smackdown against some of the lower court judges who seized on that ruling to try to do otherwise. we have this procedural decision what we don't have yet is, of course, a final decision we'll keep that in our minds as we cover this docket thank you for spending time with us have a great weekend you have been watching "the beat" with ari melber. joy reid takes over our coverage now. good evening, everyone we have breaking news from the supreme court moments ago, the high court blocked in full a decision by texas based u.s. district judge matthew kacsmaryk on april 7th that invalidated the food and drug administration's long time approval of the abortion pill mifepristone conservative justices clarence thomas and samuel alito publicly dissented from the decision. this means the supreme court has allowed the pill to stay on the market and remain widely available at least for now people can still obtain mifepristone by mail for now and

use it at home and use it up to ten weeks into a pregnancy, at litigation continues into the supreme court. the generic version of the drug made by a company called gen biopro will also continue to be available. joining me now are the president of the naral pro choice america and lisa reuben, msnbc legal analyst. lisa, i want you to go through this decision with me, because and i think ari talked about it in the previous hour what i read here is something that reads like shade. this decision talking about in recent cases the court has been lambasted for staying a district court order based on the scanty review this court gives matters on its shadow docket this opening with lots of criticism of people who have been critical of the court, is that normal? and what do you make of it >> this is a court that isn't getting along particularly well, joy, so you're asking me, is this normal? it hasn't been normal up through the trump presidency, and yet,

we now have nine justices that are largely at each other's throats and defying the collegiality that has defined the supreme court. but you're right to say justice alito is indeed casting shade and criticizing folks like justice kagan who have been critical of the court for mapping on its policy preferences to a number of different things through decisions they don't explain, by use of what they call the shadow docket those are cases that are not litigated on their merits but come to the court on some application for emergency relief as this did. and to me, it smacks of i know you are but what am i. justice alito has often been in the group of people willing to grant that emergency relief. tonight he's not because it doesn't comport with his own policy prenchs and his long standing antipathy toward abortion >> this is alito's dissent the applicant's claim that regulations prohibited and -- let me skip to this part

here, the government has not dispelled legitimate doubts that it would even obey an unfavorable order in these cases much less that it would choose to take enforcement actions to which it has strong ojdzs. this seems like he's admitting we don't have an army, the ability to enforce our decisions, and we're not sure if the government would even obey that's a pretty glaring admission of weakness and a pretty churlish thing to write down in your dissent this guy seems to be all in his feeling that the american people oppose his attempts to play mullah instead of supreme court justice and ban abortion >> and i hear that, joy. on one hand, he's not wrong. the fda does have what's called enforcement discretion just like a prosecutor has discretion not to bring every case that violates the law however, there's no indication on this record as you noted that the fda wouldn't follow a

validly issued court order for him to insinuate this administration and this independent fda wouldn't follow the law is to use your words, absurdly churlish and frankly not becoming a justice of the supreme court. >> well, there's been a lot of that going around. mini, let me get your reaction to this stay, which surprised a lot of people who just assumed the court was going to continue along its ban abortion trajectory your reaction. >> it's a temporary relief for providers, for patients across the country, for activists, for organizers, but moe importantly, for the american people, for people who can get pregnant and women across the country so we have temporary relief. now, this goes back to the fifth circuit, which is also frankly not a very hospitable place for abortion rights. it does mean, however, we have more time. time is really good in this scenario >> i want to read another piece of this, for those of you who don't read a lot of scotuss

blog, normally, these rules are fairly dry, straightforward. in this case, in his dissent, alito is scathing. he writes that in another instance, we were criticized for ruling on a stay application while barely bothering to explain our conclusion a disposition that was labeled as emblmematic of too much of shadow docket making he then cites whole women's health versus jackson. i'm going to start with you mini and then ask lisa to weigh in as well it seems to me this court if nothing else understands the political and social impact that its decisions have had in terms of the party of its seeming preference and the way that they have fared ever since. is that how you see it >> yes, and i think it's really hard to ignore the context in which this is all happening. we have a judiciary committee

