ron desantis's trip to washington, d.c. to garner support ended up being a massive failure. it's coming up soon on the reidout blog but i focus on the intersectio of tech and politics it's really been in th conversation around tiktok and elon musk's ownership of twitter. you are just talking about twitter and kind of th disaster that has been going o under elon musk's ownershi over the past two years. so that's gonna be my focu over the coming months and years ahead, for sure. >> well, we love that donald trump is a fan of both ja'ha jones and myself but, you know, donald, we're still gonna report on you bein an authoritarian nightmare so, i can't help you there ja'han jones, thank you very much he does a great donald trump impersonation, by the way. you can find the reidout and all of our usual social medi places, ask for my persona account, you can join me o facebook, tiktok, instagram, and spout-able at julien reed. and that is tonight's reidout. i'm handing it off to my colleague joe scarborough fo his msnbc special.

joe scarborough presents, with some very big guests show. but before we get to that, it' been a weird news day, a whole lot going on your thoughts? what a newsday it's been one of the bigger media news days in quite some time, joy a lot to cover, thank you so much by the way, you guys have to much fun we wake up so early. nobody is laughing at six a.m. too much fun entirely. >> listen, we were trying to replicate the phone you have, see you guys having fun, don't try to say you are not havin fun, we know you are we are trying to carry it on into the evening >> there you go, only after th coffee kicks in, thank you s much, joy. i really appreciate it chris hayes has the night of but he will be back tomorrow night. this is a special edition of joe scarborough presents we have so much to get t tonight including ou interviews with president jo biden, former president bill

clinton, former british prim minister tony blair, secretary of state hillary clinton, an many of the other architects o the 25-year-old peac agreements in northern ireland but we start tonight wit explosive news the announcement from fox news that right-wing host tucke carlson is out at the network. the surprisingly brief statement from fox reads, quote, fox news media and tucke carlson have agreed to par ways we thank him for his service t the network as a host and prio to that as a contributor some reports say carlson's depart was ordered by fo chairman rupert murdoch as early as friday. nbc hasn't confirmed the details, but you don't have to look far to find the reasons fox would want to get rid of tucker carlson at this particular time. according to the l.a. times, quote, carlson's exit is related to a discriminatio lawsuit filed by abby grossberg. the producer fired by th network last month carlson senior executive producer justin willis also ha been terminated.

the times also reported that murdaugh was really concerne about carlson's coverage of th january 6th attack, and also carlson's dismissal may be linked to the landmark 787 million dollar defamatio settlement with dominion votin systems. the president reports quot carson's comments about fo colleagues partly revealed the dominion case played a role in his departure. fox said carlson's final sho aired friday which was a surprise to the anchor who signed off with a promise to return tonight nbc has reached out to tucke carlson for comment. we have not heard back yet let's bring in right now msnbc and nbc news national affair analyst john heilemann he's also the host and executive producer o showtime's the circus. john, explain for us, if you will, we were talking before why is this one of the mor significant days in cable news history? >> i find it hard to think certainly in the history of fo

news, the last thing of this consequence was when roger ailes was fired back in 2016 we thought that was a big deal roger ailes architect of the network. in the time since then tucker's show went on at 9:0 in april of 2017, three months into the trump presidency, basically six years it's bee running, now if you think about that period in our history it's been a turbulent, compulsive, dangerous time we talked a lot in the morning about the battle between democratic values an anti-democratic values authoritarianism, autocratic impulses, political violence conspiracy theories -- >> by the way, a direct line from washington d.c. to russia to hungary, to all of it the literal battle across th united states and the wester world. a battle between autocrati regimes and democracy. >> and we think about donald trump, obviously that is the trump era, his presidency the symbiotic relationship

between trump and fox news, th most powerful force in america political media, it pain people to hear it, but that is the case that symbiotic relationship ha been at the heart of tha debate, of that struggle whether we are going to hold o to our democracy or not. and in that company, the mos powerful of media organization in america, fox news, tucker carlson was the most powerfu voice. he sat there at 9:00 - >> by. far >> by far. he said there at 9:00 afte taking that share and became the highest rated cable host i history -- >> way, everything that we say about donald trump, everything that you are saying right now, everything that the left has been accused of having trump derangement syndrome over, w find out in the discovery of the dominion lawsuit case, tha tucker carlson agrees. -- >> who knew. >> but agrees point after poin

