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transgender women and girl from playing sports on the tea is consistent with their gende identity a big reminder that the cultur wars we are seeing around th country, and especially in places like florida or the playbook, not a distraction. and america's reeling from a recent string of shootings teenagers or young adults shot and even killed for making a simple mistake we are talking to a safety advocate in and a shooting survivor of the gunman epidemi here in america. you are watching symone, and w have got a lot to get to ♪ ♪ ♪ >> >> we begin with that consequential decision from th united states supreme court. on friday evening the cour preserved full access to mifepristone, the most commo abortion about method in the united states. at least for now the ruling revolves around a

lower court decision on th abortion pill, earlier thi month u.s. district judg matthew kacsmaryk invalidate the food and dru administration's longtim approval of the drug the order reversed years of fd rulings designed to broade access to mifepristone b limiting its usage from te weeks to seven weeks into pregnancy. and suspending the ability t access the pill through th mail such limitations would hav caused restrictions on the medicine even in states wher abortion is still legal. two of the high court's most conservative justices, clarenc thomas and samuel alit launched their opposition to the state. in this dissent, illegal argue that, quote, the applicants ar not entitled to a stay because they have not shown that the are likely to suffer irreparable harm in th interim. and in less than a month, th case will be back before a three person panel - for, now nancy north, presiden of the center for th reproductive rights is suppressing police, let's take a listen >> woke up this morning, still

hugely relieved that at leas for the next, i don't know, si weeks, two months, we are goin to be able to have medicatio abortion mifepristone availabl as it was before thi litigation we are not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination we shouldn't have ever bee here to begin with >> currently medicatio abortions are legal in 2 states, and washington d.c.. in 50 states when described by a doctor but they are banned in 1 states despite the supreme court' decision, the threat t abortion access in a post-ro america? well, it is still very muc alive. here to discuss is msnbc legal analyst and former u.s attorney joyce vance, and mini timmaraju president of naral pro-choice america welcome to you both. this is a very interesting moment, joyce. this fight is hitting back t the fifth circuit.

what should be looking out for this time? >> i don't share the optimisti take that other people hav expressed. i suspect that the reason that this stays in place is because a number of conservative justices, the same people wh refused to stay measures lik -- in texas held their noses and implemented this state to avoi a pending the entire fda approval process that may or may not bode wel for where this litigatio ultimately ends up the fifth circuit will now consider the entirety of judge kacsmaryk's ruling and particularly they ar likely to focus on his decisio that the fda had inadequat information and approved a unsafe drug. you know, too many of us tha seems like a bizarre ruling fo a panel of judges to undertake it is a matter of medica expertise. and fda discretion, but that i the next decision that the fifth circuit will make. this litigation, as it

progresses >> joyce, i want to follow u on something else that the justice department said. justice alito noted in his dissent that if a state was no granted then this wouldn't remove mifepristone from the market but, quote, simply restore the circumstances that existed fro 2000 to 2016 under the presidential administrations is that the full truth here? or is there more that alit it's picking at? >> while alito seems to be ver nimble about taking on position to reach an outcome that he likes, ending access t abortion and another position when it necessary to get to that sam approach so for instance, in litigation during the covid pandemic, whe the rules around mifepriston were released, he found himsel thinking it was inappropriat for judges to take this sort o action in the face of fd approval now he is okay with a judg overruling the fda

there is nothing consisten here it is a very hypocritica exercise, this is exactly th sort of judging that justice alito for years has accused th progressives of engaging in. this is just raw judicia activism >> mini, i want to get you response to what the applicant with alito also said about the applicants not sufficiently showing the were likely to suffe irreparable harm if the stay was not granted. how do you read that >> i have to agree wholeheartedly with joyce, justice alito is obviously really picking and choosing hi arguments based on the outcome he desired look, he irreparable harm's to the patients and the providers but also the very authority of the fda itself, and al americans who consume products authorized and approved by the fda. so it is almost laughable. and the bottom line is, what m colleague --

this case should have neve been heard it is ridiculous plaintiffs definitely did no have standing. the fact that it's not this fa as shocking and should reall concern legal scholars of al backgrounds. >> actually, joyce, many raise a question that has kind o been eating at me a little bit here because this kind of case, the way it has been presented, bot at the circuit level and now the supreme court, it raises some far reaching implications from the power congress. that have, for example, then delegated to the food and drug administration for more than 8 years. how do you read that and what should we be concerne about going forward with thi sort of judicial intrusion int the space that is relegated to fda by congress? >> that ends up being the foca point for this case as i continues on appeal. the fda has a lot of discretio as other agencies do to act.