hearing on ethics in a few weeks. we have never ending scandals on the front page involving this court. we have a history of leaks involving justice alito. ethics issues involving justice thomas it's hard to mage the court cannot understand that not only are their politics around reproductive freedom and rights at play here, but their image and their remarkably low approval rating by the american people who see them as illegitimate >> you know, lisa, it's interesting because the idea of making the court more diverse was supposed to be that these people with the collegiality with which they normally operate and getting to know the fact you have sona sotomayor, elena kagan, you have justice ketanji brown jackson, means they're now exposed to ort points of view and they would somehow have a better sense of what the world outside of the supreme court is like but it seems to me that alito has done the opposite. he's become more insular, more

angry, he's become more enraged because somehow he believed that the decisions that he wrote, the decision he wrote in jackson v. whole women's health would be lauded did he think he was a defender of the faith and people would be cheering in the streets? i'm not sure why they are so surprised, i guess so does the republican party, at how much chaos this has caused and how much anger >> i think they're angry for a number of reasons, joy one is that they don't like being criticized, and justice alito has taken a lot of heat over the last year some folks pointed to him as the potential source of the leak in the dobbs decision he was also criticized for meeting with some donors to the supreme court historical society. he then gave a speech to a rousing standing ovation, to your point, to the 40th anniversary of the federalist society. and he has taken a lot of heat in the intervening time because of that. so i think there's a certain

intransigence on his part, definitely digging in because of that but you're right, these people seem further apart than ever before, and the politics of grievance that are affecting our country that lead donald trump to be the front-runner right now in the republican race for candidacy for president, the supreme court is not immune to that that politics of grievance seems to be infecting all of our american institutions right now and every branch of government >> yeah, indeed. let me read what president biden just said. he said in a statement, quote, today, the supreme court granted the department of justice's emergency stay application in alliance for hippocratic medicine versus fda. preventing lower court decision from going into effect that would have undermined fda's medical judgment and put women's health at risk as a result of the supreme court's stay, mifepristone remains available and approved for safe and effective use while we continue this fight in the courts i continue to stand by fda's evidence-based approval of mifepristone and my administration will continue to defend fda's independent, expert

authority to review, approve, and regulate a wide range of prescription drugs the stakes could not be higher for women across america i will continue to fight politically driven attacks on women's health, but let's be clear, the american people must continue to use their vote as their voice and elect a congress that will pass a law restoring the protections of roe v. wade he mentioned political decisions out of the courts. i think very few would argue that's not what's happening. that started with this texas judge. i want to talk a little bit about this judge this is an unusual case. the people who he is saying have standing are doctors who say that somewhere in the future they might have to treat a woman in an e.r. because at some point she took mifepristone. it's their job to treat women in the e.r. i don't -- i'm not a lawyer, but i don't see how they have standing to sue at all, but he let them do it and this ruling, you want to talk about alito's ruling being churlish, it read like a conservative screed. it didn't read like anything i

have ever read on scotusblog what is this guy's deal? >> we know he was raised in the conservative movement. he was raised actually in the crisis pregnancy movement. his mother was a long-term volunteer. his sister lived for some period of time in a home set up for unwed mothers who were committed to having their children and giving them up for adaugz. he later served on the board of that organization. and i don't think he ever expected to be on the bench. he was nominated in the first place because the organization of which he was the deputy counsel, he didn't survive the nominations process, and matt kacsmaryk was thrust into being the ms. america of his own life, so to speak. when he was there, he made some decisions that you and i would find not only problematic but a antithetical to it rule of law he concealed from the senate during his nominations process a number of things he authored and or/or said and ways that start to look purposeful, in part

because that was what happened to the guy who was nominated before him he had not been honest about his own interviews with the same media organization to which kacsmaryk gave a radio interview that was disclosed by cnn this week i don't begrudge someone having fervent heartfelt religious beliefs. what i have a real problem with is when a soldier of the anti-abortion movement becomes a judge with lifetime tenure >> this is the challenge, mini you don't now have judges who are dedicated to simply analyzing the text of laws to determine their constitutionality. these are activists. these are activists whose sole purpose apparently was to overturn roe it's clear alito was not honest in his interviews before the senate about that. it's clear kavanaugh who said he was going to call balls and strikes, they all say it, settled law, stare decisis

