choices, don't compare him to the almighty, compare him to the alternative. if the alternative appears to be donald trump or ron desantis, i think a lot of folks who may question his decision will actually be very supportive. >> senator mark warner, as always, thank you very much and thanks for the work you do on the intelligence committee that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online, on facebook and on twitter. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day i'm chris janson live at msnbc h in new york city daeja vu all over again. if the polls hold, voters will get what they don't want, another presidential election featuring joe biden and donald trump. if so many voters say they're

over biden and trump, why are so few of them backing anyone else? halfway across the world, the nation of sudan is careening toward a full-blown civil war. secretary of state antony blinken says dozens of americans have contacted his department trying to get out. that may be just a fraction of the thousands of americans still trapped there. we're following breaking news. two of the best-known media personalities at fox news and cnn, tucker carlson and don lemon are out. what we know about their departures but we start with all this new polling. the numbers showing that americans essentially are gritting their teeth over what's shaping up to be a $2 billion presidential rematch the vast majority of voters say they simply don't want joe biden or donald trump. both men are less popular than they were the first time they ran against each other with biden's announcement

expected anyway, framing the election as the battle for the soul of the nation just as he did back in 2020 he enters the race with 51% of democrats saying they don't want him to run again for trump, a third of republicans don't want him either maybe, just maybe, creating an opening for a challenger >> republicans need to shape the culture of losing that has developed in recent years. the time for excuses is over we must get it done. >> i want to bring in nbc senior political editor mark murray, susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today," and david jolly is a former republican congressman from florida as well as an msnbc political analyst. good to have all of you here mark, square this circle for me. so many people don't want a rematch, but neither man right now has honestly any serious

opposition trump is ahead of desantis by 15 so what does all that mean >> chris, that's a great question let me focus on the democratic side because i think our poll ends up showing why democrats would end up sticking with president biden despite that big number in our poll where it shows 70% of them don't want him to run in 2024 as mentioned, our poll has a lot of rough numbers for president biden. one of them actually shows him trailing a generic republican candidate by six points with 41% of all registered voters saying they probably will definitely vote for biden versus 47% who would vote for thing that's not great news if you're an incumbent president if you look at popularity of joe biden versus donald trump, biden is more popular, 38% holding

biden in a positive light versus 48%. those aren't great numbers, but better than donald trump for him it's 34% positive versus 53 negative. so there are many democrats who are convinced that, if you just replay the 2020 presidential election or even replay the 2022 midterms, joe biden would come out on top of course, chris, we have a long ways to go our poll ends up pointing to a reason why donald trump has all that gravitational pull within the republican party, and that is, whenever there are investigations or attacks that seem to be going after him, the portion of the republican base that has been very trumpy becomes a lot more attracted to donald trump our poll ends up showing that. those are some type of cracks at attempts to answer i think your great question. >> if 68%, congressman, think honestly donald trump is being picked on, that there is no one

else like him, what does that say about the opportunity for any challenger to break through in the primaries, if there's nobody like him? >> yeah, it's tough. one of the things we're seeing -- mark certainly sees this in the numbers is the permanency of donald trump's hold on the party. we didn't quite know that with the indictments coming and the investigations, as the '24 cycle heats up, we didn't know if republicans were ready to move past donald trump. it's clear they're not his closest opponent would be ron desantis ron desantis has had a very poor six weeks himself. every time he gets out, his numbers fall this remains donald trump's party. i think the one thing despite all the discontentment in the numbers, people don't like the presumed front-runners of each party. people don't like the parties themselves on election day, the choice is a contrast between two candidates and nothing else matters what's performed well for biden and the democrats, once the nation got to know trump and

trump's party in '16, by '18, '20 and '22, democrats had a strong hand to play. >> david, as you were talking about desantis, we were showing him with the leader of japan he's on a four-stop international tour this is such an old playbook i traveled before he officially announced with jeb bush and he was in estonia, germany, if i'm recalling correctly. isn't it going to take something not from that old playbook if you're even going to think about beating donald trump it's certainly not a good sign that the more people see you, the less they like you >> everybody has tried something different against trump and it hasn't worked. >> that doesn't work either. >> right my working theory is only trump can wound donald trump this is a credit to ron

