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>> thanks for being with u tonight. it is very, very good to hav you here so, it was labor day weekend 1936 it was hot it was around 90 degrees and 100,000 people turned ou to see him he himself said from the stage from the podium at the front o the crowd that the crowd was about 80, 000, but the polic actually said it was bigger. the police said it was 100,000 people and, again, this was in 1936 so, if you want to adjust that for inflation, like it was $ amount, if you want to adjus that to account for how big th whole population of the countr was at the time compared to now, 100,000 people then compared t the overall size of the country, that will translate today to a crowd of, like, 250, 260,000 people

which is a really big crowd, particularly since the perso that they were all there to se was just some guy with a radio show have you ever heard of a politician named william lemke it's okay if you haven't william lemke was a candidate for president, a third party candidate in the 193 presidential election. and that huge, huge, huge rall on labor day weekend in chicag in 1936, that was a rally in support of william lemke's presidential campaign. but lemke's campaign did nothing. lemke himself held his own rallies just a day before that 100,000 person rally, and he got less than 10,000 people to show up. when it came to election day i november of 1936, lemke go less than 2% of the vote william lemke is somebody who' not only been forgotten by history, he was forgotten whil he was still happening

and he was just nothing, did not move the needle at all the only reason 100,000 people turned out for a lemke related rally on a hot september day you know, something, something related to lemke's campaign, the only reason that giganti number of people turned out wa because their radio guy wa there. they were all there to see the radio guy, because their radio guy, he was the big deal he was huge. it could turn out 100,00 americans again, a proportion os population that will translate to about a quarter million people today at an in-person event. he was one of the best known people in the country. he was on hundreds of radi stations, at the time when radio stations were all we had in terms of his weekly listene ship, the best estimates are that he, around 1936, around

this time, he had tens o millions of americans. listen listening to him. this is at a time when the country had a population o less 130 million people, but h had 30 million people listenin to him every week. i mean, that is among th conservative estimates of hi reach, something like a quarte of the entire population of th united states was listening to him on the radio every week. until they weren't his name was father charle coughlin and while he was being the biggest most dominant medi figure this country has ever known, he was also serving as catholic priest. and while he just became a bigger and bigger and bigger deal on the radio, and he go more and more political, and more and more radicall right-wing in his politica broadcasts, you know, sometime his views allied with the view of the interest of the catholi church, sometimes they didn't. but thanks to his massive reac

on the radio, his huge success on that medium, more dominan than anyone ever before or since, because he was such a big deal in the media, you know, both coughlin and the church were well aware that with possible exception of the pope himself, and that's arguable charles coughlin was the mos influential catholic on earth. so, even though he was really, really controversial and getting more so all the time the church gave him a wide berth. until they did not i mean, when he starte explicitly telling his followers, i choose the road o fascism. that was awkward for his bosse at the church. when he organized his follower into an armed militia in the united states, and one unit of that militia got put on tria for making and stockpiling bombs, and attending attemptin a violent overthrow of the u.s government that, too, was awkward for the church, and for coughlin's

buses. when coughlin called the president of the united states quote, anti-god, and a communist, and said he was a secret jew, that was ver awkward for coughlin's bosses. when he blamed jews for all th ills of the world, when he reported after crystal lake, i nazi germany, that oh, yeah, maybe the nazis were going after the jews intermediate but, we should understand that jews brought it on themselves when all of this thing happened, he said all of these things it was all very awkward fo coughlin's bosses. and, yes, individual radio stations here and there, and then some radio networks started pulling his show off the air in response to that, his supporters picketed an protested and claimed he was being persecuted but ultimately, what finally changed, what finally wet trul pulled him off the air entirel was that his bishop died who was a catholic priest, and he had had this bishop, wh came up with excuses for everything he said, uncovere for him, and protected him, hi bishop died.

