>> great interview i want to see bad cinderella i i can find a bad - an actual babysitter enjoy the rest of your evening off, my friend >> good evening to you, at admin. tonight, more from that fire fox producer and the fight is far from over for dominion, we are going t run through their othe lawsuits to hold electio deniers in this countr accountable. that, an extensive conversatio with organ governor, tin cortez, the reaction to th supreme court's decision o mifepristone and what she and other blu state governors are doing to protect reproductive rights. and plus, shot for making mistake. a series of senseless shootings, people at the wrong time simply at the wrong time, have rocked this nation what the hail is happening let's get started.

how much does it cost to lie t the american people? well, this week, fox settled the dominion voting system defamation lawsuit, agreeing t pay a staggering seven point 8 -- excuse me, 787 point $5 millio in settlements it is one of the largest settlements in defamatio history in this country, and i shows that fox was at leas somewhat afraid that the jur might sign against them. that, it's, clear was th financial cost of lying to the american people. but the other cost, th reputational costs, that is little bit harder to explain after the settlement was announced, fox released this statement, which read, in part we acknowledge the court rulings finding certain claims about dominion to be false this settlement reflects foxes continued commitment to th highest journalistic standards we are hopeful that ou decision to settle this disput with dominion amicably, instea

of the acrimony of a divisiv trial, allows the country to move forward from these issues now, did you notice a word missing there? an actual apology, or an acknowledgment of wrongdoing o fox's part recognizing that the court found statements to be false it is not the same as admittin that you were the ones spreading those fals statements now the reputation will cost t outsiders is clear but the real, important part what about fox viewers the network never ha acknowledged to its audience that what it did what's wrong. the settlement with dominion might be disappointed for that very reason, the network i still escaping accountabilit beyond the financial but we should be clear here, fox is not out of the wood yet. the network faces a lawsui from former producer, abby grossberg, who claims that fox's lawyers tried to manipulate her testimony durin the dominion case. in fact, just yesterday, msnbc

said they knew of a call between grossberg and former trump advisor, peter navarro in which he privately blaste trump lawyer, sydney powell, i her election lies. fox faces an even bigger lawsuit in another company, we have a 2.7 billion dollar suit from smartmatic, in a statemen after the settlement wit dominion, a representative fro state maddock, dominions

investigation exposed some o the misconduct and damag caused by fox's disinformation campaign smartmatic will explores the rest what's more, dominion wants to hold election deniers beyond fox accountable as well, i fact, the company ha defamation lawsuits pendin against other far-right medi outlets, including newsmax oann, which went even furthe than fox and their promotion o election lies, and they ar also taking legal action against several individuals, including my pillow chie executive, mike lindell, patrick byrne, and rud giuliani, and sidney powell. fox's record-breakin settlement here was really jus the beginning, as dominion's lead counsel said any warnin to fox's fellow election liars quote, it is not over. let us discuss this now with katie benner, reporter for the new york times, and an msnbc contributor. former democratic senator, dou jones, from alabama. he also served as the u.s. attorney for the norther district of alabama.

and ronnell andersen jones, first amendment scholar and professor of law at th university of utah it is great to have all of you with us. professor anderson, i woul like to start with you, my colleague, caitlin, earlier wa joined by one of dominion' lead attorneys let me play for you what the say to those who criticize the company for this decision to settle >> i understand people's disappointment that we did not have the trial that we were al preparing to go through. but i think, what i hope peopl understand when they sit bac and think about this is, dominion, and dominion's owners, including john paulo's aunt -- they wanted accountability, an they wanted justice for th company. and they didn't settle thi case last year that was very important to them they weren't ready to settle this case last year. what they wanted was to get th truth out, and as you know katie, being a trial lawyer, the truth is the usually in th documents. >> do you believe, professor that dominion made the right decision here? >> i think it is definitel