desantis he's built a first-rate presidential campaign. he's hitting all the key states. he's raising a ton of money. he's hiring, he's building infrastructure, going overseas he's doing all those things, chris, that you covered with jeb bush it is what it is he is positioning himself to be the off-ramp to donald trump wound donald trump we haven't seen what that looks like yet it may be that ron desantis runs all the way just to be a bridesmaid. >> in addition to our poll, susan, you guys did a fascinating poll you talked to people who were supporters of joe biden and former president trump the last time to see how they feel now. it shows trump supporters are more excited to back him this time, excitement among biden supporters is about half what it was four years ago how do you think that's going to manifest itself? >> you really see the two contenders with opposite problems

donald trump would support, very deep, probably solid and pretty narrow and has fallen in ways that would repel some voters in a general election in contrast, president biden has support that is pretty wide but shallow. those could be lured away by ap credible third party contender in the fall. so perils for both men, but they're going to have to face very different problems as they each try to seek another four years in the white house >> so what does biden do about the weaknesses that he shows obviously you can't change your age. it is what it is when you listen to what those voters said and how they're more disenchanted now than they were back then, what's the message for joe biden? >> 42% of biden voters said his age makes them less likely to

support him again. i think the only way president biden addresses that effectively is to show that he is vigorous and active and can do interviews and news conferences and foreign trips, that is the way he can counter that age problem which is, in fact, his most serious hurdle in getting a second term. >> david, let me ask you, we haven't had a lot of president rematches. i think the last one was back in the '50s if we assume -- and i'm not assuming anything, but if you look at the polls right now, it is indeed going to be a remrematch, how do you think this election might be different than the last one? >> well, interestingly, both candidates would be very well known. think what this does is it puts in hyper focus the american economy. do people feel like we're going in the right direction with a strong economy or do they look back to how the economy was pre-covid and say, look, i don't feel as strong and confident as i used to.

maybe it's time for a change that change would look like donald trump, kind of the devil you know i think for joe biden, the most important thing going into november at this point will be a solid domestic economy susan brings up a very important wildcard there is a group with deep resources right now recruiting an independent third party possible unity ticket to run who does that hurt early indications is that it probably does hurt joe biden a lot of americans including myself this this is a terrible idea we may end up in a real wild west environment an independent third party candidate can run all the way to november they don't have a primary and you could have three eligible candidates to pick from in november. >> mark murray, susan page, thank you. david jolly, stay with me. right now officials are racing against the clock to get thousands of americans and other diplomats out of violence-ridden sudan.

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we have new details from the state department on the ongoing efforts to get 16,000 american citizens out of danger in sudan after that risky embassy evacuation secretary of state anthony blinken oversaw that mission with the pentagon saying u.s. special forces evacuated just over 100 people over this past weekend. here is what he said earlier today about americans still trapped in sudan right now >> in just the last 36 hours since the embassy evacuation operation was completed, we continue to be in close communication with u.s. citizens and individuals affiliated with the u.s. government to provide assistance and facilitate available departure routes for those seeking to find safety via land, air and safety this includes from khartoum to port sudan

>> the u.s. embassy evacuation happened as there's an international exodus from sudan with nations from all over the globe racing to get their citizens out of harm's way nbc's meagan fitzgerald joins us with more on the unfolding h humanitarian crisis. nbc's allie raffa is covering reaction from the biden administration allie, 16,000 americans trapped in sudan at this hour, and i think that's just in the capital. what's the plan to get them out? >> reporter: that's been the big looming question over all of this, especially after that successful rescue mission over the weekend. what happens to these 16,000 -- roughly 16,000 americans, many of them dual citizens left in sudan who many of them don't have running water, food, working internet access. the white house says they're closely monitoring this situation. we expect to learn a lot more about that when the white house briefing begins and national

security adviser jake sullivan joins press secretary karine jean-pierre an update. we got the latest on these efforts from secretary of state antony blinken from the press conference earlier today where he said dozens of americans who are still in sudan are now in touch with u.s. officials about efforts to get out he said u.s. officials are now coordinating with officials from allied countries, coordinating those efforts, trying to find the most safe and secure routes possibly to the port of sudan or to the borders of the country where it's safer than in the capital. as far as a mass rescue, blinken didn't have any specifics on that only saying that these efforts with coordinating with allied countries are continuing take a listen to a bit of that press conference earlier today >> some of the convoys that have tried to move people out including all the way to port sudan, but also to places closer