after point. that in fact, donald trump was a direct threat to america democracy. and he destroyed everything he touched. >> it turns out that tucke carlson was, sitting in that chair with his, on man occasions, 4.2 million people night at his peak watching him he was the most openly racist, the most conspiratorial, the person who propagated more conspiracy theories abou january 6th, and covid, of any coach cable host in history, that guy audience, he also turns out to have been a big fat fraud. he is someone that didn' believe many of the things h was saying on some of the most crucial stories, including one around the insurrection. so he was the guy who set th tone and tenor and temperament and the ideological course for fox news -- >> again, during one of th most political periods i recent history >> it's that big buckle phrase come at the hour come at the man. trump tower came and he brough

tucker carlson along with him. that combination of timing and tucker's ability to seize on a incredibly freighted incendiary, the kind o rhetoric that fermented, fanned, fueled all of the worst an most dangerous impulses in american political life. that was his power >> it's hard to remember another time when a host, news host, getting fired was a shocking as what happene today. let's figure out exactly how i went down. let's bring in the guy who broke the story on how it went down l.a. times television reporter steve but tallheo. steve, you said this call came straight from the top, top explain. >> it certainly, rupert wa very involved, but he was no alone in this. i said something this mornin about the decision coming from rupert i was told that lachlan murdoc

and suzanne scott, the head of fox news was on board with thi as well. and there was no dissent here. they knew that this was problem, they look at abby grossberg, i believe that ther is probably evidence in abby grossberg's lawsuits tha incriminates, or certainly implicates tucker in regards t her charges of discrimination, of a hostile workplace environment. that is something that fox new really has not tolerated since the departure of roger ailes they have tried to clean up th culture, there he gave them reason to terminate him. >> but steve, at the same time roger ran the network, top t bottom but what i found time and time again in dealing with fox news if there were ever any disagreements. it's almost like nobody wa home lachlan murdoch allowed tucker to do whatever tucker wanted t do suzanne scott didn't seem to

have any say about what went o over there so that is why when you ha tucker going through what many would consider even the normal guardrails for fox news, the response was, well, he doe exactly what he wants to do. which i guess is why today's news was so shocking >> joe, four years i've aske people inside fox news how lon does rupert put up with tucker and i was told, he will put up with him until the day that he doesn't. and that day is here i think it's a basket of things, i think it's not only th lawsuit, i think they were ver concerned about these reports, or what tucker has been saying about the so-called fbi plan who was not a plant, ray epp who he says wouldn't it was an instigator of january 6th. he was talking about that as recently as last week. there is possible legal action there. so, tucker worked his way onto

the more trouble than he i worth list >> so many lawsuits, you are right, when we talk about th producers, the ex producer lawsuit that is out there. explosive charges, there and obviously, 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit still in the mi with fox let's bring into the conversation also former chairman of the republican national committee, and no msnbc political analyst, and former white house press secretary now an msnbc host ji psaki. jim, you dealt with tucker carlson and what was said on that show. what was said throughout the evening. but really, a news cycle tha was shaped from, not entirel by tucker carlson, but he wa the dominant voice there how significant is today's new coming out of fox? >> well, i think, joe, if yo are sitting in the white house right now, you probably reacte like many of us did which was, wow, that is huge news, right. but they are also not naiv about what this means. in less steve tells us

otherwise, the likel replacement for tucker, or wha their primetime lineup is goin to look like is probably similar, with less tarnished less legally problematic coast but still people who are going to be very critical of the president, the vice president, and others very significant because of hi viewership, because he did drive, if you had white hous reporters come to the briefing room, you knew that a lot of if you watched primetime tal the night before, probably som of the topics would come up in the briefing room. but i do not think they are no naive about it sitting in th white house, either, that this is a big change in strategy or anything, over there >> michael, it is hard t describe the people who don' have relatives in the family that you and i have and also the background that you and have me as a former republican. just, what a massive presenc tucker carlson was, in republican politics. what people who describe

themselves as conservatives, how they viewed tucker carlson is there any chance that thi guy can possibly go from cable news host to a political candidate running agains donald trump >> running against maybe running with yeah, tucker has got any numbe of avenues if he can approac them right now keep in mind, joe, you kno this well, that tucker actuall became sort of the updated manifestation of trumpism. he sort of re-framed the narrative and put images, a lo of tart language around a lo of the stuff that donald trump was pushing. so, his connection to the base is even more unique than trump 's, in many respects because he was the first go to when they weren't listening to trump, they were listening t tucker in terms of what he wants to d next, he can probably decide

