thank you. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports. remember to follow us online on facebook and twi twitwitter @mitchell reports. have a wonderful weekend, happy earth day tomorrow "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. president biden about to launch into a 500-day political sprint to stay in the white house his chief opponents doubling down on some of the most divisive issues of the day including abortion >> we are the pro-life, pro-woman, pro-family party, and we can win on abortion, but that means putting democrats on the defense and forcing them to own their own extreme positions. [ applause ] they're out of the mainstream. >> but any political strategy around abortion may get flipped

on its head all over again as the supreme court could ban mifepristone literally any minute what that could mean for the personal lives of millions of women and the political direction of this country. and where advocates for new gun laws in washington, d.c., have failed, washington state is poised to succeed. the governor there set to sign a bill banning dozens of semiautomatic weapons including ar-15s that governor, jay inslee will join me live in a few minutes to explain how he did it and whether he has any advice for the white house as the president tries to follow suit but we start with the 2424 campaign, entering a new and defining phase as nbc news learns that president joe biden will officially announce his re-election campaign next week, both parties have reason to be nervous about what the polls and the public are telling them. for the president, he will get in officially, while his approval rating is near its all-time low, just 39%

but that same poll showed a plurality believe the economy is the number one issue, and it's clear that that is where joe biden intends to focus his energy >> one of the reasons i ran for president is to rebuild the backbone, the backbone of this country, the middle class. to grow the economy from the middle sout and the bottom up, not from the top down. when the middle class does well, the poor have a ladder up and the wealthy do well. that's a clear contrast from my friends of the other side of the aisle. it didn't used to, but it is now. >> on the other side, ronna mcdaniel laid out her party's challenges insisting that they need to be a big tent party, without explaining how to do it or how hard line positions like abortion would win over voters the stage is set for parties to show voters a really stark contrast as they define from very different perspectives what america stands for and where

it's headed next i want to bring in nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli jake sherman is cofounder of "punchbowl news" and an msnbc political contributor, and alength ya johnson served as senior adviser to president biden's 2020 campaign. mike, you helped break this story. talk about the timing and what do you think the campaign is going to look like >> chris, president biden has been saying for months really since just after the midterm elections that he intended to run for re-election, and now he and his team are getting ready to make that official, perhaps as soon as next week what's interesting is this timing because for months i've heard from biden advisers, and they said really the timing was fluid. they've always had april 25th, next tuesday sort of as a working target why that date? because that's the exact date four years ago when then candidate biden launched his candidacy in the 2020 campaign what's similar to what we saw in 2019 is we expect this announcement to take the form of

a digital announcement laying out his vision for a second term what's going to be different about four years ago is the president is now the president he's not going to launch the kind of barn storming tour we saw of the early states. the fact that the president has no major challenger for the democratic nomination is one reason biden advisers considered waiting longer for him to make this official. we are going to see the president largely spending the rest of this year doing what incumbent presidents typically do, using that sort of rose garden strategy. he'll continue to travel the country with official events laying out the accomplishments he believes he's racked up in office and save the real campaigning until next year after the republican nomination battle is settled. we to expect to see the president, though, next week on tuesday, a significant event he's going to be speaking at a major union conference here in washington biden likes to say that the middle class as you heard in that clip is the backbone of america and that unions built the middle class unions are the backbone of president biden's political support. it's a notable appearance for him on a significant day next

week. >> i was there in pennsylvania the last place he stopped on the way to waiting for the election results this last time around was an election hall alencia, as mike points out this president has no serious primary competition. you could argue in many ways he's running against himself or running on his record. here's what a cnbc survey found, economic pessimism is at an all-time high, 69% it found two-thirds of americans say their wages are being overtaken by inflation two-thirds believe we're headed for a recession or already in one. how do you turn that into a winning campaign message >> listen, i get it. i hear it from people in my life as well that they're feeling the pain, but even before this announcement you see president biden and his administration out here talking about the inflation reduction act that seems like it was passed so long ago, but now as we know policy takes a while to get to everyday people. people are hopefully starting to feel it, starting to see that the president's policies are benefitting them you saw him earlier this week,