it has discretion about how it achieves its mandate and the job that it is asked t do by the executive branch under congressional litigation talking about the extent of it authority. and so typically there has bee great deference given to decisions made about scientist and about safety and also, and this i appropriate for mifepristone for what sort of realms thes sort of conditions that ar used to make sure that a job a applied as prescribed is dealt with safely. and so that has always bee left to the sound discretion o the fda, unless there is a procedural misstep perhaps in the approva process. or something like that that is not apparent here. so in the fifth circuit, but i think particularly in th united states supreme court, this will become a case that administrative law, about th interaction between th branches of government and perhaps the fact that it i less about abortion and more about a process that could upend the entire fda approva

process and have reall tremendous impacts on drug developers and manufacturers that may ultimately be something that causes compromise that saves access t this drug. >> so joyce, i want you to rol with me on this next one just a little bit, to go to point that i think is really interesting. it appears that the ruling o this was a 7 to 2 decision the decision that struck dow roe v. wade, for example las year, was a 5 to 3 decision. with the cheese dust justice concurring in judgment but not in agreement with the complete reversal so hear me out here, joyce does this signal anything to you about a possible decisio otherwise for dobbs if there have not had not been a leak o that decision earlier on in th process that sort of tainted the judicial approach to tha decision >> supreme court math is alway sort of a fun game to play, think it is one of my favorite

exercises. obviously we are speculating you know, the first thing is w don't know where the vote wa here on the injunction we know that two justices made their votes public it is possible that there coul be another justice who did not put their name down as someone who had dissented from the grant of the injunction. but in reality, i think th dobbs opinion was baked in fro the minute donald trump go three supreme court justices o the court during his a tenur as president that was the goal. that was the stated goal it was explicit. and the justices who testified before the senate in their confirmation hearings, the danced all around the issue of whether or not they woul enforce precedent. leaving themselves sufficien with room for the dobb decision - reversed almost 50 years o abortion rights for american women. >> mini, given the good counse she is, joyce has put a little pinprick in my balloon there so i will ask you. why do you think this outcom was different?

at least for now and to me this sounds like a moderation of this court at least on this particula aspect what do you think? >> well a couple of things, think the business case here pharma weighing in, the a.m.a. the medical industry in genera weighing in was very helpful and underscore that this is no just a fundamental freedom question but it is a authority of the fbi and how that coul this regulate business in fron of the fda question. i think that was helpful but more importantly, you know this court is going through significant legitimacy crisis. approvals for's court are th lowest man ever been, this i coming, this decision is in th wake of multiple ethic challenges and scandal involving clarence thomas. he senate judiciary committe hearing where they asked - to show up in the senate so i don't know, joyce is th expert, but i don't know tha you can decouple the politic from this extremist court. and is so important that s many of our organizations ar

now mobilizing around cour reform you have seen in the last fe weeks are organizations coming together, you take thi campaign to the american voters, get ready for a 2024 where the court is definitely on the ballot and how congress treats the court and regulates th court is definitely a to priority for american voters >> many, i want to follow up o your point there, because if your court follows its trend against abortion rights an essentially bans mifepristone. what do you think can be don with respect to medication abortion access going forward? >> there is some regulator steps that can happen. we know manufacturers will immediately apply fo re-authorization that is a lengthy process. but it will immediately hopefu happen the fda has many steps tha they need to take to comply. that should buy a little bit o time for providers and patient to figure things out and the good news is the medication abortions are jus mifepristone there is another drug, it is called misoprostol and actually, we talk abou medication abortion, we ar

