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have access to an abortion pill. this hour, president biden will announce he is running for a second term as early as next tuesday. the anniversary of his 2020 announcement will that set up a rematch with donald trump and as we celebrate earth day tomorrow, i'll be joined by white house special presidential envoy john kerry as the u.n. secretary-general criticizes the biden administration's progress in reducing greenhouse gases enough to avoid a disastrous outcome for the world. good day, everyone i'm andrea mitchell in washington where the clock is winding down on that supreme court's midnight deadline tonight to announce what he's going to do about controversial lower court rulings that would severely limit access to the most widely used abortion pill the justices have been meeting in their regularly scheduled

friday morning conference where the issue is expected to come up a decision could be posted at any moment options include the court could grant a full stay sending it back to appeals court and nothing would change the pill would still be on the market the court could deny the administration's request for a stay in full or in part and the request would go back to the appeals court with some restrictions on the pill still in play. or the court could grant the stay and agree to hear the stay. nothing would change for now joining us now, former u.s. attorney, barbara mccray and law professor that you are, barbara, talk to us about the options the court could take what do you think is going on behind the scenes? they keep delaying, delaying, announcing a decision, is someone working on a dissent or are they, you know -- what are they doing is there any way to tell >> it is difficult to know,

andrea, what is going on i would have thought the most likely outcome would be a quick stay and then allow the case to proceed through the courts it could mean something very good that is taking this long or it could mean something very long that it's taking this long. i would say, as you describe, what seems most likely to me is there's some sort of stay as it works through the lower court. the very good option, at least from my perspective, would be an outright dismissal of the case the court could say these doctors lack standings to bring this case all together the judge in amarillo, texas, ignored the ordinary standard rules that required someone to suffer an actual injury in fact with these doctors that would be the case is over and the case is dismissed. i think a different scenario could be one where the court says, we're going to let this play out and we are going to say there will be no stay, the drug would be unavailable during the

pendency of the case that, i think, would be the worst case scenario. one other scenario, other than the ones you just described, is the court just takes it up and decide to fast-track the case and hear it on its merits. that seems less likely to me, but all of those possibilities are in play. i think the delay suggests to me that there is not unanimous agreement among the justices, that's why it's taking a while to work out exactly what they want to do with this. >> and let me just suggest one other that could happen. they could decide they're going to hear it on its merits but its docket is so full, they're way behind, historically behind according to our reporting and other people's reporting, and we don't know why, and put it on the fall docket. it's a major case. hear it in the fall. possible, barbara? >> it is possible. one would hope that if that is the case, that there would be a stay in the meantime usually what a stay means is to preserve the status quo, which would mean we keep the fda's approval in place. the only thing that concerns me

about this particular court is that when texas passed that he heart beat abortion law before the dobbs decision, instead of saying we preserve the status quo of roe, they did not enter a stay in that case. that suggested to me that roe was in trouble and a somewhat curious way to approach the case so, i think this court has become a little less predictable than has been historically >> and this is such a divisive issue and so charged already for the 2024 campaign. we know most americans believe there should be some rights to abortion, and that is the prevailing view but it's not the prevailing view within the republican primary for sure. you can see potential candidates, many of them competing, you know, certainly ron desantis, potential candidates competing to see how tough they can be on abortion. >> certainly the politics of the court have

long been an issue and long been a focus. now you have after roe v. wade, this real feeling among people that i've talked to, both republicans and democrats, that say this court could be out of step of what the majority of americans want as you said, the majority of americans want access, that could mean for rape and incest, you could want it with a cutoff, but you don't want what the supreme court has done that being said, there's ethical questions starting to arise. i want to point people to a poll that was just out. the poll says, was the fifth circuit abortion decision motivated by politics? we saw 51% of americans say yes and only 28% say no. so, that really shows you that people are questioning whether or not this is a court that is being motivated by politics. i also think when you think about the possible consequences of this bill being curtailed, you're talking about years and years on the market, first of all, more than 20 years on the market, even though what the supreme court is looking at is whether or not to curtail the more recent changes meaning you

