but this kind of love? not just a crime it was a tragedy >> that is all for this editio of dateline. i am andrea canning, thanks fo watching happy saturday >> happy saturday. >> oh my gosh, i'm feeling good wake up, go running and mornin joe weekend. -- >> and i get you coffee? >> yeah. you have to get my coffee ever weekend. >> then i go on my 20 mile run >> you don't do that, but, you know >> tim all run >> no, no. that's more like me. >> i've done that. >> all right, so it wasn't a great week for fox news, which is, finally, held accountabl for airing lies about the 2020 election we're going to get into that plus some of the week's to

stories. take a look. >> as i've heard today to make the opening i never got to give, i was reminded of the hail tha the employees went through and continue to go through to this day. money is accountability. we got that today from fox we're not done yet we've got some other people wh have accountability coming towards them >> dominion settled it defamation lawsuit against fox news with a last-minute deal yesterday afternoon. the network agreed to pay. it's a voting machine compan more than $787 million more -- moments before opening statements were set to get underway fox's lawyers did not talk t reporters yesterday, but the network put out a statement, running in part, and i hope can get through this, we acknowledge the courts rulings finding certain claims about dominion to be false this settlement reflects foxes continued commitment to th

[inaudible we are hopeful - >> my professor, professor pearson, would always talk about the straight face test don't ever make an argument. >> i can do it we need to read it >> that you can pass with straight face. >> we now hope that ou decision to resolve this dispute with dominion and th complete, instead of acrimon as a divisive trial allows the country to move forward from these issues i'm not sure that's going to happen the settlement does not requir fox to issue an on air apology it's not clear if there are an other consequences for the network. this deal does not and foxes legal issues over false claims about election fraud it is still facing a 2.7 billion dollar defamatio lawsuit from smartmatic, bac in february, a new york appeal court ruled that the suit -- could move forward >> that's where you're right o the coolly council for the - suffrage awkward, thank you so much for being with us

we talked about fox, we talked about elections, we talk about politics, we talk abou ideology, but, you know, you brought up such an important point yesterday. this is also about people, people who went to work for company and who were threatene for doing their jobs, doin their jobs fairly, and doing their jobs well. tell me, how much as a settlement is going to actuall reach those people whose lives were actually threatened >> many as a dominion employee are shareholders, or hav options another equity interest they're gonna see some of this for sure the vindication is also, the number, the number itself, als helps improve to themselves, prove to the world, exactl what fox did and that fox is taking som measure of accountability fo it for giving it the largest defamation settlement in history. >> steven, good morning, man people, observers, and eve some on the inside wer surprised at the way fox handled this, which is to say,

letting all this discovery spill out into the open, to se all the evidence that worked against them, and then just to settle in the end when the could've spread themselves som of that embarrassment. on the other side of this case are you surprised if they le it go on as long as they did >> i'm very surprised, to an extent but look, i know some people are disappointed that there' not gonna be a trial, but we had to look at is what dominio did. dominion did not settle this case last year to many major these document got out of the public record hundreds and hundreds of these documents approved just what fox is doing behind the scenes behind closed doors, when they were broadcasting these lies t all of us. i think that's an importan part of, they need to remember that, doing it live throug that mh of these documents got out there and only at th courthouse stops - willing to settle after gettin the truth out. >> i'm looking at this list of other lawsuits dominion ha outstanding -- cindy powell, mike lindell, mr. pillow patrick byrne, oan, news back.

news max what is the message to those companies, to those individuals, sent by the 787 million dollar decision >> 787 million and the documents getting out, the truth getting out, the truth i going to get out for all o them to. we have a long way to go i those other lawsuits, this lawsuit moved much faster than the other ones, but we're goin to get there >> all right, i'm curious, you've been talking abou getting the truth out and ho this has helped with that. i just want to push back a little bit, and question that, because there is a whole different world that watches fox. by the way, their number one i many ways. there are millions of viewer that will not get this news, and what do you say to that? >> i think that's a shame, but if you look at what happened i the trial, i can tell you, because i saw with their opening statements slides look like, they're gonna go insid the courtroom and they're goin to gaslight. they were meant to get ruper

murdoch up on the stan admitting that he could have stopped us and that he kne what was going on. he's gonna say he had no idea. the house are gonna say he had an open mind, so they though this could be true, and joe, your lawyer, you know how this works, or one had to come in there with the documents and prove that they were lying ove and over again when they claimed they had an open min it did know what the truth was those documents are out there. you're absolutely right, w can't make fox news report o those. we can make fox news report on the trial, even if it happened go ahead, sorry. >> couldn't you hold of her an apology though >> i think that surprised a lo of people. the expected fox to have t issue an apology for causing such a grievous harm not only to the company, but also to its employees and many would argue, to american democracy. >> i agree with everything you just said, i think the apology is a little bit the wrong thin to be asking for what we want it is the truth t get out there. forced apologies isn't worth

much, but fox, and their adult they know how to do this, if they would just tell our viewers the truth about what actually happened in the 202 election, that's what we'r after. they still have the opportunit to do that, the positions we asked them why they won't do that, they said, it's old news now. which is ironic. but, it is what it is. >> i mean, not much indication that we're gonna suddenl change an editorial track on that one last night, -- said that fox gave a press statement in which he said foxes as mid to telling lies when does fox admit to telling lies i haven't heard them say that, and frankly as that. >> they conceded the judge ruling, which ruled that the were telling lies, and honestly, they also conceded that all th court filings that came out in january and february we put in evidence, your request for a mission, where they admitted to most of the lies and then when it came time for them to oppose our - we're not going to opposes