talking about the combinatio of the two drugs miss apostle was not part of this litigation. so it will continue to b available to people across the country. but in an abortion acces crisis in this country, th most popular form, the mos popular combination of medication abortion, mifepristone plus misoprosto should be available to any patient or provider who seek it and that is the fundamenta challenge. in this moment, going back and forth from court decision to court decision in the middle o an abortion access crisis with 18 states with an abortion ban it is unconscionable that we should be dealing with this at all. >> joyce vance and min timmaraju, i think you both, appreciate the conversation. between abortion bans an targeting trans kids, national republicans have gone through somewhat jekyll and hyde lik transformation from the part of small government to the party that tells adults what t do with their bodies or how to raise their kids so what can democrats do about it that is what we are talkin about next, with florida

congresswoman who has a fron row seat to the gop's wild shift in the state but first, jessica lanny i here with today's other to news stories jessica? >> hi michael, thank, you th u.s. embassy incident is urgin american citizens to shelter i place. nearly a week into heavy fighting between the countries army and a rival parliamentary group. two sources say the bide administration is now leanin toward evacuating several doze u.s. government personnel wh are still on the ground. more massive protests in israe today, tens of thousands takin to the streets to oppose the judicial plans of prim minister benjamin netanyahu. this comes after the longtim leader caved to public pressur last month, pausing his plan t give politicians greater say i judiciary appointments and decisions. now news here at home, recover mode for the middle of the country after severe storm pummeled states from texas all the way up to illinois knocking power out t thousands. parts of texas still cleanin up after severe flooding, some

people were forced to quit literally swim to their vehicle. golf ball sized hail slammed parts of the midwest, and th governor of oklahoma has declared a state of emergenc in the wake of a deadly ef tornado that tore throug earlier this week, killing three people i'm jessica layton, michael is back with more simon after thi break. these are the upshaws. though, he goes by shaw. which stands for skilled hands at work. from cutting hair, and mowing grass, to roasting marshmallows. he's got a grasp on what matters most. there's a story in every piece of land. run with us on a john deere tractor and start telling yours. get a 1 series tractor starting at $134 per month. learn more at johndeere.com/1series you're doing business in an app driven, multi-cloud world. that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation

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america. for fairness and for families, most importantly for femal athletes house republicans pledge before the last election in ou commitment to america to protect women and girls in sports today we kept that promise >> that was republican house speaker kevin mccarthy celebrating after republican in the chamber approved measure to ban transgender athletes from participating in women's or girls sports.

sports teams at schools an colleges that receive federa funding. the bill almost certainly won' reach president biden's desk because of the democrati majority in the senate but it does reflect the partie continued efforts to elevate the culture war against lgbt americans and their politica interests across the board efforts that continue to surge at the state level the aclu has tracked 469 ant lgbtq bills introduced in stat legislatures across the countr just this year that includes at least ten bills in florida where the state's republican governor an potential presidential candidate ron desantis has mad such policies a priority for his administration the florida board of education also recently expanded the states parental rights and education bill known to most a the don't say gay law. and now extends to all secondary grades banning any instruction on sexuality o gender identity that aren' part of a voluntary course o reproduction joining me now to discuss is

democratic congresswoman sheil cherfilus-mccormick of florida i welcome, you so happy to hav you. i -- voted against this bill in the house on thursday. what made you vote no? >> well the bill lacks empathy when we look at how many transgender children are actually participating i sports, it is actually muc less i mean, we look at how many of our children are looking for a place to belong. that is really what we want to focus on how many of our kids are gonna be impacted negatively by this we are not really looking at children who, there is not a big flux of treasure childre who are participating in these sports that will put our girls at risk. but we have a bigger risk of making allegations fee alienated. especially on transgender kids who we see that the suicid risk and the suicide ideologie are much higher. so our focus really needs to b on not dividing our country or even pulling away from empathy but empathizing with our children who are trying to figure out where they actually fit in in our society. and it seems like this kind of legislation keeps on pushing

the extreme maga agenda. and not focusing on what peopl are really concerned about right now. which is gun violence, makin sure that everyone has a sea at the table and our pocketbook issues. >> congresswoman, your state has become the epicenter o anti lgbtq legislation the florida legislature fo example is considering a bil that would allow the state t temporarily seize trans kids from the parents, i mean, just the thought, right if they are receiving gender affirming care a district neighboring yours chose to cancel its prid parade due to an anti drag bil that the governor is expecte to sign. what are democrats doing o thinking about doing to counte this, both at the state leve and the federal level? >> well we are continuing to push what is really going on here this is actually a fight against people living thei true state of independents living in their true state living their truth and people have shown that the republicans are pushing

