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discuss democrats and thei progressive dreams for tha swing state. protecting reproductive rights he [inaudible] won his pro trust platform he's leading the charge to tak back systematic system abortion i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. >> the 2024 presidential election is here almost you think i'm joking consider this set of facts nbc news is reporting that president biden is expecting t formally relaunch his campaign this week on tuesday new polling from nbc out today shows that 70% of all american do not think joe biden shoul make another run for the white house. not exactly ideal numbers fo the sitting president. you would think seriou democratic rivals would be chomping at the bit to challenge biden, but they ar not. that's probably because hidden

within that nbc news poll was huge gift for democrats an president biden. nearly two thirds of gop primary voters just under 70 say they stand firmly behind donald trump and dismiss concerns about his electability his recent criminal arrest and other legal investigations and about his past conduct republican voters simply don't care that the high priest of maga is perhaps a soon to be felon, just like they didn't care about the access hollywoo tape or the seemingly countles bankruptcies or his allege episodes of infidelity or the simple reality that the man is an extraordinarily toxi political candidate. now, put that polling into thi context. courtesy of axios which ha dived into the gop's epi losing streak. guess what, all of this come back to one man, donald trump. trump's reign over the republican party comprises first a disastrous midterm i 2018, a lost white house i 2020, two blown runoff elections in georgia resulting

in democratic senate majorities, and then, of course, another dreadful midterm in 2022 surprise surprise, according t more new pulling those legal issues are a real liability fo trump, making it even more likely that he fails in 2024 what can i say, folks, logic strategy, pragmatism they really don't seem t matter anymore to th republicans. there used to be an adage in politics, democrats fall i love, republicans fall in line thanks to trump, that ha officially been turned on it head despite biden's current poll numbers, history shows tha democrats will almost certainl fall in line with presiden biden, just as they did back i 2020 republicans, meanwhile, they are still head over heels in love with a twice impeached ex president who lost his reelection bid and was jus indicted on 34 felony counts i manhattan. in short, 2024 could ver

likely be a 2020 reduction, an we know how that turned out fo the first time joining me now is the chair of the department of africa american studies at princeto university and -- here on set, lisa reuben, an msnbc lega analyst. it's great have all three of you with us. professor, i'll start with you your reaction to the new nbc news polling, and what do yo think of that contention tha thanks to trump it i republicans who are now fallin in love and democrats who fall in line. >> well i think it makes sense we know that the republica party has been somewhat overru by elements that are anti-democratic, authoritarian so we need to understand tha for what it is it's a cult of personality on certain level, but ideological currents strive in this. it also makes sense that there is some skepticism aroun president biden running fo reelection

understanding that if he runs, that we will fall in line. progressives and liberals an even some independents wil fall in line given the threa that the republican part presents to th polity. that's key, biden ran initiall for the soul of america. he argued that it was really about the question o democracy. that question is still on th table, it is still on th ballot in the upcoming presidential election, it seem to me. >> to that point, renee, professor makes a great poin about what is at stake in 2024 it is just as serious as it wa in 2020. let's be clear, the majority o americans don't want biden o trump as their next president. biden has done what he promise to do. he has defeated donald trump but even though trump himsel keeps losing, trumpism keeps expanding. his movement has metastasize taking over the republican party. is joe biden the guy to take that on? do democrats need a differen

candidate to defeat trumpism and not just trump >> i don't think that there is going to be another candidate. the democratic candidate i going to be the nominee, the nominee is going to be joe biden. i don't think that there is whole lot democrats can do about that they may have other ideas abou who they want in that job. they may have other ideas abou who they want to run against in all likelihood, donal trump. but it is going to be joe biden, and they are going to get in line because they understand what i at stake they don't want donald trump t be president they would not even want him t be the nominee for republicans but they do not want donal trump to be the president. at this point, joe biden is in the best position to keep that from happening i don't think democrats ar going to mess around with that there is too much at stake, an they understand that what the republicans do, wha the republican base does - democrats are going to get i line behind you. biden. >> lisa, he's running again,