can get it by mail, you can get it past seven weeks of pregnancicy, you can get the generic version. apart of what's going on with the court, you have the politics of this. kamala harris, vice president kamala harris has come out, a fierce defender. she was on jennifer hudson's show this week saying this is a real issue and reproductive health care is really being pushed back, the progress that's being made then you have republicans who are continuing to take steps to curtail abortion because they see this as a winning issue, especially in the primary where extreme views can be the ones that win. >> in fact, in answer to a que question, pro-life groups criticized donald trump for not being pro-life enough. i don't even use the phrase pro-life because i think it's very weighted. but, you know, abortion opponents, i should say. abortion opponents felt donald trump was not enough in their camp, even though he had been

that way and was very proud of appointing three anti-abortion justices to the court. and turning the tide as far as overturning roe v. wade because he had previously his whole life up until the time he was running for president been in favor of choice. >> that's the interesting thing. republicans got this huge win with overturning roe v. wade, but then the messaging was, wait, did we go too far? you had someone like former president trump say it is going to hurt republicans overall. democrats are seizing on this and galvanizing, motivated by this issue. >> as it already did in the midterm. they certainly believe barbara, i know you'll be standing by in case there's any action momentarily, possibly, during this hour we'll all be watching. thank you very much. joe biden getting set to make his 2024 re-election bid official everything we know about his plans when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds only on nbmsc. in an app driven, multi-cloud world.

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after months of speculation, it's official, president biden is going to announce as soon as next tuesday, according to all of our reporting, multiple sources by our white house team, that the anniversary date when he announced in 2020 will be the date, possibly the earliest on tuesday, that he is running for a second term. in any case, certainly next week he's been strongly hinting at this for months. the online announcement potentially setting up a rematch of biden versus trump. and polls are showing that, of course, donald trump is currently far ahead of his republican challengers joining us now, nbc news chief white house correspondent, peter alexander. last week when you were there, the president saying his trip reinforced his sense of optimism on getting more done in terms of what he hoped to accomplish. >> reporter: based on conversations my colleagues and i had at the white house, that was the impression of those

traveling alongside the president. it was an opportunity to revisit his roots and wanted to restore his faith in the value of public service and making a difference going forward. one of the notable -- a lot of sentimentality and energy, on the final day when a president was visiting a catholic shrine, and he ran into a catholic priest who gave beau biden's last rites that was really moving to president biden. so, i think that may have had some impact on him we do expect that announcement to come, again as you noted, as early as tuesday in the form of a video campaign message, four years to the day if it happens on tuesday after the video campaign message that launched his campaign in 2019

conversations i've been having, it seems increasingly like the president's focus and the message in the months going forward will be on this idea to restore the soul of america, really reinforcing what was his initial message when it came to power, focusing on the freedoms that americans -- he says americans deserve and he's focused on continuing to provide them going forward a little bit of the themes i don't think we'll see president biden, from my understanding in conversations, traveling all over the road with a ton of campaign events they want to use the power of the pulpit, the bully pulpit, focusing on events, including one that will take place in the rose garden today. next tuesday he'll be working at union workers, a way to amplify his messaging and the difference he hopes to make >> peter alexander, all over the story, thank you so much of course, we'll be watching peter tomorrow on "saturday today" with kristen welker and sunday night on "nightly news," right? >> absolutely. thanks. >> joining me now is former ohio governor, john kasich, also a

former presidential candidate and a former member of congress. governor, great to see you what do you think, another biden/trump rematch. >> it's kind of hard -- it's hard to believe, andrea, that that could be the situation. but, you know, it might be, but we have a loaning way to go, on the democratic side, unless some catastrophe happens. we know we have bobby kennedy jr. running and he's getting a little bit of support because i think it's an age factor there doesn't seem to be great enthusiasm for biden but it's his for the taking and he'll be the nominee on the republican side there's a long, long way to figure out that nominee it's conceivable it could be biden/trump but i don't believe donald trump would ever be president again. too many people made up their minds about him. >> there's a new "wall street journal" poll indicating, first