open to question whether the lesson that fox and othe organizations that are similarly situated came away from the settlement with was not to advance conspirac theories that are harmful to democracy or whether it was th smaller lessons of not to do s in a way that target individual defamation client o even more narrowly, not to communicate internally, in way that might be used to preven knowing falsity in the futur and discovery. but i do think it is worth noting that the cumulative effect of a numerous suit in the space may well have an impact, both on the company, and on the company's coverage. three quarters of a billio dollars is not a small some, even for a company thi wealthy. and it is all known lee th

first of a series of suits tha may well end in settlements or jury verdicts that are of that size, or even larger so, all total, i think that we are at the beginning of th storyline, and not anywher close to the end of it >> senator jones, does any o this matter if fox viewers are not the ones receiving the message or at least aware of the settlement i believe it is safe to sa that, yes, they have heard about it they are certainly not gonna b hearing about it on fox. but even if they are hearing about through fox, the probably are not hearing about accurately about it on fox >> yeah, ayman, you know it' funny you mention that i just had a conversation with a good friend of mine wh talked to a friend of his, who is a trump supporter he is right before the - trump, and he did know what he was talking about. >> i'm not surprised >> so that is importan formation, but that's a true story. i think the professor is right the cumulative effect here, an i don't think it is just the

lawsuits i think it's we cannot jus depend on fox news we really need to be getting this message out there, and we don't need to let up on it we need to be reminding people all the time about what wa said between sean hannity an these producers. what was being said in private what is coming out, and i thin more will come out, as the cas may be i would love to see senate hearings on this and the federal communicatio commission, the public hearing on this, because what happened was absolutely, totally agains what the media is supposed t be doing and i think it is going to b up to us, i think, as we g forward, to keep the story alive. >> that is a really good idea, let me just follow up on tha really quickly, senator. do you think democrats, here a we get to 2024, with the rac heating up, should they be doing more to associate fo with what they did, with pushing this big lie about the election being stolen, more so with the republican party. i think sometimes the democrat

have a hard relationship wit fox, where they feel they want to appear on it to try to wi over, perhaps, some voters fox voters, or do you thin that is a lost cause, and they should really kind of treat fo as part of the republica establishment. >> that's a difficult question i'm not saying we should boycott fox, but i think w should constantly remind them, even when they are on the air, about what they did. and i think, in addition to th statements that were made abou the falsity of the electio fraud, it also clearly showe how essentially the republican party was using the process of propaganda that was absolutely crysta clear. even if we are on fox at som point, talk about that but something we can talk about, and give that message across >> katie, as i mentioned, fox' legal battles are far from over the network faces lawsuits fro

former producer, abby grossberg, smartmatic's, another voting technology company how was fox preparing for thes multiple fights ahead? >> i think that one of fox's calculations will be the financial calculation, how muc money can it really pay out in terms of these lawsuits an setting her. dominion wanted even more than a billion dollars. smartmatic wants more than two billion dollars. smartmatic also is incentivize to continue to fight, they are incentivized to continue t bring out more embarrassin revelations about fox news, and, unfortunately for fox they hav a former employee who was sort of in the tenth during thi critical period of time afte the election, she seems to recorded conversations, sh seems to have a lot of receipt about what is going on as it scrambled to contain the financial damage that wa happening as it wavered back and forth between saying tha joe biden could win th election, and allowing a cre

of columnist to try and push election lies. so this is going to continue t be difficult for fox, and think, at the end of the day it will purely be about th money they want to pay its employees to settle, and withdraw her information fro public view. and how much can they really afford to pay smartmatic, know to put almost a billion dollar into dominion. >> professor, let me ask about that, dominion has at least, a i just ran through that list six more defamation lawsuits pending. you've got against newsmax, oan, sydney powell, my pillow guy patrick byrne, from overstock. does the outcome of their suit -- have any impact on these other lawsuits does a set a different bar for them obviously, you're not going to expect mike lindell if he does lose, to be able to pa something in the same amount that fox did but what is the bar that has now been set by dominion's lawsuit against fox.

