designed and signed the chips in science act. i asked the ceos this question, when the united states -- i really did, not a joke, i asked them, marty remembers -- i asked them, when the united states invests considerable resources in a new enterprise, in a new business, are they much more likely or less likely to get in the game and the answer is overwhelmingly yes, it matters they get in the game when the united states of america makes a judgment what they're going to invest in that's how we keep parts of our supply chain back to america like semiconductors. think about how many people had no idea what the heck a supply chain was. i'm serious. you said, two and a half years ago, the supply chain, people look at -- really bright people look at the -- yeah, the -- well, guess what

because of the pandemic, when factories shutdown in asia they had no idea they were supplying essential materials to us, shutdown around the world. these small computer chips, the size of your finger tip, they affect nearly everything in our lives. our cell phones. automobiles, refrigerators, weapons systems, everything. america invented these chips we made them smaller, faster and more powerful. but over time we went from producing 40% of the world's chips down to just 10% of them despite leading the world in research and design. you saw what happened during the pandemic when the global economy came to a halt overseas factories that made the chips shutdown driving up the costs for everyone around the world, particularly american families every new car built needs as

many as 3,000 of these chips during the pandemic, that's the reason car prices skyrocketed. and in some cases new car production shutdown because the chips were in short supply but now the private sector at home and abroad are investing over 400 billion in advanced manufacturing and clean energy here in america. [ cheers and applause >> it's not an exaggeration to say that's a scale never seen before in this nation. never seen before. it's transformative. one of the private companies investing is intel i visited what i call the field of dreams. about a thousand acres outside of columbus, ohio. where intel has committed $20 billion to build two new chip factories

they call them fabs. the size of football fields. they'll be a total of 10,000 jobs 7,000 construction jobs and 3,000 full-time workers in those fabs you know what the average salary in those fabs is going to be $130,000 union and you don't need a college degree. you don't need a college degree. [ cheers and applause it's about time. >> we see the same story not only in ohio, but new york, idaho, texas and places to come. this is real progress like we haven't seen before, but don't take my word from it

read headlines from left wing democratic papers like "the washington journal." "the washington journal" writing america is back in the factory business fortune magazine, biden's manufacturing push is working. the financial times, transformational change. biden's industrial policy begins to bear fruit. and "the new york times," make manufacturer greater again saying president biden appears to be presiding over the kind of manufacturing that trump had promised folks, we're not making this stuff up this is real it is time to finish the job finish the job [ applause ]

>> four more years four more years. four more years. four more years. >> thank you >> four more years. >> thank you folks, we got a lot more work to do i know folks are also struggling with inflation i grew up in a house when the price of gas went up at the gas station, it was talked about, you felt it in our house, for real many of you did as well. it's not just the united states' problem. it's a global problem. the first pandemic disrupted the supply chain, causing prices to rise across the board. putin's war in ukraine disrupted energy supplies and food supplies there's millions of tons of grain in ukraine they blocked access to the rest of the world through our policies, the pace of inflation has been coming down now for nine months in a row but there's more to go it's slow by 45% but we have

more to do the way i think about it is the way my dad used to talk about it around the table, i mean it sincerely, how much is left at the end of the month when the total income you have to pay after you pay all your bills of every kind, how much is left is there any breathing room left well, we brought down inflation but there's other prices to bring down that aren't categorized that way that's why i signed and wrote the inflation reduction act. because there's more twhaun way to bring down costs to families. for example, americans, this is not like -- this is a fact americans pay more for prescription drugs than any advanced country on earth. for the same exact drug. a drug made in america sold in england, france, canada.

it's cheaper than the drug sold here, made here. i've been fighting pharma, big pharma, to allow medicare to be able to negotiate prices for a long time. these pharmaceutical companies, well, we finally beat big pharma >> they're still going to do very well. but we got it done, to my surprise, without a single republican vote. i don't know where the heck these guys live. i really mean this it surprised me. i've had more than a half dozen republicans i used to serve in the senate, come up to me -- i gave my word i would never say who they are, and i never will -- joe i agree with you, if i do this i'll lose the primary.