of all, that biden would beat trump in a match-up by three points, but that trump is right now ahead of desantis in the hypothetical contest by big margins, 51% to 38%. that's a pretty big -- >> long way to go. long way to go, andrea you know, desantis hasn't even announced yet. he'll get a bump if he announces. as we've always said, you have to be a candidate, have you to have the money i think he has the money you have to have the ideas i sort of wonder about where his ideas are. you have to have the magic if you don't have the magic, you've covered politics forever, you know, you can see them when they walk in a room or she walks in a room, you see they carry something in there special. the question is, does he have that, could he haveit? let's not write the rest of the field off yet. anything can happen. the media can look at somebody and all of a sudden build them up and the next thing you know, they're competitive.

but you need those three things. idea, money and a little bit of magic. on the biden side, i think what joe biden needs to do, you know, andrea, the issue is always going to be age for someone older like that. just because you're older doesn't mean you don't have cool, exciting new ideas the key is for biden to have his own agenda, an agenda of what he wants. not what a bunch of pollsters or people around him tell him, a lot of political people around him, but what's in your heart? what do you really feel, what do you really think, and can those ideas be exciting enough to capture attention, including of young people just because you're older doesn't mean you can't -- you don't have the energy of ideas to give people hope and to let them think that we have a leader that can let them be leaders themselves >> that's a really important point. but i do think you have to have a message -- i love what you just said of new ideas because, you know, finish the job is not a good enough bumper sticker, i don't think.

>> think about that, andrea. >> it reminds me of, it just occurs to me i remember watching george herbert walker bush in -- june of 1992 at a white house press conference and he was asked why he wanted to run for a second term we knew he would be running after the california primary a younger generation, bill clinton. that was a big generational change he said, you know, funny you ask me that. bar and i were just talking about that this morning at breakfast and i guess it's because i have more to do. it was not the energetic, i've got this idea and that idea. so, well, it's just a fair warning. >> you remember your colleague that asked teddy kennedy why he wanted to be president, right? you remember that ividly and kennedy didn't have a good answer it was like -- he was dead in the water when he said that.

and so, you have to be able to paint a vision and i think bill clinton is a good example of that you remember, he and gore throwing that football back and forth. that talked about the new generation, but he got people somehow to see that they could see over the mountain top. that's what he was able to do. same with reagan, right? you could kind of see over the mountain top so, it gave people hope. biden can't just say, finish the job. sounds like a commercial for restaurant you know, i just want to finish eating it doesn't work. he has to get -- like what he did in ireland, i didn't see much about it, but it apparently painted a picture of hope and destiny. >> exactly. >> that's good that's what he needs to do here if he's going to be successful. >> turned out, 24,000 people or something at a big event. >> pretty amazing. >> yeah, reagan, it's morning in america and the shining city on the hill. >> yeah. >> and that was roger mudd with teddy kennedy. the great, late roger mudd

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♪ >> reporter: in the choppy, icy waters of the north sea, the periscope from a russian submarine. it breaks open a russian officer as vladimir putin's navy shows the flag just 60 miles off the coast of norway if the european economy has an achilles heel, it is here, in the vast gas and oil fields that help keep european and british homes warm during the winter in april 2023 scandinavian reporters went out on the water to capture these images of an alleged russian spy ship >> two men staring at us wow, they're looking at us this is really a strange situation. almost a tense situation

they're looking at us. >> reporter: norwegian navy commander. >> and an unusual interest in your gas and pipelines. >> definitely. they're around this area more than once. they go back and forth they're following the pipelines. they have suspicious activity. >> suspicious activity, a consortium of investigative reporters have joined forces and they are reporting this effort we saw firsthand is part of an effort to plan out sabotage in the event of war with nato to cut the economic life line and the stakes could not be higher this is pretty serious what we captured and what the danish tv crew captured, very dramatic. >> great reporting, tom. you and your colleagues. we look forward to it. i'll be watching it later today. thank you very much. tom costello you can watch tom's nbc news now