into khartoum, some of them have encountered problems, including robbery, looting, that kind of thing. others not, but it's something we're tracking very carefully. to the extent we've been able to facilitate americans being folded into some of those -- >> reporter: blinken talking about the challenges associated with those convoys, not specifically saying whether americans were part of those convoys that were looted and robbed for now this still remains really in a holding pattern as blinken says that most of those embassy staff and their families that are rescued this weekend are in route to the u.s., he also said that the u.s. is in a constant engagement with those warring generals, asking for a cease-fire to be continued, to be able to take those americans out. so this is very much still an

ongoing and fluid situation, chris. >> we've seen multiple attempts at a cease-fire fall through what more do we know about the situation on the ground right now and especially in khartoum >> reporter: chris, i can tell you this is a rapidly deteriorating situation where people are being told to hunker down and stay inside their homes. there's this desperate need for medical supplies, for food food is scarce, water. people trying to venture outside of their homes to get it, there are reports of being looted, being robbed, carjackings. we know there's a scarcity of supplies across the board here you're taking a look at the big ber picture here, sue dane is a country who was dependent on humanitarian aid before the violence broke out now the violence playing out right now is exacerbating this situation with concerns of this lingering humanitarian crisis at play as you mentioned, we've seen several attempts at a cease-fire, the most recent one

was on friday in lieu of the muslim eid that did not happen. we're still seeing gunfire and violence take place. the violence is raging on, chris, with no signs of slowing. meanwhile there are millions of people in the crossfire. >> meagan fitzgerald, allie raffa, thank you very much. two major bomb shows two of the most high profile hosts of cable news are out. what it says about the media landscape next

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right now the media landscape is significantly different than it was just two hours ago with two of the highest-profile cable hosts out of a job first, the news that tucker carlson, who was regularly drawing 3 million viewers a night parted ways with fox news, and then just an hour later, don lemon tweeting he is out at cnn after 17 years with that

network. i want to bring in nbc senior reporter jane timm joyce vance is the former u.s. attorney and professoral at the university of alabama law school and eric dug against jane, first get us up to speed on tucker carlson specifically what do we know? >> tucker carlson was as you said a ratings giant his departure appears unexpected at least friday, he said see you monday, gave a keynote address this week end. it doesn't appear it was planned. he's not out with a statement. we have no reporting that it's tied to the massive dominion settlement from last week that we've been reporting on so closely, but the timing is curious. whether it's related to the defamation and settlement or perhaps something fox news might have learned about tucker

carlson is something people are curious about. the timing is, as you said, curious. the idea that a lot of emails, communications and internal workings of his show and other shows at fox came out in sort of the bath water in this dominion lawsuit. we also know that a fired producer abby grossberg alleged harassment and a toxic work environment in a lawsuit after dominion there's an outside counsel investigated the claims and told her lawyers they were unfounded, but that investigation did conclude recently. whether or not it's something to do with that or something we have at this point no idea about yet remains to be seen. >> would it be fair to say, eric, that this is shocking? it isn't every day whatever happened in that lawsuit and $787 million notwithstanding, not to minimize it, but to get rid of your most popular host? >> yes, it is shocking i think it's also proof for

people who are concerned about the misinformation and disinformation that appears on fox news, perhaps the most effective way of combating it is to target the way the channel makes money off these kinds of broadcasts a big settlement figure also assessed that there was another lawsuit waiting in the wings there's also another voighting machine company poised to sue fox news if you think of other people, big stars displaced in recent years, roger ailes, the founder of the company and bill o'reilly, then the biggest star, both got displaced following sexual harassment claims i'm looking at the lawsuit from the former booking producer, abby grossberg i'm wondering if that was a factor as well. >> joyce, as of now, there is no public connection between tucker carlson's departure and the defamation lawsuits fox has faced and obviously just

settled. so we don't know, neither side has said that. if you're working, for example, on the defamation suit for smartmatic, a voting technology company, does his departure change your strategy at all? does it change the legal part of it at all? >> that could possibly be a motivation behind tucker carlson's departure from fox at this point in time the dominion case is over. the pain of that settlement was already baked in, so why cause the company to lose value as it did after the announcement that carlson would no longer be with them the smartmatic lawsuit could be one answer to that there's still redacted pleadings from the dominion case we don't know what's in them we do know that carlson made a number of damaging comments including the point at which he tried to get a fact-checker fired because he thought checking facts would cause them to lose viewers and to lose

