reproductive freedoms are th states that map on to a slav map. i'm up on to a jim crow map. and these are the same day that are looking to dismantl voting rights, and also to infuse a religiously of city that is christian based in the classroom. we see that coming out of texa just this last week. and if we don't throw thes things together, it will be ou mistake. >> that is when you make tha clear line between what is going on with reproductive rights of what is going on wit democracy and freedom. i'm so grateful to both, i you. again thank you for being with as michelle goodwin is a professor at uc irvine law school and the author of the book policing the womb invisible women in the criminalization of motherhood. mary ziegler is a historia professor at ucla school, an author of multiple books including, row the history of national obsession that does it for me, thank you for. watching that rebecca accident on the warning from 10 am to noon eastern, it's day where you are. inside with jen psaki begins right now.

the >> campaign this week. the supreme court makes th right call on the abortion call at least for now i asked congresswoma alexandria ocasio-cortez about the political moment that we are in, during our sunda exclusive. and it is coming up. first, plus one of the keys to reelecting and come from a tough starting position? former obama campaign manage jim seen it was the last guy t do it, and he joins me just few minutes. meanwhile, ron desantis seem to be running agains everything and everyone. except the guy he is going t have to be to win th republican nomination. smart strategy i'm not so sure a little ice cream with presidential nominee turne secretary of state - john kerry and i talked to one of my former boss is about a threat to committing to th work he's doing to fight it.

many of us across the countr breathed a big sigh of relie on friday when the supreme court announced that the mos widely used abortion pill will remain available while on appeal moves forward. it is welcome, news but let' be clear the abortion pill is still i jeopardy and the political stakes jus got a lot higher whatever the appeals court decides, the case will likel end up before the supreme cour next year. making a final decision coul come at the height of the 2024 presidential race. remember that roe v. wade wa overturned just a few months before the 2022 midterms and that turned out to be major driver for democrati voters which brings us to the other major story to break this week after a long wait and a lot of speculation, president joe biden is finally ready to make it official. he is set to formally announce his campaign for reelection as soon as tuesday.

and the fight over women's rap rights is undoubtedly going to be a major issue in th campaign that is now barreling forward. i sat down with alexandria castilla cortez this week to talk about the threat to abortion rights, kevin mccarth and republican house, her figh to address the climate crisis, and her thoughts on a bide reelection campaign. >> news just broke this week o president biden is preparing t enter the 2024 presidentia race as soon as maybe next week your politics are clearly to the left of his. but you've worked with him on range of issues. whereas exceed you expectations where it is going to do? >> i think president biden has very much exceeded m expectations in terms of investment in public infrastructure and what we did with the american rescue plan in really pushing, and i believe if we were able to get items like minimum wage passed the senate, i do believe tha

he would have signed those, as well i think when it comes to issue around immigration and in ou criminal legal system, we have a long ways to go. >> what political advice would you give to him? and when he's running he has t build a coalition and appeal t a huge population that you ver much appeal to what advice would you give t him? >> i think that we are in really important moment wher the landscape of america politics is shifting and the communities that hav historically been the center o the political universe, suburb and certain affluent communities, are still ver important and a part of th political constellation it i this country young people are entering an

engaging in a way that has become a large political force it's a political force that is often underestimated but not underestimated by th republican party they're already discussing how to engage and disenfranchise young people in addition to th disenfranchisement they impose on communities of power. my advice would be that whil this balancing act is difficult, it's not something to be taken for granted. and we should fight for th priorities of young people in multi class, multi racia coalition. since the supreme cour overturned roe, republican state legislators -- the drug mifepristone has also become challenged.