they conceded that all of it was false. they were not going to fight falsity at trial that's an admission. it's a little complicated, maybe, if you look at the lega papers but they admitted all this i false, at least in the lawsuit >> steven, we know, of course, but there's other legal -- smartmatic has its own defamation lawsuit of course not your case, wha is the sense here, the sense that you guys have done to provide some sort of a rea math there what's your expectation for th further trouble with fox >> i hope so, i think this is romance. part medic has their own wor to do, they have their own new cover to do. i think what we've unearth gives them a good road map for their case i wish them the best >> so, i hate to do this, don't really hate to do it, mean, it'll be fun watching yo get a little nervous here. but than any, danny was on earlier today, danny swallows, he said i guarantee, just make

sure to ask him, i guarantee that every lawyer in america wants to know, did he get, did the lawyers get a straight 1:3 from this? we asked that question for danny, and every lawyer in america. >> i can't answer that, joe. i can't answer that. i'm proud to represent dominio in this case, i'm proud that i ended for them that's all i can tell you. >> now, just before we let you go, stephen, i don't think americans have any idea ho hard it is to prove defamation i said it earlier this morning i know this firsthand becaus over the past 20 years rando people have accused me of bein a murder >> not random. >> random people to people online, to the president of th united states and people o that network

every defamation lawyer i went to said, it's horrible, we understand they told me what they tol most people who want to sue fo defamation it's too hard to prove you can't prove it you can't prove state of mind. what they did was wrong, wha they did was terrible, but the standard is so high in america jurisprudence. while that's very frustratin for me, i understand i understand but i don't think american understand today, this morning what a big deal it is that fox news, not only had to settle this, but had to settle for, what you say, is the largest fee in the history of american judicial system, for decoration can you just briefly explain how hard it is to prov defamation and what a huge dea it is that they were certain t

lose this case, so they have the pay almost $800 million. >> you're exactly right, joe it should be hard to win a defamation case. you have to prove if you're public figure, you had to prov that the defamer knew that wha they were publishing was false or recklessly disregarded th truth. you had to do that wit arguments, and typically you don't get documents like thi in defamation cases. it's hard, because we want our free press to have the freedom to report and make mistakes, but this case wasn't about mistakes this case was about deliberate deception over and over an over and over again. fox knew, and fox knew that. that's why fox pay $785 millio to settle the case they knew that they were on th hook given the evidence of their deliberate lies. >> coming up, i sat down wit former president bill clinton, we talked about how to address the spike in gun violence. my exclusive interview with ou former president, next

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>> here's what former presiden bill clinton told joe in a exclusive interview. >> i don't think that it's i the news all the time, obviously school shootings shootings at bangs, shooting across america you were president whe columbine happened, and at the time, obviously, we are al horrified, but almost though of that as a one-off that's now become a regula occurrence you and i grew up in a culture where everybody, we went t church with, everybody who i in our neighborhood, they al went out hunting you've talked about shotguns growing up, same here. but it's gotten so extreme what do we do? >> one thing is pretty clear if whatever we do, we need t do it more together.

i think we need to start talking across this divide i remember when jack brooks, who was a congressman from texas, and enjoy the support o the nra and every election h was ever in, and tom fully, th speaker of the house fro washington, they both told m that when the senate put in th assault weapons ban in the crime bill, which is what wanted, that if i signed it, w would lose the house and we did and they lost their seats. because of the ability of th nra to terrify people, but als because we were beginning to lose touch with each other across cultural divides that had always existed, but hadn't been barriers you couldn't breach >> don't you think that' changing of it with, whether it's republican extremism on guns, whether it's republica extremism on abortion, you loo

at happen in kansas, would hav been in wisconsin, wha happened in michigan, don't yo think voters are finally, swin voters are finally sayin enough >> yes, i think if you look at the roe v. wade appeal, th people that went, like i michigan, went straight to the ballot box and in kansas, went straight to the ballot box, think if i urges approach we are back in the 90s on tryin to restrict assault weapons, but it's a lot of trouble. it's costly, it takes time, an they, you know, we never don the ballot boxes as much as we should have. in colorado, in 2000, when president bush man al gore - and then by nine points, o something, colorado voted fo

background checks at gun shows by 70% in a referendum a big problem with gun owner is, they say, well, what these people want to do sounds reasonable, but it is slippery slope how do i know what - i have argued that we just ought to put it all of the referendums, let people vote o it then neighbors had to talk t neighbors. they have to treat each othe like people. on my side, there are too many people who favor a lot of thes gun measures, who don't know any of these country people, and they don't understand that most of them, you would be gla to have as neighbors if your house caught on fire they come over and take your kids to safety and come back and help you put the fire out. but this whole thing has com to stand for something that' not what it's about, it'

crazy. and we need to start askin each other for help on this. this is, you know, it is not rational that we should have dramatically higher death rate among school age childre because of gun violence an than any other country in th world. a lot of people get mad abou this, thoughts and prayers, bu if you believe if you ar compelled to let kids die in order to keep your freedoms, that's sort of the way thi debate is. it reminds me of, to bring bac to - where we started talking about this, we were asking people to go to meetings who had los family members in this violence

we were asking people to go to meetings with people they knew had set off bombs. that's the way you begin again you have to do it, and i think the gun thing at home, the onl thing i will say is, i think that the people like me, who say we ought to limi ammunition clips to ten bullets, for example, we just need to start asking these people fo help asked them to come to meetings awesome to talk to us. you don't have to win them all you just as we get people wh will believe that you're not going to take your guns away you're not going to take the right to hunt and sport shoo away, you're not going to take away the right to have weapons to protect their families if they live way out of the country and a rule area does a hour, maybe two hours, for the nearest law enforcement. >> so ahead, we ar highlighting the consequence of the extreme bans on