coughlin had a new bishop wh came in, and then you bishop thought coughlin was a headach for the catholic church, s they pulled the plug on him, t come off the radio, gone and no one in american media would ever be that dominan again. i mean, it would be a full 5 years before anybody eve ascended to that thrown. but the next closest, sort of, juan shadow of that guy' influence was this guy, who in the late 19 80s started an a.m. radio career that changed 8 am radio turned what had bee a mix of sport broadcast and religious services, an community service, community access, sometimes even foreign language broadcasting. it turned all of that into a part of the american media tha was just dominated by hard-lin right-wing talk radio. he went to dozens, and the hundreds of stations nationwide,

very quickly he got himself literally a golden microphone, like, there's a certain kind of worl leader who likes to show off that he's got a gun made out o gold this guy had a gold microphone that he made sure was all hi photos, very proud of. it usually successful, h changed the whole purpose of that part of american media. he is fond of thousands, if no thousands of radio imitators that you're angry great uncl probably still listens to today, provided that he still has a radio. you know, at his height, h really seemed like his potential was limitless, lik his influence would just kee growing and growing and growing. until it didn't. there was also a bit of the sa william lemke for presiden campaign about him as well he was a notable failure t cross over yes, he did wonders for emerado. he transformed a and radio, bu they tried putting him o

television in the 1990s. they tried to put his radi show into a living room se that looked like a reject se from the 700 club, that did no work at all, it was a huge humiliation. they also, amazingly, at espn, they tried putting him on tv a a sports commentator at on point. he lasted, i think, not on month before that failed, an that fell apart too. then, after him, there was thi guy, who also built a fast growing audience on right-wing a.m. talk radio. and then, he was brought on to television, and he did well. he was brought on to the fox news channel and he got huge ratings at the fox news channel, with a sor of signature, elaborat conspiracy theories that h would draw out on a chalkboard and kind of a pseudo-religious messianic thing, that i thin people often forget about hi now at one point, you ma remember he held a suit or religious revival rally, like

rally for himself on the national mall. he said at one point that rall was to unveil his hundred-year plan to save the country it's all very weird. but at the fox news channel, h was their fastest-growing start, which they must have been very happy with at fox news, unti they weren't he was fired and now, he has like a website at the time slot he used to be on, which, again, rating records were set at the time like he was on after he left, they felt tha timeslot was an ensemble show. that turns up, he also doe great in the ratings with th other show and they don't have anybod whose name you know of top o your head at all and then, it was this guy. this guy actually was th biggest host that fox ever had and their marquee primetim spot he was the most dominant voice in right-wing television ever, until he wasn't.

he, too, fired in 2017, in his case and now, he does youtube videos, i think, from his home now, there is this guy >> and the latest biggest thing. and he is out today as well. he's been fired. and if you can see these guy as a series, if you can se them as a sequence rather than just a stand-alone individuals which i think is a helpful way to see them. i, at least, think it's helpfu to look at them that way because i think it makes i easier to cut through the noise, to cut through the personalities, to cut throug the individual persona circumstances around each of their rises and falls. i think it's easier, if yo look at them as a series, as a sequence, it's easier to get t what matters about them, not four, you know, themselves their individual companies their families, them their friends, i think it's easier when you look at them as a group, to get what matters about them for the country

because what you get, if you squint at this series of guys, who are dominant for their time, well, you would realiz overtime that as time has gone forward, if you look at this over, you know, 90 year spread of time, you see that overtime whoever the dominant figure is in right-wing radio, o right-wing media, th right-wing media industry, whatever it is, whoever is dominant for their time gets smaller and smaller and smalle overtime i mean, don't get me wrong there is a constant c here right? you get unnerving simila messaging from these guys over decades. they all say some version of trust no one except, of course me, because i'll give it to yo straight, nobody else will they also tend to say i know what god wants, and obviousl what god wants is what i want. and i therefore can tell you who is evil and must b eliminated i mean, there is a constant se in terms of the way they perform. they all sing a version of tha