none of them were telling the truth. amy coney barrett very clearly is an ideologue. you now have ideologues on the court who got through. how do we change the way that voters pay attention to senate races to connect them to the fact that that is how you wind up with a court that can take away your rights >> we really have to be doing a massive public education campaign to the american people. just a few days ago, we announced in "the new york times" that naral along with dozens of other organization have joined the campaign to focus on taking the narrative about this court, the extremist court, the ethics issues, and really examining every possible option to reform the court, including structural change, and by that i mean court expansion we have to take it to the american people and have to have really robust conversations. we know that the american people don't trust this court we know that the challenges with this court are undergirding all of the challenges for us as a

democracy. we don't have majority rule right now. we know the majority of american people are with us on abortion rights, on gun violence prevention, on lgbtq plus american civil rights, yet we cannot get things done so we are taking this fight to the people and we're going to make this a top election issue going into 2024 >> lisa, what is the risk when the court is acting antithetically to the wishes and will of a vast majority of americans? i mean, at some point -- they don't have an army to enforce their rulings. you know, it does put us in a very strange place when you have the vast majority of americans completely and diametrically disagreeing with a court that has so much power. >> absolutely, joy you know, this is also a court that in the dobbs decision, you'll note that justice alito who was the author of that decision, never cites it in his churlish dissent from the state tonight. the dobbs decision was supposed to be about restoring the issue of abortion to the will of their

people and their elected representatives. fat was a lie on two fronts. it was a lie because there are a number of states all across the country that are ruled by pro-choice elected officials and want the choice to allow their citizens to access mifepristone, but it's also a lie in another respect that we don't talk about enough that's because congress passed the food, drug, and cause met act to give the fda the authority to make decisions grounded in science about the safety and efficacy of medication, and mifepristone is one of those it should be the case that what the fda says about the safety and efficacy of medication should preempt any conflicting state law, and now that we have a stay in this case, it's my hope that there are two litigations in the country, both in federal courts, that raise that preemption issue. it's my hope they get a chance to play themselves out too so we can see who gets to make the call with respect to mifepristone states or the fda. >> let me ask you one more question to stay with you for a moment inside of kacsmaryk's ruling, he

repeatedly cites the comstock act. which was the sort of decency act from the early -- late 19th century that made it illegal to transmit lewd material or any material that could be used for abortion or contraseception. what's the risk that a comstock style case comes back to the supreme court and they rule indeed you cannot transmit such things across state lines inthat would mean it wouldn't matter. mifepristone could not be set across state lines and wouldn't that in effect be a national abortion ban >> it would be, joy. the one think i would say about the comstock act is it's kind of like a federal zombie law. in the wake of roe, there were a number of laws all across the country, some of which were more than 130 years old, that banned abortion they were thought to be ineffective because roe had superseded them. roe said we have a federal constitutional right to abortion the comstock act is one of those

things that was never rescinded because in the wake of roe, nobody thought it had any effect and it was discovered by the conservative movement and the anti-abortion right and suddenly it's been reviewed from the dead like the korms in weekend at bernies. while the biden administration has no desire or inkling of any desire to enforce the comstock act and they have even said so in an office of legal counsel opinion, what happens if the comstock act is not rescinded by the next congress? that's the danger that we're in right now. states can't necessarily enforce the comstock act themselves, but all it takes is a change of president and a change and the comstock act gets reviewed from the dead, much like a michigan law would have been had governor whitmer not succeeded in her litigation and in getting that ballot initiative passed >> this is frightening stuff let's bring in nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. thank you for being here, laura. talk to us about what happens

next in the fifth circuit. it's interesting obviously, the fifth circuit tends to lean conservative there's something like six judges on the court appointed by trump, two of which heard the case the last time it was down there last week, and obviously, had upheld parts of kacsmaryk's order that was particularly far reaching so now the case will go back to the fifth circuit. we'll get a new three-judge panel, because the panel that heard it before was just for that emergency motion. now it will go to a merits panel. a brand-new panel of judges. remains to be seen who is on the panel and how they treat it. that will get a full treatment on the merits. the court has already expedited it so it's going to be heard next month on may 17th we may be having this conversation all over again pretty soon because if the fifth circuit decides to let kacsmaryk's order go forward, you can be sure the justice department is going to appeal up to the supreme court once again, and it's why some had wondered whether the court would grab the