whether he wants to do something more direct in politics, if he wants to d something direct in media, w will see where he goes fro there. but he has got options >> and steve, let's follow u on what jen said she said, perhaps you coul tell us whether you believ there may be some sort of shif in culture there i remember roger ailes actuall having enough of glenn back, and firing glenn back, because he believed that back went through the guardrails do you think those guardrail may be a little tighter over a fox news after a 780 million dollar settlement, and the 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit tha they are still staring at? >> i think two things. i think the fact that tucker went today makes it open seaso on other talent and othe executives they went for the big enchilad first, and now, who know what's next. i think there could be mor

housecleaning in order as far as they should shift in strategy, i think one of the reasons they were comfortabl doing this is because they hav done it in the past. when they took o'reilly ou there, i'm going to correct th record, o'reilly was the highest rated personality in the history of fox news. when they took him out, they made some changes, and the audience went right with it. they know how to satisfy their audience and i think they will continue to do that. >> you can look at the peopl who have worked effects, lef fox, thought they were bigge than fox news. never were they never were. >> the machine is more powerfu than the personalities >> the platform is mor powerful than th personalities. and roger ailes used t actually, at times, force host off just to prove to them that the ratings would stay up even when they were gone. that has been proven time an again. los angeles times television reporter steve tallheo, as always, thank you so much, -

>> thank you, sir. >> coming up next, what it means for the business of fo news plus, we are going to play you bill maher her's reaction to the dominion lawsuit settlemen and how that may have played into tucker's downfall later in the hour, hour trip t ireland and northern ireland including my conversation with president joe biden, and why h thinks the fragile peace i northern ireland will hold even in the face of ne challenges >> you said, actually, in your speech you said a lot of american investment right now, is on the sidelines. they are waiting to come int northern ireland >> there is, they want to make sure that this doesn't end u not being put together look, the way to end up having a democracy that functions, it functions as a consequence o its institutional structures when that occurs, you ca generate economic income when there is economic growth, everything grows better.

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but right now, it's time for fox news tonight, so let's get started. >> that is how the 8 pm hour a fox news started the night after tucker carlson shocked departure from that network. that was it. no reporting for the discussio on the firing, and then it works most popular primetime host but on wall street today, th response to the news was far more dramatic. fox stock fell soon after th news and the network had lost star anchor. they recovered somewhat late in the day, but still closed down nearly 3% over $500 million in marke capitalization to talk about it, let's brin in our financial columnist for the new york times, and co-hos have cnbc. we are still with michae steele, jen psaki, and stephen battaglio. but, andrew, let's start wit you, what is the impact on fox and how do you think thing have changed since the dominio lawsuit? should we expect sort of a new approach for fox news? or is it gonna be more the same? >> you know, i know there' been so much hand-wringing, an

i know there's, and some cases the light that some people vie what happened with the stock price today. from a financial perspective it is not clear that the los of tucker carlson is going t have a meaningful and clearl not a 3% impact on the actua economics of the business. most of the business of fo news, or for the most part i for affiliates, it's the cable subscription fees, 4.2 billion dollars worth annually, th sponsorship piece is one point for some of billion dollars. i don't to say that's no significant, but if they los $10 million a night, or a year rather on this show, rathe than with whoever the new host turns out to be, rather than tucker, and we've seen thi before we've seen it. you are just talking about it, you know, in the last segment. so many big time names that we all know who are on that network. they left, and everybody said,

oh my god, how are they goin to continue? and they continued >> but let's talk about this andrew here's the difference righ now. you have a 787 million dolla judgment, or settlement that fox enters into. there is two 7.7 billion dolla lawsuits they're still facin right now. there are producer lawsuits. and this is what i wonder, and i was asking this question all last week, i guess you can say that some of my questions were answered with what happene today, but how long gonna -- how long can the shareholder -- how long can the board allo fox news to be the wild, wil west and i don't think -- >> i don't think they can. >> perhaps some of that led to today. >> but i don't think they can, but let's do it this way they start with four billion dollars in cash, okay? they just handed, let's, say $800 million, to make th numbers easy to dominion this next suit, th

