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lying. tucker carlson was one of those hosts, according to court documents. now, a week after that giant payout to dominion, tucker is out at fox news, is he the sacrificial lamb or was there something else going on? fox news didn't give a reason and tucker isn't commenting, but we do have media reporter dylan byers with us to tell us all that he has so far gathered along with an expert in cable news to tell us what this means for viewers of the channel does anything change but that is not all. both cnn and nbc news have also made big media moves today, nbc that is. news cnn fired don lemon, he says he was blind sided. the network says he wasn't and comcast, the parent company of msnbc fired nbc universal ceo jeff shell after an investigation into, quote, inappropriate conduct. in a statement, shell said he deeply regrets an inappropriate

relationship with a woman in the company. joining me now is nbc news senior reporter jane timm, and puck senior correspondent dylan byers. jane, let's get to the reporting, what do you know so far about fox news >> well, katy, i mean, we don't have any reporting that ties this to -- tucker's ousting, tucker carlson's ousting to the dominion settlement. the timing as you said is incredibly curious, but i think what's important here is how much we learned and presumably how much more fox news learned about tucker carlson and what was happening on his show during that case. so there's so much evidence that came out publicly and more that was redacted about the workplace there. we also know that abby grossberg, one of his senior producers who was fired after she claimed that it was a toxic work environment with gender discrimination, she filed a lawsuit against fox news and tucker carlson alleging the problems on his show that her lawyers say he was aware of.

so there's a lot that came out in sort of the bath water, if you will, that may not be as specifically an election conspiracy theory, but came to light in this dominion lawsuit again, we don't have reporting exactly where this ousting is coming from, but the timing, as you said, incredibly curious. >> so dylan, he said i'll see you on monday on his friday show, and there have been reports from "the guardian" that they were promoting his show as early as this morning, promoting an interview he was going to do with the gop presidential candidate. how much do you know so far about how long this has been in the works? >> sure, well, as far as tucker carlson is concerned, he learned about it this morning. so this came out of nowhere for him. i think it's right to look at what's happened with dpliominio. to say he's a sacrificial lamb is wrong if they needed a sacrificial lamb they would go after someone like maria bartbartiromo

in the case of tucker, it's about what further legal vulnerability might be coming down the pipeline. i think what dominion did in addition to forcing fox to pay out 787 merc$787 million is it a lot of the dirty laundry we saw evidence of a sort of toxic culture within his show, which is its own fear dom -- - fiefdom -- >> the abby grossberg allegations. >> then you have the abby grossberg allegations, i think an ouster of a popular host on the entire network suggests there's more going on there and suggests perhaps there's a smoking gun in terms of tucker carlson's own behavior, behavior on the show that fox news as a network, particularly after everything it's been through didn't want to leave itself liable for. >> he is a huge moneymaker for the network, the ratings he gets are large. he's the most popular show on the program other than the five sometimes, am i right about that >> yes, that's right

>> so itto oust him -- i'm not saying he and bill o'reilly did the same thing, but they ousted bill o'reilly after sexual harassment allegations he denied them, and it was a big deal at the time you're saying that you believe that there needs to be something bigger in the works other than just the revelations from the dominion lawsuit. >> i think what's fair to say is there's nothing that tucker carlson is saying on his show that is a fireable offense in the eyes of fox. if so they would have had a lot of evidence to do things a long time ago i think they saw a legal vulnerability comiing down the pipeline, and i don't think we know what that is, but this is not -- this is not a case of sort of trying to send a signal because of everything that fox has already gone through this is a case of anticipating what's yet to come. >> any indication or any idea that it could be potentially also related to other stuff that came out in those filings. i know we talked about the abby grossberg stuff where she is alleging that the atmosphere was misogynistic, they used the c

word a lot over there. anything that he might have said about management that could have been a problem >> i think that tucker carlson -- and he's not the first fox news host to do this -- i think tucker carlson believed at times that he was bigger than the network, and i think that there are probably times in which his own idea of what he should be doing probably ran up against that of the murdochs, the gamble is always one of how do we pair our need for ratings and revenue with some of the more difficult aspects of running a toxic news platform so i assume based off of what we know now that there was some of that at play too. >> what about cnn, this news about don lemon came just about an hour after tucker carlson don lemon tweeted that he was informed about it by his agent he was given no heads-up cnn disputes that, saying he was offered an opportunity to come talk to management what can you tell us about this ordeal >> yeah, well, look, don lemon never figured into the vision