opponents of abortion are stil at it, very much how bad do you think this coul get? >> i think we are in a extremely serious moment i believe that the republica party is not starting at roe they will not start at roe they will not stop at women' rights i believe what we are seeing i a concerted rollback of civi liberties in general our right to privacy, our righ to bodily autonomy all right to marry whomever we wish to marry. all of this is at risk i don't think they will stop and many of the folks, there are so many people when we wer warning that roe was truly a risk all progressive hysterical this we are overestimating the risk, this is never going to happen and just as we warned about roe, we are warning about the ver real risks we're already seeing the attacks on trans americans, fo

seeing the attacks on lgbt americans. we have even seen republican members of the senate insinuat that interracial marriage is something that should be up fo debate these are our civil rights and our civil liberties, and w have to resist we must resist these attempt to rollback the basic huma rights of certain communitie in america based on identity >> this week, fox news settl their defamation lawsuit was dominion voting systems for 78 point $7 million do you think they made mistake requiring fox acknowledge hono that lie to its viewers? >> this was a corporation suin another corporation fo material damages their job is to go in and ge the most money that they can and i think that they did that

they are not lawyers for the american public. and i think what is best for the country, what would have been best for the country wh would have been to demand that and not settle until we go that but that is not their role for us, i think this raise much larger questions. very often, i believe that w leave it to the courts to solv issues the politics ar supposed to solve. that legislating exposed t solve. we have very real issues wit what is permissible on air we saw that with january 6th and we saw that in the lead up to january 6th and how we navigate question not just a freedom of speech but also accountability fo incitement of violence this is the role we have t explore as well.

>> do you think they should be accountable for being platform for incitement >> i believe that when it come to broadcast television, lik fox news, these are subject to federal law and regulation in terms of what's allowed o air and what isn't it is very clearly incitemen of violence. that is something if you b willing to contend with. they have been working overtim to make the argument that ne york city is unsafe. this is your home, where you represent. my mother grew up here on monday, jordan had the hous judiciary committee pull a field hearing in manhattan i order to attack manhatta district attorney. as part of this ongoing attack i think it's fair to say

arguing that the focus i indicting trump, and that is much more crime. what is your response to jorda in this argument >> first and foremost, it is a complete abuse with power fo jim jordan to lead a congressional hearing into municipal decisions. and the reason he is abusing his power is because he ha decided that his main job is t defend one individual, which i former president trump and not to represent his constituents or his district every municipality has the right to govern as they see fit, and it is not the federa government's responsibility to go in and micromanag individual prosecutors on th municipal level. that being said, his claim around safety, while every cit has their challenges, what w are seeing in the cities tha he represents is that they hav

far higher instances o violence new york city does. if we are actually concerned about crime, what we need to d is get guns off of streets and because jim jordan and the republican party does not want to address the crisis that i gun violence in america, the want to engage in a pursuit of political intimidation on th people who actually do want to hold people accountable. >> they ran on the economy inflation. but their focus has been primarily on investigation stoking culture wars this week they passed transgender sports ban i schools. what do you think of that? but also, how would yo describe their vision? >> the reason republicans ar so focused on these cultur wars and they're so fixated on trans americans and lgbt americans, and they're fixated on what women do with thei bodies it's because they do not have

plan to improve the lives of working people across th country. they just don't. we haven't heard a singl hearing or idea that would fundamentally make peoples material lives better. they have no plan on healt care, they have no plan on our economy. and in order to distract fro their lack of vision, they are trying to attack some of the most vulnerable americans in this country >> speaker mccarthy, in orde to become speaker had to cut some deals we still don't know the detail on it. do you think he's actually running his caucus where do you think someone els is >> he's not. >> it is running it? >> i think you've got marjorie taylor greene running th caucus, and she makes very common public statements t that effect. every time something works her

she communicates that mccarthy is doing her bidding and i think that this is something that is quite clear. i think that speaker mccarth is stuck between having to please the most racist and heinous elements of this party with having to maintain majority and he is choosing to side wit the extremists >> do you worry he will have the votes to pass his proposal i don't. and that's the political situation we are in right now. we hear from cindy maritimes in the bronx a beautiful place, by the way. they are breaking ground on an offshore development project something you secured fundin for. you have an enormous platform, of course. you have had since you wer elected. why is the climate crisi something you've spent so much