money. so that sort of information moving into the smartmatic case, the $2 billion lawsuit, might be something that fox decided the freight was a little too heavy to bear and it was time to rip the band-aid off. >> eric, i mentioned don lemon is also out from cnn both sides agreed he's leaving lemon tweeted that he learned it from his agent cnn tweeted out a statement saying, quote, don lemon's statement about this morning's events is inaccurate he was offered an opportunity to meet with management but instead released a statement on twitter. lemon also said, by the way, eric, that there were larger issues at play what do you make of this >> well, i think it's going to take some reporting and some time for the dust to settle to figure out exactly what happened here it seems obvious that don lemon's comments that were viewed as misogynistic and

problematic earlier, that that has continued to resonate and that was making it difficult for the channel. "the l.a. times" has one quote saying they're hearing from unnamed sources that there was a backlash building amongst advertisers and people who might support their broadcast. certainly their ratings, they were struggling for ratings. they needed a big change to signal that things might be different in trying to get viewers to watch the show again. it's one of those situations where you might have seen a bunch of different influences coming together in one big move. it's surprising that it happened so quickly and that it's happening in kind of a messy public way. >> i wonder, also, look, we all know and we all covered it, his comments on women and aging, that broad some comments from his female co-hosts when he was over on the morning show and

sparked a larger, wider investigation. having said that, just the idea that -- again, they're very different cases and we don't know all the details yet, but that companies are moving more quickly, does it speak to a changing landscape overall do you think, eric? >> i think what it speaks to is there's less tolerance in the public space amongst viewers and advertisers for this kind of material and if people have a sense that a host is problematic in that way, they may move -- they may react by not watching. they may react by not wanting their products associated with the program. but again, it's so early in this situation, it's tough to make too many snap judgments about what's going on here it certainly seems as if -- it's all about money in the end if a cable channel cannot

monetize the broadcast that it's putting on, it doesn't matter how many viewers they get. so in tucker carlson's case, if you wind up paying a lot of money or facing a lot of legal liability because of someone, it may not matter that they draw 3 million viewers a night if you wind up paying all that money back in legal fees in another case, when you're trying to build ratings for a struggling morning show, it may not help to have an anchor that female viewers may question, may be skeptical about female viewership is important for morning shows. >> does it say something to you at all, eric, and i'm going long here, that it was just done. nobody got to say thank you to my viewers of 17 years, thank you to my viewers of -- i don't know how long tucker has been on, less than 17 years, but it was just done? >> well, chris, you've been on tv for a bit

>> a bit. >> you know when the departure is involuntary, it is unusual for people to get a chance to say goodbye. that's one way we media viewers can judge whether or not a departure is voluntary if people are given a sense to say goodbye, there's a sense they wanted to leave and it was a mutual decision. if they're removed quickly without much notice and they don't get a chance to say goodbye, i think that's what you see when it's involuntary and the employer is acting. >> eric deggans, joyce vance, jane timm, thank you very much we appreciate it we just learned yesterday that jeff shell is out as ceo of nbc universal after admitting to an inappropriate relationship with a woman in the company. his exit comes after comcast which owns nbc universal hired outside counsel to investigate after a complaint. in a statement shell said he deeply regrets his actions we should note that nbc universal is the parent company

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abortion it used to be, as politico put it, a rather straightforward litmus test for the party over roe v. wade. now instead questions. should abortion be banned nationally or left up to the states a six-week ban or 15 at the iowa faith and freedom coalition on saturday, voters opinions as wide ranging as the candidates. >> desantis, for example with the six-week ban, some saying it's a state's issue >> it's kind of all over the place. >> i think some of our republican friends have gone too far in saying absolutely not being a woman with three granddaughters and one daughter -- >> a pro-life -- >> from conception >> from conception >> yeah. i studied biology. i know how it works. >> so you even think a six-week ban is too lenient. >> oh, yeah. >> i want to bring in nbc's ali

vitali who was at the event in iowa, following a lot of these 2024 candidates and potential contenders also back with us,d jolly. ali, iowa the first in the nation state for republicans in 2024 when you hear the differences, you wonder if you're looking for that conservative vote, people who would go to an event like that what do you do what did the candidates have to say? >> reporter: look, at an event like that where it is probably the most conservative of the conservative in iowa, most evangelical crowd, even i was surprised to hear a range of opinions when i have attended these events in years past, it has been a pretty consistent litmus test, overturn roe or don't overturn roe now it becomes a little bit harder there are some in the field, and frankly i think former president

