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nbc news poll finds voters do not want him to run again g dem. >> we've including half of democrats. tr again. >> there's no >> we've made a lot of progress and we have to keep it going. >> voters don't want to see former president trump run again. >> there's no crime. i got indicted for no crime. >> and yet, he has huge support within the gop even after his arrest and he's the clear front-runner is america ready for a biden-trump sequel biden-trump sequel. i'll talk to chris sununu who is considering his o i'll talk to new hampshire's chris sue knew new who is considering his own precedential run in 2024. plus, trigger. >> for this man to sit on his porch and fire at a car with no threat is just -- angers me so badly. >> the wrong driveway, the wrong doorbell and the wrong car, simple mistakes that all ended in americans being shot. >> mr. yarl is fighting for his life. >> in a nation of guns and growing distrust what will it mean knocking on a stranger's door safe again. and ethics scandal

after reports revealing justice clarence thomas failed to disclose real estate transactions from a wealthy republican donor, senate democrats call on the chief justice to testify >> they have to do something. >> why does the highest court in the land have the lowest ethical standards? i'll talk to the senate committee chairman dick durbin joining me for insight and bade. washington post columnist eugene analyses are rachael bade, "the washington post" columnist eugene robinson, amy walter of the cook political report, and marc short former choof of staff to vice president mike pence welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history this is "meet the press" with chuck todd good sunday morning. americans are seething at their political leaders and at each

other. that's according to brand-ne nbc news poll we are releasing right now. they're dissatisfied with what seems to be inevitable a 2024 rematch between joe biden and donald trump, as biden prepares to formally announce his campaign for a second term this week just one in four americans believe he should run for re-election 70% say he shouldn't run. by the way, only 5% of american shouldn't run. actually want both of these gentlemen to run and let me show you even more of this poll 50% of 2020 biden voters say he shouldn't run. 64% who voted for sanders think he shouldn't run, and 76% of voters under 35 think he shouldn't run. and what's the top concern for that we asked voters. we didn't prompt them. we said why don't you think he should run these are the responses and it almost is all about his age and his ability to do the job. again, these are among democratic primary voters. overall the president's job jo rating is not in a good rating is not in a good place

when you're seeking re-electio5 independents approve of the job biden is at just 51%, and 30% of independents approve of the job biden is doing overall but is biden is fond of saying, he is not to be judged by the almighty, but the judge him by the alternative and the alternative is even more unpopular among the american public let me show you here here are the feelings about donald trump one in three americans have positive feelings about him. a majority have negative feelings sitting at 53%. among voters overall a majority believe that the charges in new york are -- are serious enough because he should be held to the same standard as everyone else 43% believe he's unfairly targeted and that's the number that seems to stick behind seems donald trump on almost anything, and among voter, it appears the new york indictment galvanized his support.

we asked them whether the charges are politically motivated attack and they stand behind donald trump, or do the charges say he has distractions in his way and it's important to nom nominate joe bidentant as you can see here. 07% believe they've got to rally around him only one in four believe it's time to mon on, and that translates into the republican primary matchup here donald trump with 46%. look, ron desantis that's a healthy number for someone who hasn't run for president before, and more than hillary clinton in 2007 and when you combine first and second choice you see that trump and desantis could very well end up in a neck and neck race here, but that's the point. donald trump seems to be as strong if not stronger with the groups that matter the most when it comes to win a republican primary. there's one more major takeaway

with this. as the supreme court keefes mifepristone available for now, abortion is energizing voters. nearly 60% of voters want abortion access to remain legal, and among -- ready for this? among the 43% who told us that abortion is the single issue that drives them to the polls, they believe it should be legal by a 65-34% margin this is another sign that the energy is on the democratic side of this issue after dobbs when roe v. wade was law of the land. single-issue abortion voters almost universally leaned republican single-issue the caucus's most important demographic, religious voters. donald trump didn't appear at the event. he sent a video claiming credit for the supreme court justices he appointed, while the former vice president took donald trump on the issue of abortion

