republican presidentia hopefuls descend on iowa president biden prepares t announce his reelectio campaign this week and the supreme court makes th right call on the abortion pill, at least for now i asked congresswoma alexandria ocasio-cortez about the political moment we are in during our sunday exclusive, and that is coming up first. plus, what are the keys to reelecting an incumbent from a tough starting position? former obama campaign manage is the last guy to do it and h joins me in just a few minutes meanwhile, ron desantis seem to be running against anything and everyone except the guy he is going to have to beat to wi the republican nomination, smart strategy i'm not so sure. and later, a walk in washingto

and a little ice cream wit senator turned presidentia nominee turned secretary o state john kerry i talked to one of my othe former boss is about the threa of climate change and the work he's doing to fight it many of us across the countr breathed a big sigh of relie on friday when the supreme court announced that the mos widely used abortion pill will remain available while an appeal moves forward. it's welcome news, but, let' be clear, the abortion pill is still in jeopardy, and the political stakes just got a lo higher whatever the appeals court decides, the case will likel end up before the supreme cour next year. meaning a final decision could come at the height of the 2024 presidential race. remember, roe v. wade wa overturned just a few months before the 2022 midterms and that turned out to be a majo

driver for democratic voters which brings us to the other major story to break this week after a long wait and a lot of speculation, president joe biden is finally ready to make it official. he is set to formally announce his campaign for reelection as soon as tuesday. the fight over women's right is undoubtedly going to be a major issue in the campaig that is now barreling forward. sat down with congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez thi week to thought a talk about the threat to abortion rights, kevin mccarthy and the republican house, her fight to address the climate crisis, an her thoughts on a bide reelection campaign. >> news just broke this week that biden is preparing to enter the 2024 presidentia race, as soon as maybe nex week your politics are clearly to the left of his, but you'v worked with him on a range o issues where has he exceeded your expectations and where has h disappointed you >> i think president biden has very much exceeded m

expectations in terms of investment in public infrastructure and what he did with the american rescue plan in really pushing, and i believe that if we were able t get items like minimum wag passed the senate i do believe that he would have signed thos as well. i think when it comes to issue around immigration and our criminal legal system, we have a long ways to go. >> what political advice would you give to him? i ask you because when he is running he needs to build coalition. he also has to appeal to a hug population that you very muc appeal to, what advice would you give to him? >> i think that we are in really important moment wher the landscape of america politics is shifting and the communities that hav historically been almost the center of the politica

universe, suburbs, certain affluent communities, whil still very important part of the political constellatio that is this country, youn people are entering an engaging in a way that has become a very real political force. it is a political force that - >> often underestimated. >> that is underestimated, but not underestimated by th republican party they are already discussing ho to engage with disenfranchisement towards young people in addition to th disenfranchisement that they imposed on people of color my advice would be well this balancing act is difficult, it is not something to be taken for granted and when we figh for the priorities of youn people in a multi class, multi racial, coalition, they will come out and fight for us. >> since the supreme court overturned roe, republican state legislatures have move

to rollback abortion access in 15 states so far passing nea total bans access to the abortion dru mifepristone has also been challenged it seems pretty clear that the fight for abortion access di not end with roe, in opponents of abortion access are still a it, very much. how bad do you think this will get for reproductive rights in the united states? >> i think we are in a in an extremely serious moment i believe the republican party is not starting at roe, they will not stop at roe, they wil not stop just at women's rights i believe that what we are seeing is a concerted rollback of civil liberties in general. a right to privacy, a right to bodily autonomy, a right t marry whomever we wish to marry, all of this is at risk, i do not think it will stop and many of the folks, there were so many people, when we were warning that roe was trul at risk, called progressives

hysterical they said that we were overestimating the risk, thi was never going to happen. and just as we warned about roe, we are warning about the ver real risks, and we are already seeing the attacks on tran americans, we are seeing the attacks on lgbt americans, w have even seen republica members of the senate insinuat that interracial marriage is something that should be up fo debate these are our civil rights and our symbolize and we have to resist we must resist these are attempts to rollback the basic human rights o certain communities of americans based on identity. >> this week fox news settle their defamation lawsuit wit dominion voting systems fo $700 million, it's one of th largest media defamation settlements in history, do you think in making the settlement dominion's lawyers made mistake in not requiring foxes