for cnn that the new ownership has. that's david zaslav and chris likt now the ceo of cnn, they never wanted don lemon certainly in prime time i think they figured out a situation that they thought might work for him at the morning show it's very clear it did not he ran -- i don't think he liked sharing the limelight. i think he sort of stepped into a lot with the nikki haley comments which were memorable, but the -- you know, the failure of don lemon and his sort of fall from what, you know, for a while there he was the most popular host on that network, is a failure of management above all else, and this idea -- this sort of spat that's happening right now between cnn pr and don lemon, look, chris licht, ceo of cnn asked one of his deputies to call don lemon's agent, who then called don lemon

it was not -- i would say it was not the most courageous way to handle the termination of someone who's given two decades to the network. >> 17 years, again, no reasoning from cnn on the record at least about why they got rid of him. nothing from fox news about tucker carlson and nothing from tucker carlson yet about fox news, but we will pay attention to all the reporting that comes out including yours, dylan, thank you very much for joining us. joining me now is media matters president angelo kerason. thanks for coming on what does it mean to have tucker carlson no longer on fox news? >> i mean, it really is a big deal it's good news for america, it's obviously bad for fox. let me give you an analogy for a quarter century rush limbaugh was the single largest get out the vote operation in the country until 2022 he was the center of gravity of this large right wing echo chamber. tucker, when rush limbaugh died, tucker sort of filled that void. that was a really big gap. and that is the significance here it's almost as big a deal as if rush limbaugh suddenly

disappeared in the late '90s, early 2000s. that's what we're talking about. without sort of having that center of gravity, that agenda setting power what you have is a right wing echo chamber that doesn't know what to echo. tucker was providing that clarity for this massive media manipulation machine that's the significance here for all of us right now they're basically a chorus without a conductor. >> we've seen a rot from tucker carlson over the years on his show we saw pate patriot purge, he got a lot of pushback for that, for it being inaccurate, potentially dangerous. you've documented a lot of audio from tucker. if you can tell us a little bit about what he's put on the air just to draw a line about what could possibly have led to fox news doing that, if it once what he was saying on the air >> certainly not anything that he did on air would be the issue here because obviously it's well-known, right? in fact, they kind of like --

they supported him, whatever advertisers walked after these major moments, fox news reinforced their support of tucker carlson let me give you a couple of examples he laundered radical conspiracy theories about white nationalism, in particular this idea of the great replacement theory, which is that democrats, the media, perhaps some other forces were all working in cahoots in order to empower people of color to engage in a white genocide and wipe out white people or at minimum replace them so that they couldn't exist anymore that was a constant theme of tucker carlson's show was great replacement theory it was a theme he just did it two weeks ago it's a common refrain. the other things that he was putting on air was laundering info wars conspiracies on a somewhat regular basis he'd take whatever alex jones was talking about at least once a week and sort of boost it on his air, and alex jones in that universe would get excited about it i thought the worst was the blood thirstiness, after the

club q shooting, tucker did a whole bunch of stuff about maybe they deserved it, this is what you get for sexualizing children not only was he lying, but he sort of suggested repeatedly that they had it coming and maybe they should stop doing what they're doing, which of course was based on a lie. so i think those three things together, if you were to watch a tucker on any regular basis, they basically summarize what tucker was doing on his program. >> has this been discussed, this firing on fox news today >> not yet as far as i'm aware >> angelo, thank you -- >> it's weird because they were talking about tucker earlier, yeah >> thank you for coming on and talking to us. i appreciate it. and coming up, what the nine justices of the supreme court said in the mifepristone ruling and what it says about how they decide if and when the case ultimately comes before the court. plus, 2024 is shaping up to be a battle between who you hate less what the latest polling on both joe biden and donald trump tells us about who's better positioned

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fda do not take the drug off the market perhaps they were happy with that decision. it's an interesting dissent. we don't know how these justices feel on the merits we will know eventually because this case is obviously coming back to the supreme court at some point it's going back to the fifth circuit now, it will eventually be back on scotus's plate. >> maybe you can't answer this because you can't get into their heads, but why they wouldn't just take it up immediately since it's going to make its way to the supreme court maybe it's an issue of not having that much time on the docket. >> maybe they don't want to take it up right away this is a messy case. >> what if they're taking it up next year in an election season. that's even messier. >> no question a lot of people speculated they might just grab it for themselves knowing it was going to come their way anyway, but make they feel like, you know what let's go through the normal ko course of things let's defer a little bit let's keep the heat off of this, let's keep the status quo for now and maintain this for