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often die before they're born, or suffocate within minutes or hours after birth. after agonizing over what to do, deborah and her family made th extremely difficult decision t terminate the pregnancy. but her doctors and thei lawyers refused. fearful they would run afoul o florida's 15-week abortion ban just last week, republican governor ron desantis signed a law moving that ban up to si weeks. deborah's primary care docto was so frustrated with the situation, he spoke out on social media >> i have a patient who's abou 32 weeks pregnant, who found out back in november that he fetus is not going to survive. there are no developing bladde or kidneys, and therefore, - we because as a new florid abortion laws that have been passed by the republicans here

she has to carry this baby t term, which is at least 37 weeks. now, there is no doctor willin to terminate this pregnanc because of the laws that are here and the concern that th government can come after physician. >> without any other feasibl options, debra was forced to carry the pregnancy to term, delivering the baby who died shortly after birth. debra joins us now, along with her husband, lee also is this, devers primary care physician who you saw i that video, doctored david never. thank you all for joining us debra, i know this is very har and i appreciate your helpin us understand the situations and sharing your story with us i'd like you to bring us back, if you could, to the decisio to terminate can you explain why that mad the most sense, given your

situation. >> it wasn't an easy choice to make me, just the mental and physical pain that i was going to have to endure with the pregnancy, that's why we decided to go ahead an terminate the pregnancy as we, not easy as it is. knowing that, whether i woul got induced or went to ful term, the baby would pass afte birth. so, we just decided to go ahea and terminate the pregnancy, but i ended up having to go to full term. >> if you can tell us abou that, the experience of having to go to full term with a baby that you knew would not survive, and what your reaction was whe you heard that you didn't have

the option to take care of yourself and perhaps lessen th pain of the baby >> when we had found out, it was right before christmas, an it was very heartbreaking, because i knew the next couple of months was not going to b easy both mentally and physically i dealt with a lot of, i'm still dealing with a lot o depression and exciting, and just the physical pain the pregnancy because there is n amniotic fluids. there was no cushion for the baby the baby was pushing up on m ribs and my srm, i round ligament it was very painful, and i was like, i can't take any medicin because i still am pregnant.

i felt down in a dee depression and was in pain all the time >> lee, tell me your reactio when you also realized you wife didn't have the options one would think she would have in a situation like this, an what it was like to watch he go through this pain that sh was talking about, and obviously, the impact on her mental health. you all have another child a well that you need to explai the situation to >> correct so, the first emotion, o course, is anger we don't have this ability t make this decision for what wa best for our family, not onl what was best for her, but wha was best for our son to seize. to sit there and watch you belly grow and expect a siblin

and not quite understand tha the baby is not coming home, yet. and then, also, it's a part of healing. obviously, we are wanting second child, we were wantin my sinus to have a sibling t go out with, and to be able to terminate it would be able t start the healing process, possibly to start having another child. and now, because of the stress of this pregnancy on her and o her body and uterus, her docto is not telling us that w should be waiting almost another year before we even tr again. just to make sure that her bod can properly heal before starting this process. it's very, i was very angry at first, knowing that, and knowing that we didn't have th ability to make the decision for ourselves and what was bes

for us >> we reached out to the hospital that you went to for response we didn't hear back, but a spokesman for the lake whe regional health hospital system, the doctors are affiliated with, they provide a statement to th washington post when it reache out for comment. they declined to discuss deborah's case specifically, o how it is -- the new law. the spokesman's statement reads, in part, lakeland regional health complies with all law in the state of florida an they do. dr. burger, i don't even kno how you helped a patient in situation like this when you cannot actually gives the woma the harris care she needs. you spoke out on social media, what do people need to kno about terminating a pregnanc and all the differen components that go into wh this procedure is necessary fo

a woman's health and well-being. >> yeah, good morning, so, obviously, we talked a lot about, should the government b involved in a decision between a patient and their doctor i the first place. because, when we were doing follow-up appointment as par of our annual, and efforts when she told me she was pai -- and realize all this was going on, this was 31 weeks, and the the conversation but - how can i support your pregnancy, to how can i suppor you. because of the platform that i do have on social media, i asked her if they wanted to be club public at the story perhaps that other people le other know that this is goin down, to make people rally around this. really, that's why i - this is happening around the country. there's another case in texa going on, where a baby's brain is not developing and has no chance of real survival. we all want to be aware that

this is happening to people al over the place, and th unintended consequences of these types of restrictive bills, after the legislature never thought that this woul be the type of circumstanc that would happen, but i happened >> debra, i want to give the final word to you. i just want to know what you would like to say to republica lawmakers who are creating thi laws that kept you from having the options that you desperately needed >> i just feels that, i don' know, politicians should sta out of health care and let the doctors practice and treat their patients it's just how i feel, because feel like i didn't get the health care that i needed fo this pregnancy >> we'll take a look at th latest revelations in the long running friendship between a

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washington post is title clarence thomas's explanations feels a leftist. this story is outrageous in it, you write, quote, i 1969 supreme court justice abe fortas resigned after it was learned that he had accepted

then returned, $20,000 from wall street financier. thomas accepted gifts from cro worth many times that amount even accounting for inflation, and failed to report them. and then there was all the money ginni thomas has receive from right wing organization that lobby on issues before th court, plus her outrageous involvement in the stop th steal for which that led the january six 2021 capital insurrection thomas doesn't believe i affirmative action o protecting voting rights though he benefited from both. he does believe and living the good life among millionaires and billionaires whose interests he just happens to protect in his opinions. my mental image of thomas used to be of him sitting on th supreme court bench during arguments, silent an schooling. now, i see him on vacation smoking a cigar was crow and his buddies, laughing as thoug

he doesn't have a care in th world. the joke is on us. so, let's back up a little bit this is a donor, talk about wh mr. crow is an also, why isn't there, i know that there may b an essex investigation opene into this, but this seems like perhaps, something that could, i don't know, expose the justice to being completel impaired when it comes to bein able to make objective decisions. >> well, we're talking about gifts that thomas accepted fro harlan crow, who is a texa billionaire. he's the son of trammell cro who was once the biggest landlord in the country. it's a big real estate empire. harlan crow, who has a big - hitler memorabilia, let's no get into that, harlan crow gav