knowledge on air that it lie to its viewers >> well this was a corporation suing another corporation fo material damages their job is to go in and ge the most money that they can and i think they did that. they are not lawyers for the american public, and i think what is best for the country what would have been best fo the country would have been to demand that and to not settl until we got that. but that is not their role, so for us i think this really raises much larger questions of, very often, i believe that w leave to the courts to solve issues that politics is really supposed to solve, but our legislating is supposed to solve. we have very real issues wit what is permissible on air, an we saw that with january 6th we saw that in the lead up t

january 6th. how we navigate questions, not just a freedom of speech, bu also accountability fo incitement of violence, this i the line that we have to reall explore through law as well. -- >> so you think medi organizations or social medi platforms should be accountabl for the role, for bein platforms for incitement >> i believe that when it come to broadcast television like fox news, these are subject to federal law, federal regulatio in terms of what is allowed on air and what isn't and when you look at wha tucker carlson and some of these other folks on fox new do, it is very clearly incitement of violence very clearly incitement of violence and that is the line that think we have to be willing to contend with >> jim jordan, your friend has really been working overtime t make the argument that new yor

city is unsafe this is your home, where you represent, my mother grew up here on monday, jordan had the hous judiciary committee hold a field hearing in manhattan i order to attack the manhatta district attorney alvin bragg, part of his ongoing attacks on him, it's fair to say. arguing that his policies an focus on indicting trump has led to more crime. what is your response to jorda and this argument? >> well, first and foremost, i is a complete abuse of power for jim jordan to lead a congressional, a federal congressional hearing into municipal decisions. the reason he is abusing his power is because he has decide that his main job is to defend one individual, which is forme president trump, and not t represent his constituents o his district every municipality has the right to govern as they see fit, and it is not the federa government's responsibility to go in and micromanag

individual prosecutors on municipal level. that being said, his claim around safety, while every cit has their challenges what we are seeing in the cities tha jim jordan represents have fir higher incidents of violence than new york city does. and if we are actually concerned about crime, what we need to do is get guns off o streets. and because jim jordan and republican party does not want to address the crisis that i gun violence in america, the want to engage in a pursuit of political intimidation on th people who actually want t hold people accountable. >> in the midterms, hous republicans primarily ran on the economy, inflation, bu since they gain the majority o their focus has been primarily on investigations, stalkin culture worlds, this week they passed a transgender sportsman in schools one, what do you think of that but also, how would yo describe their vision? >> well, the reason republican

are so focused on these cultur wars, and they are so fixate on trans americans and lgb american and they are fixated on wha women do with their bodies i because they do not have a pla to improve the lives of workin people across the country. they just don't. we haven't heard a singl hearing or an idea that woul fundamentally make peoples material lives better. they have no plan on healt care, they have no plan on our economy. in order to distract from thei lack of preparation and thei lack of vision they are trying to attack some of the most vulnerable americans in this country. >> speaker mccarthy, in orde to become speaker, had to cu sums deals, we are one of th details on all of them do you think he's actually running his caucus or do you think someone else is >> he is not

>> who's running it? >> i think you have go marjorie taylor greene running the caucus, and she makes very common public statements t that effect. every time something irks her, she communicates that mccarthy is doing her bidding and i think that this is something that is quite clear. i think that speaker mccarth is stuck between having to please the most racist and heinous elements of his part with having to maintain majority and he is choosing to side wit the extremists >> do you worry he will have the votes to pass his debt limit proposal >> i don't and i think that that is actually the political situation we are in right now. it's that he is kind of brough himself up a creek without a paddle >> beautiful place, by the way

maritime in the bronx, they ar breaking ground on an offshore wind workforce development program, something you secured funding for. you have an enormous platform, you have since you were elected. why is the climate crisis issu you spent so much politica capital on >> i think up until now, u until very recently, it's been very difficult to generate political momentum aroun addressing climate change, especially on the scale that w need to be addressing it on. and there are so many issues that are so critically important, and we are very likely to have very strong political coalitions i know that when i was running this was something that wa just beginning to emerge, that same kind of political force and saliency around addressing the climate crisis so now it continues to be really important priority, not just for me but i think fo many policy makers, because we

also have to handle this in way that actually addresses th injustices that working clas people and communities of colo have faced in the crime of places, as well. >> you just reintroduced the green new deal when you talk about bi expensive programs that's wher you sometimes hit resistance, think. how do you convince thos people, people who believe climate change is real, it is crisis, but they are concerned that some of these proposa solutions are to grant our o too expensive. >> i think it is important t acknowledge that the scale and the scope of what we are proposing is massive but, the scale and the scope o the climate crisis is even bigger and if we are not proactiv about very aggressively an transformational addressing ou infrastructure, our workforce, our preparation for the climat crisis, then the cost of not addressing it are going to b far greater.