donald trump is obviousl running again, we do expect jo biden to make that announcemen on tuesday let's talk about the legal implications for what donald trump is facing. you have the trial brought forth by e. jean carroll, that is set to take place or star this coming week that is going to cast a larg shadow over donald trump and his campaign but what legal jeopardy coul he possibly be in, given all the various challenges that he now faces? >> the legal jeopardy from the e. jean carroll trial is a civil trial, the legal jeopard there is damages but it is also the reputatio of damage of having been found to be a person who sexuall assaulted an accuser we've never seen that kind o accountability for donald trum at any court of law, crimina or civil with respect to the othe investigations obviously we have the manhatta d. a. already indicting donald trump. now we are waiting to see th weather the things that th voters consider more serious the georgia investigation, and then jack smith's twin investigations into both trump planning of january 6th an

also his retention o classified documents potentially even showing the off to visitors and aids while federal agencies were trying t recover them >> eddie, i want to share with all of you, some breaking news from the beginning of the show that is on this subject matter president biden plans to tap julie chavez rodriguez to ru his reelection campaign. this, again, according to su sources familiar with th decision that we just learne about, including one of them being a white house official confirming to nbc news thi information. she is the granddaughter o labor leader cesar chavez. she is the senior adviser to joe biden at the white house and director of the office o inter governmental affairs is it too early, i guess, but ask you, your reaction to that announcement that she is going to be tearing his reelection campaign >> i think it's an important decision i think it has some symbolic significance, but at the end o the day, representation only

takes us so far. kind of historical kind of connections only take us s far. oftentimes, ayman, i feel like we are in this moment we are caught and drowning in the politics of nostalgia. what i mean by that is that th republican party is trying t re-litigate the mid 20th century, relitigate the issu around voter rights, women's rights, lgbtq gay rights, an the democratic party is trying to grab hold of the symbolic significance of the 60s. there is always this kind of retrieval of those symbols this is important, i want to admit that, but it is not sick fish and, we have to do th work on the ground >> speaking of the work, renee i wanted to get your reactio to new polling from the wall street journal that finds that most republican primary voters say that fighting woke ideolog in schools and businesses is more important to them tha protecting medicare and social

security cuts. i think a big part of th mentality of democrats for a while was try to win voter across the aisle, independen voters, are we getting to point of foregoing that an saying the democrats need to try and use as much turnout as possible, mobilizing energizing their base, and trying to win over people wh believe woke ideology is a threat to this country >> i mean, absolutely. i think the republicans have completely lost the narrativ at this point of what is important, and what they shoul be concerned about aside from the fact that mos of them probably can't identif what woke means anyway they are so drill down on this they are so brainwashed by thi that they aren't even paying attention to things like medicaid like the economy, the additional things that republicans like to claim that they care about. i think this is an opportunity for democrats to drill down on what matters i do think they should b confronting what is happenin with book banning, and wha they are doing to trans kids absolutely but i do think they also hav

to look at these other issue if they want to reach across the aisle and bring over som of those people who maybe don' feel like talking about woke ideology, whatever that is, is what republicans should be concentrating on >> at least, let me ask yo logistics. these trials coming down the pipeline, certainly the e. jea carroll one, the potential manhattan d. a. one, depending on the time when it starts possibly stuff from jack smith all of that could fall durin the peak of the presidential campaign season. are we expecting to see donald trump in the courtroom or on the campaign trail logistically speaking, which trials does he have to b physically present at, can you miss hearings? >> you can't really miss hearings because you're at a campaign event there are some circumstances i which you can wave a appearance at a criminal hearing, - you can't waive an appearance, for example, at the trial. >> you have to be there fo your own trial >> what he might try to do i kick the can down the road

because if donald trum sincerely believes he might ge reelected as president, all he needs to do is move this pas january 21st of 2025, when h conceivably could be president again. and then what happens then all bets are off because in th federal system a sitting president is immune from prosecution. >> it's a scary thought, we're seeing a little bit of tha play on israel with prim minister netanyahu is doin there, trying to kick the ca for his judicial investigation some people are saying tha could happen here in thi country as well. panel, stick around, we've got a lot more to discuss after th break. the fake electors who supporte trump's efforts to overturn th 2020 election in georgia are turning on each other. but first, jessica layton is here with the headline >> hey, ayman, good to be here let's get the latest on sudan. u.s. forces have evacuated 100 personnel from the embassy a violence in the countr escalates. the state department say operations at the embassy ar

temporarily suspended. meanwhile, president biden released a statement saying, quote, on my orders the u.s. military conducted an operatio to extract u.s. government personnel from khartoum. i receiving regular report from my team on their ongoin work to assist americans i sudan to the extent possible the president also called fo an immediate cease fire. thousands of americans hav been caught in the middle of the two factions fighting fo control of the sudanese capita for the past two weeks hundreds of innocent civilians have died, and the state department does confirm one u. s. citizen was killed in tha conflict i'm jessica layton, stic around for more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after this break. break. ked with naturally derived plant ingredients you love, and none of the stuff you don't. our sulfate-free collections smell incredible... ♪