hateful message that is really going throughout our country i this day it seems like every other week governors putting fort legislation that is attacking certain group. we have the don't say gay bill now they are expanding it to more - won't be able to emphasize wit children and other people wh are living in this state but we also see them attacking the black community. and it seems like the maga republicans have taken over th party. especially in florida. the lack of empathy is just on realistic from what we are seeing but we are seeing this all across the board especially the other legislation that is really hurting our families and when i go through th community and i talk to people they are like, enough is enough why are we doing so much and targeting the lgbtq communit so much? when we have real issues tha we care about. real issues that are going on. and the expansion of even gu rights in our state is jus atrocious as we face a gun violence phenomenon and crisis we talk about people-centere issues, we're bringing bills t the floor that deal with

people-centered issues, but we are focusing on the promises o america. and that is that everyone has right to lead live in dignit and freedom and equality so for the reason why ou governor continues to attack equality on all levels the team continues to attack our trans children, it jus boulders me that as a parent i actually frustrates me and angers me that he continues to do this as we amplify this hat speech, as we are amplifying against our children this is what is destroying the fiber of our country we see hate just growing throughout our country exponentially. and it is because of this. the positions of the republicans. >> congresswoman, i appreciate and identify with that frustration, particularly as a small government conservative. i am watching government governor desantis is now jus showing his outright eagerness to legislate morality. which seems at odds with the very concept of smal government conservatism or tha small government platform that

republicans have touted fo decades. all that is now thrown up in the air. do you think this will be challenge for him if he trie to run for that republican nomination in 2024 how does he square that with the floridians and the country >> i think it is definitel going to be a challenge. because what we are seeing right now is his fixation on fighting america's freedoms. although he tells us tha florida is free, he actually i against freedom. he only prefers his type o freedom for his type of people and that is not what our country is actually made of. and i think we will star seeing that his fixation against the lgbtq community is fixation against african american history and education and african american community it is just going to grow as he starts campaigning throughou the entire country and they are going to have a real close look at what we can deal with in florida and when you see what we hav been doing with in florida what our businesses are facing it is just, it is eroding ou state, and it is important tha we focus on what the busines

community is feeling about thi also, his fixation on disney because of the lgbtq community where he won't let this go he keeps moving forward and he keeps igniting this fire wit disney what it really means is that even if you are a corporat entity, if you are a business, if you are a person and you ar not following his way of morality, he will attack you and he won't stop attacking you, he will fixate on you until yo yield to his ways. and this is exactly what dictators do at this point we need to loo and labeled him for what he is he is a dictator who believe there is only one way of life, one way of morality, and everybody must objec themselves to that >> well we have a sense wh florida is at the epicenter. congresswoman sheila x fearless mccormick, thank yo so much, appreciated if you learn anything in the u.s. and the pass weeks, you can be shot by simply ring the wrong doorbell like ralph yarl in missouri. or pulling into the wron driveway like caitlin gilles in new york or getting into the wrong ca

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and it is happening. the shootings of 16-year-old ralph yarl in missouri 20-year-old caitlin gilles i new york, and to high school cheerleaders in texas, they ar just a glimpse of how gu violence is overtaking communities across the nation. incidents in north carolina, alabama, and michigan are also under scrutiny where young victims were shot when the were believing they were in safe space a teenager in michigan was jus asking for directions in north carolina, a six-year-old, six-year-old was shot trying t retrieve a ball from a neighbor's yard. those three states have some o the country's most relaxed gun laws and it begs the question, when is it time for america to ge serious about gun violence is it now? when is it joining me now is executiv director of community justic action fund and gun violence survivor gregory jackson gregory, it is great to have you. you know, give me a sense, tal to me about the impact tha

local communities in state with more relaxed gun laws are having not just in those communities but across the country when we start talkin about gun violence and this gu debate >> yeah, i mean, this is a broad public health crisis for our entire country since 2019 we have seen abou 100 and 72% increase in 18 homicides, 45% increase in black homicides. and if you look at the numbers by community, we are surging i every category there is also a direct correlation between the states that have these weaker gun laws, states like mississippi, i louisiana. they are now the deadliest states in our country. they also have the highest level of incarceration but also have the weakest leve of gun laws. i'm so we know that there is a real serious connection betwee the efforts of our state legislatures and governors t make those policy changes an allow lives to be lost every day. >> greg this is what i don't get. right now in america you hav