>> i faced down vile attacks to confirm our three great supreme brett court justices, neil gorsuch, brett kavanaugh, amy coney barrett. >> i do think it is more likely that this issue is resolved at the state level, but i don't agree with the former president who says this is a states-only issue. >> and joining me now is the republican governor of new hampshire. it's chris sununu who himself is considering a run. welcome back to "meet the considering a run. welcome back to "meet the press. >> thanks. thanks for having me on. >> the last time you were on and on many a program, you have made one declaration almost universal about 2024 let me play a montage. >> look, donald trump is not going to be the nominee, right we're just moving on as a party and as a country he's not going to be the nominee. that's just not going to happen. here's the good news, ready? i love you, i'm a big fan, but you're dead wrong. he's not going to be the nominee. >> all of those quotes are from

february and march, none of them from april you've seen the numbers. you've seen this shift and the energy, and we've watche governor desantis. what do you say now? >> yeah. there's definitely a shift, but i still don't think he's necessarily going to be the nominee. look, your poll is spot-on, and i think that's a great poll and i hope folks listen to it. republicans are rallying and supporting former president trump over these indictments and there's a lot of support does it actually translate into a vote we will see. most folks don't decide who they're voting for until three weeks before the election. so there's a lot of politics to play out there's not even a single debate has been had, and there are a lot of other candidates who may come up, and i just think it's so far away, and at the end of the day, we want a winner, right? republicans want someone who will win in november of '24. donald trump is a loser. he's not just lost once. he lost the house seat in 2018 and he lost everything in '20. we have 54 because of his message.

donald trump is positioning himself to be a four-time loser in 2024. we need candidates that can win. >> isn't the problem, though, that a majority of republicans don't believe what you said, that he lost in 2020 because the loser message should work unless you don't believe he lost. >> well, it's not just 2020, right? we got crushed in 2022 we should have 54 u.s. senate seats. we don't because he is part of the message. we lost in 2018. so it's not just about whether me won or lost in 2020, which, he did, of course. we can complain about things or we can make sure you can't govern if you don't win. so he drags that ticket down i think that reality will come to bear into the primary process. i understand folks are supporting him, they think a lot of the stuff with the da is political, which i believe it is, too, by the way.

he's playing the victim card, and, believe it or not, former president trump is playing the victim card and making headway with it, but at the end of the day it has to turn interest votes. i talked all of the time we want a fighter. republicans want someone who will fight for them and we also want a fighter that can win. he said he would drain the swamp, he didn't do it he would build the wall, he didn't do it he said he was going to give us health care reform and fiscal discipline, and he didn't do any of those things, and so we want fighters that can actually win and take accountability. >> look, i will bring up the good news for you and your potential candidacy. the republican voters who don't want trump to won look like voters that would be inclined to support you. they look like new hampshire republicans and more educated and wealthier and most likely identify as moderate here's the problem they represent 26% of all republicans.

how do you appeal to that trump supporter who is a bit motivated by grievance >> sure. well, look, i'm a principled free-market conservative we're the best in the country with personal freedoms we need to remind ourselves as republicans what we're good at, limited government, local control, low taxes, individual responsibility that's something that everybody can rally around and, frankly, in new hampshire, as we say in connecticut, we're wicked good at that. when you look at the candidates on the ground and results driven i put my record of success against any candidate that would step on the stage and results-driven winners is what will drive the voter we are a long way away from what the issues of the voter will be. >> if you pulled this off, if you became the nominee, you would defy a conventional wisdom that's been true now for, frankly, 50 years, and that is if you're an abortion rights supporter, you don't have much of a chance to win the republican nomination.

i want to show you something here among republican voters, 68% believe abortion should be illegal most of the time only 28% believe there should be illegal access to it how do you convince those that would -- that believe abortion, there shouldn't be much access to abortion to support your candidacy? >> that's where i will challenge it the next generation of republican, right, if you look at the polls of 45 and under, when you look at their priorities, banning abortion is not one of their priorities. it's not they care about these other things in a fiscally conservative way and they want that new generation of republicans to step up and it's not the old school way, an talking about those issues that are important to them and not just us if we're traditional and we're going to lose. no doubt about it. so whether it's me or another candidate that connects with folks that inspires the next generation of republicans to get into that voting booth, that's what's going to be successful.