clarence thomas and ginn thomas these lavish vacations, including a 500,000 dollar tri to indonesia one year. it would've cost $500,000 if they paid a dime trips on his private jet, an cruising around island t island, on a super yacht, al expenses paid, plus many other vacations. you really, they go to som resort he owns >> and his mother's house. >> right, right. it's incredible, i never reported this, he neve reported a penny of thes donations. and then, harlan crow bought his mother's house and fix i up, as far as we can tell, because he let her live ther rent free. we're not sure of that there was no comment on that i take the no comment as confirmation again, he expects us to take

seriously his reading of the tiniest nuances of the constitution -- he can't read a simple disclosure form. he can't see the differenc between, you know, hospitality which may be allowed, an hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in gift including private jet, travel. it's just absurd, it's ridiculous, and he's jus laughing at us there are no - there are really no rules, certainly no punishments forensics at the supreme court which is also outrageous it's not a code, really, there's a code that covers judges in general, and the tried to follow it, they'r supposed to follow it, the didn't follow it, so what. what can anybody do to him short of impeachment and removal. that can happen, but it's no going to happen. so, here we are.

again, the joke is on us >> jean, talk about that, th code, why there isn't one. what's the historical reason thing for not having some form of accountability? there are forms of accountability for electio officials of course, there are quote cemented follow -- when it comes to lavis vacations or having your mothe 's house renovated by somebody when there could be a potentia conflict of interest why not the supreme court, and what might change because of these disclosures? i asked that, realizing that not much might change, but let's ask it anyways >> yeah, let's ask it anyway much should change, but i doub that much will change. you know, the supreme court ha the view of congress and the president has always been th supreme court, basically get to govern itself it sets its own rules, unles the supreme court has neve said any sort of really bindin rules on essex it refuses to do so. i don't think it well.

chief justice robert, he has not commented, really, on this he can't love it, he can't lov the scandal that the court has been dragged into. there's very little he can d to him, really what can you do. the chief justice is first among equals, but each justice is its own sovereign country almost and there's not much anybody can do now you would think that the supreme court of the unite states would care about having a ethics code, we care about being perceived as being cleaner in caesar's wife, bu no, they simply don't, and i don't think that is going to change >> coming up, a new docuseries takes a look at our nation's history through some of it most iconic symbols and places like fenway park, in the hallway slime --

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into discussion. he's also cofounder nkosi eo o the carlisle group, a privat investment firm by some of washington d.c.. he's the host and executiv producer of the new pbs series entitled, iconic america our symbols and stories. >> so david, let me start wher i always start i remember, i remember watchin really scott's extraordinary movie like 2025 years ago, gladiator. and his how he vigil the roman carlson, and he brought it t life, and he really did get th understanding that this was at the heart of rome, and when

read about your series, i look at it, you're doing the same thing. it is the heartbeat of boston' fenway >> correct >> and you talk about how thes extraordinary structures are a the heart of who we are at the people >> the theory behind the whole series is that informs i instantly makes a democracy. letting people know more about history is - that's what jefferson's. at the foundation of our democracy is informe citizenry. so what the series does is tak some symbols of our country, eight of them, and lets people know more about them take fenway. fenway was built in 1912, an now, it is such an important symbol to boston in our countr about baseball, that when yo go to boston, it says come t fenway it doesn't say come see the re sox, because fenway is the draw, as much as the red sox and what we try to do is t find eight symbols around th

country the different part o the country that represent america. >> and let's take a look at clip about fenway park take a look. >> when john i taylor, owner o the ball club, decided that th red sox need a new ballpark, h selected james mclaughlin, who is young architec. mclaughlin's buildings wer also scattered all over th city and so when fenway was first built, particularly that facade, it looked like the rest of the city looks so if it right into the very beginning. >> it opened in 1912, and wh doesn't have such a weird shape? short left field, in the lon right field. why don't they just make i equal? >> so the ballpark actuall fits within the city blocks. you have - inverness, brooklyn, of jersey street, and it creates this od and unique geometry of fenwa park i think it is one of the thing that makes it so special, th very very unique dimensions. >> fascinating we've all heard of the curse o the gambian, oh it's the curse

because the red sox sold bab ruth from my hometown of baltimore to the yankees fro $2, 000, it was said that they were stupid to do so, and they didn't win a world series fo 86 years now it turns out that th reason that they probably di not win a world series for 8 years is because they were unwilling to integrate tom markey would not hire an black hires and so they gave a triumph to jackie robinson and said it wasn't good enough they gave a trial to a guy named willie mays who said h wasn't good enough and so had they had severa black players, they probably would've been a better tea over that 86 years >> probably. that's boston, that's what bil russell said, i don't play for the city of boston i play for the celtics >> yeah, they've done pretty well with the that change of philosophy this is a great list, you have the hollywood sign, you have the statue of liberty, i wan to jump to one that you said maybe stood out to the most, which is stone mountain in georgia. i live down in atlanta for a long time, we would go into se that facade, and you go well there is stonewall jackson and

robert e. lee, a monument to the confederacy. >> let me explain, stone mountain for those who don't know, it's a large piece o granite that extends from th surface of the earth it's gigantic. it's been there for obviousl millions of years, and durin the early part of the 20th century, it was used for k klux klan rallies. during the part of the 20t century it was decided tha because of the lost cause, w lost the civil war, and we should memorialize the peopl that were leaders. jefferson davis, and stonewall jackson, and robert e. lee their image is carved in their and ultimately, it happened, and was dedicated by their vic president united states in 1972 spiro agnew went there and dedicated this monument to the confederacy. it tells you how the world has changed. today, it's like an amusemen park there, but the images are still there, and the debate is should we get rid of the image or keep the images that debate is going on fo quite some time. >> i remember as a undergraduate for morehouse, just seeing that and being unsettled. now juxtapose that, ston mountain, which for me represents the underbelly of