to go to a background check to adopt a puppy. okay you do you hear me you have to go through a background check to adopt puppy. but you don't have to go through a background check t own a gun in many many state now. why are there so many loophole being created when it comes to guns >> well the real challenge that we are not listening to the communities that are mos impacted you know, survivors have spoke out loud and clear, they wan stronger gun laws and common sense gun laws to change things we have seen law enforcement come out and speak and state like florida and all over th country to say that we nee action and we need mor protections. but yet we have seen legislators passed 26 states this permit-less carry approac to addressing gun violence and i really think that we nee to think about how do we put the community back in safety and start to think about the people that are being impacted and not just this big gu industry that is makin billions off the deaths of s many people in our country >> let's shift to race

everyone gets nervous when you do that. but it isn't enjoying thread amongst a lot of those conversations. the shooting of ralph yarl is good example where this is a case where that gun culture an ray sort of came together. can you speak to what happen when you had guns into the mix of racism and prejudice? >> yeah, i mean, personally am a survivor of gun violence. i was shot ten years ago actually as of yesterday exactly. and i was shot as an innocen bystander. one of the first things experienced was when i went to the hospital i wasn't met with nurses and practitioners, i wa met with investigators tha question to me about why i was a bystander and what i was doing on the scene really looked at me as a criminal first and a victims second unfortunately that is what w are seeing across the country. this is a public health crisis but in black and brown communities this is seen as crime control only crisis. and what is happening is the legislation is encouraging harsher incarceration, harsher sentencing policies.

but then we are also seein this big surge in thes stand-your-ground are what w like to consider shoot first laws that encourage people t take legal action before evading. those that type of situation costas ralph yarl, that is exactly what cost us the lives of people like ahmaud arbery and every day there are so man black and brown folks across the country that are losin their lives to this crisis and this type of reaction. and just because it is not filmed and just because it i not all on cnn or msnbc does not mean it is not important i mean, gun violence is now th number one cause of prematur death for all youth, for black youth it has been the number one cause since 2006 and this is also the number on cause of premature death for black men, number two fo latino and number two for black women so this crisis is not just something that is a fringe issue. something we see when there is a headline no, this is something that black and brown communities ar suffering from every day and we are not the one profiting from it. who is profiting are these major gun industries and w have to step up and provid more regulations but also more resources for th

communities that have suffered >> gregory jackson, appreciate your insight very very much, thank you. sources say president biden ma be very close, i mean, ver close to making his 2024 plans official one small problem? a new poll says that not man americans want him to. 26% to be exact. coming up, my all-star political panel joins me t talk about, yes, how he migh be able to overcome that and a whole lot more u about it. wait what? get it before it's gone on the subway app! president joe biden is expecte

to make his 2024 reelectio beneficial next week potentially as soon as tuesday sources tell nbc news that advisers have been eyeing apri 25th, the date of his 2020 campaign announcement for when the president will release a video message confirming his candidacy. now once his candidacy i official, president biden ma face a little bit of an uphill battle, a recent associate press poll found that only 47% of democrats want to see biden on the ticket again. that number is up from 37% i january. let's get our political pane here to discuss all of this, msnbc political analyst brenda buck is a former chief o communications, chie communications adviser for former house speaker paul ryan and ameshia cross is a democratic strategist. welcome to you both. let me show, if you are an

adviser for president biden an you are looking at a numbe that says only 47% of democrat want the brother to run. what is at stake with this rollout? how do they come out this? >> we know president biden has been consistently under looked when it comes to his performance, when it comes t his ability. and he is also always rise above. i think the way to overcome it is exactly what him and hi administration have been doing and his surrogates have been doing for the past few months. kamala harris has to be on the campaign trail we have to ensure that those surrogates like secretary pete are out talking about th importance of that reall annoyed or package the importance of thos hundreds of thousands of job that are going to be ill available to his jeweler regarding -- particularly in the, and how that affects medicar recipients is something that w should be talking about. in addition to housing equity. and a lot of this --