>> right, well, obviously, a number of these suits that are still pending are smaller in scale. and sought damages then th suit that dominion brought against fox, but you can see how the venn diagram of th overlap of the facts in a lo of these cases are very similar. and the smartmatic's sui features very many of the same cast of characters in the same storyline. i went back and re-read th complaint after the dominion suit settled, and smartmatic's storyline is virtually identical. that is, that it was vilifie with a wholly invented conspiracy theory, in an effor on the part of fox in some o its guests to win back viewers who were graduating elsewher in the right-wing ecosystem, when fox called the election for biden. and those same key players are involved here.

maria bartiromo, janine perault, lou -- on the fox side, and on th guest side, rudy giuliani, sydney powell. so a lot of the same body of evidence lies there fo smartmatic to take advantage of, when they produced the settlement and dominion. >> after the settlement wa announced, he tweeted somethin that caught my attention, think it caught a lot of peopl 's attention, you wrote -- do you think that we will se that type of courage, anytim soon when you look at what the republican party continues t do how long can we afford to wait to see true accountability >> we sure haven't seen it yet halfway. >> i don't think there has bee hardly a comment about the

dominion settlement from folks like that. but this is a work in progress i think as we continue to go forward, the more that i introduce, the more that w talk about and i think we have to, take for, instance that statement that peter navarro made. i think what peter navarro was saying in that statement, ayman, was that they were makin headway with trying to get the election overturned by legal means. we know that now, by fraudulen means, beginning overturn unti sydney powell went too far, an people started pulling back. that is frightening, and ought to be frightening to everyone, including my friends on th republican side of the aisle who really do care about democracy. they are there, but are bein enablers by not speaking out >> professor anderson jones, katie, senator jones, please stick around, we're gonna talk to a little bit later in the show as well up next, my exclusiv conversation with oregon governor, tina core tech, on the fight to protect reproductive rights in her state. we don't even need

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fall, and well into next year, and let's be clear here. anything short of preserving access to this fda approve drug would've set a dangerou precedent where one rogue, extremely far-right judge, anywhere in this country could basically strip away access to a safe and effective medicatio abortion pill for millions o americans. the fight is not over, the legal cases are pending, and a extremist republican especially at the state leve continue to strip women of their rights to make their own health care decisions. one of the leaders that is pushing back against the gop a the state level is orego governor, tina kotek the democrat just applied for three-year supply of mifepristone, and makes it clear to oregon residents, patients in oregon will have access to the medication for years to come. i spoke with the governo exclusively, just moments ago, about the supreme court's move and her efforts to protect reproductive rights in her state. >> oregon governor, tina kotek

thank you so much for joinin us i, of let's get your reactio to the supreme court's decisio to maintain access t mifepristone while thi challenge continues to play out. >> well, i'm glad we have state from the supreme court but this is not over, an states have to be prepared access to mifepristone is stil in jeopardy, but we are glad that the state has happened, but that does not mean that we cannot step back and b prepared, because this could change, it could go quickl back through the courts, and w could be looking at denyin americans across our country access to very basic medication >> interestingly enough, jus before this court's ruling, yo announced that your stat partnered with oregon alison sign university to secure three-year supply, which is 22,500 doses of mifepristone talk to us about that move what led you to do that?

>> politics should never get i the way of having access t health care. and when we knew the texas ruling of a road judge in texa saying, we should have acces to this basic medication tha has been proven to be effectiv and safe, i started to consult with the providers on th ground and talk to them across the state about what they need and they need to have a supply in organ of mifepristone not only for abortion, for miscarriage management, so w went forward and purchased those doses and they are now instate, and we havend i guarantee access to thos very basic, proven medications >> and that was just - that move on mifepristone, i just a small part of the broader project you are taking for reproductive rights in you state. you are also instructing state boards that license medica providers to clarify tha oregon, quote, support providers in continuing to