the country, in the statue o liberty, also. >> the statue of liberty is th symbol of the welcoming of our country, it was great fo different purpose. it was created by the french t improve franco america relationships, and to think th americans for ending slavery and that, in later, when emm lazarus his poem is put at the foot of, it immigrants com into the harbor going to ellis island, it became a symbol o immigration welcoming, but actually it was not designed for that it was really to memorialize the fact that we ended slavery in this country, which i thought was a good thing to do >> >> so statue of liberty o the east coast, tell us what the golden gate bridge means o the west coast >> the golden gate bridge is one of the most beautifu bridges in the world, but suppose when people wanted t have, it because people though it would be a disaster, and sa francisco hurt marin county. it took 4000 lawsuits before i was actually built that was built in only fou years. today i suspect that for som reason had to be rebuilt it wa crumbled or something, it woul take a lot of time to get bill to more than four years

it's been a symbol of ou architectural genius to buil this beautiful bridge. and i walked up and down the bridge, in its waste 27 feet either way and sadly, about 125 people year try to jump off of it now, there is nothing ther that tries to keep you fro doing that, but still about 20 something people a year to jum off. >> iconic america. our symbols and storie premiers next wednesday at 1 pm on pbs. david rubenstein, thank you so much for coming on great to see you >> thank you for having me >> hey, can you believe th first hour >> that one fast >> it always does. >> that does it for the firs hour of morning joe weekend, but hang on to your hat. we have another hour coming up right after this break we switched to liberty mutual and saved $652. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we thought we'd try electric unicycles. whoa! careful, babe! saving was definitely easier.

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of democrats think president joe biden should run again i 2024 the latest ap-norc poll this morning shows 47% of democrats wanted to run again. that's up from 37% in january, 81% democrats say that at leas they would probably support th president and the genera election if he was the nominee with 41% saying they definitel would, and 40% saying they would probably would the poll also found biden's jo approval rating at 42%, a four points from last month >> right now, senior nationa political correspondent of the washington post, ashley parker and host of msnbc' politicsnation and president o the national action network, reverend al sharpton, hey rev. look at these numbers, joe biden, he outweigh underperforms in the polls t actually is. we've seen that time to time again. we certainly saw it before the

2022 midterms, but these numbers, it reminds me of what people were saying about harry truman before his big 1948 when we are just mild about harry that's kind of how democrats have always felt about biden but he always seems to ove perform, always seems to b underestimated do you think that is the sam case here? and are you pretty sure that h is going to run and announce that next week >> i am pretty sure he's going to announce, and i'm prett sure he's being underestimated and i'm also pretty sure tha that is part of what energizes him. and to be underestimated i some of the motivation he ha to go out and do what he does. i mean if you look at this travel schedule for the last several weeks, i don't kno many presidents that have gone to as many places in that shor span of time, including th overseas trip where you di

this interview with him that w are waiting to see by the way, but i digress. but i think that he has really shown a kind of energy that yo get when you want to fight a fight that you think you are behind, or at least you're being protected as behind, but you know deep inside that yo are far better than that i think it is a motivation for him, and i think it's good for his candidacy. >> you know, actually it's s fascinating, he's one of the most underestimated people i'v seen in politics in a very lon time and by the way, not by republicans of course, they ar going to criticize him, bu democrats. and i know you hear the same thing as i do. joe biden, he's too old to run for president. in 2020. it joe biden, oh, he got embarrassed in iowa, he go embarrassed in new hampshire the old man to just go home. then he went to south carolina then he beats the six seed people who are running against him, then he's too old to be

president, and he gets elected we heard it, and i keep hearin this from democrats. oh, you know, his best days ar behind them, and then he shocked people and the democrats do with a historic historic achievement in th midterms and then you start hearing it couple weeks later, and then h delivers a state of unio address, and then people go oh my god, biden, he's back, he's ready, and then two weeks later, democrats -- i mean come on ashley, i know you hear it, hear it, this has been going o since joe biden's, i guess since he has been in politics. he's always underestimated >> you're absolutely right i am still hearing that from some democrats, especially those concerns about age but a couple of things people were close to biden hav said, and they apply this to politics, but also frankly t his life, that he is simultaneously the luckiest an unluckiest man alive a lot of personal tragedies, a

lot of political losses in presidential primaries befor he came back and won it. and if you look at biden himself, i mean he has a lot o adages in clips, but he always says, don't compare me to th almighty compare me to the alternative. if you look at my contacts which is that elections ar always about choices, an binary choices, right now he has, despite private gripes an grumbles in whispers and concerns, he has no meaningful democratic primary challenge nor is he expected to get one. he has put that all away wit the very successful midter elections. and then it will be a binary choice again between him and a republican nominee who could again be somebody like donal trump, where joe biden believe with some historical evidence, that he beat donald trump in 2020, that he will be th preferred alternative there as well >> and you know, his numbers

his numbers always seem to lag behind what people support whether you look at issues, or character traits, you go dow the list and again, there always seem to be sort of this false positive against joe biden, an he ends up proving again, time and again, proving his critics wrong. >> join us now, politica columnist for new york magazine, jonathan trait, and jonathan in your piece out this morning in new york magazine, you aske if ron desantis is not dominan for republicans? >> ouch! >> you asked in part, unlike trump, who used his way into republican politics through combination of instinct an absorbing hours a fox news desantis came to the conservative movement from the brittani and desantis's first term as governor achieved politica success in part because th pandemic allowed him to craft populist identity based on the intuitive principle of letting people do what they want now he is grown-ups last with

pretty progressive ideolog from every aspect of their lives, from the schools to the beer the drink to the cartoons their children watch in the minds of desantis and his most ardent followers, h is pursuing a historically necessary struggle, i wonder however, if republican voter are even able to follow th plot >> jonathan, this is certainly a counterintuitive argument at a time when rhonda santos keep stumbling into dark politica allies with bob iger in th world's most popular mouse waiting to just abuse hi politically, time after time is it desantis the one who's looking kind of dumb right now >> but what i'm arguing is tha he sort of overthinking it he went to south carolina this week, and he was ranting to th republican audience there abou cultural marxism and using these abstract terms, and it's

not clear to me that his audience is really clued into. i think he has generally jus become so committed to thi ideological project, i think h has kind of lost touch with ho his voters really think abou the world. and so i think he is a intelligent guy, i don't think you can really call him dom. he's making some bad mistakes, but i don't think he lacks brainpower i think he's gone too far th other way. >> so john, this i just don' understand, i've never understood this about like take i remember when you had madison cawthorn in nort carolina saying the craziest thing on the planet. craziest things time after time and i sat there thinking, if that dude would just say, let' taxes less spending fewe regulations stronger america he would have been reelected with 85% of the vote for the rest of his life in that district and it just like desantis.