quite frankly what is at stake because we know the battles ar going on for the courts. but we are consistently seeing time and time again, a lot o the anti-lgbt, the anti black, anti immigrant rhetoric that i now turned into policy at th state level. and that this administration has consistently fought agains those things and what will happen, quit frankly, if president biden is not reelected, if you do not see another democrat in office we know the authoritarian slid is real. we know the republicans have bad stuff to offer no solutions on that side. and we absolutely know tha president biden can get it done >> so brendan, ameshia, lays out the argument she lays out the case, the policy, success, right but it really seems that thi is the determining factor for lot of these democrats on swin voters, age. do you think voters care mor about that or the republican agenda such as it is that is going to say that the president is ou of touch he is unpopular and so forth how do you see that,

particularly when you step bac and look at what happened in 2022 midterms? and the wisconsin supreme cour election how do those factors and enhance what a mean she says or does the h thing anothe issue still carries a day fo biden. >> well i think we should star off by recognizing that jo biden is by every poll recentl -- very weak incumbent. need to recognize that we talk a lot about donald trump, ron desantis, w overlook that for months and months and months, joe biden's favorite - more people approving -- what he does there are so many opportunitie for him to change that narrative and i'm a little confused if they haven't taken on more of a contrast. whether it is a contrast wit donald trump he gets indicted and they sort of sidestep it or a contrast with the house republicans. we know that is what you kno well that is what barack obama was able to do, contrast wit new house republican majority. get them to be extreme use that to your advantage now i think we are starting to see that a little bit.

he has stepped out or more engaging directly with kevin mccarthy but it feels like, you know, joe biden himself makes this point all the time we are not just judging jo biden, we are judging based on who the alternative is and there seems to be a lot of opportunity there for him. but once again, he is sort o stepping back, not front and center i guess that got him elected one time what he needs to take it a little more seriously, his standing, and three alread that the republican could be very easily elected president. >> ameshia, that's a reall good point, once the president actually makes that declaration, weather is on tuesday or later what do you think happens with that messaging how does he go out and speak t the country? how does he frame his four years as president and the nex four years with the republican just nipping at his heels about, you know, his son and othe crazy things >> president biden shows america who he is, he rise above the mark quite frankly he has somewha of a more difficult job than w

see on the republican side jus because he is someone who is i office right now during a time where the nation is stil reeling from and trying to pul itself back up from th pandemic and americans largely are still having pocketboo issues and the issues of inflation are still affectin the, quite frankly that was going to hurt any president. but i think that he has to showcase the structure of what is to come hard propaganda happens to b in terms of being anti equity. in terms of being anti-trans in terms of being anti black a anti immigrant but also in regards to the pushing the culture wars meanwhile, americans are quite frankly suffering at home. ensuring that he also amplifie white stone fortin to uplift our democracies abroad i think there is a stark distinction that this president can draw between only his plans and actions he has taken, but also why it should matter to th american people and the course that we are taking right now what would happen if we are to go a different way they are seeing it in severa states there is a reason why presiden biden is inviting the tennesse

breach the white house there is a reason why kamala harris was down in tennessee just a week ago. we notice that the amplification of eradicating our democracy is partially wha the republican party i standing on. that is a huge risk we take in allowing a republican speake to be able to advance to the presidency again because the republican parties the party of trump whether trump or desantis, the see seeing from the same son book >> so real quick for you brandon, on the abortion question which is sort o really been hitting republican in a way that really kind of changes the narrative for them politico has recently reported details about this disagreemen among many republican lawmakers. on whether a 15-week federal ban, abortion ban is worth pursuing where is the issue should be left to the states as they sai it would be. senator lindsey graham for example sponsored that bill. so give me your sense of where this issue, among probably som others, but this one especially,

how does that help, how does that hurt, are the republicans really prepared to lead on the abortion question or will they get off it and move on >> you talk about an issue where somebody has a opportunity to contras himself. we are a party that caught the -- dog caught the car we don't really know what to do instead of having any type o national message of how we wan to approach these issues, we are being defined by a bunch o state legislators. whether it is in texas o florida or georgia it is state lawmakers that are making decisions for the party and you know, as you said, w have always said this is something we should leave to the states but it used to be said that we would say that because we said we wanted to have reasonable restrictions and a middl ground that everyone can agree on but instead so many states are going far beyond what anybod believes is reasonable there is really no recourse at a national level to grab thi back, there is no congress wil step in here once again, we are left fo trusting the win here withou national messaging i think the democrats are goin

to be able to take advantage o that >> yeah, i think you are right on that point. brendan, ameshia, stick around we have a lot more to talk about. quote, the crisis of publi confidence with the suprem court, yes, that's ahead our panel is back to break dow the latest scandal plaguin justice clarence thomas. and how senate markets are now trying to get ttowo justice to answer their questions unde oath sam who make...? ...everyday products... ...designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder - that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that... ...i need a breakthrough card... like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more... plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases! and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas... ...a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours.

