democratic fashion? >> it absolutely is, and you see this creeping because so many of our states are so badly gerrymandered. that's exactly what happened in michigan where because of gerrymandering that allows the republican party to gain control and remain in control. they continue to flank further and further to the right extreme, and that works its way all the way up to our federal government >> just wonder, though, some of this is coming -- some of it is republicans judge shopping and judges having ever more power when they run into legislation they don't like, when we're talking about abortion, for example, the arguments over mifepristone some of this fueled by what we are told a grassroots minority that is organized and angry on the topic of quote-unquote

parental rights. i mean, does it surprise you setting aside the jerry mander question that the republican party which knows it actually needs to coo some winning here is embracing topics that just don't have national support? at some point they do need to win something legitimately and in order to do so, don't they need to adopt some kind of policy that has some kind of broad popularity >> you know, if you watch the 2022 results here in michigan, michigan is now a blue trifecta state for the first time in 40 years, because we sent such a loud rebuke to this brand of republican politics where tudor dishen, republican candidate for governor ran her entire campaign on anti-trans legislation despite the fact only two kids in the state of 10 million people per year apply for a waiver to play on a sports team that matches their gender identity the republican party themselves

put out a report following the 2022 election that noted they ran more ads about trans women in sports than they did about inflation. if that's not a problem i don't know what is but the lessons they seem to have taken away is not to come back to where a majority of people are, it's to double and triple down on crazy so we have to take the veil off, point out it for what it is. >> what is it about the trans kids, as you point out the vanishing -- there's no evidence really this is something that americans broadly are grappling right, this idea of child trans athletes in sports what is it about that issue that so fixates and animates the republican party >> because it's fear if you think about the numbers

the there are two kids in a state of 10 million people that go through this process, that means it's very likely a majority of people have never met a trans person at least that they know of if you just look at the instances of gun violence over the weekend where we saw an 85-year-old man fire a gun at a kid who knocked on his door and already admitted because he's paranoid, because of the nra and watching fox news and believes everyone's out to get him, and it is legislating and governing by fear. it's really easy to fear something you don't understand, and it's just classic scapegoating >> do you think that argument -- and i agree with you fear is so central to all of this do you think that conseft of fear and fear mongering extends -- there's a very, very engaged hard core anti-choice movement that is in large part

powering this against what is a political reality that the gop bases on this topic. but as a sort of organizing factor do you -- i mean, is fear part of it is it misogyny what about people having bodily autonomy scares republicans. >> all of these intersect. we had a vote here in the michigan state senate to repeal a ban on couples living together before they get married. five of six republicans voted to keep the law on the books in the year 2023. it is absolute madness but what we saw with dobbs is once the dobbs decision came down, you could no longer have this conversation in extremes because previously there had always been a back stop, so republicans could use rhetoric that was extreme because they knew there was always the protection but once dobbs came down and the

protection went away, what we saw here in michigan is a republican-airs, democratic areas, rule areas, women were having real conversations about all the many ways that a pregnancy can go wrong, that your birth control can fail and you could no longer just message based on fear because this was suddenly real. in michigan we had an abortion ban about to go into effect if we didn't act. republicans are on the losing side of this issue, and the same is true for lgbtq issues once we reveal the reality and we connect it to the facts that they're just distracting, again, from running more anti- transads about inflation, we've got to show people this is just to make you so angry and hateful and fearful about something you may never live through or never experience that you don't even notice they don't care about you either >> i do -- i do think that

there's some parts of our democracy -- there are certain institutions that really -- that really lend themselves to minority tyranny, if you will. the supreme court, the electoral college, the way our sort of -- the way that sparsely populated states are dramatically overrepresented in our electoral system it seems like the lower courts especially are really, really important in this moment in terms of fighting off this kind of creeping authoritarianism and i wonder if you think the democrats are aggressive enough, that they're doing enough. i'll ask you there's a huge debate about diane feinstein, the senator ill right now and the complications that elness has given rise to in term of democrats moving biden's nominees through the courts. do you think they've been aggressive enough given the state of affairwise the

republican party >> i think we're finally starting to learn how to be more aggressive and i think for too long democrats really looked for the shiny new thing at the top, who was the one person going to be our new hope we saw how much money democratic donors donated, $96 million to try and defeat mitch mcconnell when we were ignoring everything else that's changing and we have to recognize it's the entire infrastructure, it's your local courts, it's your state legislature, your state supreme court all the way on up. if dobbs did anything it showed how important the states are, that states are the front lines, and we've got to keep our attention here and not get distracted by ron desantis and donald trump and whatever is happening at the top