>> thank you to congresswoma alexandria ocasio-cortez for spending some time with me i her district this week i want to show you what sh said about florida governor ro desantis a little later in the show but first, my take on presiden joe biden's expected campaig announcement this week puzzle talk to someone who knows a thing or two about reelecting a president the man who helped barack obam win a second term will join me live in just a moment. and later, i spent some time with john kerry on the nationa mall in washington we talked about his new job an his family history o environmentalism we are just getting starte today, we'll be back after a quick break. n stains and odors, it can handle double trouble. for the #1 stain fighter and odor remover, it's got to be tide.

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2020 but this time, it's going to b different, for a whole bunch o reasons. for one thing, joe biden is th incumbent and only ten presidents have ever bee defeated seeking a second term the last incumbent to lose the white house before donald trum was george h. w. bush way back in 1992 incumbents have an advantage because, of course they do. after all, you are the leade of the free world, you have big fancy plane and hail to th chief plays every single tim you walk in the room ideally, you've also done some things that actually mak peoples lives better lik rebuilding roads in thei communities, doing something about climate change and addressing gun violence part o the case president biden wil make to the public after h announces his reelection campaign is that he needs more time to do more. and build on the things he has done during his first term >> we've been sent here to finish the job, in my view

let's finish the job two years in, we are makin progress, so let's finish th job. >> that is the message, let me finish the job i started in many ways it's what barac obama ran on back in 2012, a well but running as an incumben comes with challenges to you have to own how everything is going in the country. as the saying goes, the book kind of stops with you despite the unwillingness of republicans in congress to eve engage on immigration reform for example, president biden will be blamed by many peopl for the record number of migrants coming to the borde for mexico and despite historic job creation and slowing inflation he will still be blamed for th cost of gas and groceries no coming down faster the point is, when you are a president running fo reelection, you are the obviou and fair target for anyone who is disappointed. not just by the amount o progress, but even the speed o that progress during your time in office. running for the president th

first time is aspirational, yo can make all sorts of big bold promises running for reelection is when you actually get your report card from the american people. and then there is also a simpl stubborn mathematical fact looming over the president campaign he is and still would be the oldest president in american history. now, keep in mind, trump i also 76. but when you talk to voters, and according to a new nbc new poll out today, half of th people who responded who don't want biden to run say his ag is a major issue and you better believe tha that is on the minds of th presidents political team righ now. it has been for sometime, they are well aware the other thing that is on their mind is preparing for th possibility of a rematch wit the guy who has defied political gravity since he strolled down that escalator a trump tower. it may find in the face of logic, for me it does, but according to the same nbc poll

nearly 70% of republican voter are standing by donald trump even after two impeachments an his arrest in new york so all of this precedent o being an incumbent and history i've been talking about ma actually be turned on its head because a race against trump i definitely not a battle of policy ideas he doesn't have a ton of lon light papers or anything which is why the compariso that the white house is focuse on is not entirely on policy differences. it's between a competent president and a chaoti republican party competence versus chaos. as of now, that contrast i kind of playing out on its own biden did beat trump last time but he still has an incredibly tough fight ahead of him for the presidents team, especially the newer members who haven't heard him sa there's 100 times. it might be wise to print ou one of his favorite sayings, because it kind of sums up their tasks. >> my dad used to say don' compare me to the almighty compare me to the alternative.

>> don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to th alternative. that's basically what politics is is a choice if they succeed at that, succeeded laying out tha choice president biden may just get four more years in the white house. i can't think of a bette person to talk about what is happening behind the scenes as the white house prepares t announce the president campaign than the guy who ra the last successful reelection campaign for president that conversation is right after the break. so you can be there. everything from vitamin a to vitamin zs delivered in 1 hour. - representative! - sorry, i didn't get that. - oh buddy! you need a hug. you also need consumer cellular. get the exact same coverage as the nation's leading carriers and 100% us based customer support. starting at $20. consumer cellular.