smartmatic's suit, let's say i is similar in terms of what th settlement is on the same kind of scale, that would be 1. billion. so, now, they spent two billio dollars. then, let's talk about abby' case i don't know what you think th number is there. >> yes, the numbers will com down, but the way the stoc market's gonna look at the company is less about what happens to the cash pile and more about what happens to the cash going forward to this company. i think a lot of talk across some to fox, the bigger issue, and i don't have the answer to that yet, does he or not compete? does he show up on newsmax that would be a problem. that would be a demonstrable problem for them >> yes, all right, well we shall see. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, greatly appreciated. so, a couple of things here. we didn't talk, michael steele yet about ray epps who was o 60 minutes last night. and of course all of the problems with the lies tha were spread around january the 6th, and particularly th supporter of donald trump wh went on 60 minutes last nigh to say this guy is destroyin

my life. >> yeah, it's interesting ho some of these narratives are kind of turning around now, an that warm is trying to figur out some fresh ground, a opposed to the ground it's currently stuck in i don't know with any of thi works. i think, to andrews broade point, with respect to a fox audience, they're all in i many respects. and, yes, some may follo tucker if he goes to newsmax but there is a brandin relationship there that both trump and fox have been able t bring together so, i don't know what, i mean, you hear those folks now who are all up to trump, supportin the lies, pushing thos narratives, suddenly now finding, you know, having that come to jesus moment, an realize, oh, this guy struggle for the party. some of the folks i've talke to, who were in that space they're saying, okay, so what' their interest so, there's suspicion now that

is emerging, joe, that's going to be interesting to watch >> it is gonna be interestin to watch because, of course, a lot of the problems with dominion started after the election and there was actually a mas exodus of fox fewer is over at newsmax. so, jen psaki, i've gotta as you all about the news that' coming up tomorrow are we, are we gonna see president biden announces hi reelection campaign? and if so, any change in strategy based on the news o the day? >> i don't think -- i'm, i think that seems very likely joe. but i don't think so i mean, look if you are th biden campaign, the biden whit house, fox is still a huge challenge. you can either banned them if you banned them, that's lik feeding a gremlin, and it make them bigger, and it empowers them you can fact check them, tha could take all day or you can figure out when t engage them, punch them in the nose a little bit like the bully, sometimes that they are so, that's their choice. it's tricky. but, you know, they gott factor that in wednesday announce >> and one other thing w

haven't talked about yet in th producers lawsuit, the charges of antisemitism. which i think maybe some of th most explosive charges tha we've heard yet. >> i think there are a lot o things that may be about t come out, things that tucker carlson has said, done, with receipts that could complicate hi future plans, particularly i they happen to be political, considerably >> all right, jen psaki, michael steele, thank you both so much. we greatly appreciated we'll see you tomorrow and up ahead, the story of the good friday agreement, and how peace in northern irelan dramatically came down to th last moment. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> when i got to norther island, there was, there was n agreement. >> listen to the conversations about the peace deal tha almost wasn't from the peopl who were there plus, bill maher later on th show we're gonna show you a cli from this past week that may explain one of the reasons

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a crowd in northern irelan that you are an atheist, someone will ask whether it' the the got of protestants o the gun of catholics, in who you don't believe. such are the complications resulting from decades o sectarian violence known as th troubles

for 25 years ago brave men and women, role politicians, world leaders, belligerence from all sides with nothing to lose and everything to gain locke themselves into a room and hammered out in historic dea on good friday in 1998 [inaudible

14 people were killed th outraged the i.r.a. seek revenge. >> there was a confrontation eight miles from where the queen was. >> [sound of gunfire >> growing up in the 60s and 70s nobody could ever imagin peace would come to northern ireland. >> i was actually living i england, going to school whe the troubles started i saw tenfold from the beginning to the end

and i just hated it. i came to ireland a couple times when i was in school i wanted something to happen >> - when his boat was blown up by bomb a blast shattered the 30-foo but leaving just bits of woo floating in the water. one witness said he heard th explosion and then the boa just disappeared the provisional wings of the irish republican army claime responsibility for the bom describing it as an execution. >> when i was growing up in th states you would see this as a nation, you would see th bombing, the bombings of heritage, you would see all th strikes going on in northern ireland, the troubles. how in the world could you get from there to where you were 2 years ago? and where we are today >> i was growing up during all those times, the troubles. it was >> it was the ira who