donald trump might end up looking like the moderate of the very conservatives on this stage and in this field because he's saying it's left up to the states, frankly left to the states because trump was able to put the justices in place like he did in the white house. then you have others like former vice president mike pence trying to continue to run to the right of trump and others on this. for example saying he doesn't think this should be left to the state, that there's still a federal role to play watch what he told me. >> but i don't agree with the former president who says this is a states-only issue we've been given a new beginning for life in this country i think we have an opportunity to dance the sanctity of life, move it ever close to the center of american law. i think people should look to their statehouses to make that change i think looking to the congress of united states, creating a minimum protection, 15 weeks --

>> reporter: you see pence there floating 15 weeks as the minimum. you contrast that with others in the field, chris for example two weeks ago when i talked to senator tim scott, he said he would sign literally the most conservative ban to get to his desk if he were president. he seemed to say six was something he was comfortable with you've got florida governor ron desantis also not officially in the field but very central to the conversation he put his name and signature to a six-week ban in florida, making that one of the more restrictive states but in line with the rest of the south we're watching these candidates stake out this position. it's going to be interesting, frankly, right now the field only has one female candidate, former south carolina governor nikki haley. i'll be going to an event tomorrow she's doing overstate lines in virginia also talking about the abortion issue watching the way the candidates lay these litmus tests, many knowing full well this is part of why they were not able to run up any major majorities in the

2022 elections, and they know it's going to be a bit of an albatross, maybe not in the primary, but certainly when it gets to the general. >> congressman, republicans know abortion is not a winning issue. i want to play what republican governor chris sununu told chuck todd. >> every time a republican talks about banning this or this many weeks, we're losing, we are. every republican, potential canned can't, take a piece of paper, write it down it's a state issue let the voters of the states figure it out. we shouldn't talk about it on a national level and we're moving on that's it. >> even if the governor is right, and i think you think he is, david, democrats aren't going to drop the issue. even if you say this is a states' rights issue, you'll still be asked your position how do you square any anti-abortion stance in a general election when the polls show 58% think it should be legal. that was our poll from the weekend? >> right

respect willfully chris sununu's point is we shouldn't be talking about it. >> you can't not you'll never be away from people asking you questions about it, whether they're in the audience or members of the media. >> which is why i think governor sununu's argument falls apart. we're seeing republican governors actually push this issue and realize it is a general election drag as allie said for the republican party. the problem that republicans are wrestling with, chris, is for the vast majority of republicans, this is doctrine. this is dogma. it is the product of about 40 years of a relationship with the evangelical christian movement where this issue was one without compromise you actually have true believers in today's republican party. what you're hearing from chris sununu is people who watch the polls and say, if we act on our convictions, we're going to lose next november. that's absolutely the case this remains a drag. i would suggest that mike pence's statement yesterday is a real tell.

this means that the primary field of republican presidential candidates is going to have to move to a conversation about a national ban that's what mike pence wants to talk about, not a state-by-state issue, but bringing in congress for national restrictions. that is something they'd have to own in front of voters next november. >> ali, have you heard that that's where they want to go, that's where they want the debate to be as they're heading into 2024? >> reporter: in theory, republicans have majority in the house. they could have made this one of their priorities. there was one vote on an abortion-relatedish you that happened over the course of the last month, month and a half, that went by without much fanfare on the hill. it's striking that governor sununu sounds similar to

congressman nancy maze in a swing district she often says by talking about these issues, the party is losing by making this a central focus. the numbers and polling bear that out the conversations i have with lawmakers and strategists and operatives, when we're not in front of a camera, many of them agree this is going to be a problem for them i think the congressman is right, as he so often is congressman jolly and i talk about this even when we're not on the air, this has been part and parcel to the conservative message for so long that they cannot at this point abandon it. i think the way they can maybe get around it instead of centrally talking ab abortion, is continuing to talk about the courts that's what allows evangelicals to stick with donald trump they didn't like the persona but liked the judges the judges gave them the fall of roe. that's where republicans are comfortable talking to the