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i'm very jealous of your backdrop thank you for taking the tim this morning i want to start, and i jus outlined some of the strengt of being an incumbent. incumbent president hasn't bee reelected in over ten years, you are the last person to hel pull that off. what do you think? what did i miss, first of all, and what do you think is the biggest challenge of running a reelection campaign fo president? >> well, jen, you are exactl right. there are so many challenges the first one is history making sure you don't get primary it's something that he spent a bunch of time early on both presidents in my lifetime jimmy carter and george bush first who got primaried lost t the general election so there' a lot of work to make sure tha happens. the second part is the numbers you know the country split right down the middle. joe biden beat donald trump by a total of 77,000 votes in a total of five states - it is just going to be reall close, part of what you have t

do is stop looking at the poll and just put your nose down an spend the next year gettin ready. the third thing is the economy a american voters are economic voters joe biden became the first president in our lifetime to win against donald trump whe he wasn't the favorite candidate on the economy they are really looking at that, that's a number i looked a every single day and last, you had it perfect it's the choice. the democrats need to make thi a choice i used to say to president obama, if this election is a reparation on the incumbent we could lose if it's a choice between us an mitt romney we will win. they're going to make sure the drive that choice and it's why things that the debt limit and other things are so importan because that is going to sho the american public the clea choice between democrats and republicans. >> there is so much preceden here of incumbents winning reelection, of course. even though it's very hard, as you just said. but trump is different, i thin we can all clearly state

if you were giving the presidents team advice, what would you tell them about ho to take on a potential trump candidacy? >> yeah, there's a coupl things, you are exactly right. he is the most underestimate political figure of ou lifetime and donald trump always unde polls in every single race h has been in. remember, it looked like tea biden was going to win by bunch and they barely held on. trump was also the bes counterpuncher i have ever seen it's why you see him start t screw with ron desantis an desantis has never started, ha started to go down but i would tell team biden' focus on yourself. for the next year just get you own ducks in a row, focus on the economy, focus on hi record, sell all those thing to the american public let the republicans whale away ons bi primary they are about to do and you just do the day toda of both running the country an building a campaign that i

unlike anything anyone has eve seen go do your version of what w did in 2012, and get ready for next year. but don't spend every da thinking about donald trump. spend every day thinking about you. >> as i look at th opportunities and challenges for the president and hi political team, the voters who responded to the end abc pol said that 40% cited his age as a major reason they don't want him to run again do you think that is his biggest challenge or is it something else >> i think that is clearly a challenge at the beginning as you said earlier, if it's donald trump, age just isn't a big of an issue. they are both senior citizens, and that's where they are. if it's someone younger than i could be a different issue but i think presidential campaigns are about the future you and i learned this int thousand 12. you have to tell the america public where you are going t take them. for the next six or nine month biden is going to talk about all the great things he did an that is super important becaus

it credential as is what h wants to do. he says, i can do this but then he needs to go and sa the job isn't finished, an here is where i am going t take this country. and that is just incredibl important. in the end, that's why so many voters vote for him, that's wh so many democrats get excite to support him the age is obviously an issue, they're going to do everything that they can do to negate it. but i think vision and messaging, what you were s good at, about talking to th american people about th choice that is in front of them that is the key challenge. >> so i'm going to have a fe thoughts on ron desantis's strategy, or lack thereof late on the show. but he has largely refrained from attacking trump by name this is about as far as he i willing to go. i'm going to play video an then we'll talk about it on th other end. >> leaders take the bull by th horns and make the decisions for themselves they don't subcontract out their leadership to health

bureaucrats like doctor fauci. >> so is that the kind of hand off approach that is going t work in your view? >> absolutely not. and you already know it's no working. he has dropped 12 points in th republican poles since the beginning of the year. to beat the king you have to take on the king and what trump is so good at i the counter punching, and that is what desantis is worrie about. desantis is just hoping that donald trump goes away because of prosecutions or some othe thing and he can just not sa anything bad because what he is worried about, why he's not puttin trump's two reasons, one, he's a chicken and knows that donal trump will punch him back in the face, and to, he doesn't want to offend the mag constituency that he thinks he needs to win the primary it doesn't work like that. you saw that into thousand eight in the famous obam versus clinton eventually you have to look at the country and say this is th

difference between the two candidates and after the primary let' have the whole party com together and get ready desantis's strategy is bad political -- >> jim messina, thank you, chicken i'm going to keep that in my mind thank you for joining me thi morning. coming up, john kerry has had lot of jobs but his sole focus now is on climate action hear what he says needs to b done to get more people in united states to pay attention to climate change. but first, ron desantis had pretty tough week for reason i'll explain as we go to break, som thoughts from aoc about th florida governor, we are bac after this >> i think that governor desantis has made some ver large critical errors. i think he is weaker then -- >> what are his biggest errors >> you can't out trump trump and that is what he has been trying to do his attacks on teachers, o schools, on lgbt americans,

think go way too far in th state of florida and i think that they ar profound political miscalculations, and i overcompensation he may be trying to win a base but that base belongs to the don trump. and he has sacrificed, i think the one thing that others ma have thought would make hi competitive, which is this ide that he would somehow be mor rational then donald trump which he isn't i'm jessica layton in new york with this news update. the state department is clos to the u.s. embassy in sudan and evacuated staff. fighting between sudanes government forces an parliamentary groups i intensifying in that country's capital. an estimated 16,000 american remain in the country. two homes in utah were destroyed in a landslide saturday thankfully, no one was hur but. officials are monitoring the neighborhood just south of sal