if desantis did a main street, less taxes, less spending, mor freedom, and a stronge military, i think, it's just like trump trump would've won in 2020 i he had gone that route why did they all kee overthinking this, and getting engaged in these cultural wars that they are losing time afte time after time? >> look, i don't want to defen desantis, but in his defense he has something trickier than just winning in a republican district like madison cawthorn he's trying to knock off donal trump, who is a beloved figure to the republicans so he is trying to do this complicated dance where he says, i will be everything tha donald trump was, but withou the stuff that you don't like. but without also saying, the stuff that you don't like is sort of hinting at what th stuff is so he is really trying t maneuver through this comple terrain. but i think he is really kin

of over intellectualized, and think he is generally come t believe this theory that they've got to use governmen power to take on this woke conspiracy that is used its wa into all of these aspects of american life. and so i think he has become kind of a fanatical about it and lost sight of what he is really trying to do here, whic is when the nomination >> coming up, gop lawmaker holding new york city fiel hearing on the attack agains manhattan d.a. alvin bragg how did this play out beyond the trump base our panel weighs in. hungry? thank you, chef. control for parents. nice. one bank for both. chase. make more of what's yours.

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the attack against manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg who is leading the crimina prosecution against donald trump there. >> the district attorney justice isn't blind, it's abou looking for opportunities to defense and political agenda, radical political agenda >> it is shameful that the republics of this committe would use the pretext of violent crime as an excuse t play tourist in new york employee the district attorney >> mr. bragg, i hope you'r watching, i hope you'r watching today, sir. you're a disgrace, you're danger to this country >> this isn't governments, it' not working for the american people, it's grandstanding it's a stunt, just look at all the cameras here >> this, unfortunately, as w get into biden's american alvi bragg new york city. >> the republican witnesses wh have used their time t criticize district attorne bragg has served as props in a mega broadway production

>> my god. >> you have this parade of congressional republicans from all over the country comin into lower manhattan purely in the name of defending donald trump. they're putting the next on th line for the guy because i kno it plays well back in thei districts. that's all this is, they can't care about crime in new york city, obviously. it's something to do with thei district so, it doesn't get anything ou of this, maybe other than it's a good hit on cable news network or podcast or some other voters like it it's a productive in any other way for them >> i don't see where it woul be productive in any other way and i don't even know how they get that much of a hit in thei local cable stations you must remember, alvin bragg the dea they were attackin yesterday, it's the same day a year ago that -- i was criticized, and wa lauded and applauded by many o them about five days before th grand jury i repeat, the grand jury

indicted donald trump five day before, when donald trum thought they were not going to do he come into the grand jury process and how proud he was and then he got indicted fiv days later, all of a sudden, he's the three alvin bragg's whole plot i think a lot of that took leasing out of some of their supporters it's like, wait a minute, we might be right wing but we'r not stupid this is ridiculous -- is ridiculous. you are talking a man that to was age resign because h wouldn't indict him a year before one wrote a book, and now he has a political agenda, what was it, a delayed politica agenda i think that it was so ludicrous that people couldn't take it seriously. if it was a broadway productio as - said - >> it just seems like th republicans keep taking up gestures and issues that are i sync with the american people.

again, it may work locally, or within the realm of the trum base for the jordan. i don't understand what member of the republican party -- that this is a great idea. >> certainly, it's not a general election strategy. we can agree with that at the same time, it is as absurd as it is, it is a circus, it is just disturbing elemen of some anti-democrati sentiment at play here this was a manhattan jury that is doing its duty, and voting, either way, regardless of ho they voted, this is part of th democratic process that is now under attack from a federal branch of congress and there's n justification for it additionally, there's really a control issue of trying to racialized, i would say, the prosecution, as this is a blas

district attorney from a big city and that's why he's going after donald trump, and let' undermine that -- donald trump's conduct and the judicial system. so, i actually think that is a play here, and those of th undertones are dealing with. >> i suspect we'll get the exact same play both out o fulton county georgia's two. another -- with that district attorney as well i certainly would not be surprised if we had republican-led field hearing t it, in atlanta georgia it's worth >> stepping back an just remembering what they'r defending, which is that h allegedly had an affair with a porn star. >> no one saying he did it >> he claims he didn't that he paid off a poor star to stay quiet about thei affair ahead of th presidential election while hi wife was home with their infan child. that's what they're runnin interference for on donald trump. >> interference for that >> but the crime he wa indicted for was falsifyin business records it is chairman jordan and th

committee saying to those on wall street, that you ca falsified business records it's not a serious crime -- here in new york, where wall street is, where the captain of industry is, and they are really sanitizing, falsifyin business records that is a crime. that's a major crime >> and eye strain of assange neither, kdka, not one republican, not one, not one i saying, how dare you defame th name of our former president donald trump he would never pay off por star stormy daniels for anothe playboy model or bunny, or however they say it. he would never do that never, never please don't say that about ou leader no one is saying that >> no, that's not something tha you're hearing ever since access hollywoo came out with donald trump

saying he can do whatever he wants and he could grab them b the acts, i think the bar ha been so low for his behavior towards women, not much of the countless suits that have been against him on charges o harassment, even charges o rape against him that's just, it's not possible argument fo republicans to raise, that thi is somebody that doesn't have history of talking about women in this way, and therefore potentially a history of treating women in this way which is why you're not hearin it the question is going to b whether there are any vote that get switch because of alvin bragg's case or becaus of donald trump's history with women, which we have not see so far the degree to which republican voters or trump supporters - whatever the revelations tha come out about his persona behavior they think to stick with him >> they do pictures with jeffrey epstein, the list goes on, and yet, the have their field hearings. they continue to push th