>> do you think the chaos of the states and the confusion on abortion access that the federal government needs to come up with a minimum access number, a floor for abortion access? >> look, every time republicans start talking about abortion, we're losing it's a state issue that's effectively what dobbs has allowed to happen. >> it shouldn't be >> i'm sorry >> it doesn't have to be congress can step in here and -- >> they could and they shouldn't. >> or do you think it should be standardized in the federal level? >> no, it's a state issue. and every time a republican talks about banning this here or there, we are losing, we are >> every republican potential candidate, take a piece of paper and write this down. it's a state issue let the states figure it out, and we shouldn't be talking about it on a national level and move on. i don't think 50 years of precedent should have been

broken with roe v. wade and the mifepristone stuff and one judge will try to ban all of that. that sends insecurity through the system in terms of our messages as republicans. let's get back to what we do best limited government, local control, the live or die free thing that we have in new hampshire. that is a record to actually cross the finish line to have winners in november. >> let me ask you about a larger societal problem these stories of gun -- of people pulling guns on everyday mistakes, knocking on them, pulling into a driveway, knocking on somebody's door. you have said you believe this gun violence issue is a mental health problem health problem. how do we get to a point where we don't think we have to pull a gun in order to answer the how do we get to a point where we don't think we have to pull a gun in order to answer the door or have a gun in order to knock on some neighbor's door? >> look, those are absolute tragedies, and unfortunately they're happening more often than we'd like to see. the mass shootings are real and happening at an increased rate the idea is we should pass more laws if that was the answer, why shouldn't democrats when they ran the house and controlled the

presidency in the last two years, why didn't they do anything because they know it's not about passing more laws. they know that places like chicago have the most restrictive laws in the country and have the most irresponsibility in the mass shootings. i'm a believer that you have to get to the crux of the issue and it's one of the safest states in the country and we have the most flexible pro-second amendment laws in the country. we harden schools and deal with mental health especially in kids and go after the core of the issue instead of saying we have to pass more laws. if it were that easy, people would do it, but it's not. if it were that easy, democrats would do it. they didn't. so stop trying to take these tragedies, human tragedies, and try to make political fodder out of them. it's a real problem.

>> do you accept the premise that new hampshire is not like most of america, and i say this it's a little more rural it's a little more -- smaller state, a smaller population. it's a different situation in urban and suburban america, an so why do you think that -- that what works in new hampshire is going to work in urban america and let me ask this. all we've done over the last 20 years is loosen gun laws in this country, and where has it gotten us >> well, i would say that in urban environments they've tightened their gun laws, right? they're trying the red flag laws look at the red flag laws in chicago just as an example over the past two or three years you've had nearly 2,000 deaths by firearms and murders. i think the red flag laws have been implemented less than a dozen times, right so as they try these new things and the restrictive laws in the urban areas that you're talking about, it's not working, right >> you just advocated for a red flag law >> right well, doesn't that tell you that maybe a red flag law isn't the

answer >> well, that's right. that's right more laws aren't the answer. more responsibility, dealing with mental health >> no one said more laws, the red flag laws. >> i'm sorry >> i'm just saying -- >> securing your streets yeah >> holding people accountable and enough of the bail reform nonsense holding folks accountable so they don't feel they can get away with everything, and there's a lot of that going on across the country and specifically in the urban areas that you're talking about. >> what is your time line on deciding whether or not to run for president? >> probably by lunch, something like that. >> no --ake a >> will you make a decision by the fourth of july probably? >> yes i think everybody will have to make a decision by fourth of july and get their exploratory committees i think there are a lot of new candidates stepping up saying there are lanes here and a lot of opportunities here whether it's money to get your exploratory stuff done and a lot