he was talking to a labor union while mccarthy and the gop were talking to wall street leaders and i think what you're going to see is the president continue to talk about his achievements, give me some time. he always says watch me work, watch this work for you, and so we'll see that going into when -- >> is it a waiting game for him, depend on the economy doing what he believes these moves will do and people starting to feel it >> i think it's a both and, right? economy aside, there are a lot of issues that democratic voters, the rising majority of this country, more than democratic voters are caring about. it's the abortion access which you talked about at the beginning of the show. it's the gun control it's immigration, so many issues that they see the republicans being on the wrong side of, and the biden administration, president biden and the people that he has around him, they are on the right side of this issue. we're going to talk about the economy, but also these other issues that are threatening our democracy. >> and in fact, jake, the other hallmark of the president's

recent economic speeches, he never misses an opportunity. let's call it name dropping the other side take a listen. >> this ain't your father's republican party this is what i call the maga republicans. the minority of the party, i call the maga republicans, control the party. >> unfortunately extreme maga republicans, not all, but extreme maga republicans are threatening to undo all this progress. >> folks, you've got to ask yourself, what are maga republicans in congress doing. >> contextualize that for us, jake, how important is it for this president to keep hammering that contrast between what he stands for and what the other side does. >> it's clearly they think it's effective because chuck schumer also sings from the same song sheet, and i think it's, you know, tieing anybody to former president donald trump who is broadly -- because biden beat him -- unpopular nationwide is a pretty good strategy but let's break this down a little bit number one, i don't think maga republicans are the minority in

congress, i think they're the majority in congress the minority of republicans in congress want to work with biden, a very small majority, which is why he was able to get things done last congress and perhaps this congress, but the idea that he's going to be able to stay above the fray and just give speeches and i'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but just give speeches and highlight his progress is wrong. i mean, we are going to be -- i hate to bring this back to capitol hill, chris, but we're going to be in a very major crisis in the next six weeks over the debt limit over the republicans insistence that president biden negotiate spending cuts over the debt limit, which is going to be a congressional crisis, a nationwide crisis like we've seen in the past like 2011, the shutdown at the end of 2018, i mean, we know this -- we know this play, we've seen this movie before, chris, and so biden's going to have to be involved in that, and i would imagine that's something the white house would rather not the president be involved in because presidents

don't get much from skirmishing with congress most of the time sometimes it's a benefit, but it's going to be something that he has to engage in in the next couple of weeks. >> i think jake is right about that alencia, and clearly what the white house wants to do is say this is where our priorities are, this is where their priorities are illinois governor jamie pritzker was on "morning joe" this mor morning. he also addressed the contrast he thinks the democrats have to have and of course joe biden as well take a listen to what he had to say. >> at the heart of all these positions is this fundamental cruelty focusing on attacking children who are lgbtq or teachers that are lgbtq or taking on people who are, you know, not white, banning, you know, black history from our schools, making sure that certain text raren't available t people they want to rewrite history there's a cruelty to it all, and i think that voters see that and

they're showing up and rejecting it. >> i do think a lot of people were surprised in 2022 that the culture wars in general, but abortion in particular drove so many voters. who knows what's going to happen in 2024. will it be abortion culture wars again, will it be the economy? where does the messaging need to really resonate? >> honestly, it's going to be both look, i worked with the planned parenthood for six years, and we were trying to get people to understand that abortion is actually a critical issue. what we saw with the dobbs decision, people felt, oh, my goodness there is a right that i have that can be overturned. my constitutional right is no longer protected so they're linking that to democracy, and that's why you saw the results that we saw in 2022, and you know, i was thinking about this earlier today and how 2016 folks were talking about how that election was about the supreme court. we have a judicial issue here in this country now people are fundamentally seeing that. when president biden is for expanding access to reproductive rights, when he is about gun