same song. you're right to se commonalities among them i style and in terms of the kind of appeal they have, the kin they're selling, the way the try to get americans to hate each other, present each other particularly the way they tr to get americans to hate minority groups. but i also think it can be overstated, right? even though there's always one of them who is dominant, the magnitude of their dominance decreases overtime and you can see that, when you look at who's been the dominan figure and decade after decade generation after generation, a big as any of these modern guy are, there is never ever going to be anyone as dominant a father charles coughlin was in the 1930s. and as big as the broadcasters were, you know, in the 80s and 90s, they'll never compete wit coughlin and the broadcasters who wer huge in the 80s and 90s, the were more dominant in thei time than any of the flavor of the month broadcasters are dominant now

so, we have a dominant figure, almost always, there's somebod who is dominating. but the magnitude of their dominance, their overall importance to their media, right-wing media ecosystem, it just shrinks as right-wing media, overtime, diversifies and becomes a lot of different things, and something that exists on a lot of different platforms. so, there will never b somebody as big as the biggest guys of the past secondly, what you see over an over and over again, i don't really why this hasn't sunk in and became kind of a thing tha we make fun of these guys for. but when you really look at it it becomes quite clear tha dominance inside conservativ media, it doesn't tend to cros over into any kind of majo influence. i mean, yeah, you can fill chicago on a labor day weekend in 1936 with your sweaty fervent screaming supporters but you can't get your

candidate, william lemke, to 2 in the polls on election day just a few weeks later you don't get your pet candidate lemke elected to anything you don't get to call football games on tv for the nfl. you don't lead 100-year-long messianic religious revivals you don't persuade americans t start attending their testicle on masks success in conservative medi is a thing there is always someone it doe tend to translate to success anywhere other than th conservative media and that's fine. i mean, conservative media itself is a very big business. it is very slick it is very successful as a entity in a way, i'm sorry t say, that partisan liberal media never has been, not fo what i'm trying, trust me know but what's actually importan for the country, i think her is understanding wha conservative media does, not

overstating dominant conservative media figures a somehow, and standing with stride american culture, and making things happen they all only exist in terms o their influence within conservative media but conservative media and the conservative movement are very effective. they are rich, effective successful, thriving enterprises. and for at least in the past generation, that really is where the political success ha been on the american right it is in conservative media an in the conservative movement that is where they are strongest. and conservative media and the conservative movement into d ret around like a rag doll that' missing a limb or two. i mean, that republican part is comparatively very weak very disorganized, and has n idea how to talk to people the republican party has los the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidentia elections. i mean, look at the headline in the other news from the right right now.

news that's not about th conservative media, news that' about the republican party keep in mind that we are a democracy, and your sex as a political party depends on people lacking your ideas an voting for them. look at what they are runnin on now, look at what they're doing and governance right now and think about the popularity of these things to the average american look at the headlines righ now. republicans voting to rollback child labor laws, lobbyist have found remarkable succes among republicans to relax regulations that prevent american children from working long hours in dangerou conditions okay, so they are crusadin tribal, child labor laws republicans in missouri vote t shut all public libraries. yes, americans sure hate libraries. republican-controlled states g after millions of american families who right now hav health insurance, becaus republicans want to take awa that health insurance from millions of american familie and leave them with nothing.

that will be popular republicans fighting right now in dozens of states to loa people up with student loans they otherwise would not hav to deal with everybody is gonna love that republicans blocking rap victims from receiving emergency contraception, because who among us doesn't see a mainstream america voting issue in forcing wome who have been raped, forcing women who have been raped to bear the child of the rapist against their will that is a winning issue for th voters, i'm sure republicans all over the country not only banning abortion, which is radically unpopular in this country, but now in multiple states, they are changing the rules of ho laws can be made in thos states, so that people who liv in those states will no longer be able to vote for abortion rights even if that's what the want i mean, look at it in terms of their high dollar candidates the guy pulling second for tha

republican nomination fo president is hoping to close t the white house on the popularity of him just signing a total ban on abortion, and also instituting book bans, an attacking -- what, no puppies to kick the guy pulling first for th republican nomination for th nomination was just indicted o 24 felonies, and tomorrow's th day it will be a civil sui against him related to the rin claims and i mean, that is just lik today. a snapshot of how things are going with the republican party, and their effort to win over the american people to the popularity of their ideas. and it's kind of been like tha for a while. and in contrast, the conservative media business, and the conservative movement, they have their act together whenpublican party they, for example, are ver successful, both at what the try to do, and in pure busines terms.