of people want to get on the debate state and i think the threshold for the debate will be very low to start in terms of polling numbers and donors so i think you will have a very crowded stage early potentially. >> has that made you more inclined to run or less? >> neither it's about family. it's about what's best -- i still have a state to run. i've got a 24/7 job as governor, so i have to make sure we're maintaining that, and what i can bring to the table and not just chris sunesununu i want republicans to win as a team in 2024, and if i can help as a candidate or not that will be the decision. >> chris sununu from new hampshire, governor, we await your decision and we expect you to come here and tell us first thank you, sir. >> you bet, buddy. >> when we come back an overwhelming majority of americans including half of democrats do not want to see president biden seek a second term i'm going to ask the number two in the senate dick durbin for his reaction to those poll numbers next helps lower a1c,

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welcome back it is not an easy time to be a democrat they're stuck defending an unpopular democrat more than half of democrats say biden should not run again according to our new poll. they have senator dianne feinstein's absence that has left them in limbo, and that's just as clarence thomas violated the law, never having accepted -- the head of the judiciary branch of government john roberts to appear before his committee, citing a steady stream of revelations regarding justices falling short of th we ethical standards of other judges dick durbin joins me now senator durbin, welcome back to "meet the press". >> good to be with you, chuck. >> i want to start with this issue of trying to create formal ethics standards for supreme court justices you invited chief justice roberts. he appears to have responded by saying thank you go ask the judicial reform folks for somebody.

have you -- have you -- do you believe he has turned your invitation down? some of us are debating whether that response is an official decline of your invite >> i don't view that as an official response, and we're waiting for the chief justice to answer my invitation i think that's the first step that ought to be taken with th supreme court itself, with its leader, the chief justice. make it clear that they're going to bring reform when it comes to the ethics to the court and spell out what they're going to do i asked the chief justice ten years ago the very question we're asking today, what is the court going to do to bring its standards of ethics up to the level of even other courts in this country >> i want to talk about the specifics of justice thomas here and ask you this question. the sale of thomas' mother's house and the adjacent lots without disclosure on the annual

financial filing, would it be a violation of law if he were just on the circuit because in section 5 of the u.s. code, it reads, it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly and willfully falsify any information that such person is required to report under section 102. failing to file a report that such person is required to report point is, if this were a judge thomas, this is perhaps a crime. now it is not clear this would apply to justice thomas. is that your understanding >> that's exactly the point, chuck. if this were another judge, if this were a member of congress and it happened that some texas billionaire came in and said i'm going to buy your mom's house and the houses nearby and own this so she doesn't have to pay rent or a mortgage payment, you would say to yourself, that's obvious, that's the sort of thing that needs to be disclosed. that's a clear indication of a conflict of interest is there a question that should be raised. so, yes, there's no question in

my mind the supreme court has skpemted itself from the le executive and legislative branches from that and other judges that's a tough >> the supreme court would have to decide whether a law congress passed would apply to justices, pass that test of separation of powers that's a tough test to pass. what would legislation look like that would enforce an ethical code of conduct on justices? >> well, the code of conduct would look an awful lot like the code that applies to the rest of government and other judges and basically would have disclosures, timely disclosures of disclosures, timely disclosures of tractions like this, purchase of the justice's mother's home there would be standards for recusal so if there's going to be conflict before the court and the recusal, it be explained publicly and investigations of

questions that are raised. it is the same standard being used across the board. code of conduct, ethics laws and why the supreme court, these nine justices believe they are exempt by the basic standards of disclosure, i cannot explain, and i think chief justice should appear before our committee and explaining in or explain the changes that he's going to make. >> why not invite justice thomas >> i think i know what would happen to that invitation. it would be ignored. it is far better from my point of view to have a chief justice there. listen, this is john roberts' court. we are dealing with the situation where history will remember it as such. i was there when he went through his confirmation hearing and he is an articulate well-schooled man when presenting his point of view, and i'm sure he'll do well before the committee but history is going to judge the roberts court by his decision as to reform, and i think this is an invitation on may 2nd for him to present it to