case for itself right now knowing we're going to be back here again >> i have another question for you. the case, the washington state ruling seems to never get talked about. we just talk about the texas ruling why doesn't that ruling have force, laura >> you know, i think it's an interesting case remember, that case was brought as a strategic move by a bunch of democratic attorneys general who were so worried about the tesh tex case that they said let's do our own version but the mirror image but some of the biggest states, new york, california, not a party to that case, so because that judge's ruling was only limited to 17 states plus washington, d.c., i think somehow it kind of got lost, and it didn't have the same force. even though obviously it's still a federal judge with the exact same authority as judge kacsmaryk, somehow it was always seen as this afterthought. i think it's possible the supreme court recognized that had the force of law and perhaps why some of these justices

decided to sign on to a stay >>and let me note that the two justices who dissented to the stay are samuel alito, the author of the dobbs decision taking away women's right to abortion, and clarence thomas, who apparently is back from one of his fancy vacations and able to rule on the case. sonia sotomayor said she wonders whether the court will ever survive the stench of the rulings. thank you all very much. appreciate all three of you. much more on this breaking news. the supreme court weighing in on the abortion pill. a positive development, but don't be fooled about the rise of christian nationalism in the courts and in this country stay right there 72 shake 'n feed. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow.

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only temporary the larger picture is more alarming the republican party has allowed a small fringe white christian nationalist movement to control the way the party and much of this country operates. posing a very real threat to freedom of religion and to the separation of church and state some examples, the texas senate approved a bill that would require public schools in every classroom starting next year that's right, thou shalt not commit adultery slapped right next to the periodic table another bill also passed in the texas state senate would allow school districts to require time for students and employees to pray and read the bible or other religious texts. hey, texans, does that theclude the koran? and a ban on unmarried couples living together. the ban from 1931 could put unmarried couples who lewdly

cohab tate behind bars nine republicans voted to keep the law, saying you should have to put a ring on it. they're not even trying to hide their grotesque vision for america anymore. here's a republican lawmaker in missouri defending child marriage, just listen to what he said when his democratic colleague pushed him on the issue. >> i have heard you talk about parents rights to raise their kids how they want in fact, i just double checked you voted no on making it illegal for kids to be married to adults at the age of 12 if their parents consented to it. you said actually, that should be the law because it's the parents right and the kid's right to decide what's best for them, to be raped by an adult. okay >> do you know kids who have been married at age 12 >> that was the law, you voted not to change it >> do you know any kids who have been married at age 12 >> i don't need to >> i do, and guess what, they're

still married. >> in the year of our lord, 2023, you just heard a republican defending a practice that is widely considered to be a human rights violation, but this isn't just about one child rape apologist these are the views that are taking over the country. clawing their way into the culture wars and into our laws, and keep in mind, these are minority views perthis recent survey, only 10% of americans view themselves as adherents of christian nationalism. 19% of americans say they sympathize with these views. these are not big numbers but the survey found republicans are four times more likely than democrats or independents to be adherents of christian nationalism. and they are practically salivating over taking away even more freedoms, emboldened by the hyperconservative court that made their roe ending dreams come true. joining me is frank schaefer, author of why i am an atheist who believes in god, and frank, the good news today sort of temporary good news that we will

not see a nationwide ban on mifepristone, is good. but i think a lot of people are still nervous because this is still what really reads like a christian nationalist court. what do you make of it all today? >> well, joy, you know my background, my father francis schaefer was really the grandfather of the whole anti-abortion movement in terms of evangelicals that morphed into the christian nationalist movement that has taken over the republican party that does everything from keeping guns on our streets because this is the backbone of the nra, to closing abortion clinics, and now we have a ruling that has just been stayed as it were to try to ban what is known commonly as the abortion pill but listen, i just have to point something out. these are not legal rulings. none of these are. this is political matchination and planning by the hard core

christian nationalists in the gop using people like judge kacsmaryk and alito and thomas and it has nothing to do with our traditions of law or the separation of church and state when you look at someone like amy coney barrett, and the people around her, you have to understand that the only reason they were appointed was because they were on a checklist provided by the federalist society to donald trump as the condition of him getting elected, people like billy graham's son, franklin graham, who i grew up with and knew when my dad was a big time evangelist as well, made a deal with trump and said you will have our support if you promise to appoint these judges now we're seeing the result. none of this has to do with the law. this has to do with the judicial coup against our democracy these people are authoritarian they fear democracy.