they are slick, and they are powerful at least they have been. and they really are responsibl for the success of the political right in this countr in a way that, i'm sorry, yo just cannot credit to the work of that republican party itself, because when the republica party, when republican party politicians are left to do their thing, you know what the do so, now, here is the question. the conservative media right now, today, is in one of its periodic crises. today, they just lopped of another one of their episodically dominant figures, who for whatever reason hasn't worked out but he really is one of th strength of them there will be someone after him. and the important question aside from the gossip and th business news and all that stuff, the important questio for our country is about the success of that business, le success of that industry whether that remarkabl successful industry as a whole is today and any risk of losin

its jewish, its power, it' capacity, importantly to dra the republican party around in its wake, no matter how haples that party's and remains that's the question. joining us now is jay rosen, he's a professor of journalism at new york university, and longtime observer of this part of the media world mr. rosen, i really appreciate you making the time to be here thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> first, let me just ask yo to tear me apart -- and tell m if you think there's anythin that i'm fundamentally wrong about, or missing, or gettin the wrong way around about tha take on the strength o conservative media and its stars. >> nothing wrong, but there is something missing. let me introduce you to verification and reverse, whic i think is a factor in thi history that you are accountin for us verification it's taking something that might be true and trying to nail it down wit

facts, evidence, expertise verification in reverse is whe you take something that's al already been nailed down, an you introduce doubt about it and that releases a lot of energy, and it causes commotion, leads to controversy, needs to culture war. and with this energy, you ca power your political movement, maga, because maga works thi way, that republican party looks less and less like a normal traditional political party, because maga works this way, the conservative movement needs its own media system and this, i think, it's a sort of hidden factor in history of your, that you are we counting for us, because it leads t absurdities like the -- battle with a crazy sort of policie that are being suggested, as you listed for us. and this is also where fox new

fits in because fox isn' really a news network, because it doesn't believe i verification and so, i would add that as factor, not a cause, as factor in the analysis you gav us, which was otherwise, right on the mark. >> if, as you say, reverse verification, releases a lot o energy, you tell people this thing you thought was settled. this thing you knew was true we're gonna tell you what's no true we're gonna blow that up you said that when he says a lot of energy. it is that process being interrupted by things like sort of accountability moments like the dominion lawsuit, and like some of the other thing that seem to be driving some o the internal crises in the biggest parts of the conservative media world >> that's why that case was so important, the dominion case but overall, conservative medi

world is built around th success of verification an reverse. that's how trump became leading political figure wit the missing birth certificat case that's what stop the steal was all about. it is taking something that' been established as true denying it, and the power of that denial moves your movemen closer and that movement now it's taking over the republican party, which is why th democratic party, and that republican party, we no longer resemble each other. that's why we have such an asymmetry in our politics, which screws around a lot of other values and norms and practices that no longer makes sense, because the two parties operate in such a different way. also, i would add one othe thing, rachel, which i underneath that history that you gave us, there was the ris of the american consensus, a historians call it, the postwa

consensus, where the two parties roughly worked in th same way, and they had different values they wanted to take the countr in different directions. but they kind of agreed on basic facts. that world is completely gon now. and conservatives, so-called exist in their own information sphere, which not only i separate from the mainstream media, but needs to constantly attacked the mainstream media, and it's picture of the real i order to create that power, th momentum that i talked about >> i feel like what you ar describing, though, is a syste that's kind of zooming towards entropy. and i'm not sure, the only par of it that i feel that i can't -- i can't discern from the wa you're describing it is wher it ends. i mean, does that just continu to mushroom out? or is there some limitin factor that causes a crash i mean, i'm asking if we, in practical terms, whether conservative media continues t be as rich as it is, and a