the american people. >> let me move to some politics here a super majority in ou seek a second term. does that give you cause for concern especially when you look at the poll, senator durbin 70%. you can't get 70% of americans to agree on much, but 70% of americans do not believe president biden should seek a second term. does that give you cause for concern especially when you look at the numbers if the democratic coalition, particularly younger voters are skeptical to whether he should run again. >> there are 19 months before the election most people make their selection for candidate 19 days before the election we are far in advance of any decision making. here's what we do know this president has shown this president has shown side leadership on the policy side with ukraine and beyond. he's moving forward when it comes to a relationship with with ukraine and beyond. he's moving forward when it comes to a relationship with china which is much better for the american economy, i think, in the short term and i think it establishes long-term standards and when you look at the domestic front governor sununu doesn't want to talk about it, but there is a

realign't of american voters over the women's reproductive rights the republican is on the wrong side of history by a long shot and we are seeing this realignment in elections and the recent mayoral election in the city of chicago several weeks ago and one of the major questions, what's your position of choice? that would not have been a question raised in the mayoral contests before it we also have the kind of leadership when it comes to climate change, which the american people are warning, and we have a position that actually makes sense when it comes to gun safety i listened to governor sununu, and it's mindless to think that we have the kind of death rate going on it's the leading cause of death, gun violence, the leading cause of death of people under the age of 21. for goodness sake, doesn't that tell the story

he wants limited government and people want to be safe from assault weapons and the kind of gun ownership that is not responsible. >> i want to get your response to this morning's new york times on this issue of president biden. they believe he hasn't done enough to assure americans he's up to the job. they note this his only standard line is the only thing i can say is watch me about the ability to be president and serve as second term in his 80s, but mr. biden has given voters very for chances do just that, to, quote, watch him in his refeesal to engage with the public regularly raises questions about his ageo this comes from "the new york times" not some right-wing blog. should president biden do more to show americans that he's up to the job >> i think his schedule reflects an active person mentally and physically who is engaging with the american people on a regular basis. i don't know what more they're asking for, but i've been in meetings with him time after time meetings with him time after time. his performance tel his performance tells me he's up to the job and does it well.

let's consider the obvious, what his age is, but let's look at the obvious. he's an active president and meeting the challenges of america every day. >> a coalition of more than 60 california progressive groups are calling on senator dianne feinstein to resign now. i know you have not made that call at what point does her absence make you re-think whether you should add your voice to the calls of asking her to resign her senate seat? >> dianne feinstein is my friend she's my colleague we sit next to one another on the judiciary committee. she's done extraordinary things in her public career let's face it, she's gone through several weeks of real travail over this shingles issue that she's obviously dealing with she wants to come back she said to chuck schumer on the phone last week, i want to get on the plane next monday and be there. i want her to come back, too, but her future is in her own hands and her family's consultation i wish her the best and i hope she can return very soon. >> when's the last time -- have you personally spoken with her

by phone or any other means since she got out of the hospital >> no, i haven't. >> no. >> no, i haven't >> just senator schumer? >> shchumer has, yes. >> when you guys organized with a 50-50 mechanism, you had a mechanism that would hav allowed to any tie committee vote to be where you could move that nomination to the floor for a full vote. you didn't include that when you guys ended up with a one-seat majority was that a mistake >> no. i think we reflected the reality of 50-50 senate that if you have a tied vote, you can discharge it to the floor. when you have a 51-49 senate, we have a nominal majority, and the rules reflect that reality, and we have to have the majority vote coming out of the committee. if it's a tied vote in the committee, the nomination does not move forward

so that's the reality of the composition of the senate today. >> any regrets on keeping senator feinstein on the judiciary committee at the beginning? this was not news to folks that she had some challenges. >> listen, she's served on this committee for decades and served with distinction, and she stepped aside from the chairmanship and gave me an opportunity to serve as chairman and wanted to remain on the committee for other issues that were important to her, and it made sense and was the right decision at the time >> president biden would not negotiate on the ceiling at all, and more democrats would have a no-tal default in this country.k, aif we default on our nati no-e whether that's a good idea do you think that's still a good idea >> listen, we don't need to default in this country. if we default on our national debt it will cost our economy dearly we will find businesses unable to proceed and people losing their jobs right and left.