not a profile in courage but acknowledgement. it's going to have a profound impact on people's cost of living how many of you know someone with diabetes, raise your hand one in ten americans has diabetes millions of these diabetes patients need insulin to stay alive, no joke it's been around for 100 years, the guy who invented it wouldn't put a pat tent on it because he wanted it to be available to everybody. it costs drug companies $10 a vile to make they've been charging hundreds of dollars, three, four, five, $600 a month for the same exact product and if you know somebody who's on it you know it's true and they've been making record profits, but not anymore fo

folks, the law we passed capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors on medicare. now guess what, that is 300 some percent increase in what it cost them to do it. it's not like they're being cheated. 35 bucks for something that costs you 10 to make at the time i did it i included everybody not just folks on medicare but we didn't get the votes. we lost a couple democratic votes. we didn't get it for everybody only seniors i'm coming back to make sure every single american who needs it only has to pay $35 everyone [ applause ] >> look, you folks are -- i'm

not trying to be nice to you you folks are really important in getting the message out just like you know there's well over a trillion dollars for the hole infrastructure law. it takes a while to get it out, get it started, get the projects moving it takes time. well, the same way with dealing with the drug companies. folks, the law that's the law now passed although republicans want to get rid of it and the new speaker of the house thinks it's not necessary by the way -- by the way, by the way, the fact is that this law on prescription drugs saves the government, saves the government $168 billion it doesn't cost the government it saves them. instead of having to pay out for

the drug in medicare, they don't have to pay that price they pay the rational price. it's saving the taxpayers money and saving lives next year, the law i passed is going to cap out of pocket costs for seniors on medicare. a lot of you know people, i did too, who need cancer drugs and drugs for serious illness that can be 10, 12, 14, $16,000 a year well, next year, next year the law we already passed, it doesn't kick in until next year, next january, the most they ever have to pay no matter what their costs are is $3,500 a year for drug costs by the way, the following year, the law requires it be capped at $2,000 so even expensive cancer drugs

that literally cost up to 13, 14, $15,000 a year, can't be charged more than 2,000 total. it's going to be a game changer. it's going to save people's lives. but think of a lot of you like me, i have lost families to cancer children mothers, fathers you know what it's going to do this is saving lives it's going to give people some peace of mind. how many of you know your mom or dad didn't want to tell you what they needed. didn't want to tell you how much it was going to cost didn't want to tell you in order to do it they have to sell the house. didn't want to say anything. because back to maybe i -- it's all about dig nity it really is about people's dignity. inflation reduction act also

makes the most significant investment in dealing with climate change not only here in america, but anywhere in the world. in the history of the world. it's creating tens of thousands of good paying jobs. it offers working families a thousand dollars of year in rebates if they buy energy efficiency appliances, weather-ize their homes. it offers tax credits for heat solar. for new electric vehicles. guess who's going to install those 5,000 charging stations? the ibew you are. and by the way, when you do, think about it this way. my grand pop who i never met he died in the same hospital i

was born in two weeks before i was born but my grand pop was from, as they say in maryland from baltimore. and he worked for the american oil company. and his job was to open up new gas stations around the country back in in the '20s and '30s and guess what, people didn't want those gas stations because they didn't want those how many thousands of gallons of oil sitting below the surface of my neighborhood, they didn't want that but then it's built, what happens? you have a drugstore, a coffee shop, it generates growth. you're going to be building the roads and the highways and bridges to get to these places, labor, iron workers, steelworkers, women and men right here in the room almost all investments requires

employers to pay prevailing wage [ applause ] >> folks, again, this is truly to my surprise not a single republican voted for the law and now they want to repeal uhuge parts of it, including the clean energy job and union jobs. if it weren't so prevalent around the -- in the news, you'd probably think i'm making it up. it's hard to make up we made all this progress while being fiscally responsible let me be clear, in my administration, no one, no one, earning less than $400,000 a year will see their taxes go up a single solitary penny. no one 'cause i don't want any excuses. as a matter of fact, my first two years in office i've lowered

the deficit by a record $1.7 trillion. lowered the deficit, the debt. simple reason for that we thought maybe people should start paying their fair share. inflation reduction act is going to bring down hundreds of billions more in decades ahead bring the cost down. we're doing it by making the biggest corporations just begin to pay part of their fair share. just pay your fair share pay at least something no true let me ask you this, anyone in this room think the existing tax system is fair >> no! >> you got it, man >> tired of hearing me talk about it but in 2020, 55 of the