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while we have been focused elsewhere, this week new court documents revealed the fak electors who were part of trum 's plot to subvert the 202 election in georgia ar starting to turn on each other according to a new court filing, the fulton county district attorney's office says som fake electors have indicated each other in potentia criminal activity. what's more, the d. a.'s offic alleges that a lawye representing ten of the fake electors never told her client they were offered immunity deals last summer. district attorney fani willi is now pushing to have tha lawyer, kimberly burrows debri thrown off the proceedings debra vehemently denies th accusation, my panel is back lisa, i'll start with you. if these allegations are tru about the lawyer who i representing the electors an not telling her clients that they were offered this potential immunity deal, wha would that mean to the overall case, potential case, that may be in the pipeline

>> that's a serious ethica violation. what's even more concerning to me, ayman, is that she has certain clients who implicated another of her clients, no just another of the electors another one of her clients o potential criminal wrongdoing. the fact that she sat ther while the clients who were accusing were sitting in wit the dea, and now those, nose information that is relevant t her other clients criminal culpability, that's just a n win situation. the law prohibits that >> does this blow up all of th stuff that phony willis ha been doing before in terms o the timeline not necessarily the work, bu does it delay a potentia indictment that people wer anticipating announcing in may >> i think it could, these ten people that kimberly ros represented, if the de succeeds, all of them woul have to find new council theoretically, if certain of them are going to be witnesses they will need to have lawyers representing them before she can go forward do they have a stronger case i they stick together?

>> i don't think so. clearly some folks here made the calculation that the act that they engaged in weren't a bad as some things that others have done. we already know that the georgia republican party chairman david schaffer ha been a part of this group of ten, it was a group of 11, right. earlier this year, the judge said no way, you can't represent all 11 of them that suggests to me that already david shaver wasn' hotter water than the othe ten. >> renee, there's a ne associated press poll that finds more americans believe trump acted illegally in the george or scheme than any othe case he is facing. what do you make of that, do you think that general sense that americans have that georgia was really central to lot of the efforts to overturn the 2020 election will actuall result in an indictment? >> what we all heard the raffensperger call when donald trump essentiall says i just need 11, 000, 78 votes. people have a listen to that

tape over and over again for the last two years now they heard the criminality they heard he was making thi effort to pressure georgia officials to overturn that election so that's the case for a lot o people a lot of people are surprise it hasn't come to an indictmen already because it is so clear what was happening but on top of that, we are now seeing the full breadth of the attempted criminality when w talk about fake electors, when we talk about plans to acces voting machines in georgia there was so much going on because that was the linchpi of this election to donald trump and his surrogates if they could get georgia flip he would be president. i think, again, that phone cal is what has pushed so many people to think that this is the case this is the one that, if you'r going to get donald trump, it' going to be in georgia >> perhaps an indication o that, eddie, is that according to campaign finance laws you have the republicans in georgi paying the legal bills of thes

fake electors to the tune of about $300,000 and some change it seems like money is not the objects here for republicans i defending what happened in georgia. what is the political caused i this is true what they did, an there is an indictment, what i the political cost for republicans for what they trie to do there? >> well, i mean, it seems to m one cost, of course, would b the presidency it will certainly blow up th party in a certain sense but these people don't reall care about the rule of law it's one thing i tend to think of republicans in this particular moment as believing that liberty is fo them, authorities for the rest of us. so what it would mean for them of course, it will hurt thei political chances. but i think it's reall important for us, the poll dat is insightful, but if the la has been broken in new york, i the law has been broken in georgia, if the law has been

broken in d. c., it needs to b held to account in each of those faces, no matter what is being viewed as more important but the political cost hopefully, well should be, i should be, that the republican party is no longer seen as a kind of a legitimate secon party, it seems to me. they are coconspirators, i some way that might be a bit overstated but it might be true >> do democrats make it central point of the 202 campaign that this guy of this party is potentially the par of the ends our democracy an keep hammering that home they did it in 2020, they're going to try to do it again in 2024 >> absolutely. it is being felt across th board. it is being felt by women, i is being felt by young people, it is being felt by africa americans, is being felt b those who are often viewed a not american democracy is on the ballot still. democracy is still at stake. what is the principal, who are the principal actors i