that is a terrible outcome so let's do the responsible thing and not default and move forward on the debt ceiling. we can have a debate on the budget and we will, and understand it on the levels and not at the expense of jeopardizing jobs. don't default. >> you didn't say don't talk i didn't grab that. >> of course, we should talk >> no, the conversation should be under way on the budget resolution and on the appropriations process andtitle. that's part of the agenda and that should be separate from the entitlement reform that's part of the agenda and that should be separate from the question don't default. avoid default. >> dick durbin, democrat from illinois thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective. >> good to be with you, chuck. >> before we go to break, our "meet the press" minute, in 1981, john dan forth was clarence thomas's sherpa as we call it around here, the chief supporter in the senate for clarence thomas oomz nomination,

and he shepherded clarence thomas and he appeared on this program to discuss the new justice's philosophy >> don't you have some concerns that you would be here in the future to undo what clarence thomas would do in the courts. no concern whatsoever? >> no, i don't i think clarence thomas' view of judicial restraints that judges should want be imposing their own philosophical views from the bench. judicial restraints that judges should want be therefore, i think that clarence thomas is going to be a judge who does not try to use the supreme court as a way of fostering his own political dynasty. >> clarence thomas is one of two justices to publicly oppose what the supreme court did friday night. up next, our new nbc poll shows voters do not want another trump/biden rematch. the panel is here to discuss the impact of this poll next

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editor in chief of the political report eugene robinson columnist, marc short, former vice president to mike fence, and rachel bay of the political playbook >> amy, let me start with you. we've seen these numbers, 70% don't want bide on the run again. 60% don't want trump again my favorite number is when you put it all together, there is actually 5% of americans who do want to see this sequel. >> yeah. it is -- america doesn't want this and both parties are about to hand us a rematch that will lead to unintended consequences. what vacuums are there that this creates? >> it creates a vacuum certainly for a third-party candidate. i mean the great fear among democrats is the encouragement for other candidates to try to get on the ballot. we know already there's the no-labels effort, which democrats have come out against voci vociferously

if you think about how close 2016, 2020 were. it doesn't take much for a third-party candidate to pull, to push this to one to win in arizona, a georgia, so that's the vacuum for other candidates to come in and to say to candid to come in america, really? you know you don't want this come vote for me >> rachel, we've been talking about how it's been a definer of the politics, and now we're about to get negative partisan nominees if we're not careful. we're essentially nominating these people because, you know, that's just all there is >> yeah. >> i mean, obviously, trump's numbers right now, he seems to be solidifying the base and the top person to potentially take him out, his numbers are slipping and that he announced that he's running again and to go to the no-labels point and if you look at the no-labels map and who they'll be targeting in this next election, a lot of these voters are biden voters, and so with the margins being as close as they are, this is why democrats are freaking out about

this right now because it's going to be a problem for him. >> yeah, gene. let's go to the democratic side. this is obviously driven by physical concerns with joe biden, what's he got to do to win this >> number one, announce and number two, keep moving forward. there are a lot of people who didn't want joe biden to run the last time, right and really until jim clyburn endorsed him in south carolina and won, he was not doing well he was fourth or fifth >> by the way, the only part of the democratic coalition where a majority of democrats want him to run again are black democrats. >> there you go, exactly i think the party probably and i think quite likely both parties kind of go home to their nominees in the end, right so the question is whether the anti-trump vote is more substantial than the anti-biden vote, which i think it probably is