fortune 500 companies paid zero in taxes with income profit of $40 billion. paid zero. and people thought i was exaggerating or they just didn't think it true. but it's wrong to have that occur. so i instituted a horrible tax on these guys. 15%. that's less than y'all pay and guess what i've also proposed we now have it gone from 700 billionaires since the pandemic to about 1,000 billionaires in america. you know how much their average tax is e-i-g-h-t, 8%. i think there should be a minimum tax for billionaires no billionaire should be paying a lower tax rate than a construction worker, a schoolteacher, firefighter, cop,

nurse. i mean it. it's wrong it's simply wrong. if you didn't live through this, you would think i was making it up meanwhile, guess what my maga republican friends in p congress are up to. the speaker of the house went to wall street last week, cut discretionary spending by 22%, including ones i just named. programs, millions of middle class count on at the same time they're pushing tax giveaways for the wealthiest americans and biggest corporations they'd rather see kids and seniors struggle for what they

need people on medicaid lose their health care. veterans lose access to doctor's visits that's part of it, by the way, not a joke and cut subsidies to big oil that made $200 billion and big pharma, the wealthiest corporations i'm not even talking about raising taxes, just stop the subsidies. the same old trickle down dressed up in maga clothing. only worse because this time they're saying if they get their way, they will let the -- if they don't get the way, if biden doesn't agree to them, agree to cuts and these tax increases for others, working people, they're going to let the country default on its debt. this is a debt that took over 200 years to accumulate. the last administration alone increased the debt by nearly 40% in four years. and every single time they

passed the debt ceiling without any question default would be totally irresponsible. it would mean cuts in social security, medicare, higher rates for your car loans, mortgages. the entire economy put at risk moodies, the economic operation that comments on the economy, they said that the republican plan would cost us 780,000 jobs. 780,000 jobs working and middle class seniors paying the price the speaker likes to quote president reagan i love these guys how they selectively quote people including make up quotes for me. well, president reagan made it clear we pay our debts here's his quote from him. he said the united states has a special responsibility to itself

and to the world to meet its obligations. it means we have a reputation for reliability and credibility. two things that set us apart from much of the world i never thought i'd quote donald trump but even donald trump said i can't imagine anyone ever thinking of using the debt ceiling as a negotiating wedge these guys are saying unless i agree to cut these programs by 20%, which is growing the economy, and cut taxes for the super wealthy and corporations, folks america is not a deadbeat corporation. we pay our bills let me close with this, i'm taking too much of your time there are a lot of folks who look at the world and our economy through the eyes of wall street i'm not one of them. i'm not saying everyone on wall

street are bad guys. that's not how i look at the world. i look at the eyes through scranton and claymont, delaware where i grew up. the eyes of my dad through the eyes of people like you who have been able to make it because you're union. the exfretremists and the forme president and maga are cut from a different cloth. they treat these folks and they think they're a threat they think that somehow we're going to go back the threat that maga proposes takes us to a play we've never been look how hard we had to fight to get prevailing wage, project labor agreements, health care. we had to fight like hell.

and folks, we made a lot of progress because of all of you but there's more to do so let's finish the job. it's never been a good bet to bet against america and i've never been more optimistic about america's future we're on the cusp of change, creating jobs again, manufacturing has come alive again. people can afford decent health care towns left forgotten are coming alive again because of you all and what we're doing now we have to keep it going finish the job remember who we are. we are the united states of america. there's nothing, nothing if we work together. god bless you all and may god protect our troops thank you thank you thank you.

president biden continuing his campaign for president with union members. hitting on familiar economic themes for 2024, pouring a full 50 years of political skill, savvy into one final campaign to hold onto the job he always wanted a presidential re-election run he's framing in climatic terms as a soul for the nation. >> i ran for president to rebuild the backbone of america, the middle class, grow the economy from the middle out and the bottom up not the top down when the middle class does well the poor ladder up and the wealthy still do very well you don't have to worry about them we all do well that's a clear contrast to the other side >> with that, president biden and the democratic party are trying to defy the polls and pervasive pes schism about the

economy. instead betting that a majority of voters will choose him as the steady hand at the wheel and the antidote to the maga threat. i want to bring in mike memoli just getting geared up jonathan lemire, host of "way too early" cornell bellcher. both are political analysts. matthew dowd is msnbc's senior political analysts you've seen a lot of political speeches and kickoffs in your time tell me what you think about that speech and what it tells us about joe biden and how he's going to run this final campaign >> the argument from president biden is that the nation should stay the course. finish the job has become the -- at least so far, the unofficial slogan of the campaign this is not an official campaign speech just yet those are coming