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what are you hearing from republicans? >> it's unlikely republicans will be moved by an op-ed from hillary clinton of all people. i think it's pretty clear that at this point kevin mccarthy does have some momentum within his republican caucus. the conservatives -- that group of conservative outliers that really held up his bid for speaker seem to be involved in the discussions around this debt ceiling plan for the most part, seem to be endorsing it it is the more moderates more concerned about the provisions involved in it tony gonzalez of texas is worried about a separate immigration bill he said could impact his debt ceiling vote nancy mace has concerns about aspects of the plan. these seem to be gettable votes for mccarthy about aspect of the plan these all seem sob to be gettable votes this will likely be nothing like the final piece of legislation that congress ultimately passes to raise the debt ceiling, so there's room for republicans to take a tough vote here because it likely won't become law still, there is no doubt, to

your point, when the margins are as close as they are, that kevin mccarthy will have some work to do here over the next couple of days. >> ryan nobles, thank you for that. it's reportedly worse than we knew, fresh reporting from "the new york times" that the trove of confidential pentagon documents leaked online were leaked all the way back in february of '22. that's eight months earlier than previously thought, according to online postings reviewed by "the times. this separate earlier breach just days after russia invaded ukraine could have potentially ra reached a much larger group than the later one we've been covering nbc news has not independently verified this reporting. nbc's justice and intel correspondent ken dilanian joins us now sou so how doesthis new reporting change what we know about the size, about the scope of this breach already considered the most serious in a decade

>> that's right, chris it really puts the actions of the alleged leaker in a different light because, you know, initially it looked like he was just sharing these documents with a small group of people, about two dozen people in this one chat room on discord, this platform used by gamers but now "the new york times" is saying that he actually began posting information about highly sensitive intelligence to a much larger group of people, like 600 people on a different gaming chat room, and he was really brazen, according to "the times" about bragging about his access to classified information, saying that he was hunting around on national security agency databases and even the database run by britain's digital spying service and at one point, according to "the times," one of the members of the chat room warned him not to abuse his access to classified information, and he allegedly replied, too late. now, his lawyer and the pentagon and the fbi all declined to

comment on this new reporting, and we don't know for sure that the fbi was not aware of this second server until "the new york times" reported on it, but what we do know as you mentioned is that sources tell us that congress was briefed on this last week, and investigators made no mention of this second, more broad set of disclosures, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you for that. we're expecting to see protests today in carol county, kentucky after the former metro police officer believed to have fatally shot breonna taylor was hired back into law enforcement. the carroll county sheriff's office has hired miles kcosgrove he was fired in 2021 for violating use of force procedures and failing to use a body camera during the 2020 raid on taylor's apartment, but last year the kentucky law enforcement council voted not to revoke cosgrove's state peace officer's certification, is that allows him to apply for other

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authorities are now investigating new and frightening moments aboard two recent american airlines flights. nbc's tom costello has the details. >> in columbus, ohio on sunday some anxious minutes during takeoff. >> we lost the number two engine on the bird strike with high vibration. >> an engine on an american airlines flight headed for phoenix caught fire mere moments after taking off, apparently after striking a flock of canada geese. >> everybody started panicking and freaking out >> flight attendants prepared the cabin for an emergency

landing. marnie took this video from her seat >> it was truly frightening. i didn't think i was going to make it. >> reporter: also on board, charles and felicia meadows just beginning their honeymoon trip. >> we could just smell like burning. >> reporter: the boeing 737 safely returned to the columbus airport. in a statement, american called the incident a mechanical issue. the faa reports strikes against all types of wildlife are increasing in the u.s., more than 15,000 reported across 708 airports in 2021 alone. >> large bird populations are increasing so the industry is constantly grappling with this >> reporter: bird strikes became a top safety priority after 2009's miracle on the hudson where captain sully sullenberger expertly landed his plane on the river after losing both engines to a flock of geese. everyone survived. >> experience can literally make the difference between success and failure in life and death.

>> reporter: last thursday, another possible engine fire, this one on the runway just before takeoff in charlotte. passengers safely deplaned back at the gate, and the exact cause is still under investigation, but aviation experts stress these two unrelated incidents should not worry travelers >> the majority of the commercial flights have two or more engines, and when you think of the few relatively few failures, it's an amazingly safe system. >> reporter: tom costello, nbc news we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports. let's get right to it. ♪ at this hour, get out, why russia is now forcibly evacuating its citizens from occupied areas in southern ukraine. that's according to officials living there we'll have a live report from kyiv plus, thirsting for violence, that's howcu