that's just going to be absolute madness for the next year. >> well, we're keeping on eye on what ron desantis is doing in the state of florida, although, you know, he's obviously a national player. there is a lot happening on the ground we appreciate your time, democratic michigan state senator mallory mcmorrow thanks for your wisdom and thoughts this evening. we have lots coming up including my pillow ceo mike lindell challenged one of his experts to prove a conspiracy theory wrong, and someone finally did it but first it is not just democrats that florida governor ron desantis is alienating in his cultural warfare we'll tell you who else he's alienating coming up next.

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>> you ain't seen nothing yet. that was governor ron desantis just seven weeks ago ambitiously quoting bachmann turner overdrive as the governor laid out his legislative priorities during his state of the state remarks. uain't seen nothing yet, baby. and yet many of the lawmakers in that very audience seem to be saying, actually, we've seen enough that is because since the start of its session the florida legislature has been moving in break neck speed on governor desantis' agenda pushing through very extreme stuff like a bill last week that bans abortions after six weeks of pregnancy and a bill today that allows a jury to recommend to death penalty without reaching a unanimous vote, that kind of stuff the big problem for governor desantis the same people he's depending onto get these bills to his desk, those same people are kind of over it. here's a headline from politico today deeply frustrated florida

legislatures worn-out by desantis they report part of the angst has been sparked by a grinding session where legislatures have pushed through bill after bill and chewed up hours of contentious debate that's considered integral to desantis' expected presidential campaign many republicans say they support many of desantis' priorities but have seen their own priority bills get slowed down to help him one recently told the legislature he was ready to resign out of frustration how the session was going. another privately said we're not the party of cancel culture, we can't keep doing this tit for tat. joining annoy national political reporter for "the new york times," and brandon buck, former top aide to republican speakers paul ryan and john boehner and msnbc political analyst. thank you both for being here. brenden, let me first start with you and how you see ron

desantis' movements over the last two months because the ambition is quite obvious. whether it'll be met with success at this point seems to be an open question. >> he's clearly bought into his own hype there are talks about how he's the new hot thing. ron desantis is an interesting character and i was around him a little bit when he was in the house. what we've seen from early reporting and i've seen personally is he does not connect with a lot of public people why does that matter and who cares about that but if you're going to be a successful presidential candidate you need to make people feel things you've seen recently a bunch of house republicans from florida including the one who represents the state, he usually represents congress are now endorsing donald trump that tells you they have seen him, they've been around him and they don't think he has it, and

a lot of it he's not that engaging and personable. >> he's also working them to the bone it sounds like. the fact the legislature are grinding through these bills which are politically toxic at the expense of their own priorities or ideologies privately held because a lot of them are speaking off-the-record here, that's telling, isn't it, in terms of executive management >> i think the unhappiness that exists is not a long-term problem for desantis the policies he's pushing through have really raised questions, though, and the abortion ban is at the top of the list he's framed his run for president is unelectable republican donald trump has lost, he saw losses in 2019 and 2021, 2022, and he talks about a culture of losing and so a lot of republicans want to say maybe ron desantis is the person, but he's come out on the

far right nationally on a top issue for the country and even undermining that case even among his donors saying, look, we're concerned you're taking a position during this this to help setup your run. >> the abortion thing is a real mystery. he goes forward with it and signs it, and we made a point of pointing out the time stamp on his announcement is 11:07 p.m. this is not something he's signing on fox news has he has with previous bills. why do it? he is a strategist he knows this is going to hurt him. why sign a bill he can't even talk about publicly? >> well, there's two stages to an election. there's the primary, the general, and first he's got to win the primary. abortion is an issue, even though donald trump appointed the justices to the supreme court who overturned roe v. wade privately he's expressed some misgivings where this is going

even if isn't going out there having a big press conference that can be used against him in a general election he's trying to at least appeal to these privately and say if you have to choose -- >> can i follow up on that because, yes, i get evangelicals are an important block in terms of winning over a conservative majority, but so are women and so are like the phantom soccer moms that don't support this the numbers among republicans on the question of reproductive freedom are not that mysterious. sure, evangelical would like a full outright ban, but a vast majority of republicans do not want this so why do it >> he's falling into a trap a lot of politicians do trying to have it both ways. he can't afford to lose anybody right now. he can't afford to write off anybody, and it's become a place in the republican party the six-week ban that's the new norm, that's the new standard.