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anything except his likely opponent, donald trump surprise supporters, the strategy is not really working it's not taking. don't take my word for it, republican observers are als taking note. >> i think that ron desantis has just faded away the last five and a half months talking about wokeness, and disney that >> i just want to observe that governor desantis is close t making a fool of himself wit his walt disney obsession. desantis should make a deal an stop already he's not running against wal disney for president >> so kellyanne conway and larry could lo mein out exactl be neutral observers here, but they are not wrong either. members of congress are also taking note of this floo strategy i'm not really a believer that most endorsements really matter, but trump has kind o humiliated desantis when i comes to securing support from republican lawmakers it's not exactly a sign of momentum that desantis, th

supposed king of florida republican politics secure only one endorsement from hi own state's delegation i congress, while trump ha secured 11 and voters are also taking note in the latest nbc news poll, desantis trails donald trump b a whopping 15 percentage points, with 31% to trump's 46 and if you look at the polling average since early march, you can clearly see desantis downward trajectory, that's no where you want to go now, according to th governor's own words, he considers himself a fighter. and he has leaned into tha tough guy image pretty hard. >> the rules of engagement are as follows number one, don't fire in less fired upon, when they fire, yo fire back with overwhelmin force. number two, never ever backe down from a fight. >> so the top gun references there, first of all, are not exactly subtle but where is the fight governor

sure we've heard some thinly veiled critiques, but not single clean blow. is it that you are just more comfortable standing up to mickey and minnie mouse then t the guy you actually need to defeat to win the nomination if you are waiting for tha perfect magic moment to take o donald trump, you are waitin too long just ask president ted cruz. coming up, a conversation abou climate change activism with john kerry and yes, there was ice cream to we show you that conversatio after a quick break. to get prebiotic, plant-based fiber. with the same amount of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy way to get your daily fiber.

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weekday mornings at ten on msnbc. >> you are watching msnbc. dog >> dog >> john kerry has been a soldier, a senator presidential nominee, secretar of state, and even my former boss two times over. now he is back at the stat department in a new-ish role president biden's special envo for the climate. the thread tying his impressiv resume together is activism.

back in 1971 he spoke ou against the vietnam war. >> how do you ask a man to b the last man to die in vietnam how do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? >> today more than 50 year later, john kerry is still speaking out his current mission, combattin our climate crisis so as we celebrate earth day this week, i caught up with hi on the national mall for a wid ranging discussion and a littl desert >> secretary kerry, it's s good to see you. >> great to see you. >> how are you >> good to see you >> i got you out of the office i know this, but i'm not a lot of people may know that your mother was ahead of her time she was kind of an environmentalist >> more than kind of, she wa all in she got us up some warnings ou for in the morning to go on nature walk and she would poin

out the birds and she woul show us the value of carin about the environment around you. it began in the very early age and stuck. >> it clearly stuck. you were there for the first earth day, what was that like? >> it was exhilarating energizing because 20 millio americans came out of thei homes all around america tha same day it was the first major movemen like that on the environment people rebelled and it mad things happen, that's what's exciting about it, it really did. >> how do you think we can reinvigorate and get that kind of activism and excitement bac and engaged. >> i think some of that is happening right now, i think w are in the middle of a incredible growing movement. and i see it with young people all around the world, youn people are saying wait a minute, what do you guys doing to us you're going to leave us without a planet, with a pla it doesn't work, that's dying, that's got all these problems? but i am encouraged. i feel in optimism because i a in the middle of working wit

people who are doing things. and you see the pace is pickin up the amount of money committe to research and development. and the jobs that are bein created, this is an economic boon if we grab it and get moving on it >> a recent poll from august voters rank climate change i the fifth most important issue and you make the case for bein number one >> it's getting hotter there are going to be more intensive weather events, an it will cost us an awful lot more money so as that happens, as peopl see their farms, the crops ripped away, or the home destroyed. you watch the pressure build i believe we are in transformational moment. i think this will be one of if not the, it will be one of the top three issues in the 24 presidential election, n question in my mind. >> so you are the specia presidential envoy for climate that's quite a title you are back in the building where you are the secretary of state, has that been going >> we were coming off of fou years of president trump's non