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agencies to seize guns owned b those considered a threat to themselves or others more broadly, the measure is just one of a handful of progressive policies ushered into law by democrats sinc winning the legislature last november they repealed the states 193 abortion ban, they added lgbtq rights in the states int discrimination protections they pass to working familie tax credit, and they eve became the first state i decades to repeal the unio restricting like right to work law. in short order, democrats have re-fashioned a state tha donald trump won in 2016 into laboratory of progressiv economic and social policies could that work for the rest o the country? joining me now is michigan democratic state senator mallory mcmorrow thank you so much state senato for coming back on the slow, i is good to see you again let's talk about how you think michigan democrats got to this point. i mean, i think, as i just sai a few short years ag republicans had total contro of state government and don' trump won in 2016.

>> look, i want to be clear. this was a change 40 years i the making the legislature has been under republican control my entire lifetime michigan was one of the most badly gerrymandered states i the country. but in 2018, voters passed a constitutional amendment t create an independent citizens redistricting commission then we had the dobbs decision we had prop 3 which codified abortion access in our state constitution, it help dry votes, and we had incredibl candidates who are running hard michigan is not the far-righ state that gerrymanderin would've had to believe. >> let's talk abou reproductive rights here for a moment which was a centerpiece of michigan democrats campaign messaging in 2022. what is your reaction to the supreme court decision, an would you like to see your state do even more to protec reproductive care?

voter said that abortion and reproductive rights are constitutional right here in the state of michigan that means accessing safe medical care i think the supreme court gives us all a sigh of relie if we know anything especially for the past year, it's that our work is not done we need t continue to push on the stat level, that here in michigan are fundamental rights and our freedom is protected no matter what the supreme court does. >> i want to ask you about thi yeah term, michigan becoming the anti florida, talk to me about the broader idea but behind how and why equine that >> so, look. states are the laboratories of democracy. we see everything as tested ou in the states before it make its way up to the federa level. again, with dobbs. dubbed put states on the frontlines it has indicated how important these actually are if you look at michigan versus florida right now. ron desantis is gearing up t maybe run for president agains that other guy from florida.

and right now, he's trying everything they are banning books, they are banning saying gay, they are banning abortion they are banning fundamental safety but meanwhile, casting permi -less carry in the middle of the night. you're going to have more guns on the street, regardless of what, whether or not you have license for. meanwhile, here in the midwest we are protecting people we are sending a clear signa to democrats that we can fight back and we can win. and that no matter who you are no matter who you love, you're going to be welcome in michigan, you will be protected, and w will make sure you have grea opportunities. >> let me ask you about your recent decision that you would not seek the senate seat being vacated by michigan senator -- talk to us about that decision you clearly gained nationa recognition over the las couple of years and many fel this might be an opportune tim for you to take what you hav done in michigan to the u.s. senate >> we've got to stop looking a

washington as the only thing that matters i think that is something that has been really irritating t me is this idea that somehow state legislatures are the bench, and that always implies that higher office means tha it is somehow a promotion. and that gets us back into thi mess that we started in. where we ignore what i happening in the states an state legislatures and the they chip away and chip away and before we know it, we've lost two thirds of controls of state legislatures like we did starting in 2009 i mean exactly the place i nee to be right now. with a democratic trifecta for the first time in my lifetime. iran to improve the lives of the people of the state of michigan there is no where i can do tha better than right here in th state legislature. >> what is it that you are working on next. michigan democrats have wrappe up a series of impressiv winds. what you need to keep doing? >> we need to keep proving tha social issues are economic issues i am now working with many o

my colleagues on reforming our approach to economic development. to make sure that we send th signal to the rest of th country that the talent, the people are going to be welcome here and we are going to do what we need to do to expand into clea energy, to continue pivoting our mobility industry, our automotive industry to compete and to make sure that people are clambering to be here fo all of those reasons and more. >> michigan state senato mallory mcmorrow, always a pleasure, thank you for coming back on the show >> thanks, ayman >> a head, the stunning autops report shedding new light on the protester killed january b georgia state troopers at th site of what critics call co city h... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives you long-lasting, non-drowsy relief. (psst psst) flonase. all good.