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supreme court chief justic john roberts just five between the before the judiciary committee amid recent report about justice clarence thoma and his relationship with th republican megadonor senators would like to speak with the chief justice about the course ethics in may judiciary chair senator dick durbin says roberts hasn't personally responded to this impatient yet, but durbin wa told the senate request wa shared with the judicial conference and forwarded to th judicial conference committe on financial disclosure. in a letter to chief justice roberts, senator durbin said quote, the courts decade-lon failure to address ethic problems has contributed to crisis of public confidence. he went on to say, quote, th status quo is no longe tenable. all of this comes after series of reports in propublic saying justice thomas failed t disclose luxury trips and even

a real estate deal wit billionaire republican donor karlyn crow. my political panel is back wit me now, i hope you all can say propublica, because i clearl couldn't hello again to trump brendan buck and ameshia cross so, brendan, the chief justice isn't obligated to show up technically, right congress has limited oversight over the supreme court what do you think happens here what does this look like what do you think he does here >> it will be a fascinatin test look, i think john roberts cares a lot about the suprem court. the image of the court doing the right thing. taking a lot of actions in his rulings that have been, i think, demonstrating that he want people to perceive the body as just and fair and reasonable so, you know, i think yo probably want to take action here how much you will be able to, don't know i think it is insane that ther are no real ethics laws over members of the supreme court i served in the house for very long time, i couldn't accept more than a t-shirt or

coffee mug people in a supreme court ca fly halfway around the world disclosure is what got him i trouble. but the fact that you thin that is okay to take in th first place, i find it jus insane so i hope that this actually does bring some meaningful change and i think john roberts actually cares enough to bring that about >> let's pick on that point, ameshia, brendan is absolutely right. the court has no formal ethica code do you think it is time fo common congress to step in and do something particularly if the court is slow or residency somethin like that? or should be just left to them to work it out whenever they work it out? >> no. congress should absolutely ste in we should never count on anybody that there is ethica violation coming from to als investigate and pursue the ethical violation. it is high time and it has bee for decades for congress t actually enact something and create some guidelines as well as what happens when those things are not followed. the harlan crow situation is very interesting because i

showcases just how not onl relax the laws happen to be at this point but also the impediments t moving forward because h should never be able to provid gifts or access to trips and other things to a supreme cour justice. because there is a curing of favor for him as well as anyon who also was a part of those trips. we have these regulations that the county at civil levels i am from chicago, i working city and state governments for quite some time there. at the end of the day ethics violations are the reason why lot of people are behind the - right now. it is frustrating to know that the supreme court does not hav a process of punishment fo these violations but also a process t acknowledge the violations t begin with >> president - this week the washington pos reported that four years thomas claimed income from the defunct real estate firm that was shut down in 2006 what does that mean, what ar we to make of that >> yeah, look, a lot o republicans on the hill's been asking about clarence thomas

and they all really want to be -- i think it is important to appreciate that four republicans, clarence thomas i what anthony scalia used to. be the one that may hold up as the ideal justice. i can't imagine there is actually going to be a lot o republicans eager to tak action i but i am putting a littl more stop and john roberts but it is long overdue i know that there are some people claiming that jus because we have separation o powers that congress can't ste in but we could change how many people served on the supreme court and surely we ca regulate their ethics. >> no doubt there my friend, brendan vallow and ameli cross. thank you both for being wit us and thank you for watching symone on this saturday. i'm michael steele in fo simone sanders townsend. politics nation with reveren al sharpton starts right after this break -- gets three jobs done at once - kills weeds. prevents crabgrass. and keeps it growing strong. get a bag of scotts triple action today,

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