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who would republicans put up against joe biden, and we did ask that question. here you can see it, donald trump the former president leading the way in the republican primary there, 46%, the only other republican candidate or prospective candidate getting traction here is ron desantis. he runs 15 points behind donald trump, so the prospect there you see it of a biden trump rematch is very real here, and when you say folks don't want to see it, 26% overall say they think joe biden should run again

that's basically one out of every four, three out of four almost say he should not run for re-election, and for donald trump it's a clear majority, 60%. it's this, this was biden and this was the democrats' saving grace in the 2022 midterm elections. it's the fact not that joe biden's that popular we're asking for your basic impressions here, positive or negative, biden, you know, under water. the democratic party under water. but biden is not as under water in and the democratic party is not nearly as under water as donald trump is an outright majority, 53% here with a negative view of donald trump, barely one in three with a positive view of donald trump. i think that was the big story in 2022, about how trump played an unusually large role for a former president and probably hurt his party in the 2022 midterms if you're the biden white house

looking at these numbers, that's what they probably hope for. the assessment of biden, the job approval is still low and the economy is still low, if voters still feel that negatively about biden and not -- about trump and not quite as negatively about biden, that could be a victory. >> if we're talking about independents and swing voters, moderate republicans, the ones who decided the election last time around, we're seeing the numbers that steve's laid out from the nbc news poll, but is there any indication that those swing voters, those moderate vote voters, the ones that matter in general elections like donald trump any more than they like joe biden. those voters in particular >> yeah, katy, according to our poll and what steve ended up laying out, independents are down on both president joe biden and former president donald trump. you have president biden's approval rating among independents at 30%. about just 20% have a positive opinion of the president, and then only just about a 20% end up having a positive opinion

about donald trump katy, it's important to note that our poll did not test the head to head matchup between president biden and donald trump, and there have been some other polls that have actually shown that head to hed matchup where president biden is doing better among independents and crucially, people who somewhat actually disapprove of the president. that was the key category in the 2022 midterms where democrats -- overperforming among voters who somewhat disapproved of president biden's job. and that might be an indication that at least in the last election cycle that independents and those key swing voters were breaking a little bit more in the democrats' way than the republicans' way we need a whole lot more polling. we need to actually do our head to head matchup. independents and those swing voters are down on both men right now. >> so the generic republican that steve was talking about, the issues is that there's not a generic republican who's currently in a position to win the gop primary.

it's going to be donald trump, at least right now, or maybe a ron desantis if things change, but those are the two leaders in the republican party when you're looking at the democrats and you see all those voters saying they don't want to see joe biden run again, do we have any indication of who democrats would want to actually be the candidate, excuse me for the democratic party in 2024 >> yeah, ka ity, not according o our poll when you see the 70% who say they don't want president biden to run again, age is really the big factor here. but there wasn't a desire to say, hey, i have this candidate in mind. one of the things, the driving forces that's helping president biden pretty much run unopposed, at least among people who have experience records in american politics, is that there really isn't an alternative out there if president biden decided, hey, i'm not going to run for re-election, that would almost introduce the same scenario we

saw in 2019, 2020, where you could have as much as two dozen democrats who are running, fights between the progressives, the moderates, everyone in between, and president biden running for re-election essentially unopposed kind of eliminates that, despite people's concerns about his age. and as long as steve ended up pointing out that president biden's popularity numbers and some of his head-to-head numbers look better versus donald trump in the electorate, you're not going to see a lot of fingernail biting among democrats, at least at this juncture but those poll numbers overall for president biden are definitely worrisome at this stage of the election. >> all right, vaughn, let's talk to you about what you're hearing from voters. you're in staten island. that is a dronald trump stronghold have you talked to anybody out there who has told you they might vote differently than they did in 2020? >> reporter: the age vulnerability for donald trump is also pertinent to this republican primary i was talking to one staten island resident who is telling

me he would vote for donald trump in a general election, but he'd prefer don jr. to be the trump running in this primary. of course that is not the reality. i want to let you hear from two others when i asked them their feelings about this republican primary. take a listen. >> would you like donald trump or >> ron desantis. >> ron desantis. >> yeah. >> why not trump >> i don't know. i'm tired of him. >> tired of him? >> yeah, you know, it's enough already. i don't want to curse, sorry i voted for him last time. i want a younger guy. >> do you think that donald trump and joe biden don't uphold necessarily that future that you're looking for >> i think that they both need to have a conversation with their constituents and see if their hearts are both right in it right now, and i think that -- i think we should look to alternatives, and i think that we should be aware that it's -- unity is the best thing and values and safety. i mean, the other countries are