they want to overturn elections. the christian nationalist movement is a halfway point to a kind of authoritarian fascism. it's not anything to do with america anymore. this is beyond that. so this action by the supreme court is tactical, joy they realize that in overturning roe, they have basically pissed off the majority of americans. what they're doing now is just taking a position of retreat, regrouping, and then they're going to go at it again. this abortion pill will be banned just like roe was overturned at some point if they get their way. the only reason this would change is if they tactically look at it and understand that they will lose the presidency, the house, and the senate. and that's where the ordinary american voter had damn well better stand up and be counted in the next few elections or we're going to see these people turn our country into an evangelical christian version of

iran that's what these folks want to do, and any moderation they show is simply tactical it has nothing to do with changing opinion or backing off. >> frank, what is the end game they want mandatory, the ten commandments displayed in school that means parents have to explain what adultery is to a child. i thought they didn't want sexual grooming of children. they want child marriage to be legal, child labor to be legal essentially, trans people to be made illegal what kind of world do they think they're creating and why is it they're not simply content to create that world in home in their own homes and not try to impose that on blue states who very clearly don't want it >> yeah, you have to understand, these are true believers and true believers are very dangerous people ask the iranian women who tried to take off their head scarf how this is working out. ask saudi women who have been jailed and tortures for doing something as abominable as wanting a driver's license

right now in the world, there is a worldwide phenomena, a turn toward the right, a turn toward hindu nationalism, extremism by settlers on the west bank, extremism by christian white nationalists we are in a fight for democracy. we're in a fight for civil rights, for our very lives as americans, and for women's rights to have autonomy over their own body that is going to be the big driving line but they will not stop there my friends who are married, my producer of my podcast, woo is married, a gay man, married to a pastor for 17 years, he now fears for his marriage he's not pretending. he actually fears for it, with good reason. because thee guys have an agenda, and that agenda, we have only seen the first taste of it. the next few elections will decide how far they can get with this >> absolutely. in florida, one of the flacks for the current governor essentially invited lgbtq people

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i do want to remind everyone that everything after clearing the tower was icing on the cake. >> and then the cake exploded. spacex claims their rocket launch yesterday was a success despite the fact it literally blew up in the air frankly, there is no better metaphor for what is happening with elon musk's other shiny toy, twitter they cut twitter's valuation in half and welcomed nazis and accounts spreading misinformation back onto the platform yesterday, we saw what might be the final nail in their coffin, when the famous blue checks were removed on the accounts of anyone who wouldn't pay elon $8 a month, that includes oprah winfrey and elmo, also yours

truly, putting me in fantastic company. but it also means that now, on one of the biggest social media platforms in the world, there is no system in place to verify who is real and who is fake, and almost immediately, the website devolved into complete chaos nbc news reported impersonator accounts quickly emerged for users such as hillary clinton, harry potter author jk rohling, the city of new york, and kathy hochul they retweeted a claim that falsely claimed the democrat was running for re-election as governor as a republican this is a dangerous game musk is playing. the blue check was more than a status symbol. it was a way for twitter users to know the person posting information was really who they claimed to be, and you could likely trust the info they posted that is more important than ever in time of emergency or crisis now that the blue check means only the poster was willing to hand over $8 to the guy who turned tesla factories into

racist hell holes and twitter into nazi town and they can pretend to be whoever they want and say whatever they want, what could go wrong joining me new to answer that question is ben collins. ben, what could possibly go wrong, and do you still have your blue check? >> i lost it i don't know where it went it is gone now so joy, there are 17,000 some odd verified checkmarks verified the old fashioned way. how men a of these people do you think paid for it yesterday and today by about noon today. >> i'm going to guess. i'm going to say ten >> okay. it's net plus 28 so about 320 of them signed up 290 got rid of it, so they were playing with it for a couple weeks and were like, no thank you. net plus 28 of those people. and now, elon musk says you have to use twitter blue to advertise on the platform, making it harder for them to get

advertisers on the platform. so this is like shooting yourself in both feet, i think i don't really know what the next step is here. by the way, i want to cite my sources here a guy named travis brown who used to work for the company in 2014 and 2015. there's -- he has access to the api, basically a way to reliably take some data from the back end there. this is real information, not looking pretty over there. >> i'm surprised 328 people honestly to be honest would sign up for it at all the reality is that this is a platform that is actually pretty powerful and journalists have really relied on it. it's been a really important news aggregator for you, for me, for a lot of us. it was a great way to promote content and to put out other content you're doing but now that no one knows who anyone is really, talk about the dangers of that, particularly when we're in this disinformation war with russian bots and, you know, u.s. nazis >> yeah, it's just not a