did the assault on the british government -- the i.r.a. managed to plant th 20 pound bomb in a secured roo even though the police had put the hotel off limits since monday to the general public prime minister thatcher, known as the iron lady, she said she was unfazed by the blast eve though the bathroom in her hotel suite was destroyed. she had been in the bathroom seconds before the explosion >> there's some new atrocity o act of terrorism or violence >> i think we were able to dea with it because politica leadership in northern ireland itself they were prepared to move o and try to embrace a different future >> you and president close clinton, you were insisten that sinn fein be involved i the process. >> you took a real risk there.

>> because when you th troubles started in the 60 their work to efforts to try t make a solution. the one in 74 didn't work. but the next man was 11 year later, in the meantime the violence got worse then in 85 didn't work out again, people tried their best then they waited 30 years. we calculated that the other two didn't work. [inaudible we had to devise away, which was risky, of being able t bring in people from ireland and sin. the biggest thing is to stop the killing. every day, i went from, tw years from the end of th second level school to college then all the way through

politics, and the troubles wer still going. the basics of it were to sto the violence, stop the killings every day there were bombs >> simply by landing here, air force one made history as th first american president t visit here arrive to the mos enthusiastic crowd he has seen in some time they pushed back policed t meet the president who, like one in four u.s. presidents, claims roots in ireland. it was unmistakably a day of events designed for th president to push for peace. beginning with in ranged curbside meeting with th leader of ira. >> the state department wa angry with you the british were angry not jus for meeting jerry adams, but for the handshake. they were trying up to the las second to stop you from doin that >> you have to, at some point,

be willing to talk, and if you make an agreement, we willin to trust and i thought, you know, that' the principle. i thought, if they got going then i would keep going. if they had the right sort o guidance in a situation like this, that has been going on for 30 years a lot of innocent people had been killed, had nothing to do with involved on either side people have to get used to the fact that in order to get well they may not be able to ge even >> [inaudible] the driver was ordered to park beside the hotel the people inside were given 1 minutes to get out >> 45 minutes past, then the bomb went off. no

>> bill and i came in 1995 and i was just remembering, yo know, we stated that europ hotel in belfast it was the most bombed hotel i the world. and bill says, you know what if we are going to ask peopl to take risks, if we are going to ask people to give up their ideas about what they should get, then we have to show them we are willing to connect to them and make a stan ourselves. we saw, first hand, that thi was going to be an arduous undertaking. there was a short period o time in history a couple o years, really, that led to the good friday agreement. it happened in large par because the people of northern ireland wanted it. they finally head had enough they said we have got to d better than this >> ireland was going to take risks and the people who wer

affected the most deeply had t carry on working at it ireland was a changing country there was a different feeling, as like iced if you like and it came together and then we had people on th outside, in this case presiden clinton who had both the intelligence to understand the issue and the application to work at it >> and yet, with everybody working together, you describe how this came together at th last second. >> it was crazy. we were literally locked up in a not very nice building for days >> george mitchell was smart o that one >> i've heard about this building, jerry adams actually said it was not a very goo place to negotiate >> it was a horrible place t negotiate. they weren't proper facilities the building was not conducive at all as the days went on, because originally i was supposed to

come for the agreement when i got to northern ireland the whole thing had collapsed. there was no agreement so we had to do a lot of re-drafting, i had must of had six hours sleep in three days. as the thing went on it became it became pressure on everyone -- you cannot go out afterwards there was a huge pressure on the people inside the building >> i believe that today courag has triumphed. i said when i arrived here o wednesday night that i felt th hands of history upon us today, i hope that the burde of history can at long las start to be lifted from ou shoulders. >> the people got ahead of the politicians, they were sick an tired of people dying. they were tired of getting killed walking down the street at night when the accord was put up for

a vote it passed by 94 approval in ireland, but als by 71% in northern ireland and it showed you that the people got out ahead of th politicians, in a way. and they had the courage to do what had to be done. >> the parties have made brave decisions. they have chosen hope over hate the promise of the future over the poison of the past in so doing already they hav written a new chapter in the rich history of their islands. >> you said that the goo friday agreement was more of a agreement, it was very complex it was more of an agreemen than it was to reach a destination. >> the agreement, i don't know if it was so complex you can't understand anythin about this in less you can see clearly in the context of th british colonization of ireland.