political capital on >> i think up until now, u until very recently, it's been very difficult to generate political momentum aroun addressing climate change. especially on the scale that w need to be addressing it on. there are so many issues tha are critically important, an we're very lucky to have ver strong political coalitions. but i know that when i was running, this was somethin that was just beginning to emerge that same kind of politica force and saliency aroun addressing the climate crisis. so now, it continues to be a important priority, not just for me but for many policy makers because we also have to handle this in a way that addresses the injustices that workin class people in communities of color facing the climate crisi as well. >> you just introduced a green new deal when you talk about bi expensive programs, that's where you sometimes heat

resistance i think how do you convince thos people people who believe climate change is real, that it is a crisis but they are concerned some of these proposed solutions are too grand or too expensive this is massive. we are addressing ou preparation for the climat crisis then the cost of not addressin it are going to be far greater >> thank you to congresswoma alexandria ocasio-cortez for spending time with me in the district this week first, my take on president jo biden expected campaig announcement this week

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white house before donald trum was george h. w. bush, way bac in 1992. incumbents have an advantage because, of course they do after all, you're the leader o the free world and hail to the chief play every single time you walk in room ideally, of also done some things that make peoples lives better, like rebuilding road in their communities, doin something about climate change and addressing gun violence. part of the case president biden will make to the publi after he announces his reelection campaign is that he needs more time to do more >> we've been sent here to finish the job in my view. two years in, and we're making progress that's the message, let me finish the job they started. in many ways, it's what barack

obama ran on as well you have to own how everything is going in the country. as the saying goes, the buck stops with you despite -- president biden will be blamed for the record number of peopl coming from mexico and he will still be blamed fo the cost of gas and grocerie are coming faster. when you are a president running for election, nearly obvious and fair target fo anyone who is disappointed not just by the amount o progress but even the speed of that progress. during your time in office running for president the firs time is aspirational you can make all sorts of big, bold promises. running for reelection is when you actually get a report card from the american people and then there is also a simple,

stubborn mathematical fact hanging over the president's campaign he is, and still would be th oldest president in american history. now, keep in mind, trump i also 76. but when you talk to voters, and according to a new nbc new poll today, half of the people who responded who don't bide to run say his age is a majo issue. and you better believe that' on the minds of the presidents political team right now it has been for sometime they are well aware, the other thing that is top of mind fo them is preparing for th possibility of a rematch wit the guy who is defying political gravity since he strode down the escalator at trump tower. it may fly in the face of logic, but according to the same nb poll, nearly 70% of republican voters are standing by donal trump. even after two impeachments an his arrest in new york so all of this precedent o being an incumbent in histor that i've been talking about that may actually be turned on its head

because a race against trump i definitely not a battle of policy ideas he doesn't have a ton of paper or anything. that is why the comparison a the white house is not entirel on policy differences. it's between a competent president a chaotic republican party. confidence versus chaos. as of now, that contrast i kind of playing out on its own biden did beat trump last time he still has an incredibly tough fight ahead of him for the presidents team, especially the newer members who haven't heard him say this 100 times, it might be wise to print out one of his favorit sayings. because it kind of sums up their task >> my dad used to say, don't compare me to the alternative. don't compare me to th almighty, it compare me to the alternative. that's a choice. and if they succeeded, tha succeeded laying out tha choice, president biden ma just get four more years in th

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but what did i miss first of all. and what is the bigges challenge in running a reelection campaign fo president? there are so many challenges the first one is history making sure you don't get primary. george bush i lost the general election, so there is a lot of work to make sure that doesn't happen the second is the numbers. you know this, this country is split down the middle. joe biden leads donald trump b a total of 785 votes that is how close it is. so it is going to be really, really close and you need to stop looking a the polls and put your nos down and spend the next year getting ready. the third thing is the economy american voters are economic voters joe biden became the first

president in our lifetime to win against donald trump whe he wasn't a favor candidate fo the economy. they are really looking at tha number, that's the number looked at every single day and the democrats need to make this a choice. i used to say to president obama, if this election is a referendum on the incumbents we could lose. if it's a choice between a summit romney, we will win so they are going to make sure they drive that choice, an it's why things like the deb limit are so important that's going to show the american public is the clear choice between the democrats and the republicans. >> there is so much preceden here of incumbents winning reelection, is of course trump is different, we can all clearly state that so if you are giving the presidents team advice, what would you tell them about ho to take on a potential trump candidacy? the candidacies happening, for