he has to get through a primary and general election here's the problem, if you're going to run as the electability candidate you have to do things that are electable the other problem is i don't know that voters actually vote based on electability. they vote about people who make them feel something, as i say to get them excited donald trump gets them excited desantis is struggling to get them excited privately i guess communicating that to people is how you get it done, but right now he doesn't seem to have a line of attack on donald trump and that's one of his biggest problems >> yeah, to the question of what kind of politician he actually is, shane, cnn has some reporting about how the trump camps and desantis camps were winding up some of these endorsements cnn reports if the governor wants the endorsement, speaking of desantis, he should be picking up the phone and calling directly instead of having an aide do a reach out. you know who calls for the trump

endorsement, trump himself and that's how trump is landing all this stuff that could be something desantis could switch gears, but sounds like he has zero aptitude for the key part of politics which is even more important than winning over the evan squelicals and getting through the primary, but showing people you know how to be a politician, to sell your message and yourself, and he doesn't seem to have that genetic code, if you will. >> one of the challenges he faces trump is in this race and ron desantis isn't even technically a candidate. he made this session to build a portfolio and instead he's watching as donald trump is starting to pick-off one by one and having conversations and bringing them in, right? he's at literally a structural disadvantage in having these

conversations right now. these folks have to get ahead of him. it's a tough sell. >> why hasn't he announced he's running yet? >> he wants to focus on his job is that is actually one of the strengths he has is i run a state competently. when that stuff starts slipping away, he obviously got criticism for thought being there when there was flooding in the state. that's a whole other problem for him. so i think he wants to maintain focus on the state, get all that stuff before he runs >> pass the most conservative legislation as he can for the state that's not particularly popular and then use that set of credentials to say here we go, ron desantis 2024. i'm not in the business of predictions but this is starting to smack a bit like jeb with an exclamation point. >> let me give you the silver lining for him a couple months ago people were

looking at this as a two run race with two front runners. donald trump is the former president. he remains the most popular republican in the country, and so for desantis these struggles he's having they're sort of resetting expectations at a rate that matters which is fall and beginning of next year the up side for him is potentially he's going down at the right moment in the race >> that is generous. brendan, we're talking about keeping authoritarianism, the way in which trump in some ways represents an addc not just for the party but country. and i wonder if this is the true legacy, like ron desantis represents the legacy of trump, that all republicans after trump are going to be in this mold of conservative christ fighters, damn you all, you ain't seen nothing yet. i don't care what the national polls say, i'm here to get stuff done >> even if you lose, we don't

care what the issue is, as long as you're a fighter that's what we want. as long as we were seen fighting and donald trump saw that, and he was the perfect person for it it matters who your enemies are. >> i think that's the point, isn't it i would say it's different than just a fighter it's a fighter fighting for something that is absolutely distasteful to a vast number of americans and that's kind of the point, right >> they love the conflict, they love the fight, and if you're standing for those people who are perceived as being attacked by the elites, it's the victims -- >> or the majority really this is the group of people who don't represent the country and you're fighting for them as a point of pride, being on the fringes as the prize fighter is the quote-unquote winning position, do not get it politically. i'm going to keep saying it i don't get it you guys are going to come back and explain it to me sometime, i don't know thank you for your time. when we come back another

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in the summer after the 2020 election, pillow company ceo and conspiracy theorist mike lindell

claimed he had hard verifiable proof that not only was the election stolen but that it was somehow china that stole it, and he claimed he had the computer data to back all that up he was so confident in his claim he dared anyone to look at this data and prove him wrong he offered an incredibly specific and gigantic prize to anyone who could >> $5 million prize for anybody that can prove the election data that i have is false $5 million will be all of these guys, the cyber guys i don't care if it's media they can dig into all this data if they can prove this is not valid data from the 2020 election and i'm pulling my money where my mouth is, $5 million, why don't you prove it there so you can win $5 million.