provide reproductive healt care, including prescribin dispensing and using the press regardless of the decision in texas lawsuit. what are you hoping that wil accomplish >> i think we have to be clear we are fighting a national agenda to restrict access to abortion ever since the overturning o roe v. wade, everything is u in the air now so we, a state leaders, and as a governor who has been active on guaranteeing access t reproductive health care, even before i became governor w have to keep pushing hard here let's access to the medication protecting the providers who, will not support, i'm no fugitive extraditions to other states, or providers who are doing their job here in ou state, making sure the peopl have access to health care our licensing boards need to give that direction. and when things were looking and we have another bill i front of the legislature her in oregon to clarify the

protections for our provider as it leads to reproductiv health care, and the legislature is also considerin sending the voters here constitutional amendment to th oregon constitution, protectin the right to abortion, gende affirming care, marriage equality, on the basis o protecting people from discrimination all of these things ar essential, because, as a state as these decisions have come back to the state, we have t protect individuals freedom an their access to health care. >> what is your understanding, perhaps, more broadly speaking as a politician. what is your understanding o why republicans are targetin and going after reproductive rights, an issue that th overwhelming majority of americans support and access for women in this country? >> i want to reaffirm that americans, widely suppor access to reproductive healt care, including abortion

the u.s. supreme court is ou of step with americans, and, honestly, from a political standpoint, i don't understand other than to rev up your base why you think this is somethin the vast majority of americans would be okay with but i'm not thinking about the politics, i'm thinking about the basics of health care, and the freedom to choose what happens to your body what happens to your life when individuals don't have acces to basic health care, like the ability to seek out an abortion, it affects their entire lives. that affects their security, their future, so for me, it wa never about the politics, no matter what side of the aisl you're on, it is about makin sure that people have access t basic freedoms and health care and i'm never going to ste back from that it is something i believe in it is something oregonians believe in, and frankly, the vast majority of americans >> there is a push in the orga legislator by people who wan to restrict the access to safe

abortions into the state constitution, in fact, the state senate majority leader just added a joint resolutio this week to refer to voters, proposed constitutiona amendment, which would appea on ballots in november of 2024 do you support that effort, do you think that effort will actually make its way to you desk or to the constitution of th state? >> i do support sending constitutional amendment t voters it is our way of saying, let's guarantee the future of ou state, and the basic freedom that we all believe in >> the u.s. supreme court, particularly with the dobb decision, the world ha changed. so it is not enough to hav protections and statute. and some of the things that we have taken for granted a oregon will, this is just by the u.s. supreme court, that i all in jeopardy, up in the air so we are putting constitutional amendment i front of voters, we are saying who are we, is oregonians. what do we believe in? and do we believe in a state

where people have the freedo to choose their future whatever that looks like and that is what tha constitutional amendment looks like >> this week marks 100 days in office for you as governor o oregon can you broadly tell us abou your time in office? what have you alread accomplished, what are you turning your efforts to next as you look forward to the future in your state >> well, yeah, we just hit 100 days it is been a sprint. >> we've been setting up the state for key issues, housing, homelessness, is a key problem in our state we want how people have access to mental health, and addictio treatment that they need and, very concerned about ou youngest oregonians not bein able to read our kids are behind because of the pandemic, we need to focus on the science of reading, t help us get back on track. but broadly speaking, my mai issues are about economi security, and people being abl to have access to opportunit

and prosperity that is why i care about the issue of reproductive health care and access to mifepristone these things are all related people don't live in one ite or one issue all of these things affect peoples lives, so while i' focused on housing and our schools, we can't predict basi freedoms like reproductive health care. >> oregon governor tina kotek, thank you so much for taking the time to be on the show >> thank you, have a great day >> you as well coming, up manhattan d.a. alvi bragg and republican jim jorda have come to an agreement afte their weeks-long feud, we ar going to have more on that, in a moment a moment i bought the team!