what would you tell them about how to take him on >> yeah. there's a couple things. exactly right, he's the most underestimated political figur of our lifetime. and donald trump always unde polls in every single race he' been in. you remember, it looked like team biden is going to win by bunch, and then barely held on he's also the best counterpuncher i have seen it's why we see him start to - end dissonances number start t go down. for the next year, just to get your ducks in a row. focus on the economy, focus on his record and sell all of those things to the american public let the republicans whale away at each other in this bi primary they're about to do. and just to do the day today o running the company tree and building a campaign it's unlik anything anyone's ever seen. do your version of 2012 and ge ready for next year. don't spend every day thinking about donald trump spend every day thinking about you. >> as i look at th

opportunities and challenges with the president, the voters who responded to nbc poll sa that 40% cited his age is major reason why we don't want him to run again do you think that's his bigges challenge? or is it something else? >> i think that is clearly the challenge in the beginning but as you said earlier, it' donald trump age just isn't as big of a issue. they're both senior citizens that's what they are if it's someone younger, tha could be an issue. i think presidential campaigns are about the future he and i learned this in 2012. you have to tell the america public where you're going to take them. >> he says i can do this and then he needs to go and say, it's not finished. here is where i'm going to tak this country and in the end, that's why

democrats get excited to support you. about where you are going to take them. age is obviously an issue, they're going to do everything they can do to negate it but i think messaging an talking to the american people about the choices in front o them that's the key challenge >> i'm going to have a few thoughts on rhonda sentences strategy, or lack thereof late on in the show but he has largely refrained from attacking trump by name this is about as far as he's been willing to go i want to play video for you and we'll talk about it quickl on the other end >> leaders take the bull by th horn and make decisions fo themselves they don't subcontractor their leadership for healt bureaucrats like doctor fauci. so is that the kind of hands off approach it is going t work in your view? >> absolutely not. and you already know it's no

working. he has dropped 12 points in th republican poles since the beginning of the year. to beat the king, you've got t take on the king and what trump is so good at his counter punching that's what desantis is worrie about. he is hoping that donald trump goes away because prosecutions or some other thing, and he can just not say anything back. what he's worried about -- he is a chicken and knows that donald trump is going to punch back and to, he doesn't want to offend the maga constituency that he thinks he needs to win the primary. it doesn't work like that. and you saw that in 2008 eventually you have to look at the country and say, this is the difference between the two candidates after the primary, let's hav the whole party come together. >> thank you

coming up, john kerry has had lot of jobs but his sole focus no is on climate action. hear what he says needs to b done to get more people in the united states to pay attention to climate change. but first, ron desantis had pretty tough week. for a number of reasons that i will explain as we go to break, som thoughts from alexandria castilla cortez about th florida governor we're back after this. >> i think that governor desantis has made some ver large critical errors. and i think he is weaker >> what do you think are's biggest areas as you've watched? >> you can't out trump trump and that's what he's bee trying to do his attacks on schools go wa too far in the state o florida. and i think that they are over compensating

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certainly not calling me for campaign advice. his strategy so far seem flawed he is banning abortions in florida, and signing that in the dark of night. his running against due process, signing a bill that allows juries to impose the death penalty without a unanimou decision he's even running agains mickey and minnie mouse, still lashing out at disney world th happiest place on earth. it seems that ron desantis i running against anyone and anything except his likely opponent surprise surprise, thi strategy isn't really working, it's not really taking republican observers are als taking note. >> i think ron desantis ha frittered way so much last fiv and a half months talking abou disney >> i just want to observe that to governor to santos is close to making a fool of himsel