control, when he is about, you know, making sure that we are addressing climate change but he can't get some of these things because of the supreme court, people are actually feeling that, and i think the young people, gen z and millennials who showed up in 2022 are going to be voting on this too. >> we need to remember, and i need you to be brief on this, it's not just the presidency at stake, is joe biden somebody who could potentially have coat tails to help with congress? are we going to see another election where people say i don't like it when everybody's from the same party? talk about the impact you're hearing or the concerns you're hearing from members of congress about who leads their party into 2024 >> well, if it's donald trump, i can tell you i had a conversation with a very senior republican lawmaker this week who suggested that if donald trump is the nominee, joe biden will beat him with 55% of the vote so i think that even republicans think that biden versus trump, biden could have coat tails very quickly. the house, there are more than a dozen republicans, that is

something where the house could flip it's pretty probable, likely that the house could flip to democratic control but it's likely the democrats will lose the majority in the senate yes, while he could have coat tails, the map favors republicans in the senate and indi democrats in the house. >> thank you, jake sherman, your going to stick around with us. the chair of the republican party is sounding the alarm saying republicans need to branch out if they want to win in 2024, but are they actually doing anything about it? we'll dig into that in just 60 seconds. we really had our hands full with our two-year-old. so naturally, we doubled down with a new puppy. thankfully, we also have tide ultra-oxi with odor eliminators. between stains and odors, it can handle double trouble. for the #1 stain fighter and odor remover, it's got to be tide.

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independents, and those reagan trump democrats if we're going to win the white house in 2024 so if we get tunnel vision and we focus on, oh, we only need to turn out our base or we can win the white house in red states, we're wrong. we can't we're going to need a blue and a purple state, and we're going to need independents to take the white house back. >> i want to bring in doug high, former rnc communications director and a republican strategist, jake sherman is back with me. doug, where have we heard this before i'm hearing echoes of reince priebus. we pulled that audio let's take a listen. >> we can be true to our principles without being disrespectful to those who don't agree with 100% of them. finding common ground with voters will be our top priority. >> so that was 2013, a whole plan got put together, and here we are ten years later and they're saying the same thing, but where's the change

>> well, the change is we've learned lessons hopefully this time where we didn't last time, and in 2013, i was working with for then majority leader eric cantor, jake was at "politico" and he was documenting very well and much to my anger quite often, how republicans r were failing to enact anything that would send the signal to voters that we've learned lessons from the loss in 2012 now we've been told in advance that we have problems, and we were told last time. it goes back to what mitch mcconnell warned, and he got blowback for this. we have a problem with the quality of our candidates. we saw it in pennsylvania, georgia, arizona, certainly. we're going to see it in a lot more states not just with presidential if it's donald trump, but the negative coat tails, governor's races, house races. the rnc doesn't get involved in primaries, so the congressional committee, the senatorial you are committee, they're being more aggressive in their efforts not just in candidate recruitment, but trying to block candidates they know can't win

in november. >> i don't want to get you in trouble here with doug again >> doug's right, i remember those days well, by the way, also republicans the rnc, the speaker at the time, very many people suggested we need to moderate our immigration policies and a variety of other moderating elements to bring the republican party more in line with conventional thought, conventional political thought, but one question that i've asked a lot of republicans in the last six to eight weeks or more than that is what do you think donald trump has done donald trump's going to probably be the nominee, i think most republicans think. what do you think donald trump has done to bring in more people that he didn't have last time, right? >> that's the problem, right >> no, doug, seriously, ultimately, isn't that the key question it doesn't look like anybody is at least right now mounting a serious challenge to him >> yeah, and part of the problem is, look, donald trump brought this a lot of people in 2016, first time voters or people who

had just felt lost in this system that was a benefit for republicans, but what we then saw was also brought in a lot of the wrong people, people who couldn't win, a kari lake, a doug mastriano, and for the rnc, the rnc can't get involved in primaries. its rules are that specific that it doesn't even support kevin mccarthy's re-election unless the california republican party tells them to. so the nrsc and the nrcc as far as the senate and house races are stepping up for this, but we still have that existential problem. we know that donald trump has been an albatross for republicans on the top of the ticket and far below that as well are we going to make that same mistake again? if so, we haven't learned any lessons. >> that's the truth that many of the biggest flame throwers, right, on the republican side, jake are indeed members of congress right now, so ronna mcdaniel can say what she wants, but the people who get a lot of attention often, the let's say marjorie taylor greenes of the world are folks who don't have