"subhunt: nato patrol for russian subs" on demand and on youtube. meanwhile, treasury secretary janet yellen is leading the effort by the administration to repair a broken diplomatic relationship with china, saying thursday the u.s. and china need to find a way to live together during a speech here in washington. china's president xi jinping seems unwilling to make amends, though meeting with vladimir putin in moscow and with brazil's president this week and courting europe with a very willing president macron, we should say, of france, and not scheduling even a call with president biden or visit by secretary blinken. joining me is richard hawes, the author of "the bill of obligation," a great read. what do you make of president xi's recent diplomacy where he's, according to a lot of my sources, u.s. and european sources, he seems to have decided, i don't need america, even for things we should be working on

i'll go with the global south, i'll go with europe and work around the u.s. for now. >> well, i think in the long run he needs to work with the united states, but in the short and medium run he may decide not so much that he doesn't, but this is a way of gaining leverage builds prestige, what he was able to do in the middle east with iran and saudi arabia his handling of the french president. what he's basically trying to do, i think, is build up his prestige, show he has alternatives to the united states and also demonstrate some of the weaknesses in the u.s. relations with some of our partners there are certain things that can only involve the united states, obviously, issues that are central to china such as taiwan i think it's more a question of when and if the united states and china resume a high-level diplomatic dialogue. >> should president biden, secretary blinken be pushing harder to try to restore

channels we're saying, please, please, call us back, reschedule a trip. there are no contacts, not even military-to-military. >> the lack of high level you mentioned is worrisome because if there ever were to be an incident, crisis communications or communications to avoid a crisis become highly important that concerns everybody. i don't think we ought to be running after china. i think we ought to articulate, as the treasury secretary did yesterday, some of the principles of our relationship, making clear we do not seek economic decoupling which is neither viable or desirable. i think we should stop talking about china is our enemy, if our goal is to stop or slow chinese economic growth. we should probably also not be talking about how we want to transform china at all what we ought to be doing is laying out some of the principles of a limited working relationship with china. and at some point, the chinese

will see it in their interest to come back and talk to us >> turning to ukraine, i want to read an excerpt from your latest foreign affairs article saying that the war effort has to move forward. you write, the best path forward is a sequenced two-pronged strategy aimed at first bolstering ukraine's military capability and then when the fighting season winds down later this year, ushering moscow and kyiv from the battlefield to the negotiating table, even if russia and ukraine take significant losses one or more may prefer fighting but as the costs mount and a stalemate looms, it's worth pressing for a truce, one that could set the stage for a lasting peace. so, richard, the argument for the administration is now it would be to putin's advantage and he is not offering anything to talk about. he's not shown being willing to negotiate. we have to let ukraine gain more advantage in a spring offensive.

>> well, again, we make clear in the piece we ought to be arming ukraine, abrams tanks, advanced aircraft will be going ukraine will do better on the battlefield, which would put them in a better position to negotiate, or they won't, which would show in some ways it's not a realistic or viable strategy to think one or two or three more fighting seasons will help. russia potentially can get help from china and other countries like north korea or iran in the meantime, ukraine is paying a terrible human and economic price quite honestly, i worry about the european staying power we're saying, let's go with the current strategy a bit longer, but we should be prepared for the possibility, i would argue probability, that ukraine will not be able to dominate the battlefield. and then what? then i think we need to begin to sequence to a diplomatic strategy as well

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u.s. criticizing the u.s. and other world leaders during the white house summit yesterday, charging expanded oil and gas drilling from rich countries amounts to a death sentence. is that a fair criticism >> i think it's not entirely fair for the simple reason that much of the current efforts to guarantee that the demand for oil and gas is being met, is to keep some equilibrium in the economies of the world and to avoid huge price hikes, the kind of inflation that we've been through over the course of the last months. i think the president is very focused on an even-handed approach to this, but he has been very clear -- we're going to meet our goals. we have a seven-year period now to meet the 2030 goals, and a lot is happening in the united states the president has directed major