soon his team has telegraphed in the wake of his announcement which he did by video early this morning that it's going to be slow to ramp up the full-on general election campaign. by kicking off today he can start raising money, which is extraordinarily important for what will be a very expensive general election campaign. and the arguments there are the progress the nation has made under his watch. in terms of growing the economy, growing jobs he touted a lot of legislation his presidency has past this point, some bipartisan, some democrats only and, of course, looming over all of this is the threat to democracy that donald trump and his followers still poise. and that more than anything is president biden's argument here. he said the nation has healed some since trump's divisive presidency but there's a ways to go the democracy is still at sake and his aids argue he's the one

man who can do it, defeat trump again and voters will set aside concerns about his age or his poll numbers and reimbrace him for four years. >> you've run a couple of campaigns so you have expertise in this although maybe it's not an official campaign speech, joe biden is acting like a candidate and that was classic joe biden so step back for a minute. assess as you watch that his strength and weaknesses as a candidate. >> it's -- so i would say the video he put out this morning i think was dead on, what was very strategic and very good. i think that's the message they need to run with that's the message i assume they're going to run with, which is basically the democracy is on the line and our freedoms are on the line and extremism is coming from the other side and we need to defeat it i think this speech was particular to this audience of building and trade unions where he went on defensive

infrastructure and defense of the economy. i think his weakness has been demonstrated in the 2022 which was don't run on the economy. i mean, do the points that you know have been successful but it's a vulnerability and when you're a political campaign to have success you don't run on your vulnerability we have test cases of what works. in 2022, the candidates in swing states who ran on democracy and freedoms nearly all won. the candidates in swing states who tried to thread the needle on economy by and large lost i think his video was better than this speech but i think this speech was designed for a particular audience. i would go back to his company to the message in his video about democracy and freedoms at stake. >> since you brought it up, let me play a little bit from that video that was released at 6:00, bright and early, this morning just as jonathan was getting off the air. take a listen. >> the question we're facing is

whether the years ahead we have more freedom or less freedom more rights or fewer i know what i want the answer to be and i think you do, too this is not a time to be complacent that's why i'm running for re-election. >> cornell, i wonder what you made of that video and as a pollster when you look at that, you know what the polls say, you know he's under water, people are worried about his age, the economy is there something there or something in him you think outside maybe the traditional polling that suggests, that captures joe biden that gives him and his team reason to believe the polls aren't as bad as they look >> well, let's level on the polls for a moment we're a long way out from the election and the dynamics of the race haven't begun really to unfold and people have amnesia. but i worked on both obama

campaigns and i can tell you, going into 2012 it wasn't like barack obama had a 52, 53% job approval in many ways his approval was also underwater at this time going into his re-election so i think too often we focus too much on the job approval in a polarized time i don't think you'll ever see a president hold and sustain over any long period of time a 51, 52 job approval just because of the polarization now, that said -- i also think this is this is blas fa my for an obama guy i think the president is in a better position. why do i say that? remember that obama's key legislative achievement was under water. you have biden with several big pieces of legislation that are remarkably popular across the country. so he has legislation to point

back on, quite frankly, to say look if this is a referendum on me i think i've done the work, past the legislation done the work for the american people and the contrast is remarkably strong contrast because it is a strong contrast and immobilizing the young voters, voters of colors into a fight for freedom. regardless of what you think of joe biden being too old you can rally the base of the democratic party if it's a fight for freedom. >> let's say you can put that aside, put aside his age and he projects as someone who still has the energy, the intellect. there is the issue of how people feel around the kitchen table when they sit down to pay their bills. mike, you wrote an article arguing this campaign is going to put the president's economic vision to the test but listen to this from today.