that message anymore and, you know, look, already when you look at the abortion issue, for example, you have lots of conflict the susan b. anthony list is not happy with donald trump because he said it should go back to the states these are fights that i'm trying to figure out where ronna thinks she's going to bring this given where the party is. >> and there are even more candidates, chris, to your original point there are even more candidates that lost in 2022 and who were supported by donald trump, so if you look at both the flame throwers inside the house who are carrying donald trump's message and getting a lot of air time, and the folks who lost, you get a picture of donald trump controlling the party internally, but also the candidates that he supports almost supported in these competitive races across the country lost in the house and senate, so there is a -- there's a through line there that is --

that tells us that his legislative agenda isn't particularly beneficial for republicans for the most part, and his political agenda is also not beneficial to the republican party because the candidates he supports cannot win elections, which doug alluded to. now, listen, the republicans believe that their agenda that they're putting forth this year and the next couple of years is going to be fruitful for republican candidates, but we've learned many times, chris, that the presidential race is going to be the main event of every republican in the house and senate is going to have to answer to what donald trump says every single day that's just the way it is, and they can't get away with saying we didn't hear it, we didn't listen that's not how it works anymore. that's the political dynamic republicans have to contend with. >> let me ask you about in our last minute, this new wall street journal poll. in december it showed ron desantis beating donald trump in a head to head matchup those numbers have reversed now. in fact, a 27 point swing toward donald trump since december. is that about trump?

is it about ron desantis what's going on there? >> there's a lot going on, and it's about both. certainly when donald trump had the initial indictment, we saw a lot of rallying around him, in part because republicans thought -- and even some democrats thought that this was a politically motivated indictment might be different if it were d. we've also seen that ron desantis has stumbled in his rollout, talking about ukraine, he's seen as being not focused on the job as governor as well also at the same time, we've overrated ron desantis in the beginning, and we may be underrating him right now. you know, we've set this up so that it's trump versus desantis, and that's the only game in town we're still in april there's a long way to go, and until there's a debate stage and somebody takes on donald trump to his face, a lot of this is just in theory at this point >> and summer is right around the corner and the beginning of those debates. great to have you here jake sherman, as always, thank you. we could be just moments

away from another critical ruling by the supreme court. the most significant case since roe v. wade was overturned at the center of it, the future of the commonly used abortion pill, mifepristone, that accounts for how more than half of the people in this country access abortions, and the clock is ticking the justices have until 11:59 tonight to make a decision that would prevent patients from obtaining the pill by mail i want to bring in nbc washington correspondent yamiche alcindor this is the second time in a year the supreme court is going to rule on a major restriction to abortion access what r are you hearing on both sides of this rule something. >> as you said, this is a very big moment, and we're all waiting to see what the supreme court does right now we are in a holding pattern. we're not hearing that much from the both sides who are having their cases heard before the supreme court. what we do know, of course, is the arguments they made going into this. the biden administration is saying that the fda needs to really be the sole arbitrator of scientific approval.

they are, they say, the world class standard for science in this -- in the world, and as a result, the fda should not be second guessed, and there should not be medication being pulled from the shelves or access being curtailed based on a court approving rather than what the fda believes of course you have anti-abortion groups who are arguing the opposite they were arguing at first and still are that this drug should not have been approved in the first place, though the court of appeals said it's too late to argue about that issue there's also these other issues which is can this pill be sent by mail. can people have this pill be something that they take at ten weeks, rather than seven weeks pregnancy. so a lot of issues that are before the supreme court we also have heard from the biden administration officials including vice president kamala harris who just this week was on the jennifer hudson show arguing this is really about rolling back progress on women's reproductive rights. so we are definitely going to wait and see here, but a lot of, i think, suspense and anxiety as we all wait for the supreme

court. >> so many implications, of course, for women but also for the 2024 election. yamiche, always good to see you. thank you for that after the break, a scary new warning from the u.n. that says the world's glaciers are melting faster than we thought, and frankly not a whole lot we can do about it. so what does come next you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ] and we wanted to thank america's number-one motorcycle insurer -for saving us money. -thank you. [ laughs ] mara, your parents are -- exactly like me? i know, right? well, cherish your friends and loved ones. let's roll, daddio! let's boogie-woogie!