effective as it is even with these dynamics tha you are describing, sort o accelerating right through today's news, and right throug this very extreme period on th right. >> i want to give you my bes professional answer, i don't know [laughter] >> a humble man -- >> i don't know where it's going either what you're saying is that i seems like this couldn't go on and on and on, but it does and it's given us trump once and it may again and i don't think anyone knows where it's going is it heading for a crash? or, as you say, it'll just continue >> jay rosen, professor of journalism at new york university jay, i really appreciate you making time to make it her tonight. it's been a chaotic day fo you. thanks for making time for us. >> thanks, rachel. >> all right, we've got much more ahead here tonight. we're gonna be joined tonigh by former chief of staff former white house chief o staff for president biden, ron klain, he's gonna be here with us live. more ahead

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about democracy. every generation has to figh for it >> nothing is guaranteed about democracy. every generation has to figh for it, you all are doing just that that was president biden today at the white house meeting wit the so-called tennessee three, the three democratic state legislators from tennessee who are threatened with expulsio by the republicans who control that state legislature, afte they participated in an anti gun violence protest at th state house. two of those lawmakers, the tw young black male lawmakers justin jones, justin pierson they were expelled from th legislature, only to b reinstated days later by their communities. today, all three of th lawmakers got an audience with the president of the unite states, in which he called the actions against them, as w just heard, shocking, shocking and undemocratic those sentiments ring from president obama. throughout his first term, h has made the issues of protecting democracy, and also

stopping gun violence, quite central to his presidency. so, in some ways, it makes sense that today, he met wit those three lawmakers. he met with him on the eve o what many people expec tomorrow to be his announcemen that he's going to run for a second term. to morrow, tomorrow will mar the four year anniversary of the day president bide officially launched his last run for the white house, i successful run for the white house that putin where he is today. as soon as tomorrow morning, h is expected to release, or w expect to be another video announcement declaring his intention to run for reelection joining us now, i'm very pleased to say, is ron klain he's a former white house chie of staff to president biden. he joins us now for his firs primetime interview since he left the white house ron, you look rested, dan and, ready. i know that has a weird echo but you look well. i hope you are >> i'm doing very well, rachel thanks for having me >> let me ask, let me ask abou your decision to step down a

white house chief of staff whe you did, and what you've bee working on since i saw the announcement that yo are back at your law firm, for exam >> yes, it was a grueling tw years. it was a very rewarding to yours very productive two year as chief of staff, a proud o what we did, and proud of th team, but at the white house part of what we executed wit president biden's vision we've got so many importan laws passed, and we took som important executive actions. and also, we rallied behin ukraine's fight for freedom. but it was a hard grind. and after two years, i neede to step back, and take som time to deal with my health an rest up a bit, spent some time with family. so, i've been doing for a past couple of months, and i went back to work >> i know that you are not gonna get ahead of the news. i know you are a disciplined man. but i also know that when yo step down as chief of staff, you told the president, i look forward to being on your side, being at your side when you ru for president in 2024. again, i know you're not going

to get out of the news but i think we're all expectin that president biden is gonn run again, and that is going t announce, potentially as soo as tomorrow. or you can havea form, forma role in this campaign? >> rachel, the president has said he's going to run again whether or not the announcemen comes tomorrow, i think it wil come soon. and i'm gonna have a forma role i did have a formal role in th 2020 campaign. i was a formal adviser, offered my advice and help whe i could. i'll do the same thing thi time around. and i'll leave the actua campaign work to people who ar really experts and campaig work >> in terms of what you were able to accomplish as chief of staff, there were a lot of major legislativ accomplishments of the kin that you could expect them t get, you can expect them to ge a lot of attention in national campaign, gun reform, bipartisan infrastructure bill landmark legislation on climat change, landmark legislation o drug prices, a number of