>> marc, i've spent years being told, don't try an electability argument, it doesn't work. >> i'm not sure, chuck, polls are necessary today and there are a lot of republicans that rallied against president biden because of new york. necessary are a lot of republicans that but, you know, if we went by polls today in 2008, rudy giuliani would have been our nominee and scott walker and bernie sanders on the democratic side, and so there are still a lot of headwinds that face the president. >> what i want to remind people, barack obama trailed hillary clinton in every single poll in 2007 calendar year, every single one. he did not overtake her in the contest in the national polls until after he won iowa. ron desantis is starting as strong as every non-experienced

presidential candidate, and can't help, but wonder are we catching ron desantis on the way up or on the way down? >> i think he caught the wave after the midterms because it was a self-owned by donald trump. that's when trump is the weakest, when it's not that the forces that dislike him are against him like we're seeing with the rally around the indictment it's when he, himself got himself into a precarious position either with his tweets or in this case, endorsing candidates in the 2022 election who were unelectable >> it was a reminder that even though biden may look really vulnerable and even though the economy was really barksd republicans can still lose if they put up candidates like donald trump so he rode that wave now that we're not talking about the midterms anymore we're talking about the enemies of donald trump going after him and it rallies the base.

suddenly don't >> we're also talking about desantis himself, though he came washington >> it's not like republicans suddenly don't like ron desantis his approvals were as high as they were five months ago. >> him coming to washington this week this was supposed to be a big moment for him to come to dc, connect with his old colleagues and collect endorsements, and donald trump won morhe endorsements from mar-a-lago >> let me throw up these quotes and these are stunning, specially when you look at the republicans that are commenting about their lack of basic relationship with ron desantis both florida senators claim they don't talk to the governor havee rick scott, marco rubio, i vent spoken to him in a number of months, and south florida is underwater, and i've not heard from governor desantis donald trump -- and then this io extraordinary, raich rachael, a former member of congress, david

trot, called up to go on the record to use, i'm not going to repeat the word, and desantis is not a likeable good and used a more colorful wordre grossly overval a pattern is here. >> be nice say hi to people. >> the mike pence strategy >> i'm sorry >> i do think, chuck, i do think these endorse ams are grossly overvalued in 2016 when donald trump was on his way to the nomination, he -- >> he had no endorsements. >> duncan hunter and chris collins both ended up in jail. >> here's the problem, if you can't connect with your own delegation, he had numerous times reached out to desantis to talk policy and ignored every time and told to show up at campaign events and then told you can't take the stage with desantis and this is the problem with him and he will alienate lawmakers. stage with desantis and this is the problem with him and he will alienate how will he connect with gop voters

vo >> marc, let me ask you to address it this way. you know how reticent people are. the fact that there's comfort now coming after desantis, what does that tell you >> i think it tells you everything you need to know, chuck. a lot of republicans view that he's an easier target. >> that's a dangerous place to be we were talking about clinton and obama, and you would think it should be trump is the easier target and in this case, it's not been >> i think that's right, but i think at the same time, i wouldn't be as worried about the endorsements, and there's a concern about what's happening and using the big government, republicans going after private industries and that's a bigger concern. >> mickey mouse is really crazy. >> the two of you should be a producer because you both just segued into a terrific tease for my next segment. desantis has been picking fight with the state's second largest private employer we'll show you why disney is so important to the economy and why this battle could backfire

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it was dubbed the don it was dubbed the don't say gay bill by many opponents and it's turned out into an all-out personal feud between a sitting governor and a business that is crucial to much of the state's economy. let me show you how important disney is to the state of florida.ida. this is this is disney's annual visitors to the disney world amusement park, over 36 million people in 2021 and just so you know, that's actually kind of low right now pre-pandemic, close to 60 million visitors just, you know, it works out to one in five americans and global citizens there and how about the tax revenue it generates disney collected over $1 billion in taxes in the calendar year 2022 that amount of money is more than the entire budget for many of florida state agencies. of florida state that's how crucial this is to the state of florida let me go to a number of employees. the second largest private employer over 75,000. this is central florida's economy, if you will you will.