>> four more years four more years. four more years. four more years. four more years. four more years. >> thank you >> so he got a lot of applause, let's not kid ourselves this is a friendly audience speaking to the converted, gave them a lot of praise, friendly audience but is there any talk about offering skeptical voters and there are a lot of them, offering them something different this time around compared to the last campaign? >> well, one of the things as i talked to a number of biden advisers ahead of his re-election announcement they think has always been underappreciated about president biden is the way in which he's focused on the middle class message, a message he felt his party strayed away from. i spoke to him after hillary clinton's defeat and he thought

there was elitism creeping into democratic thinking. so you heard the rights, the democracy, the freedom case, the soul of america being at stake but the economic argument you heard president biden deliver to y union workers they think it was successful in 2020 that's where he was able to rebuild the blue wall you heard the president talk about the base of his accomplishments, the chips build, infrastructure law, inflation reduction act. that's translating his world class vision into tangible visits for people. he's not done yet. every time he's run a campaign with joe biden, it's about what's coming next you heard the president say he's going to be building on the success with other economic initiatives including building on medicaid expansion, tuition for community college. in addition to making this middle class argument, in

addition to making the maga argument to voters he's talking about tangible things he wants to run on. >> i think i heard in there a call to the folks to help with the ground game, a little grass roots appeal there as well something that audience knows well having said that, take us inside the campaign for a minute. what are you hearing what worries them most >> well, i think as others have outlined the economy is the vulnerability here to be fair, no in coming president does well for a re-election bid if the economy were to go south there's good numbers here. job growth is one of the first and foremost the biden team points to. inflation though it's dropped is still high there are still fears of a recession. still a strain on the global economy put in place by the war in ukraine there is the economy, the president's age and his advisers

know that but that's less of an issue if he squares off against donald trump who's only a couple years younger than joe biden they think that's what this race is about biden remains the person who has beaten trump before and can do it again they like the chances in the rematch, they believe biden in particular is the democrat who speaks to the sliver of independent swing voters and the democrats who broke for trump back in 2016 and gave him the presidency by the slimmest of margins, a lot of voters broke back away from trump in 2020 and broke the blue wall of states. and white house aids i spoke to say they have a hard time imagining short of an economic calamity many of the voters would go back to trump how has trump made an argument to win them back when he's presided over an insurrection and refusing to acknowledge his

defeat in 2020, and they believe that president biden has the record and the temperament and the leadership ability including on the world stage they feel he is still the best possible choice that video today featured prominently the vice president, kamala harris, putting to rest any talk that she might have been dropped from the ticket but more than that an acknowledgement that she is first of all a strong voice particularly on abortion rights which is going to be so key to the 2024 race. but also an acknowledgement that the vice president is going to play a central role in time around in this election. republicans started to sharpen their attacks, the vice president one heartbeat away from the oval office is going to be a key factor this time around. >> no doubt the fact there's a message there worried about a president who's going to be 84, 85, 86 years old in the office, there's somebody up to the job waiting in the wings

thank you all for sticking around through the speech. we appreciate it matthew you're staying with us as joe biden launches his re-election bid, trump's legal troubles mount a civil case accusing him of rape is starting here in new york we're back in 60 seconds [sfx: stomach gurgling] it's nothing... sounds like something. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief... when you need it most. hey, man. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance. so you only pay for what you need! whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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>> reporter: well, we have a jury and that happened relatively quickly because the process just started this morning and it took just a matter of hours to get the nine jurors the judge told them and the potential pool of jurors the whole trial would last anywhere from 5 to 10 days. he's trying to move things along quickly. the jury is going to be anonymous. not sequestered but anonymous. he said don't even use your own name talking to each other if you're jim be bill for the week or something to that effect he's trying to assure them they're going to be protected, their privacy will be protected because he anticipates, the judge, a lot of media attention to this trial. several interesting things the jurors were asked when they were a pool they were asked if they thought the 2020 election was stolen none did they wrote a statement to whether the victim of sexual

assault has to prove what happened with evidence and they all greed the victim does not. and no one said the fact that carol brought this case some 20 years later makes her less credible that seems to help her case. if they answered the other way it would have been a more difficult thing. bottom line this afternoon we expect now that opening arguments will begin, this is usually the lunch hour we're not sure of the schedule we expect e. jean carol to take the witness stand. we believe her side is going to call two friends she told about the incident when it happened in the 1990s and one or two other women who made similar allegations against donald trump of alleged sexual assault that he denies. they are going to be brought on to show there's a pattern of behavior over a period of time something we've seen in other cases like this during -- in

this -- well, this post me too movement, era. on the trump side we don't know what witnesses he's going to call we know he has submitted or filed a deposition he was questioned about the case some time ago. the jury will see that we do not expect to see the former president here himself at all, though. he's not forced to come here, not compelled to come here >> if you have a judge saying your name is joe or jim, be bill we understand the high profile nature of this and the concern they have around the security of those folks or themselves. so that was addressed. in terms of the jury itself we tend to think there's a different set of rules if you are doing the jury selection if there's a high profile defendant what do you imagine that looked like are you surprised at all it happened quickly >> i'm surprised it happened just in a morning. it's aping the reasons the judge