different accomplishments like that, support for ukraine that you described a moment ago do you have a sense of, having been there for the creation of achievements of the presidents first term, do you have a sens of how he can best capitaliz on those in the reelection >> i think, rachel, i agre with you i think the president' accomplishments, in his firs two years, it will be a bi part of his message in his reelection campaign. but he is not just gonna run a to get a pat on the back he will run because he has wor left to do, and we mad tremendous progress in the economy, but there's still mor to be done we need to further tam inflation. we need to further accelerat economic growth. we need to take some of thos lost that the president passed and actually implement the infrastructure law, and buil those bridges and roads and yo airports around the country. he passed the chips bill creating high tech manufacturing jobs all ove america. that's gonna unfold in the nex couple of years. and the inflation reduction act, as you said, to bring down dru prices, starting next year most significantly the first step on insulin this year, and other things wil start next year. same thing with a lot of the

tax credits for new sustainabl energy developments. and so, you're gonna see - we're gonna see billions and billions of dollars, creatin manufacturing jobs in america, thanks to the laws that th president passed we're gonna make things in america again for the firs time in a generation we are seeing tremendous progress already on th employment side. president biden paid more jobs in his first two years than an two years in american history. we've got unemployment at 3% the black employment rate ha the lowest it's been i american history 5% we made a lot of progress, mor work to be done on things like guns, voting rights, climate change, and economy. and that, i think, will create a powerful agenda for a second biden term >> ron, in terms of the overal atmosphere in the country, i terms of the health of our democracy, in terms of what it will be like to run in 2024, i have to ask you, given today's news, as somebody who worked a a very high level of the white house, i have to ask you if yo have any reaction to the new today from fox news, both th

settlement with dominion las week, but also the firing of their top ranked -- top rate anchor today you have any response to that, or an expectation for how that might change things? >> i don't, rachel i agree with the sentiment you expressed in the first part of the program tonight, which i they will find someone t replace tucker carlson we'll have all the sam messages as tucker carlson had as o'reilly had before him, as hannity had, as rush limbaug had, it will be the same stuff different mouthpiece and that definitely is contributing to the division o this country president biden was able t overcome that in the 202 election we overcame that in the 2022 midterms with the best matur result for a new president since fdr, confident the president can overcome again i 2024, and when again as he did in 2020. >> ron klain, former white house chief of staff t president biden, joining us fo the first primetime intervie since leaving the white house, ron, again, it is really nic to see you thank you for being with u tonight. >> thanks for having me, rachel appreciate it. >> all right, more news ahead,

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put the news tonight, some fox employees pointed to the lawsuit by fox former producer alleging rampant sexism on the show, as he was fired. others suggested that emails from carlson deriving fo management, which had emerge in the dominion lawsuit, and perhaps other redacted one

were the last straw. but while both reasons may b true, they're not ne revelations. what does seem to change was the rate at which ruble rupert murdoch was making aggressiv moves on the fly so, for them, running down a few of them. last october, murdaugh announced a plan to merge ne scored and fox corporation, an then in january, he took tha back and in november, he asked th editor and chief of the wall street journal and then in march, he announce that he was getting married. and then in april, he announce that the engagement was called off. and then, later in april, afte fighting to go to trial with dominion voting systems, h abruptly reversed course and greenlit a massive 800 million dollar settlement with dominion and now, today, he has a abruptly pushed out tucker carlson, the highest rated hos on fox news. joining us now is pence met. he's editor and chief, and als former media columnist for the new york times he's covered this for a while, and his recent book is traffic genius rivalry and delusion in the billion dollar race to g viral. it comes out next week

that, it's nice to see you thanks for being here. >> nice to see you, rachel thanks for a head spinning day >> it has been a head spinning day. and in order to cope with it and get my show produced and o the air, i decided to stopping attention to all new developments, as soon as the sun got to a certain height in the sky today. so, first, let me just ask you if there's any reporting, an new important understandin about what actually is happene today. >> you know, the answer is basically no to that people around fox are puttin out, i'm sure people have seen those dominion filings, thes pages and pages with black marks lined out that underneat those redactions is somethin that really bothered fox management, maybe somethin really mean decorative sai about the bosses, somethin grotesquely sexist i mean, the problem isn't that tucker was, you know, kind o famous for attraction, dismissing his bosses fo years. and you could watch the show t see some sexism.