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terã¡n died with during a confrontation with police in january. this week in autopsy results finally made public and we learned that manuel paez terã¡n- had been shot 57 times the wounds were so extensive that a loose round fell out of their shirt sleeve while coroners were getting the body ready to be examined police say he shot first friends have insisted thei hands were raised. as much as this is a story about excessive force, it is also about police reform and how hard it is to achieve that here in the u.s. the deadly shooting occurred when authorities were trying t clear out an encampmen protesting the construction of a massive police trainin facility just outside of atlanta. many, including the mayor,

support the project and see it as a solution to the citie crime problem. but critics see it as th embodiment of military style policing and a hard turn fro the reforms so many have calle for in the wake of george floy 's death in 2020 the site is to include a shooting range, a drivin course for high-speed chas practice and most controversial, a fake city so officers can practic rates in a life like setting it's no wonder it's opponent have dubbed it cop city. since that deadly standoff protests have reached a boilin point. the city eventually made som concessions, peering down th site from 150 acres to 85. and the proposal passed. but here's the sad irony toward to de-to have bee protesting the very thing that killed him, excessive policing a projected 43% of futur trainees coming from out o state police departments t learn militarized urban warfar in capacity, one thing is clear, this will fundamentally change the way we do policing in this country. some say, not for good

and even air back with me. eddie, there are legitimat concerns about crime i atlanta. i'm from georgia, i know those conversations have been goin on for a long time but as i mentioned, this i something that is going to hav national ramifications due t the fact that this trainin site, this cop city will actually be training peopl from out of state. how did we, as a country, go from having this appetite to rollback the militarization of the police, to what is now essentially the opposite wit this training site >> because we were thrown into a discourse around law and order, remember, during th midterms that's all we heard crime, crime, crime. and we found ourselves right back in the framework of a way of talking about policing that was generated in the 80s, in some ways. the context have been returned to a question of law and order precisely because there wa this kind of concerted attac from both sides of the aisle actually, on the phrase defund

the police what we have is this wash rins and repeat, ayman. that is to say we have thi issue of crime and we respon in certain ways by talking about the police and thinkin about policing in ways that go us right where we are right no in this moment >> brunei, the interesting thing about this project among many that has people concerned is the 90 million dollar price tag largely funded by th atlanta police foundation whic is a multi million dolla nonprofit that is supporting the atlanta pd financially what is the danger in allowing a foundations like this that are not accountable to the public to fund projects that have a direct influence on the way governments and police departments turnaround and police us? >> i think you already said it the lack of accountability who are these people, what i this money, and what impact is this going to have on thes communities? we already know that there are so many communities that are

over policed we already know that polic departments are militarized. if you are militarizing th communities you serve as the enemy. nothing good comes of us especially when you have these shadowy groups being funde enormously and not being accountable to anyone to where this money goes and how it's going to be used the taxpayers have no say, the residents have no say in havin these sorts of things in their communities. >> eddie, there are a lot of massive corporations that ar sponsoring this, to. it kind of underscores how complex this police reform issue was. many well-known companies that took the opportunity t publicly declare their commitment to racial justice after george floyd who was killed, and we should mentio that the facilities being buil right beside a predominantly black community in decapitated just outside of atlanta. talk to us about the danger of corporate influence here you have this not-for-profit foundation and corporate

interest to the public say one thing and then turn around and contribute dollars to advancin this type of policing. >> right, i mean this is reall important. we don't - in terms of watching corporations embrace socia movements for their own bottom line in other words, they can modif efforts to pursue justice in pursuit of their own profits we have to understand that let's think about this, 57 shots, 57 bullets. and then they said that perhap he shot at them first. the dekalb medical examiner, from what i've read, said ther was no gun residue on the hand think about that this is the very form of policing that hundreds o thousands of people were in th streets over and here we are, right here, right back where we starte from it's horrifying in every way >> even the message that i being sent, rene, back in earl march you had 20 of thes

capacity protesters charge with domestic terrorism. officials say that they were throwing model tough cocktails and sending equipment at the site on fire i'm thinking to myself domestic terrorism charges for these protesters that are no really memories of the state when we have seen other things happening in this country ge the label of domestic terrorism, things i would argue o domestic terrorism >> and look how quickly that charge came. that was almost instant bu they said domestic terrorism so the idea of being domesti terrorists is that your enem of the state, the police of th state, what does that mean for everyone else. the idea that you cannot protest against this facility, you cannot protest against the police makes you an enemy of the state in their eyes. that's terrifying. and as the professor said, 5 shots it's extraordinary

in the body of one person if the idea was they felt tha they were in danger, there was no gun residue, there was no gunpowder on his hands, why wa this necessary you talk about the over-policing. over policing is shooting on person 57 times. >> eddie, your thoughts on the domestic terrorism charges something about january 6th, w spent months debating whethe that qualified is domestic terrorism in this country, and whether or not it was trying t advance a political ideology and these 20 protester policing, protesting polic reforms in their city, they go charged with domesti terrorism. >> you don't need to state the point very clearly people in this country are mor comfortable with fascism tha they are with progressivism. they are more lenient with fascist forces than they are with those who are claiming to argue or fight for justice the left, demonized, the so-called far-right, embraced. that has a long history in thi