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finger - is alex eating t.j. >> okay, it's off now. during that conversation >> it works, but we can hear anyways, continue. >> what people said is, florida, the florida that we live in wa created when what disney said, i want to build something in the middle of florida. >> with a mouse. >> and floridians take great pride in it. i got friends, right win friends, evangelical friends republican friends that have never voted for a democrat i the election they take their kids to disney >> love disney world, magi kingdom. >> they take great pride in it this is just a great example again, a republicans overplaying. it's stupid. ron desantis attacking disney. never made any sense to me they make sense to podcasters,

it makes sense to people tha had to just get a small sliver of the audience and they mak millions of dollars. it's never made sens politically in the state o florida or in america. he's taking on mickey mouse, but now, mickey mouse has bras knuckles because he's taken on bob iger i don't know if you've eve gotten into a fight with bob iger, i have not, thank god, that's why i'm still here on tv >> do not do that. >> but you don't do that, an iger is making him look like a fool and by the way, he so unafraid of ron desantis that - we're going to throw the vegas lbj dq celebration in th history of the world on main street disney. >> and the magic kingdom >> and you know what he can do that, because he can do that and people will still come t disney why? because they love walt's knee.

long after ron desantis is lobbying for the corncob maker of america and help tallahasse florida, walt disney will stil be attracting millions and millions of people from across america every year >> being corncob is a big lobb in florida to we - >> are set for years, but yeah do your point, it's not just a feeling people have, in th state of florida, it's a entire economy -- it's not just not part, it's all the ancillary stuff that comes with a bob iger has come out and said we have billions more to spend in the coming years. we're going to be here let's remember what this i about for governor desantis. this is about one piece of legislation that the former ce of disney objected to. we can talk about that legislation as a separat matter, but ron desantis i willing to die on this political hill over that one issue. he's trying to fight disney, which is absolutely popular in the state of florida and of th

country if you want to run for president. >> one issue came trump a huge opening to criticize him, an went after him really hard o social media his original pr plan fizzled so now he's going back with new one in order to save face. disease next move will - there's no money will be invested in florida because of the governor it goes on >> shocked, shocked, that ro desantis is engaging in political stunt. >> right wonderful hypocrisy that we ar very used to >> donny, let's just tal branding again - you just can't, you can't beat disney you just can't beat it by the way, there may be som things that disney doesn't everybody doesn't agree with there is stuff that majo league baseball does, the nf does, that you name th institution, that everybody is not going to agree with. the nfl, who i heard several

years ago, - nobody is going to watch nfl joe, i self-washing the nfl. the nfl seriously, seriously, feel really bad for roger coul tell, because he seriously he's got to have horrible back problems from carrying all the golden bull yarn all the money that they make it's insanity. it's the same thing with his knee, same things with disney. he's taking them on for some stupid woke thing that mos people don't even understand >> he talked about the brand o disney, what is it it's america, it's family. you're taking on america you'r taking on family that's the irony of this they're all about family value and are taking on the compan that's - built on family values and politically togetherness >> it doesn't make sense >> joe, you also talked in the past, and i agree with this, desantis wants the - going to start to build little bit you just see, he's got n answers, he's got no punches he's fighting a fight he can't win.

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torn nation, the white house has announced it will send $32 million in a new securit package. this one includes additional funding for high mobility of artillery rockets and -- it will also provide mor weaponry and ammunition, namel over 9 million rounds of small arms ammunition. as ukrainian troops on the front line reported a deal wit shortages. monday will mark 14 months o war in the eastern europe, including after a long winter. as the weather warms up in ukraine, the u.s. and it allies are reportedl struggling to keep western weapons technology out o russia's hands for more, let's bring in new york times reporter recovering trade and economics, ann swanson. anna, what more can you tell u about this >> the united states and its allies have been steadil expanding restrictions on chips, which are necessary for tank and weapons, as well a

everything's like, cars an toasters russia is getting more creativ and how it obtains these chips so, we are seeing a surge in shipments of chips or countrie like armenia and cars extend u.s. ships are showing up in russell russian missiles we've also obtained the firs information of weaponry, russian weaponry recovered fro the battlefield, containin ships that were manufactured after the war began. so, u.s. officials are clearly concerned about these -- with documents from a meetin in march, showing as much. i think is just testament to how difficult it is to polic this global flow of chips. -- globally, last year. it's very difficult for th united states to control >> do we know how much we're going to bypass to russia? >> it's, you know, at the leve of tens of millions of dollars it is a very worrying trend. u.s. officials say that th

sanctions are working to slo russia down, and that sanction will never be 100% watertight. it's a game of adaptation. i think all of this does i underscore that you united states has a very big challeng for itself when it comes t controlling this global flow o technology that russia needs for its weaponry >> yeah, talk about not only how this impacts the war and perhaps is playing int russia's hands, but othe countries helping with providing technology >> yes, so, there has been thi surge of shipments, as i was saying, through central asia companies, and in particular countries that share a lan border or historic ties with russia we've also seen really notable rise in shipments of chips fro china and hong kong into russia. that's very difficult for th united states to police. u.s. officials are crackin down on this when they fin companies or people that the

are sure are bringing thos shank -- they do levy penalties, bu it's kind of a game of whack-a-mole, according to people who follow this closely >> we'll say on this, thank yo so much, new york time reporter, ana swanson. thank you. joining us now, adviser of ukraine's minister of defense, ari salk we've been hearing a lot about the need for adequate ai defense -- and, have you gotten, tell u where you stand now in terms o having equipment in this department, in this area, an how much more you need >> well, incidentally, it wa just yesterday that we receive the first patriot system, firs patriot air defense system t ukraine and -- very helpful you know, ukraine is a large country, and we need more ai defenses, such as patriots - but more importantly, we are