reliable website for information. it's funny last night that there were 50 popes i could see impersonating the pope because he lost his checkmark as well. >> they took the pope's blue check? going to hell. >> yeah, they gave him one back for i think they comped the pope later on but that's what's going on now but look, you know, if there's a hurricane or if there's a tornado warning or if something is happening in the city of new york which got impersonated last night, there were two rival new york city accounts there's no real way to verify in the moment, especially if it's a small place. if you're trying to pose as the mayor of a small place that had a tornado go through or a city council or something, there's no real way to verify that without picking up the phone the old fashioned way, which renders the point of twitter moot. >> i remember when cory booker, back when he was running for president, was doing this thing where people could tweet to them they needed their snow removed and he was showing up and doing that

this could be dangerous. you know, people could be tweeting out, you know, some sort of hazard is happening to me, and people come and somebody could get hurt this is actually pretty dangerous. i do want to talk about the sort of the absurd part of it so he claims, elon musk, this is for egalitarian reasons. so why is he paying to give blue checkmarks to people like stephen king, who don't want them, and lebron james, who said we didn't want this, we didn't pay for it >> the main major celebrities you said that were not paying for this thing sort of got these blue checks after them, after the fact elon said he's paying for it look, this is how elon views this website, this big status website where you get to fight back against the libs and all this stuff that's how he's viewed this website forever. and now, you know, the people who use it for utilitarian purpose, people who are like tweeting at southwest airlines asking how their flight was doing or something, that's over with that is not going to happen

anymore. elon doesn't have, when he speaks about egalitarian stuff, he doesn't have the utilitarian experience he has his own jets. he doesn't have to complain to customer service on twitter. that's going to go away because there's no real way to verify who is who anymore >> it is a shame thank you, and thank you for that we got the scoop on how many people signed up and got real blue checks. before i let you go, this is the part where i get to embarrass you. i want to congratulate you for winning the 2023 walter cronkite award for excellence in tv political journalism, the usc norman lear center is honoring our friend ben and his, i'm quoting here, brilliant, brave work they write it is inspiring to watch collins cover stories like the racist manifesto of the buffalo shooter or the anti-trans campaigns in the lead-up to the club q shooting, holding it accountable judges found his wrestling with the responsibilities of journalists and with his own work's impact or lack thereof on

vio violence, quote, honest and necessary. we here at "the reidout" actually agree you didn't know i was going to do this, but i want to congratulate you we lured you on in order just to really do that, so thank you very much for coming on and also talking about what emow has done to twitter >> joy, thank you so much. it's because of you and it's because of your show that that even happened. i really do appreciate it. thank you and your producers for everything seriously, thank you >> come back often thank you very much, ben l alright, we'll be back after this

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. we have a lot to get to in our politics block, from abortion to major 2024 developments joining me now is fernand amandi, democratic pollster and msnbc political analyst, and dean obeidallah. fernand, i'm going to start with you. vice president kamala harris has weighed in on this decision, the stay of this texas ruling banning mifepristone she says, quote, to the president and i will continue to fight to protection a woman's freedom to protect decisions about her own body no one should stand between a woman and her doctor we also had obviously a statement from the president talk about the political impact here of abortion you have ron desantis with a six-week abortion ban still in the courts you have tim scott who said i'll sign the strictest abortion ban i can get. how is this playing out politically, do you think?

>> joy, it's the republican nightmare from 2022 carrying over now into 2024 any hopes that abortion might have been sidelined as an issue that was going to galvanize the anti-maga, >> for women across the country, especially to say that as father of a young girl, but th fact that republicans are just not going to be able to ge away from this issue it is going to be a defining one. i think the vice president's comments suggest that in the fear, the abject nearb candidates like tim scott, who find themselves unable to, i any way articulate i'm here an responses to extremism suggest that it is going to be for republicans going into 2024. even trump knows that this i kryptonite, joy. >> absolutely. and the thing is, the you have president biden who will b