you could have lived through 1 million other scandals to se what his emails even looke like and fox has had those emails that they turned over to dominion for many, many months so, it is actually a littl unclear. >> let me ask you about, i mean, beyond whatever personally happened with this one fox employee, and whatever drama there is around him and hi show, i feel like the more important question for me, especially when i take a bigge view of this, looking at all the other people who even just in my time in the business hav come and gone in the conservative media is there any way to tell whether this is an important moment for us testing th strength of the fox news corporation? and indeed, the strength of th conservative media industry as a whole. is this kind of just the lates guy to be fired, and there wil be somebody new. or does this tell us something about what's going on in the business >> you know, actually, i disagree with what ron klain said before. i think, as you said, there' this incredible lineag starting with father coughlin. but they're not all the same there are different flavors. and, you know, if tucker was

donald trump, they're gonn replace him with ron desantis. i mean, tucker was really, kin of paranoid style that was focused lately on conspiracies involving the fbi in particular. it was inflaming racia tensions in a very specifi way. i think a lot of fox hosts are much more kind of regula republican partisans and that has often been th tradition. glenn beck who kind of went of the rails in tucker's direction, and i think the question i really interesting, who will they replace him, will i basically be a good republican soldier understands that base, or will it be somebody was trying to lead them in a new direction, which is what tucke carlson was trying to do >> ben smith, editor in chie at semafor as you say, still unfoldin story. the big story, and also th personal story here. that's for helping us this nice to see you. >> good to see you, rachel >> we'll be right back

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prosecutors today said the proud boys saw themselves as quote, trump's army. but that's just the beginning, as we are waiting for the jury to get that case, jury selection is about to star tomorrow in a whole differen case, a civil suit filed b writer e. jean carroll, wh accuses former president trump of raping her in the 1990s those allegations are gonna ge their day in court startin tomorrow, in addition to monetary damages from trump, miss carroll in the civil suit she wants him to retract his statement last year, denying that the rate occurred and, oh wait, there's more today, we got a striking set o letters from fani willis, yo know that name she is the district attorney i fulton county, georgia, who is investigating trump and others for their alleged attempts t overturn the 2020 election results in the state of georgia. look at this, district attorne willis sent letters like thi

one to various lot forsman agencies in fulton county today, basically giving them a head up, telling them to be ready for a possible indictment in this case. this summer. she says, quote, in the near future, i will announc charging decisions resulting from the investigation m office has been conducting int possible criminal interference in the administration of georgia 2020 general election. i am providing this letter t you to bring to your attention the need for heightene security and preparedness. quote, the announcement of decisions in this case may provoke a significant public reaction i will be announcing chargin decisions resulting from thi investigation during fulto county superior court's fourth term of court, which will begi july 11th, 2023, and conclud on september 1st please, except thi correspondence as notice t allow you sufficient time to prepare the sheriff's office and coordinate with local, state, and federal agencies to ensure that our law enforcemen community is ready to protec the public

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do it for us tonight i gotta tell you, now it i time for the last word, with lawrence o'donnell but, lawrence o'donnell, i lov him to death, lawrence turns out, he picked a very strang week to be out of the office but our friend ali velshi is entered tonight filling in for lawrence good evening, ali. good to see you. >> rachel, thank you it's good to see you and given the news you wer just talking about from fani willis in georgia, it may be time to start adjusting th rachel's gone fishing debates,

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