people were denied basic rights. part of the agreement was to get these rights the rights were the destination, the agreement was a journey on the destination. -- [inaudible we didn't have that mechanis until the good friday agreement. it's much better to think, it' much better than it was before we had the agreement >> today british troops in northern ireland are being attacked more often by the irish republican army. this is happening because th british soldiers have been beating the i.r.a. badly i cities and towns out into the countryside nea their hideout in souther island -- [sound of artillery] in general, the soldiers wor

has stoked public confidence this brings hope for peace t stop the bloodshed >> what does this mean 25 year later to you, personally, an all the people in northern ireland? >> it was a great moment for american diplomacy and leadership to help end the conflict it took 3700 lives, one afte another, for so many years the damage and the distress an the division was so deep and to see what consistent diplomacy can actually produce when people who have ver different opposing ideas about what they want for their own future, we'll take risks t compromise to get to peace >> the chance to live in peace the chance to raise children out of the shadows of fear today's about the promise of a

bright future. a day when we hope a line ca be drawn in this bloody path [inaudible ending -- >> instead of, every human being has a right to dignity and respect, and treat peopl that we want to be treated yourself >> so, how difficult was it fo you to talk to members of your party, to talk to the britis public, i guess to talk to the royal family and say, we'r gonna sit down with jerry adams, we're gonna sit down with sinn fein, we're gonna sit down als with people who are responsibl for the killing of people that you knew and loved >> it was very difficult because i sat with people, the

families of those that wer killed in the terrorism. and what do you say to them? they say you're sitting down - >> with a murderer >> but my child's murderer and your shaking hands wit them and in the end, it is strang and interesting thing abou human nature, they divided int two categories, the people who just couldn't forgive you fo it, and the people who said, okay, i understand, i provided you can tell me that if you ca get this agreement, an someone's not gonna suffer lik i have suffered. that child is not gonna di like my child died, then you d it >> the appearance of eight-year-old catherine hamill, who's innocent welcome to th president turned sat when sh spoke of the death of he father, murdered in their home when she was six months old an her mother's arm, losing a father in the war of catholics versus protestants >> my first daddy died in th troubles it was the saddest day of my life i still think of him it's nice and peaceful, and

like - instead, people should - peace and love will last i ireland forever. >> when they talk here about the troubles, it is ofte capitalized, a vivid in recent memory the president tried to capitalize on this visit t further the peace, promoting a new era and promising irelan peace. >> if you enter that era determined to build a new ag of peace, the united states of america will proudly stand wit you. [applause] >> i'll tell you what, just an extraordinary piece, extraordinary leadership extraordinary courage by the irish politicians, but i politicians, and of course b president clinton, and hillary clinton who of course not only went on to be a senator, and secretary of state, but she' also the first woman to be the chancellor of queens i

diversity in belfast and right after i interviewe president clinton, he wa leaving secretary of state was coming in, and one of th presidents staff members said, mister president, th chancellor they had a big laugh and it was just an extraordinary piece, they'll to celebrate still ahead, more on the major story of the day, tucker carlson is out at fox news comedian bill maher may have been pointed the top vertex, i could've been a last straw for fox. we'll tell you what that is, next ♪ ♪ ♪

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text came out. he called trump's lawyer sydney powell, who he wa having on his show givin credibility to in the text, he says she is -- a psychopath, a liar, and a la -- and the fox news spokesman sai well, they are cherry-pickin those checks out of context. >> that was bill maher las friday after fox settled wit dominion before the big news today. the separation of fox news and tucker carlson those text, not helpful at all may have added to his demise i'm curious what are your fina

thoughts about this huge newsday? >> i disagree with andre sorkin, he is right. tucker carlson leaving, th story here is not a financia story, it's not a business story. it's a culture story, it's a story about politics the question is whether rupert murdoch has the desire to stay out of these courtrooms and no testify, the desire to see republicans be able to win i 2024 we see this footage with desantis, has he finally decided that in total he i done with trump and the bi lie. is this a symbolic moment of change for fox news. we don't know the answer t that question, we do know that tucker carlson's last words as a news anchor, the entir episode of let them eat bugs streaming, we will be back o monday that's how he signed off >> you know what they told m when i decided to retire on friday i would say, we will see you on monday.

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