announced for reelection - who specialized in crime against women and children you have republicans out there saying that adults should be able to marry little girls that ten year old should b forced to give birth they are saying they are out t protect children but their policies are so anti-child anti-girl, anti-woman, and the are going to go into 202 against biden that has a decen economy, and they are the ones trying to tank it. and with this sort of attack against women and lgbtq people i don't understand how the think any of that is goo politics >> i don't know if they care i it is good politics when i gets to the christia nationalist part, joy, that yo talk about all the time. you are saying here is m religion, i will force it down your throat as law if i lose the election, so b it, because they think that yo are doing gods work. i really do think that some of them believe it. but polling shows that thi position is awful. and they care about girls or women, but they will force a

woman who is right to carry fetus to term, or they wil force women across this countr to carry a fetus to term, an more women will literally di because of the general mentality. so the gop, this is who they are. and the one thing that i would say to people, don't applaud this because today, they -- we are only here because o this right-wing extremis supreme court, that overturned roe v. wade and said this up so this is a trump overturne roe v. wade, a trump judge overturned the ban, th abortion bill, and now it is u to us to save us >> ron desantis to me feel like he is circling the drain. everything he's doing is so -- to winning a general election. trying to ban history, banning black history, banning abortio at six weeks he wasn't even happy with th 15-week. now he's going for the six-wee ban. and all of this, just saying the word woke 470 times in a row, which doesn't mea anything fighting disney, being ant

business i don't even understand hi campaign, unless he is running to be donald trump's friend, and donald trump doesn't eve like him nor does seemingly anyone else >> what is happening is that h is running the florida gubernatorial election again thinking that that playboo that worked here in florida is going to work across the country. but what he is learning this week is not trump giveth, an trump taketh away. the person who is in essence terminated the desanti candidacy not even six weeks into the effort is donald trump, he just put out a blistering statement today talking abou how florida under desantis is state that is really unlivable costs have gone up, quality of life the costs of renting, the costs of affordable housing. this isn't democrats or jo biden or kamala harris makin his case, it is donald trump and then you have the othe republican hitmen like chris christie, circling above pointing out his disney stance which seems like a suicide pac when you consider th

fundamental role the transformational role that the private sector company lik disney plays in our state of florida. something like two trillio dollars of economic impact ove the last 50 years, and ron desantis is threatening th viability of the industry. i think we will look back to that this week as the week tha the desantis candidacy in 2024 was fatally wounded. >> yeah, even a former membe of congress needs to sit nex to him when he was a tea party congressman, he said he neve even spoke to him, the guy is freshman, and he said he is an a hole who doesn't care abou people he clearly doesn't care abou them it doesn't seem like it is jus desantis, it seems like th playbook you have a guy who is runnin in ohio who says that ther should be reparations for whit americans. white people should ge reparations. you have kari lake saying that she would destroy the field if she ran for the united state senate, when she couldn't ge elected governor, but she stil thinks she's the governor. it doesn't seem like they ar learning from the lessons they should have gotten from 2022

>> it is like peter pan, joy they just close their eyes and wish for whatever they want an it comes true. it's remarkable, it's like tinkerville, hold me, i' governor this is, i will go back on desantis for one second, donal trump deserves to be the nominee of this party becaus he defines this party. he is a white nationalist, h is a fascist, he has embrace violence, and he has delivered the judges who gave them christian nationalism. so when we run against him i 2024, because he will be the nominee, donald trum overturned roe v. wade so the person playing thei little cosplay, trump is the guy going against 2024, we wil destroy him. >> i will say something, no on is going to vote for the pretend version when they coul get the real thing trump is the real thing, there is no reason to go for desantis listen to smart people thank you both so much, we wil be back in a moment. ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you

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but before we go i want to let you know that monday show is going to be really big the tennessee three stat representatives, justin pearson, justin jones, and gloria thompson will join me followin their meeting with president biden. be sure to join us but up next, my friend chris hayes, and the all in team are celebrating their tent anniversary in front of a live studio audience in miami including a very special interview with speaker nancy pelosi that starts right now. >> tonight on all in - >> i fully support efforts t take the abortion pill off the market >> an all out antiabortion pus in the courts, anti-democrac efforts and state houses, th world is watching tennessee. >> asking children to replac adults in the workplace. >> this bill puts iowa childre in danger. >> tonight, america in reverse with the former speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. and the republican primary