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jordan is using, there we say, weaponizing, his committee t investigate bragg's hush money probe into trump, who he and his republican allies claim is politically motivated. there is no evidence the investigation is politically motivated, after the agreement for former prosecutor mark pomerantz to testify was enough, alvin bragg said this on twitter. let's bring back katie benner, and former alabama senator doug jones katie, what do you make of thi deal between alvin bragg i jordan about having mark pomerantz testify. it seems each side here ha claimed a little bit of victory, and what do you think of it? >> each side is claimed victor because the ultimate decisio

has been made. so what's interesting is you'v seen, first of all, looking at jim jordan you've done somethin interesting here he's claimed there has been legitimate, congressiona reason about oversight in orde to speak with mark pomerantz because he decided that he wants to introduce incredibl specific bill that the forme president is under investigation by a state to be prosecuted, but should b immediately be moved to th federal system now, again, that's incredibl specific you can make of that what yo will but that is sort of the reason why he says he needs to talk t mark pomerantz because he says that mark is i a unique position to understan the sorts of investigation having work on one himself pomerantz, for his part, he is put in this impossible situation we are both ji jordan is asking him to come before the committee, and he risks violating that subpoena, and being held in contempt and alvin bragg has sued him t not testify. so, again, the court i basically giving everybody a little bit of breathing room giving mark pomerantz a little bit of breathing roo ultimately he decides whethe

or not jim jordan has legitimate legislative purpose for calling pomerantz as a witness. no keep in mind, the interesting twist is tha pomerantz did not work on th case that alvin brag ultimately charged, which is falsifying business records an hauls money permits to storm daniels. instead, he worked in a very different case about whether o not trump lied on his tasks. that is me the judge will look about, about whether or no mike pomerantz is an appropriate witness for ji jordan's report of legislative bill >> senator, it is always something with republicans you've got republicans like ji jordan claiming to be the part of law in order, but what le do they have to stand on whe they are going after alvin bragg and trying to, s explicitly, interfere with the prosecution of donald trump? let's be clear, this would not be happening if alvin bragg wa not pursuing a case agains donald trump >> yeah, it is reall interesting, the way that we can find a small thread of

jurisdiction to hang their hat on you know, looking at federal monies that may have gone in whether federal monies might have been of use all they need to do is get him there. look, i don't think, i pomerantz were alvin bragg again for this committee, yo are not going to see a lot o information come out that is not already out, you are going to have a lot of speech-ifying from the members of congress on both sides of the aisle, lot of speech-ifying and then the witnesses are going to him, and, ha dodged a little bit because they can't answer al of those questions and i think that is one of the things that disagreement i going to do. i think it is going to protect the investigation itself that was alvin bragg's biggest issue was protecting the investigation going forward. so i think that that is par fo the course of trying to ge this resolved to let everybody move on, have their show >> let me ask, you senator about another issue that i trump related. another probe. a federal judge denied trump's

request for a four-week dela in the civil rape an defamation trial on the e jean carroll case that trial is set to begin thi tuesday. it is going to trial after years of back and forth. talk to me about this stat here it is probably a case that i not gone as much attention a it probably deserves >> yeah, you know, this is really, very, very, personal for donald trump the stakes here for him ar pretty high on a personal level. it shows a lot about his character, in terms of what we are all talking about, the bigger issues of democracy maybe not so much. but this is always big but this is one more problem for donald trump to deal wit while he is facing indictmen on one hand, while he is facin other indictments an investigations, he now is to focus his efforts on defending a trial, a civil trial, that i coming after him personally. so there is a lot of his plate

and i think everybody from a political standpoint, he has t figure out a work to his advantage. sooner or later, it is going t start catching, up i believe >> katie, the judge from this jean carroll, rejected trump's request -- should trump wants it on trial yeah joe tacopina said it woul cause a logistical nightmare for trump. it seems like a classi trumpian move here, do you buy it >> sure, all i would say o that is that while he wa president, he had tools it i disclosable, including being the president united states. he was really able to contro the message about legal attack on him, investigations, et cetera here, you are seeing him hav just far less luck he's already set for a videotape deposition, and jean carroll his lawyers fee that's enough. they don't need him as a witness. but he is not only trying to create a venator a narrative who is a witness who cares