with his walt disney obsession >> he is not running against walt's knee for president. >> kellyanne conway been of neutral observers here but they're not wrong either members of congress are also taking note of this strategy and i'm not really a believe that endorsements matter but trump has humiliated desantis it's not exactly a good sign that desantis, the king of republican politics secure only one endorsement from hi own state's delegation i congress while trump has secured 11 and voters are also taking note. he trails donald trump by whopping 15 percentage points. if you look at the average since early march, you can clearly see desantis's downwar

trajectory according to the governor's ow words, he considers himself fighter. and he leans into the tough gu image pretty hard. >> the rules of engagement are as follows so when they fire, you fir back with overwhelming force number two, never ever backe down from a fight. the references there not exactly subtle but where is the fight governor sure, we've heard some thinl veiled critiques, but not single clean blow. is that that you are mor comfortable standing up for in minnie mouse and the direction need to defeat to win th nomination if you're waiting for that perfect magic moment to take o donald trump, you are waitin to loan. just acts president ted cruz coming up, a conversation abou climate change and activis

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a presidential nominee it makes me tired listing this off. and even my former boss tw times over he's back at the state department in a new-ish role president biden special envo for climate. back in 1971 he spoke ou against the vietnam war. how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in vietnam how do you last man to be th last man to die for the state? >> today, more than 50 years later, john kerry is still speaking out his current mission, combattin our climate crisis as we celebrate earth day this

week, i caught up with him o the national mall for a wide discussion and a little desert >> secretary kerry, so good to see you. thanks for spending some tim with me. oreo >> i got you out of the office your mother was ahead of her time she was kind of an environmentalist she was all in and would get u up in the morning. they would show was -- it clearly stop. you are at the first earth day what was that like >> they came out of their home all around america, that sam day. it was a major moment like

that it made things happen, that' what is exciting about it. i think we are in the middle o an incredible, growing movement and i see it with young people all around the world young people are saying, wait minute i am encouraged, i am in the middle of working with peopl who are doing things this is an economic boom if we grab it. >> a recent nbc poll fro august say the climate chang is the fifth most importan issue. it is getting hotter and there is going to be more intensiv

weather events as that happens, as people see their crops destroyed, you can watch the pressure grow. you are the special envoy fo climate. you are back in the building where you are the secretary of state, has that been going >> we were coming off a four years of president trump's non stewardship of almost anything and he had zero money in the budget for climate so we have to start to reestablish credibility for th night states on a global basis >> this is an issue the no statement to lead on >> we still have a lot of work to do to get there

we can do it, but we've got yo more than we're doing now. >> a lot of your caree unfolded right here. this is america's firs amendment. we had about 5000 veterans who began their march over a arlington. they marched past the memorial all the way to the capitol and then camped on the mall at the capitol. and i was one of them. but many came and pu

themselves on the line, some i wheelchairs or on crutches that's very powerful 38 years after that you became chairman of the foreig relations committee. a part of this movement, did you ever envision that >> i envisioned we'd all b arrested and would have to loo for -- you almost won the presidency. i worked on your campaign, but after that, a lot of peopl when they run for president an they don't win, they disappear from the public sphere or from public service you didn't do that did that experience running fo president change you i purposefully did not want to

just lick my wounds or something. when people look back at you legacy of public service, what do you hope they will remember >> i am worried about th planet and whether we ar advancing. it sounds kind of highfalutin. but the planet is at risk. it is at risk. >> i remember well that yo have bit of a sweet tooth. do you want to go get some ice cream over there how are you? at dove bar. that is a good old saf department special so i know you like forrest gum a little bit does this remind you of that you have lived life a little bit like forrest gump. >> i've had some forrest gum

moments. i always think about him screaming at a genie >> i know this because i traveled on many of these miles, but you have the record for th most miles traveled by secretary of state do you have any places you would like to go back to it is such an amazing planet an amazing world so many amazing countries, i never got to really know, we were there for meetings. it was so great to go to som of these places and see th culture. >> mister secretary, it' wonderful to spend some time with you he always enjoy it >> thank you my thanks to my former boss, john kerry for spending some time with me this week congmi up next, i'm going to answer some questions you will had for me this week we'll be right back.

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