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waiting for the courts to make a final decision on medication abortion congressman pat ryan of ne york and congresswoman lizzi fletcher of texas have introduced a joint resolutio that would reaffirm the fda' final approval of medication abortion, and would allo providers to continu prescribing it last year you may recall congressman ryan won a special election in a new york strip swing district on campaignin on reproductive freedom. just months later he won again using that same strategy which at that time some questioned congressman pat ryan joins m again. it's great to have you back on the show always appreciate talking to you about this and much more as a vocal advocate fo abortion rights, what was your reaction to the supreme court' ruling friday night? >> i think we can take a sligh

moment to take a breath, but this is far from over. this is the culmination, the continued accumulation o decades, now, of extreme far-right hell-bent on ripping away a core american freedom reproductive freedom, the righ for a woman and their doctor t control their own health car decisions and their own bodies we have to be clear that the are going to continue to pus for a national abortion ban an our bill is meant to be one of a multiple set of legislativ pushes that will allow us to protect and reinstate this cor reproductive freedom for all americans. >> let me ask you into parts how does your bill do that tell us more about the bil you've introduced with congressman fletcher, and also what are the chances that it will come out of a republica -controlled house, a republica house that i would argue has shifted to the far-right

>> so our bill is called the rip protecting reproductiv freedom act. it's particularly about th mifepristone ban, or attempted van, coming out of thi disastrous decision in texas my colleague lizzie fletcher i a congresswoman from texas o the ground who has bee fighting on this issue our bill is simple, it reinstates and ensures that th fda can approve mifepristone and all other medications, b the way, mifepristone as i think folks know has been used for over two decades now safely it accounts for over 50% o abortions conducted across the country. our bill would reinstate and ensure that authority remain for the fda. >> let me switch gears, if i can, to gun reform, sir. you are a veteran yourself, yo represent a district at lean pro gun. you've called for an assault

weapons ban. how do you communicate wit voters in a swing district about gun reform and avoid the usual knee-jerk conclusion tha you are trying to take awa their guns or infringe upo their freedoms >> what we hear an awful lot about public safety from the other side you want to talk about publi safety i've got a four year old in on year old the fact that i have to get feeling in the pit of my stomach when i drop them a daycare, that's not safety the fact that in my home state of new york, when a young woma gunned down just for literally turning into the wrong driveway, that's not safety. safety means the weapons i carried in combat for 27 months, weapon designed purely to kill human beings en masse, the air 15, that was its origins going back to the 60s. they don't belong in our streets. weapons of war don't belong in our streets. just the other day i was

getting food with my son, constituent came up and said i'm a responsible gun owners no wind needs the ar-15s i think that's where the majority of the american peopl are, certainly in my district. it's actually about th far-right members actually stopping and listening to thei constituents >> i would like to get you reaction to this harrowing statistic, if i can, sir, from the associated press we are not even halfway throug 2023 yet this year has see more mass killings than an other year in the same tim period since 2009. this comes as a woman in upstate new york, as you jus talked about, she was recently shot to death by a homeowner after pulling simply into th wrong driveway of course, we all know the story of ralph yarl as well. or events like these, couple with those startling statistics, enough to change minds >> it has to be enough this is not the country that i

risked my life to defend i lost friends working t protect these rights and freedoms the right to just be safe. so we have to martial th political courage, the moral courage. i believe that if the american people to continue to rais their voices if parents, in particular, continue to raise their voices republicans will have to listen it increasingly feels to m like our communities are war zones. and that is not who we are as country. >> congressman pat ryan, it' always a pleasure, thank you s much for making time for us. >> thank you >> up next, a preview of tonight's new episode of leguizamo does america, stay with us. like, "what is your glucose?" and "can you have more carbs?" before you decide... with the freestyle libre 2 system know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence.

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