measures with respect to the emissions from trucks, from vehicles he set very strong targets for zero emission vehicles to be deployed throughout the world, frankly, but here in the united states he has said 50% of all the vehicles we're selling by 2030 are going to be zero emission vehicles. that's powerful. and it's taking hold because where california and other large states set goals that are very strong with respect to this transition, really the whole marketplace follows that so, it's going to have a profound impact. and i think we're seeing it already. the inflation reduction act that the president succeeded in getting passed in congress has had dramatic impact on everybody's thinking around the world. and it is having dramatic impact on our economy it's creating jobs, it's seeing new companies start up, boom, just, you know, all of a sudden

recognizing that there's going to be support for them so, i think that we are on the right track as long as the emissions begin to be abated they begin to be captured. and that is the key for the oil and gas industry there's no free pass here. it is imperative that we meet our goals and that will require capturing emissions, which are the real problem, the real economy. >> well, let me just backtrack a bit to meeting the goals, which, you know, you say that we're doing. and obviously inflation has been a major factor. >> we're not doing it yet. >> that's what -- i just want to get to that point. inflation, the war that caused -- or contributed a great deal to the inflation and the pandemic and everything else but the climate action tracker projects that the u.s. is going to be far short of the administration's promise in line with the paris agreement i know that president trump got out of that, to reduce emissions

by half by 2030 with current domestic policies likely to only bring emissions down by 26% to 4 %, not 150%. if that doesn't change, won't that push the world past that 1.5 degree celsius limit because that's catastrophic. >> the answer is, no, because that doesn't tell the full story. everyone knows the inflation reduction act on the table represent 41% to 42% reduction in emissions that is accurate but there are already programs being initiated, which i just cited, where the president by executive order is initiating steps through the epa and otherwise that make up the difference to the 50% to 52% so, we believe very strongly that we will meet the goals, even though right now the whole world is not meeting the goal.

we're currently headed towards about 2.5 degrees, not keeping the temperature of the planet rising at the 1.5 limit. and even if we did everything that has been promised in glasgow and in sharm el sheikh, the meeting of the two, we would still be at 1.7 or 1.8 degrees of warming that's not acceptable. so, we are pushing extremely hard to accelerate on every single front i would say to you, andrea, that, you know be, frankly, i'm surprised pleasantly on the positive side by the amount of things that's just taking hold we see remarkable progress on batteries and battery storage. we're seeing the price of wind and solar coming down still, even as the technology is getting better and it's going to be far more price competitive than oil and gas if they have to spend huge

amounts of money for carbon capture and storage and utilization. we don't know the answer to some of those questions now the marketplace is chasing solutions, but that is creating jobs, it's creating economic opportunity, and it's also producing some changes that are happening, like electric vehicles, much faster than we anticipated. >> you know, you know that very well i've been learning from you and studying that. the marketplace is really changing the whole energy industry there's no question. but in terms of administration actions, let me just drill down on one thing here because president biden opened the summit yesterday by announcing $1 billion in new climate money for developing nations from the u.s., but that's well short of $3 billion that president biden had promised and the $11 billion annually that president biden proposed two years ago it's not been budgeted you have joe manchin out there there are a lot of problems out there. >> there are problems in terms

of congressional allocation of funds for this extraordinary challenge for the planet and that's why the victory of getting the inflation reduction act, which some members of congress are now trying to undo, frankly, inxrensably when you look at the challenge. let me just say, we've had over 18 $1 billion climate events in the united states alone. if people can't read the tea leaves of what is happening, because the ocean is warming 90% of the heating of the planet goes into the ocean. that produces an increase of the moisture that rises and goes into the atmosphere and then falls in these torrential flooding rain storms that we've seen and it increasing the intensity. the heat gradient changes the wind and wind velocities we're seeing things happen that