laughing at us right now. >> katy, what you heard from those folks, as well as other republicans, not only here on staten island but nationally is that donald trump is vulnerable, that there are folks who are open to an alternative, but what steve and mark laid out in this national polling here is that donald trump consistently is the one who in the republican primary among the electorate is the individual that folks continue to turn to. and when you're talking about this race, thhe's been in it no for five months, katy, and there's an individual, his name is lee zeldin, he was the republican nominee for governor here just a couple of months ago, katy. and here in staten island, he beat the democratic nominee, kathy hochul by a two to one margin two months ago, lee zeldin was here on staten island at an event for ron desantis, the florida governor well, just in the last half hour, lee zeldin, he came out and endorsed donald trump, yet

adding to the congressional former congressional republicans who are backing druonald trump' candidacy, and he said donald trump will be the nominee. and if you are another republican who's looking to take on donald trump, that is a concern here at this point because the polling consistently shows while donald trump with age being a factor could be vulnerable in this race, he continues to consolidate support here and if you're the elec electorate, you're seeing donald trump continue to maintain that sizable advantage over others including ron desantis. >> so lee szeldin was a staunch supporter of donald trump when he was a congressman, but as he was in -- in the aftermath of his governor's race where he didn't quite win but he came closer, i had him on the show a couple of months ago he was wavering in his support for donald trump he went to a desantis event. on my show he told me desantis would make a great republican candidate, a great republican candidate. it goes to show you the way the party is once again starting, it seems, to coalesce around donald trump as the inevitable nominee.

what that means for ron desantis and whether he ultimately does announce he's running remains an open question, it might mean he doesn't ever announce. we will see. mark murray, vaughn hillyard, steve kornacki, gentlemen, thank you very much. and the house is set to vote in a $4.5 trillion bill that will raise the debt ceiling and make cuts to federal spending this week. it is a major test of house speaker kevin mccarthy's ability to corral the 218 votes he needs to pressure president biden to negotiate on the debt limit. so far corralling the gop caucus, though, hasn't exactly been easy for mccarthy, but there are rumblings that the party's moderates and conservatives might be moving towards a consensus. joining me now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. remind me, how many votes in the entire republican caucus is mccarthy able to lose yet still able to pass this baill? >> reporter: he's got a four-vote margin, katy, and a

five-vote majority that can depend on any given day if members are all present, if anybody's out for health reasons. the bottom line here is he's got very little room for error here. mccarthy got a little bit of good news today in his quest to get this debt bill over the finish line. mike lawler a republican moderate from new york state, one of the freshman members of that new york delegation that really helped put the republicans in the majority gave an interview on local television in new york saying that he would back this bill for mccarthy, it's been a balancing act. how do you convince conservatives that the bill you're putting together is conservative enough to get them kp excited about it, get them behind it, get them to believe you're not going to fold, which had been the complaint about mccarthy before he became speaker. if you've got moderate members, how do you convince them to vote for a bill that won't become law that's probably too conservative for their district but may be necessary to get them in the room with joe biden ask start

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hunter biden's legal team sent out two letters today asking for investigations, one into the treasury department to look into a former donald trump aide and one to congress to look into marjorie taylor greene. joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian so nbc news has obtained these letters. what do they say, and what do they want? >> hey, katy this is part of a newly aggressive strategy by hunter biden's new legal team he's represented by abby lowell, a pugnacious litigator who spent the trump years speaking for jared kushner, if you'll recall. and in this case the legal team is asking the treasury inspector

general to investigate a former trump aide who's been circ circulating so-called suspicious activity reports about hunter biden's banking transactions, and this person admitted that he got them from an insider at jpmorgan chase according to this letter, and so the biden team is questioning whether bank secrecy laws have been violated. they're also asking congress to sanction marjorie taylor greene over some inflammatory statements she has made about hunter biden on that one i think the issue here is get in line. who hasn't marjorie taylor greene made -- you know, maligned but it's really interesting because it's part of the strategy that goes back to february where they came out swinging and they asked rudy giuliani and others to preserve records over potential theft of data from that infamous hunter biden laptop they also threatened now former fox news host tucker carlson with defamation, reportedly not everyone in the white house is thrilled with this strategy because every day that hunter biden's in the news arguably is