>> not only mr. lindell's data not proof of a chinese hacking plot it turns out it wasn't 2020 election data. it was random pacts of code and ip addresses and strings of random number. so now mr. lindell has to pay $5 hillian. he has to put his money where his mouth is as he put it. turn out cyber forensic expert won the contest, and now a panel for the american arbitration association has ordered mr. lindell to pay up. he has 30 days to cough up the $5 million now, mike lindell told nbc news this ruling was a, quote, horrible wrong decision and that it is all going to end up in court. even if mr. lindell ends up on the hook here, it's unclear how much of a dent this is going to put in the pocketbook of someone who literally plasters my pillow ads on fox air waves all day every day, but it is notable

because it is accountability this is the first instance we are seeing of mike lindell finally actually facing accountability for his role in pushing the big lie. and it may not be the last time, either on tuesday fox news settled their defamation case with the dominion voting systems corporation for a whopping $787.5 million $787.5 million for their role in pushing the big lie. now, that probably isn't a crushing amount of money for a corporation the size of fox news, but i will bet you that number is daunting to someone like mike lindell because not only is mr. lindell also being sued for defamation by dominion for $1.3 billion, he is also being sued for defamation by another voting tech company, smartmatic, for an undisclosed but likely equally whoppingly large amount of money. for years now a constellation of conservative media outlets in

this country have been at best deluded and at worst lying but either case fomenting outrage in the results of the 2020 election it seems accountability may be finally catching up to them. must be hard to sleep at night, but mr. lindell has a great pillow still to come this evening when republicans in tennessee kicked two black democrats out of the statehouse, at least two of them were sitting on a very big and explosive secret that secret came out today we'll tell you all about also a member of donald trump's inner circle talked today to the special counsel investigating the former president, and this guy was in a position to know a whole lot much more on that coming up next (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst) flonase. all good.

at this point in time you are probably familiar with at least a few of donald trump's lawyers,evan corcoran, christina bob. but there's one lawyer in particular considered to be a the manager of the trump lawyers, the handler, the ceo of trump's legal team, if you will. his name is boris epshteyn epshteyn has also been a member of trump's inner circle for a while now dating back to the 2016 campaign. he worked in the trump white

house and now serves as a senior advisor to the 2024 campaign because of mr. epshteyn's dual role he's considered to have the most insight into decisions made by trump in two key federal investigations the first the inquiry into trump's attempt tuesday overturn the results of the 2020 election, and the second the mar-a-lago documents probe as a lawyer and senior counsel the ceo of the trump legal team, epshteyn is of great interest to special counsel jack smith especially because epshteyn himself is entangled in both those investigations back in 2020 he helped rudy giuliani spearhead the fake elector plot to help trump hold onto power, and he confirmed that much to my colleague, ari melber >> there's also been talks about an attempt to seat fraudulent electors >> i yes, i was part of the process to make sure there were

electors when we hope the seat of the electors would be heard and challenged and successful. a statement that said to the best of ms. bob's knowledge donald trump didn't have anymore classified documents left in his possession down at mar-a-lago. that statement turned out to be false. two months after she signed the document the fbi found another 100 or so highly sensitive government documents stored on the premises ms. bobb later told the justice reporters it was epshteyn. all of this is extremely relevant because today he was reportedly interviewed by special counsel prosecutors. we don't know what they talked about, whether he faces any legal jeopardy of his own in any of these cases, but we do know he had the option to say no, to

reject the invitation to be interviewed. so why didn't he joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and the co-host of "the sisters in law" podcast first, let's start it seems like both sides would like boris epshteyn to come and chat, right? on the one hand prosecutors have lots to talk to him aboutch what does epshteyn stand to gain here >> what he stands to gain is what he won't get, a subpoena. >> you think it's about avoiding the inevitable subpoena and not casing the joint as they say, getting a read into what federal prosecutors are interested in? >> well, i think that's fair to say. and look, he's represented by very sophisticated counsel, one of the lawyers who represent trump. i'm sure they'd like to get as

much information as they can get about where the focus of the special counsel currently is >> do you think -- he's rema remarkably intertwined but which do you think is potentially the more urgent line of questioning if you're a prosecutor and talking boris epshteyn >> right, so remarkably intertwined is exactly it. today he's with the campaign, he's overseen lawyers, and the interesting thing prosecutors are always looking for is what they don't know. >> right >> but given that incredibly radical host of connections there is still this just glaring point that prosecutors are focused on how did a false statement get made to doj? that's the obstruction -- >> at the heart of it, right >> -- of a classified documents case the important thing is if this is just a case about possession of classified documents there's