really were the stuff of fiction as recently as, what, ten years ago, five years ago, but now no longer and i think farmers in the midwest are seeing this in their crops and their farms. you see people who cull the forests, timber, so forth, it's burning at remarkable rates. president biden pointed out yesterday he's flown over areas the size of maryland that are burned to a crisp. we need to learn the lessons that mother nation is teaching us and screaming at us about this is about mathematic, science and physics. there's no politics, no ideology, no liberal conservative, no democrat, republic this is about facts, scientific facts that dictate that if we don't respond in the way the science has called on us to, we will pay even more for damages, we'll add millions of climate refugees around the world. the water that we saw dried up in lake mead and lake powell

last year in the rhine and rivers, that will get worse. we're responding responsibly the president of the united states is doing what's necessary to protect the health and safety and security of our nation and, in fact, nations around the world. we're going to continue to do that with pride and hopefully with enough implementation in order to meet the standards. >> mr. secretary, let's take a brief, very brief break. we'll squeeze in just this break. we have a lot more questions for you. stay right here on "andreamy mitchell reports." our experts. get started today with verizon business. it's your business. it's your verizon. you need to deliver new apps fast using the services you want in the clouds of your choice.

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you said you had a good meeting with your chinese counterpart last week, but overall president xi has clearly decided, for now, not to work with the u.s he's still refusing to reschedule secretary blinken, he hasn't had a call with president biden. in a military-to-military context, you know how important that is. relations with china are at an all-time low how can we achieve our climate goals without having beijing working with us? >> we can't. it's that simple, we can't there's no way that any one country can solve this crisis, and particularly if we are large emitting nations, we are the world's largest economy by far $23 trillion economy plus the nearest is china at about $17 trillion and then you go down into single digits so, it is imperative that china and the united states find a way to cooperate with respect to the

climate crisis now, originally when president biden first talked to president xi, they both agreed that we were going to keep the climate issue separate because it's not a bilateral issue. it's a universal threat to the world. and all of us have a stake in taking steps to address it so for a period of time, that appears to work. they agreed they would separate it from the many other issues. let me just say to you, i'm not glossing over any issue whatsoever that we have with china. there are real issues, serious ones and a whole bunch of them. but climate has -- we don't -- we have a clock that's ticking on climate more immediately. we have an imperative to move. i just had a conversation with my counterpart a week ago. it's the first time we've been able to talk in over a month or so because he was sick and now feeling much better and doing better and we're glad for that. he's an experienced, knowledgeable interlocutor

he extended to me an invitation from the chinese leadership to visit china, to come and sit down, pick up our conversation from where we were a few months ago, but that was interrupted by the events over taiwan, and so sometimes things have just crept in and gotten in the way my hope is, because it's imperative for the planet, that china, the largest emitter in the world with 30% of all emissions, help work with the united states. and it's not a question of u.s. giving away something. it's a question of all of us getting something together by cooperating. we can accelerate the transition we can reduce the emissions. particularly particularly since china does have coal, it is critical that the phase-out from that coal accelerate and that the emissions be captured. everybody understands that in

the world, that the emissions are the problem. it's the way we burn our fuel. it's the way we heat our homes it's the way we move our vehicles, and so we have to change propulsion. that's what's happening with electric vehicles. that's what's happening in heavy industries, steel, shipping, other things these folks are moving ceos of companies around the world are moving, and so i think china and the united states could conceivably make some progress that is mutual without us, anybody losing any advantage in the process, but we can't get to our goals globally without every country being part of this i mean, every country that is a major emitter. yesterday president biden hosted the 20 major economies of the world, and all of them spoke up with commitments to the things they're doing. it's just that we're not all of us doing enough and we're not doing enough fast enough >> let me ask you about this,

the biden administration green lit the $8 billion willow project for alaska's north slope. now, conservation groups are calling it a carbon boem bomb. the biden administration has approved more applications for drilling on federal land than the trump administration has at this point they were already permanent, so those decisions had been made and i'm not sure legally he could have turned them back, but isn't he going back against that pledge to move away from fossil fuels? >> no, because first of ll, th president with respect to the willow project faced a situation where a company has bought legitimately leases ten years or more ago those leases were ratified they were legal, contractual, and they had a right to go ahead. now, what they're going to do isn't going to happen for some will peri period of time it doesn't happen that fast. in the meantime, more and more