about new york city very deeply, but he just is trying to mak sure that it's worth it to the city it's almost like he is tryin [interpreter and he's also said that he's willing to testify, so he is trying to create a more simple guy narrative himself. and you see a judge kind o just systematically batting th narrative down, saying that it is really not that important just showing that he is having a little bit less luck than he had in the past controlling th story and then sort of manipulating it to his advantage. >> we will see what happen when this trial gets started later this week, katie benner, doug jones, thank you so muc to the both of you for you time and your insight this evening. greatly appreciate it. after a break, a uniquel american phenomenon. getting shot for simply making a mistake. a mistake. shake 'n feed. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow. how to grow delicious herbs:

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suffered damage to multipl organs and had her splee removed. but according to her family, she is now in stable condition this trio of shootings all taking place within a matter o days has reignited a conversation around what w consider to be self-defense in this country from much of u.s. history, tha idea, rested on somethin called the castle doctrine a legal notion that your hom is your castle and therefore, you have th right to use, yes, deadly forc to defend it in recent decades, in many states have taken things eve further, implementing so-calle stand-your-ground laws it those lost eight even when person is outside of their home, they can use lethal force in situations where they ar scared for their life. the modern wave of these law can be traced back to florida, we're two decades ago, after intense lobbying efforts fro the nra, the state passed th first ever stand-your-ground law in 2005. harvard historian, carolin light, traced how america made

the transition from the much more restrictive notion of self-defense that we borrowe from english common law to our contemporary understanding o the protection she says that, overtime, a dut to retreat from a threat was transformed into what she no refers to as a selective right to kill. it is an idea that has becom so in brained -- ingrained in our society, th two notes that legal self-defense in many ways ha become a naturalized a universal of a civil right so we have become a societ that acts on fear, one tha shoots first, and then ask questions later. here is senator chris murphy o the senate floor this week >> we are becoming a heavily armed nation, so fearful, an angry, and a hair trigge anxious that gun murders are just the way in which we worke out our frustrations >> it only gets more terrifyin when you take a look at what

motivates many of thes frustrations that fear, consider andrew lester, the white kansas cit homeowner, who shot ralph yarl a black teenager leicester's own grandson tol nbc news that in recent years, his grandfather had been consumed with watching conservative news outlets. we should be clear, lester bears sole responsibility fo his actions, but as hi grandson notes, falling into the fear and paranoia stoked b the 24 hour news cycle and wil conspiracies did not help hi mental state on any given day, or any given night in this country, this is what viewers like leiceste tuned in to see on right-win networks hours of coverage devoted to the so-called, crime epidemi taking over america, oftentime selectively showing cases that involved young, black men. coverage of that has infecte this country with a toxic mi of paranoia and distrust, an stranger, especially a strange

that may not look like you o sound like you, is immediately perceived to be suspicious o even a suspect and when that suspicion fuse with our lax gun laws an seemingly ever expansive definition of self-defense, th results, as we learned thi week, can be deadly. and the truth is, no one i exempt we will be right back. we will be right back. i bought the team! kevin...? i put it on my chase freedom unlimited card. and i'm gonna cashback on a few other things too. starting with the sound system... [autotune] that's caaaaaaaaash. cashback like a pro with chase freedom unlimited.