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are all over the world, and what the u.n. found was that all of the glaciers are melting, and of the 40 glaciers they track, these are long-standing glaciers, they found that in one year they melted 4'2", which is huge in a year, okay and then the fwlaglaciers in eue and the alps, scientists use this language, the melting is off the charts that's because there was little snow in 2022 there were those incredible deadly heat waves in europe, you'll remember may through september, and then they had some saharan dust come and land on the alps, and that's dark material that holds the heat and accelerates the melting. it was so bad for the first time in history they couldn't find any measurable snow in the alps

in switzerland in the summer >> what are we going to do about it >> what we have to do is stop burning fossil fuels that's the most basic thing. we can't reverse the trend scientists say, but we can slow and stop this trend. and i talked to a scientist, john kennedy today who's the lead author of this report, and he said every tenth of a degree is worth fighting for. if the global temperature keeps going up, it doesn't sound like a whole lot, but that means more deadly heat waves, more floods, more droughts, and more sea level rise, and that's the real danger with the glacier melts. we're already seeing sea level rise at record levels because of the glacier melt if this keeps happening and greenland keeps melting, it's going to redraw the coastlines of the united states >> on that happy news, i always love to see you, but not exactly the bearer of good news. >> we can change it. i think a lot of kids understand

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the north carolina man accused of shooting a 6-year-old and her parent thess after a basketball rolled into his yard has been arrested in florida, after a two-day manhunt, 24-year-old robert louis

singletary turned himself in to authorities in tampa some 600 miles away from the shooting he is being held on a fugitive warrant with no bond and is scheduled to appear in court today to work out his extradition back to north carolina singletary has been charged with four counts of attempted first degree murder, one count of possession of a firearm by a felon, and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon right now there's a bill banning dozens of kinds of semiautomatic rifles heading to washington governor jay inslee's desk ready to be signed. the washington legislature pass add bill that blocks the sale, distribution, manufacturer, and importation of 50 gun models including ar-15s and ak-47s and other high powered firearms. in the moments after the bill passed, governor inslee said the state of washington will not accept gun violence as normal. it comes as the nation is reeling from another weekend of deadly gun violence with a mass shooting in alabama at a sweet

16 birthday party and a string of senseless shootings in north carolina, maine, missouri, texas all getting national attention washington governor jay inslee joins me now happy to have you here first, let me ask you the basics, when do you plan to sign this ban, and mostly, what impact do you think it's going to have? >> as soon as it gets to the desk look, we need to be persistent, resolute and undaunted against gun violence inaction passivity is not acceptable in our state. we're acting i'll sign this the next if u days as soon as it gets to my desk by the way, this is not the only thing we're doing in washington. we're also passing a bill that will require safety training and a ten-day waiting period to end this -- suicides and people get guns out of emotional rant, go on rampages and also a bill that holds manufacturers liable where appropriate. we're taking three measures all of which are common sense measures what this will do is a shift

that we are not going to accept weapons of war on our streets. now, that's not going to end all gun violence next week, but as a signal thing to tell our children that they should not accept weapons of war in their schools or our communities, weapons of war on our streets, and we're not going to allow people to go out and buy a gun and the next day go on rages. these are common sense measures. i'm glad we're getting this done. >> according to the giffords law center, washington is the tenth state to ban assault style weapons. how do you stop these guns from coming in from elsewhere, especially when none of the states around you ban them >> well, law enforcement, and we will be serious about this we are serious about enforcing our laws, and we will not accept criminal behavior, which this would be, and we have found effectiveness in some of these laws look, we passed this in 1994 when i was in congress it was in effect for ten years, and it had an impact in reducing