electric vehicles come online. as the electric vehicles come online, demand for gasoline is going to go down and oil use is going to go down, and i think what you're going to see is a transformation here happening a lot faster than people imagine that's what we're seeing now things are happening faster, and what i think the predictors are not able to tap into is the unexpected sort of exponential not quite moore's law on the progress and rate of it, because energy doesn't lend itself to the same thing, but we are moving faster. i think the market's going to change what is in willow is minuscule compared to the overall demand challenge that we face, and the key here is to move faster in changing demand and changing supply and in bringing online the new technologies that can scale up and make the difference that's how we win this battle. >> well, just looking at your

schedule, john kerry, mr. secretary, thank you very much to learn more about john kerry's weekend routine when he's not in an airplane, watch "inside with jen psaki" this weekend where jen will with joined by congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. and the hunter biden investigation, new details emerging on the investigation into the president's son and the criminal charges prosecutors have considered. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

new details on an allegation from a potential whistle-blower that president biden's son hunter is getting preferential treatment in the ongoing criminal investigation against

him. an irs special agent sent a letter to congress asking for whistle-blower protection for his work in, quote, a high profile case his attorney will not confirm which one, but a source familiar with the matter says it is the hunter biden investigation nbc's hallie jackson spoke to the whistle-blower's attorney. >> he's somebody who would really regret if he just stayed silent and did nothing and so he doesn't want to live his life that way. >> why should people believe that your client is not motivated by political considerations in coming forward here >> in terms of credibility, he's willing to be cross examined he's willing to be tested. he has documents that support some of the assertions he wants to make. >> in a statement, hunter biden's attorney is saying it appears this irs agent has committed a crime by sharing private tax information and had denied my client protections that are his right nbc news has learned that federal prosecutors have at least considered the three tax

crimes charges and a charge related to a gun purchase. according to two sources familiar with the matter and joining me now is chuck rosenberg, msnbc legal analyst, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official so what should we make of these accusations from the whistle-blower and the claims from his attorney? >> well, right now, andrea, they're just accusations look, some whistle-blowers are virtuous let's assume this gentleman is, and among virtuous whistle-blowers, some are right and some are wrong what this may devolve to is a disagreement over perhaps how the case ought to be charged or when it ought to be charged, what charges ought to be brought. so i wouldn't make too much of it at this point let's assume virtue, and let's find out whether or not this whistle-blower is, in fact, correct. we're simply-- or simply seeings that aren't there.

>> how confident are you they're going to steer clear of politics as he does his work in delaware? >> i'm biased, andrea, and i come from the department of justice. i spent my professional career there. so i believe that it acts generally in the right way for the right reason, and remember, too, put aside the political appointees of the department of justice. there's a very, very thin political layer in the u.s. attorney's office and at the fbi and for a good reason. so you have career people, career agents, career prosecutors making the most important decisions at the department of justice. assuming that's the model and that it's in place, i have a lot of confidence in the department of justice >> what about the potential charges facing hunter biden, three tax crime charges and a related gun purchase charge, this is all, you know, hypothetical at this point he -- we know he's paid -- he's repaid a tax liability that he had, but repaying it does not absolve the potential of some

kind of criminal action. >> that's exactly right, nor does returning money to a bank it doesn't absolve you of criminal liability that said, i started as a criminal tax prosecutor, and those are hard cases, and it turns on intent, proving that someone intentionally made a false statement on a tax return, hid income, evaded taxes as opposed to, you know, a rounding error, something that would give rise to civil ligability, but nt criminal liability that might be where the problem lies here, perhaps that the whistle-blower is an irs investigator who sees the case differently than prosecutors do. you know what, andrea, it happens 100 times a day in u.s. attorney's offices around the country. so again, i'm assuming good motive, but that doesn't mean the whistle-blower is right. we need more facts to make that determination. >> chuck rosenberg, thank you so much we needed your expertise on this, very controversial obviously in a highly politicized season

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