stewardship of almost anything he had zero money in the budge for climate. he was pulling us out, h pulled us out of paris we had to start to reestablish credibility for the united states on a global basis >> how hard was it to rebuil that trash that this is an issue that the united states wants to lead on >> we still have a lot of work to do, jen, we are just not at the pace in size and scope and scale we need to be to beat th goal of keeping the earth' temperature limited to 1.5 degrees celsius. we could do it, but we have to do more than we are doing now. and nobody should be a doomsda advocate, we can do this there are incredible thing happening right now that i think don't get factored int some of the predictions. >> so a lot of your career unfolded right here. you camped out in the mall during your days protestin vietnam, how many member memories does this bring bac for you? >> i think this is america's

first amendment freedom park it's hallowed protest ground for everybody. we had about 5000 veterans o the war in vietnam who cam here and began that march, the march president lincol memorial all the way up to the capitol and then camped on the mall at the capitol. >> and you are one of them >> i was one of among many who came who put themselves on the line some of them in wheelchairs, some of them on crutches it was powerful. >> very powerful, now 38 years after that you became chairman of the senate foreign relation committee. when you are sleeping on the mall and a part of thi movement at the time protestin the war, did you ever envision that >> no, i envision that we woul all be arrested and i woul have a record and we have to look for some other career >> so you almost won the presidency, i worked on your campaign but after that, a lot of peopl when they run for president an they don't win, they kind of disappear from the publi

sphere or from public service. you didn't do that did that experience running fo president change you >> it did change me because we came within a hair of winning, i think there were some things we could've done a littl better, then we would've won but i didn't come away feeling like we lost the battle of ideas. i purposely did not want t just hold up and go lick m wounds or something. i just said, no that would b an insult. >> what do you hope, whe people say i have to worry about th planet and whether we ar advancing, it sounds kind of highfalutin when i say that, but the planet is at risk. >> i remember well that yo have bit of a sweet tooth, d you want to get some ice cream over there >> that would be the nail on the head

>> how are you got some good ice cream. >> what we have here, a dove bar? that's a good old stat department special all have a dove bar to so i know you like forrest gump, to this remind you, you've lived a life a little bit like forrest gump >> i've have some forrest gump moments, every time i'm around here am screaming jenny -- >> i know this because i'v traveled on many of these, but you have the record for th most miles traveled by a secretary of state do you have any places you would like to go back to t visit? >> everywhere. honestly, it's such an amazing planet, world, so many amazing countries. i never got to really know you come wheeling in, you ther for meetings, it's so great to go to some of these places, th

history and the culture. >> well, mister secretary, wonderful dispensable time wit you, tears with dove bars, always enjoy it. >> thank you, thanks so much >> my thanks to my former boss john kerry for spending some time with me this week coming up next, i'm going to answer some questions you al had for me this week, we'll be right back

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great questions coming in yo did. i have time for a couple thi morning. peter says, i would appreciate

some details on the feinstei dilemma. so, peter, when the main power you have with the senate majority - is confirming judges feinstein sits on the judiciar committee and without her we can't advance judicial nominee for a full vote. she has been out since early march so therefore nominee have - replaced on the committee, recently did, that republicans need to agree to that. and they refused to. so right now it is a littl stop steve asks, as a skilled professional communication representative, thank you steve, can you break down why facts care to much about not agreein to acknowledge they lied as an organization, even thoug anyone can report that they di line also report they don' want to say so on their ow network? i think you answered prett your question there steve. but remember, this all started because they didn't want t upset their viewers with the truth. not much has changed they don't want to tell thei viewers. so for them, they have made th calculation that throwing mone at the problem feels a lot les painful than being required to acknowledge they knowingly

shared false information wit their own viewers. that does it for me tonight. we will be back here nex sunday at noon eastern stay where it where you ar because there's much more news coming up on msnbc >> tonight, on the mehdi hasan show, civil rights attorne benjamin crump is here his client, 16-year-old ralp yarl, shot by a man who was fe a diet of fear and paranoia by conservative cable news. plus, the fight to hol clarence thomas accountable fo his multiple ethical lapses. why are democrats playin hardball and the kennedys are calling out one of their own as he announces a controversial ru for president. good evening