the number of mass murders that we are experiencing for ten years. then the republicans took over congress, did not allow it to continue, and those numbers went up so we know that these laws can be effective in reducing gun violence the other laws i talked about in requiring safety training, requiring a ten-day waiting period, they also have been shown to be effective in reducing gun violence in states that have implemented these laws we know that these can be effective, not eliminating gun violence but reducing it, and every life that we save through these common measures is worth doing in my opinion and in my state's opinion. >> i'm wondering if -- and obviously joe biden was also in congress for the assault weapons ban. he's very frustrated, you know, that it hasn't been reinstated is there something about the messaging that you use that you think could be applied on a federal level? is it just the fact that washington overall is a more left leaning state why in spite of what we know the

polls say has washington not been able to get this done >> well, i think that there's a couple of things i've learned. one, you just need to be persistent i've been working on this for 30 years now, and persistence ultimately will win the day, as it is in many, many places today. the second thing what i would say is that from my experience, we need to affirmatively press this in our election cycles. we need to be aggressive we need to hold republicans to count. we win seats right and left, particularly in suburban districts when we hold republicans on to account. in 1998 when i came out from a 16-point deficit to beat an incumbent republican, in part because i held him to count for his slavish devotion to the ira. the more that we understand and

accept the fact that the vast, vast majority of americans in the numbers exceeding 70% want these laws, and you can't be daunted by some of the noisy voices from the room coming out of the nra because this is where the heart of the american people are. they do not accept weapons of war, and when people run for office, if we affirmatively hold these folks count who will not stand up for safety, we will win races. we will get more seats, and we will pass this nationally. until then, we're going to do it state by state, and we're making real progress on this because people have had a belly full of being exposed to these weapons of war >> one last question before we go because president biden is expected to announce his bid for reelection last week, as someone who ran against him. look, his approval ratings are low. a lot of americans are upset about the economy. what do you see as a fellow democrat as his strength, and what do you hope to see out there that as we know the top of the ticket can often influence how folks will do in 2024. >> well, look, at the end of the

day, when joe biden's at the top of our ticket, and he can talk to the american people about the problem we're making, which is extraordinary, look, the combination of the infrastructure act and the inflation reduction act, the millions and millions of jobs that are being created under his watch ultimately voters are going to pay attention to that, and i am particularly excited as are americans about his clean energy you just led into this show about the climate crisis we're facing no president has ever been so successful in both fighting climate change and building millions of job in the clean energy economy joe biden gets jobs, and j of joe stands for jobs, and ultimately people are going to be voting on that in the next election cycle i look forward to his next four years of accomplishment. he's already had a great record and i'll be there for him. >> washington governor jay inslee, really appreciate you taking the time, governor, thank you so uch >> thank you people who lied about 2020

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by the day, the price tag of former president donald trump's big lie is rising. for my pillow founder and prominent election conspiracy theorist, mike lindell, it's now $5 million that's what he said he would pay anyone who could disprove what he claimed was evidence of 2020 election fraud he even called the challenge prove mike wrong well, a software expert named robert zeidman did so arbitrators ordered lindell to pay up, even though lindell maintains to nbc news that his theories are factual of course 5 million isn't much compared to the $787.5 million that fox agreed to pay to dominion voting systems for repeating the lie, and an even bigger suit against fox is underway then there are trump's supporters who the january 6th committee says spent $250 million on an election defense fund that, frankly, never existed. for american taxpayers, "the washington post" reports a cost

of more than half a billion dollars. republican strategist doug high is back with us along with carol lamb, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. if not $5 million, i don't know how much money lindell has, maybe that's like 10 bucks for you and me, but what is it going to take for some people to understand that the 2020 election was won by joe biden? >> well, for some they're never going to get there as our politics have gotten more tribal, we've seen truth just not be accepted. we've seen a breakdown in how we deal with each other societally, civilly and so forth that's part of the problem and for the republicans, they've my pillowized themselves. we've become a my pillow party you've seen so often in the conservative movement, it's monetized. become a conservative and buy this pillow, stay at this hotel, buy these vitamins or sleep pills and all these other