desperately needing the fortun aircraft, the air 16th there are over for thousands o these which the u.s. and allie have, and we are just asking for 1% of those. even 40 would be a game-changer air defenses, more tha aircraft, they have six scenes that will improve significantl era defense capabilities even if you look at th military doctrine of the u.s., it clearly says that without air supremacy and ai superiority, militar operations have a radical risk of increase in the number of losses we need aircraft, we need f-16s, and we have that tomorrow' meeting will bring us closer t that decision. >> of course, the need for thi equipment ammunition is in par because our ukraine expected t soon launch its must anticipated spring crown terrace iv give us a sense, if you will as who has a nation is feeling as a prepares for what could b

a vital inflection point in th future of the conflict -- to show progress in order to make sure that allies keep the help coming? >> well, you know, one year ago, even more than one year ago now, this large scale invasion began, everest, for ukrainians, every day that we are able to resist the enemy and repelled the enemy is a small victory of course, right now, we are all mentally preparing for the counter offensive. just to illustrate to you th state of mind that we're i now. a very close friend of mine, his father's 62 years old, h joined the ukraine arm voluntarily, he went to th front, he's actually suffering from on college-y, but at th same time, he was wounded, h lost his leg, and he's now going back to the battlefiel because everybody wants to end this war quick we cannot continue to lose our best people on a daily basis our cities are decimated, ou

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verdict, but the settlement, and the fact that anothe massive settlement is headed foxes way, that they're goin to have to pay out, i' wondering, do you sense that there's a bit of gravity returning? that words actually do matter? that people do actually, in th end, get held accountable fo their actions, whether it's in court about these voting machines, or whether it' january six defendants >> i'm with you, i listen to you guys every morning, and feel the same frustrations you do that there seems to be no accountability for misty's i the country right now. and, i think, other than dominion, i think dominion - i don't think it run o principle, i think one financially, i think the should have exacted an apology -- that would be on air from fox. i think the first amendmen took a hit because those sam lawyers that are defending

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bowling alley to the gol course, sports and politic have become increasingly linke over the past few decades. joining us now, politica commentator, chris alyssa, he' i was a new book this week exploring the rules in sport have played in the lives of ou country's leaders. it's called power players, sports, politics and the american presidency. chris, congratulations on th book >> thank you sir >> it's great to see you we've got to start with george w. bush sewing that pitch. it's when we talk about a lot, he's wearing a flat jacket where the empire is up the line, it's actually a secret service agents, and yes, derek jeter warm some up underneath an that yankee stadium. >> i think that's my favorit part, willie bush is warming up underneat yankee stadium he's throwing, you know, and their jeter is facing th yankees, he comes up and says, are you going to throw it from the mound? the actual mound the rubber on the mound. and bushes, well i was thinkin of throwing it from the fron of the mound, he want to mak sure he got it there jeter says, i think he shoul throw it from the mound. and then as he is walking out,

he says, and don't bounce it so now bush, by his ow admission, who was somewha nervous about doing this, is that really nervous about it i do think that in that moment it sort of the seminal moment, a centerpiece of the book, which is, the country needed that when you hear him introduc that night, the crowd is a little bit quiet they're nervous. there have been threats on george bush's life at that event. him throwing that strike, think, was a way to say that w can do this. i'm here, we are here, yeah got a bulletproof vest on, but answering it right down th middle, and the crowd, as yo hear, goes bananas >> chris, i want to ask yo about eisenhower's white president, richard nixon, an when he became president, he was known as distorts fan. he was famously called in play to nfl for -- you talk about his favorit sport and why it's so revealin tunics in the man and th

president. >> nixon love to bowl, which i seems weird, and you are shown that famous picture of him bowling, right all people know that picture he had lanes installed in th white house, and this is, it's a little bit weird, i will war you. at 10:00 at night, most nights richard nixon would retire t those lanes and bowl between seven and 12 games by himself. yeah it's a lot of games he said it relaxed him and - i think for him, nixon as loner president, as the guys who are we struggle with small talk, as a guy who's not comfortable, particularl comfortable around people. the atf emboldened by himself, literally bowling alone, i think is a pretty powerful - and one more quick thing o nixon. he was the biggest sport fanatic that we ever had as president. he knew the stats, the history the players, particularly in baseball he's a guy who had collin if there is for talk radio back then he would be calling in and complaining about, you know, aaron judge is oh p.s. is wa

lower than it needs to be. that was who nixon was not a good natural athlete, by the way. he was a tackling dummy at weiner college when he playe football that's his best rate, when h would get up after getting knocked down, the coach said he was upset, obsessed wit sports >> and a good bowler, as we se in those photographs nice release point, guess alik up in the back he's got the whole thing you're going to get good >> he bowls a 2:30 at on point. seven straight strikes he was not a bad polar bowling was cooler back then that's one thing i'd say >> bowling is still cool, man. [muted] [laughter] >> we go bowling at a christma party. >> bowling at 9:30 in th morning. >> nice, empty lanes power players, plus politics the american presidency is a lot of fun we've only scratched the surface, including the fac that president george h. w bush - met babe ruth.

we'll do the math on that on when you read the book >> chris, alyssa, congrats thanks for being here, good to see you. >> that does it for morning jo weekend, we're going to be bac monday at 6 am eastern remember, 12 hours a day, or something like that, have great rest of the day, have great weekend. this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida we've got lots of news to cove and lots of questions to answer, so let's get started supreme decision in the biggest ruling since th overturning of roe v. wade, th supreme court temporaril preserves access to one of the most commonly used abortio pills on the market. the battle is far from over. where two things go from here? we'll break it down, straigh ahead. lost, deadly legislation just weeks after a shootin spree at a nashville school, tennessee republicans make a major move to protec