75,000 people employed disney world, the only private 75,000 people employed, disney world, the only private company to employ more people in the state of florida is the grocery store chain and then the economic impact that it does for the entire central florida region one estimate by oxford economics put it at over $75 billion in economic impact to the state of florida thanks to disney world this isn't just a mouse that roars. politically it could be a mouse that bites as well. when we come back, we saw how simple mistakes could end in gun violence in a nation full of firearms and fear, what would it take to make knocking on a stranger's door feel safe again? with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives you long-lasting, non-drowsy relief. (psst psst) flonase. all good. away things. fit together with away things. ♪ ♪

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poll by 2-1 as more americans become part of a shared experience that they never wanted i'm not interested in having a debate about gun laws. we have a societal and cultural problem and it seems like it's bigger than just a simple fight over laws, rachael this feeling that you can't go to some neighbor's house and you end up at the wrong door and you might get shot >> yeah. i mean, talk about parents being afraid to send their kids to school it is a fear that everyone has right now, and i'm going to take it back to laws because here in washington, this was like story number 25. we're talking about everything else and not about this issue. president biden was asked about it and he said, look, i can't do anyt anything president biden was asked and he said i can't do anything democrats didn't pass laws on this when they had the majority in congress and now republicans control the house.

nobody's talking about it up there and yet everybody's talking about it everywhere else it seems that there seems to be some leadership to change the culture that says, marc, you don't need to pull a gun first like, that's where we are. people are like, i have to have my gun first that seems to be the uneasiness. >> well, i think there's a devaluation of life, honestly, in our society, chuck. i think that's where we are. there needs to be a greater appreciation for the value of life, but i also think there's a lot of media focus and rightly there should be on these mass shootings, and respecting everyone who lost a life and we mourn them, the reality is there's been 12,800 deaths by guns this year, and there's a problem that we're not addressing we focus on the mass shootings and the problem of crime in the inner cities and there needs to be a bigger focus there. >> it's not just crime in the inner cities and it's crime in suburbs and crime in rural areas. i mean, guns are being used everywhere there's a gun problem everywhere, and so, again, getting back to laws, i mean, florida after parkland, passed a

red flag law, and that's been used like 10,000 times right now to take guns out of the hands of people who are dreamed through a process so be a danger to themselves or others who knows how many sh who knows how many shootings that has stopped, but i'll bet it's some. the number is not zero so how else do we attack this cultural issue other than through laws >> amy, i don't even know if we have a shared north star on this, which is a gil -- or minimum goal that we should keep guns away from those who aren't capable or who could be trigger-happy for whatever reason, but we don't agree -- >> -- on how to judge it. >> -- on how to judge it i don't know if the red flag laws are constitutional. we have yet it see it tested for what it's worth, so that's an issue, but it is also, we don't seem it agree that, okay, we need to agree to keep guns from mentally challenged people >> what does mentally challenged

mean when so many of the shootings are literally spur of the moment, heat of the moment if you have a gun nearby, suicides are also ones on the list that you put forward on the number of suicides that are aided by guns. how many of those would have been prevented if it wasn't as easy to pick up. >> here's what i'm uncomfortable with, which is i would have had to say i've had a family member and a work colleague touched by gun violence i'm guessing -- everybody here knows somebody or has somebody >> i mean, that's the part of this that i feel like our politicians aren't addressing this shared reality, issue >> on mental health? >> on all of it. >> i mean, you're trying to get some sort of united joint north star that people can go to

you would think that republican parts of the country, would want to talk about mental health and democrats want to talk about gun control, and there seems to be some sort of overlapping area, and red flag laws have been successful in the parts of the country could we do something more in making sure that guns are not falling in the hands of the wrong people >> every gun crime and every gun incident has in common and we have more guns than people and that's the bottom line and how we address that is a difficult problem. >> we also live in -- in a society where it's heads i win and tails you lose there's no such thing as compromise on any issue because somehow if there's compromise, i'm going to lose out. >> we have yet to see somebody who was seen as a second amendment supporter lose on that issue. >> well, sure, i think as many times as we've talked about families that have been touched by gun violence, we also have family members who have been protected because they had a gun, too, chuck.

it's a complicated issue and it's a bigger societal issue than saying let's grab everyone's gun >> you haven't seen someone ousted for it. until you see a republican candidate and lawmaker and until you see something like that. abortion is salient with swing voters it is not clear yet. that's all we have for today we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press. ♪♪ ♪♪ the state department pulls u.s. personnel out of the embassy in