things everything with trump goes back to a dollar sign the revolution must be monetized, and that's what everything -- this trump world specific has done. >> i haven't even mentioned, carol, all the money that's been spent securing future elections. some states already spent millions on the midterms but knowing how many lawsuits have been filed against election, you know, county election officials, is it likely money well spent or in a legal sense, you can't stop anyone from making claim of election fraud no matter how many new machines, how many safeguards you put in place >> you know, chris, there's so many aspects of our society that are at odds with each other right now. of course you have the at odds h other. you have the first amendment, people can say what they want. you have the legal system that moves slowly and the past few years it feels like it's moved excruciatingly slowly. we have increased technology

which gives people -- everybody's got a bull horn, and the fringe areas of our society can now get to their target audiences much faster and without a filter so you have all of these competing interests here my pitch would be stick with the legal system, don't give up on the legal system because at the end of the day, if you have a fair and just legal system, that's where everything eventually gets worked out as best as can be that's what we saw here with the lindell arbitration award. >> i mentioned smartmatic, and they're taking a different approach than dominion did let me play something that one of their attorneys had to say. >> don't you think it's important to make sure that those millions of americans get the truth? >> i'll say long haul. i want everybody to think of the long haul here smartmatic is in this case for the long haul.

they are looking to take this case through trial they are looking through the vindication of a jury verdict in their favor. they are in this for the long haul, and in order for them to get back to where they were before this all started, where they can win the contracts they are now losing, they need to get an apology, they need to get a full retraction. they're in that business for the long haul. they're not looking to get out of that business. >> so if you're in a possible settlement negotiation for fox, a company with an income of over $3 billion in the last quarter of 2022, what's more important to you, carol, money or avoiding an apology >> yeah, so one of the problems with our legal system is that it can be very expensive, and if you're fox, you can afford to take a settlement as they did. if you're a smaller company, like smartmatic probably is, you are betting that you're going to be able to survive this legal process and be able to pay your attorneys and make it through to the end. they're taking that bet.

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the cost of monthly car payments is hitting an all time high, and now the number of americans at least 60 days overdue on those payments is also way up. nbc's maggie vespa has more. >> in the shadow of motor city, detroit area mom dawn hurley's daily lifeline hangs by a thread. >> how many days a week do you need this car? >> seven and a half. >> every day and then some after months unemployed during the pandemic, hurley, who drives her kids to school each day then travels for her new job in pharmacy operations is a thousand dollars behind on car payments and on the list to have her car repossessed. >> have you had to choose between car payments and other bills? >> absolutely. i've had to choose to have my rent late. >> reporter: knowing she could wake up any morning to have her car gone. >> have you lost sleep over this. >> of course.

>> reporter: that nightmare a reality for families worldwide the rate of american borrowers dubbed delinquent were at least 60 days overdue on car payments is up 18% from a year ago. that same rate for sub prime borrowers, up 40% in the last two years. repo agencies say the impact is obvious. the number of cars referred to you by the banks to get repossessed has tripled. >> it's all about inflation, you know, the price of fuel, price of food, and a lot of the customers can't keep up with their car payment, and feed their family >> especially given climbing car prices the average monthly new vehicle payment hitting an all time high of $730. many boosted by rising interest rates. >> most americans need vehicles, we know that they have to get from a to b, and there's also not a lot of affordable loans. >> reporter: auto experts advice for those struggling to make payments, reach out to your lender, ask for a grace period

or loan restructuring. don't buy cars based on monthly payments. >> buy it based on the price, and save as much cash as you can to put down on the car borrowing money costs money. >> reporter: tips to try and curb a troubling trend that's leaving more families running on fumes. maggie vespa, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports. let's get right to it. at this hour, extreme weather, yet another community in shock their lives and homes in pieces after a deadly tornado ripped through the area the latest from oklahoma plus, how russia accidentally bombed one of its own cities just miles from the ukrainian border looming legal troubles, charges federal prosecutors have considered against hunter biden as his father gears up for his

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