not a great day for president biden. but right now his team of bulldogs, legal bulldogs is continuing to bite back. >> when might they get a response, and if they're asking congress to investigate and the house is currently led by a republican, is there any chance that they're going to get that investigation? >> i mean, the house ethics committee doesn't really do very much, and in this case they have a lot of -- if they're going to investigate marjorie taylor greene, there's a lot to work with the treasury inspector general request may be fruitful because there does appear to be some serious questions hear about the use of insider banking documents, katy. >> ken, dilanian, thank you very much. >> you bet. coming up next, quote, gun violence is actually worse in red states it's not even close. we'll explain what an investigation into guns by "politico" magazine in america found.

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mass shootings, republican politicians have frequently shifted the narrative to gun violence in blue cities. look at chicago, look at baltimore, look at new york city, they say but if you actually look at the numbers, the actual numbers, big cities in blue states are actually a lot safer per capita. a new investigative report in "politico" magazine argues gun violence is worse in red states. and according to its author, collin woodard, the data shows, quote, it's not even close the new york region is far and away the safest part of the u.s. mainland when it comes to gun violence while the regions florida and texas belong to have firearm death rates per capita three to four times higher than new york. that includes both homicides and suicides joining me now is the director of the nation hood lab at salva regina university, collin woodard. thanks for being here. when we hear this a lot from republican politicians,

especially during political campaigns. look at all the violence in these blue states, look at all the gun violence this is why gun laws don't work. when you look at the data, can you just explain what you saw? >> at nationhood lab, we look at a lot of data that regionalism matters because in the united states regions are very different, and we do it using original settlement maps to understand the true cultural differences between the regions, and we knew that gunviolence would have enormous regional differences from prior scholarship, and we looked into it, and indeed it's enormous regions of the country that i guess you would call blue regions are among the safest places and amongst the most dangerous ones are some of the red regions, particularly the deeper low land south, with rates for things like gun deaths, overall suicides and homicides that are four times that of the regionally settled area around what's now new york city or, you know, two and

threefold differences in terms of homicides, white homicides, six and sevenfold differences per capita when it comes to suicides and the like. the differences are enormous, almost like you're looking at separate companies. >> i'm going to put map number one up, help explain it to our audience when you're talking about regions, you're not going by states you're talking about regions that were originally settled by certain cultures and demographics hundreds of years ago, and so that's why it's kind of broken up the way that we're seeing there, but the darker blue you get, the fewer gun deaths you have per capita and the darkest blue spot on that map is the area around new york city the tri-state area, which you call new netherlands, right? and what we're seeing here is that the most gun deaths happen in the south, and when you're talking about culturally this has been something in the making for hundreds of years, it's not just because of gun laws, can you explain what that means? >> yeah, one thing that's not

really understood by a lot of people is the united states, america was settled by rival colonial projects with totally different religious background, cultural backgrounds, ideas about the kind of society they were building, and these projects like the puritans in new england and the cavaliers in the tide waters around the chesapeake and the spanish southwest, they all settled their own sections of the countr country, and if you know the settlement map, it explains a lot of things, because you will see that same map and those same fissures in election maps, and indeed in gun violence maps, the culture, the inherent values vis because the culture, the inherent values underneath date back a long, long way. and as you can see from the map you are showing, they don't follow state boundaries. you have to dive in at the county level because some states

are driven by centuries old differences like california, texas, ohio or pennsylvania and other states that are entirely with one dominant sort of regional culture like say maine or south carolina. that's why you see those and it is so important and terrific in this way because if you try to use state boundaries you will miss the actual differences between the regional cultures. >> when you talk about what can change, you talk about needing tailored messaging and you say in your article building coalitions at both the state and local level would benefit from tailored messaging that acknowledge traditions and that it is much deeper than party allegiance what does it sound like? >> it would be different depending on where you are for instance, the ethos in the area described as greater appalachian ties back to the original dominant colonial group

which were the scots irish coming from the regions of the lowlands of scotland in the early 1700s and coming from places where you had to protect your kith and kin yourself there were no government institutions to help you it was a war-torn region there is a deep ethic you have to solve problems and defend yourself, very different from the culture the pure tans brought with them. if you are speaking in greater appalachia it has to be how you are securing the safety of the individual and their family. it is sort of more appeals that common guild and building a safe community and the emphasis on the community may look back to places like new england and the greater new england space called yankeedom where those idea and stuff are more deeply buried into the ideology. >> a headline here though when you are talking about gun violence, it is actually states that are predominantly red although the regions are different, have a lot more gun violence per capita than a place