probably not a prosecution it's the obstruction that elevates it. and boris epshteyn is so central to that, we don't know, for instance, what christina bobb said about her interactions with him or evan cochran. it's very clear there's something prosecutors are very interested in there. >> do you -- i think for a while we've been looking at the sort of tier of witness that the special prosecutor has been talking to and once the special prosecutor was able to pierce attorney-client privilege in terms of the conversations between donald trump and evan cochran, his lawyer on mar-a-lago, i think a lot of folks said this investigation is nearing its conclusion, that's the guy who knows everything as it turns out the guy behind the guy in mar-a-lago is really boris epshteyn he's at the center of this spider's web, if you would >> well, he is and what you want do is go all

the way to the top, you want to find the person the most culpable and so something that could happen and we just don't know because we don't know if prosecutors have a strong case on epshteyn, but if it is a strong case it's possible they sat him down and said this is a moment, do you want to be a defendant or do you want to be a witness. >> that's the sophy's choice for any advisor in trump land. do you think his visit shall we say today indicates anything about the timing on the mar-a-lago investigation if in fact that's what he's being called in there for? >> i think it doesn't because we dont know what happens in this visit. was it a roadblock for this counsel, they do look like they're the end, but that end stage can take a lot >> what we do know is epshteyn is still offering his advice i think a lot of these lawyers still have these daily or weekly

meetings with trump where they offer counsel and advice i'm not a lawyer but that seems like a very suspect dual role to play to be counsel and witness in an ongoing investigation. >> you know, it's very perplexing where there's a clear line, right, you can't be a codefendant, this nebulous status of possibly being a witness and being the lawyer is something if you're with a law firm it probably makes your malpractice carrier very nervous, right there may be some folks who may ultimately stop representing trump. but being the most unfortunate defendant i've ever seen in turps of people not being willing to cooperate against him. these lawyers here at the end of the world, they are very lawyer to him >> i would imagine it also exposes trump because if he's talking to potential witnesses

he could then be guilty with tampering with witness testimony, which is another form of obstruction, right? >> right there are a lot of things we just don't know here there's always been the suspicion there's witness tampering going on it's something trump has done in the past it's possible it's happening here the interesting thing to me is we don't really know what jack smith's case looks like, but he seems very focused it looks like he has a case. >> and he's very focused on the lawyers. joyce vance, it's a pleasure to see you. thank you for your wisdom this evening. we have one more story tonight about what republican politician in tennessee got away with until the media caught up with him that is coming up next [tires pop] dang it. that's some bad luck brian. and i think i'm late on my car insurance. good thing the general gives you a break when you need it. yeah, with flexible payment options to keep you covered. so today is your lucky... oh!

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remember two weeks agewhen two democrats in the tennessee statehouse were expelled from office for participating in a gun safety protest in the capitol, republicans were deeply offended saying the two democrats violated rules of decorum. the vice chair of the house republican caucus went out of his way to say such an offense would be considered contempt of court if the house floor was in fact a courtroom fast forward to today when a local television investigative reporter phil williams of the local cbs station -- phil williams was the first to reveal that the same vice chair republican scotty campbell was recently found guilty by an

ethics subcommittee of violating house rules against harassment and discrimination in the workplace. according to that local reporting the republican's victim, an intern, said scotty campbell would consistently harass the intern for information about her sex life the intern said mr. campbell allegedly told her he fantasized about her and another intern in lewd acts. she also claims he grabbed her around her neck making her recoil and feel sick this situation escalated to a degree that the intern says she had to move out of the building where both she and the republican had apartments in order to feel safe again when confronted about these allegations by our local reporter republican scotty campbell claimed that the behavior in question consisted of, quote, consensual adult conversations. the ethics subcommittee determined otherwise in a letter to the speaker of the tennessee statehouse the

committee concluded the ethics subcommittee finds representative campbell violated the policy against workplace discrimination and harassment. now, take a good look at the date of the top. you can see right there march 29, 2023 that means when lawmakers voted to oust two democrats on april 6th it was well-known at least to the speaker of the tennessee statehouse that a republican also violated some pretty serious house rules, and yet the republican faced zero public consequences until today when he was asked about it publicly. representative scotty campbell tendered his resignation today that does it for us. we will see you again tomorrow "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next look, i think there's very few people who show themselves as potential candidates in the party who can go there and

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