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used abortion pill in the u.s. to remain widely available, at least for now. as we wait for the lawsuits to play out, which might take months, a different ruling out of washington is adding to the confusion. earlier this month, a federa judge ruled the favor of 1 democratic led states that sue to expand access to abortion bills, ordering the federa government to keep the dru available. one of those states is vermont and joining me now, is vermont attorney general, charit clark. mom attorney general, thank yo so much for making time for us i will get your reaction t that state from the suprem court, and what it means for access to medication for abortion in the next few month as this texas case plays out >> well, basically, what i means is that the lower cour order has been blocked, an americans will be able t access abortion care and mifepristone, as they have bee four years, the same way tha they have been four years. going forward, i think we will see lower arguments, sometim

next month, and i think it wil probably take months before th supreme court sees the cas again, and in the, meantime, you can't really lose sight of the fact that it lower federal court decided that fda approva on a safe and effective drug that had been safe and effective for 20 years neede to be revoked. and i think the last two weeks has shown the kind of chao that that could create i think it is more important than ever that we continue fighting our are right to ge an abortion. >> when you look at all th attacks that are coming on reproductive rights, comin from all angles, this week the influential abortion - anti-abortion rights group tried to get the environmental laws to restrict the ability t terminate a pregnancy. as i mentioned, you joined inside and that washington lawsuit, should democrats be

exploring other options as well? are you guys playing checkers, so to speak, while these anti-abortion groups are playing chess with the way the are just flooding the zone wit all of these lawsuits? >> we have a strategic and coordinated approach tha like-minded states who are generally democrats, but, of course, democrats don't have exclusive rights to the valu of freedom, and i would invite anybody have any party to join a coalition that is working to protect abortion rights. but here is what i know coming from vermont, the very same da that i was elected attorne general, voters in vermont als voted overwhelmingly t enshrine a right to abortion i our state's constitution and i mean, literally, every single town in vermont voted by majority, to enshrines that right in our constitution. even though it is in towns where, in the past, the town had voted donald trump for president. so i was given a very clea mandate by vermonters, and tha

is to protect our abortion rights so going forward, i know what have to do, and i will be part of any effort, a national effort, and of course, locally and specifically in washing to to make sure that our right is protected. >> let's talk about judg shopping for a moment, because antiabortion groups have bee accused of judge shopping, i this case, since it originated in amarillo, texas, home to ou federal court division wit just one district judge that i matthew kacsmaryk. as you mentioned, back in 2022 one vermonters were given th opportunity to weigh in on abortion access, every town in your state passed th reproductive liberty amendment which enshrines abortion i vermont's constitution what is it telling you about our justice system, that one single judge in texas, o anywhere else, could rip tha protection away from people in your state of vermont? >> i'm relieved. i think we are all relieve that the system protected that

from happening, and the united states supreme court happene yesterday with the decisio they made, but it is ver unnerving, and the activis judges that we see are not o full to our country. it is very problematic, again, in vermont, our state motto is freedom and unity. and i like to joke that th modern-day translation of that is love your neighbor, but min your own business. and our bodies are our business so i think that philosophy i really important for - and i think it is disturbing w have a judge was trying to impose his own view on thing nationally >> let me, before we go, get your thoughts on something tha you have made a top priority for her office and there's a little bit o intersectionality here and that is protecting victims of domestic and sexual

violence talk to us about why you mad this essential movement during your campaign, and what you've been able to accomplish sinc taking office, and what is lef to do. >> i was motivated to run fo office, in part because vermon had never had a woman attorney general and i think that vermont was really ready for a leader like me i made domestic violence our key issue in my campaign, and, of course, in vermont, we have 40,000 victims of sexual and domestic violence every year which is disturbing half of ou homicides relate to domestic violence and i wanted to make sure that we were addressing that topic. what i did when i picked off the years sworn in as attorney miles, i think, within two weeks, allegedly with in our domestic violence community to advocate for recommendations made by a task force that deal with domestic violence fatalities i'm very pleased to say that

those recommendations were turned into a bill, and no that bill is making its way to the legislature, and i'm ver hopeful that it will become mo by summer. >> for attorney general, clarity chart, thank you s much for your movement going forward. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks for having me. next on behind the series... that performance was legendary. they just piled it on. roast beef, ham, oven roasted turkey. all on the subway club. three peat - that's great. three meat - that's epic. the subway series. the greatest menu of all time. - this is our premium platinum coverage map

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