like new york. thank you so much, collin, for coming on. i know i could continue this conversation for quite a while there's a lot more detail, but we will have to leave it there thank you very much. and as i shared earlier this hour, nbc universal ceo jeff shell is out he has left the company effective immediately after an investigation into a complaint on inappropriate conduct that complaint was launched by an nbc universal employee whose attorney has since come forward with a statement joining me is cnbc's julia boorstin what can you tell us >> the attorney for a cnbc international anchor issued a statement saying, quote, the investigation into mr. shell arose from a complaint by my compliant of sexual harassment and sex discrimination given the circumstances it is disappointed my client's name has been released and her privacy violated we have reached out to jeff shell and his representation we have not heard back yet and we have reached out to comcast they don't have a response to this latest comment, but comcast

did file with the sec with details around jeff shell's firing, saying that following a complaint that jeff shell, ceo of nbc universal, engaged in inappropriate conduct with a female employee including allegations of sexual harassment that comcast retained outside counsel to investigate the allegation and during the investigation the evidence was uncovered that corroborated the allegation, sayingthaet he was terminated with cause effective immediately. that's as of the filing just filed with the securities and exchange commission. >> julia boorstin. thank you very much for joining us coming up, closing arguments are under way in one of the most signicifant january 6th trials to date. what prosecutors told jurors the proud boys believed to be their role in the insurrection

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(cecily) oh, it's america's most reliable 5g network. and enterprise control, (seth) and it's only $35 a line. president biden is meeting with the tennessee three -- this is the tennessee two as we are seeing right now, justin jones and justin pearson, the two lawmakers ousted in tennessee for protesting gun violence. they're there with the vice president kamala harris and i think we should bring in white house correspondent -- i'm sorry. i went too quickly to our correspondent. let's listen in. >> what happened was that we did -- we had background checks and, you know, legislation, this so-called red flag laws. but the most extensive legislation in 30 years, but what i'm more proud of is when i

was a senator i was able to leet the fight with dianne feinstein to fight assault weapons and the number of cartridges that could be in a magazine i think we still have to do that, but on so many issues you have been out front and you understand exactly what it is like it is tragic to see what is happening in your state in particular and your city but also across the country. you know, nothing is guaranteed about democracy. ever generation has to fight for it and you all are doing just that so we've a lot to discuss, and with that i know they're going to be really excited but i'm going to ask the press to leave. thank you. >> thank you, guys thank you so much. thank you.

thank you. >> stay tuned. >> thank you >> justin jones, justin pearson getting a kick out of the white house scrum post-meeting with the president, all of the questions that are thrown out to the president that he sometimes answers, sometimes does not. joining us now from the white house is allie rafa. allie, thanks for being with us. we didn't see gloria johnson in that picture, but i think she was there as well, right >> she was we know that these three, at one point we saw a shot of the three sitting on couches with president biden and vice president harris it is pretty remarkable when you think of where these tennessee

lawmakers were just a few weeks ago and how their platform has only been amplified and broadened since they've had these experiences, since that mass shooting in nashville last month that led to their expulsion from the state legislature for leading a protest in the capitol after that shooting, calling for more gun reform now you see them appearing in the oval office at the personal invitation of president biden in the wake of that, and remember that hastily planned trip by the vice president's team as she tried to the next day go down to nashville to meet with these three lawmakers in person. we know that from press secretary karine jean-pierre a little bit about what they're speaking about in this meeting, calling for more gun reform even on a state level, hopefully for them a federal level we know from representative justin jones, who told our own andrea mitchell earlier today that he specifically wanted

president biden to declare a public health emergency on gun violence because of how often we're seeing these mass shootings happen across the country. of course, that's a big ask of president biden who himself has called for gun reform for years now but, of course, the gut check here, katie, is with this divided congress for the next two years of the president's first term it is going to be very difficult, if possible at all to get that gun reform across the finish line. >> they got some gun reform legislation across last year some people thought it was a little bit of a door opening and something could come after that, so far nothing even though we have seen a number of mass shootings in the past few weeks including ones where children have died. allie rafa allie, thank you very much for joining us today we appreciate it that is going to do it for me today on this monday. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪ ♪