ordered the jurors to become anonymous. he specifically mentioned the concern that ms. carroll could be targeted by trump supporters and looking at the questions trump lawyers wanted to ask of potential jurors they're about social issues in addition to the facts of this case like do you think the me too movement has gone too far. trump's lawyers wanted the potential jurors to be asked whether they heard about the hashtag believe women, do you agree with it? a lot of the case will come down to whether the jurors believe ms. carroll, the defense is focussing on the fact there's no eyewitnesses, no video she does have two friends who she said she told about these allegations immediately. the defense will harp on,s in 30 years later. why did it take so long to bring charges? >> as ron just said so we'll go

quickly to opening arguments this is a civil case, not a criminal one so does that make the lay of the land different and what are you expecting in these opening arguments? >> that's right. it's a civil case. so defendants are not required to attend civil trials trumps lawyers have said they probably will not call him to testify on his own behalf. ms. carroll's lawyers want to use trump's deposition testimony so they're unlikely to call him as well. the plaintiff, ms. carroll will lay out the evidence she's suing based on this new york statute that allows people who were sexually assaulted to bring charges way after the statute has expired and she's also suing for defamation. so she's going to say that trump raped her and then lied about her. when you look at the ways that she says this, she's experienced this trauma over the last 30

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today a seismic shift in the media landscape threatens the 2024 election. tucker carlson an avid conspiracy theorist and pillar of the maga movement is gone, though not silenced. the mantra among his supporters summed by kari lake, you're free and uncensored, a sentiment

shared by marjorie taylor greene, comparing him being let go to the time she was kicked off the political assignments. the unanswered question is, where will carlson take his megaphone and could he decide to run against donald trump mat matthew dowd is back with us let's get the first thing out of the way. do you think there's any chance that tucker carlson runs for president? >> yes, i do, actually >> really? you're the person i talked to that thinks that's a possibility, tell me why. >> do i think it's a probability, probably not. i think it's a possibility and a number of people are probably going to him suggesting it he has as great a name id as trump or ron desantis or anyone else as high as poz sieve ratings as anybody in the republican primary right now.

he's been the voice of this nationalistic white supremacist movement that has infiltrated the republican party he's good on television. he can speak the language of the republican primary vote ers. i think if he got in the race he would go to if not third, second in the poles, way ahead of people like nikki haley and anybody else who would have to drop out i don't think it's a probability but i think it's a possibility >> really quick, could he beat donald trump >> that's a whole other question i think it's -- we don't know how tucker carlson, you know, there's a difference as you know full well between sitting in a studio and conveying something and then having to audience and getting feedback, constant feedback in that and then going one-on-one with somebody in a debate where you're confronted. his press won't be as friendly so we don't know how the bright lights will reflect on him if he

was to get in the race so i don't know in that regard because he's untested in that, but he would be formidable my guess is donald trump would fear tucker carlson more as a challenger than he fears ron de desantis. >> let's talk about consideration of the ways carlson's exit will affect the spread of misinformation "the new york times" shared a quote from gender equity advocate bridget todd who called tucker one of the nation's most prolific mouthpieces for white supremacy, misinformation and misogyny what does is exit do potentially to let's call it the misinformation industrial complex? >> well, you know, i thought about this when i heard it i was surprised fox news cut tucker carlson in this because he was their mainstay and their biggest generator of revenue, but they obviously thought there was a bigger downside to keeping him in this. i think so many people on the democratic side and people

wanted -- that wanted fox news to have to do an apology in the dominion lawsuit, my view is that they are much better off with no apology and tucker carlson gone than if they had got an apology and tucker carlson was still there. he was -- as your lead-in into this, he was a huge purveyor of the lies and conspiracy theories and all of the things that have divided this country he was the main proponent of all those things him being gone from the air waves i think is a very good thing for our democracy. it's not the end of the problem, but it is a main part of the problem removed. >> let me ask you finally, is it also possible that he just fades into obscurity glenn beck, bill o'reilly, megyn kelly never got anywhere near where they were pre-firing, leaving from fox >> well, they have never gotten where they were but they have all tried to keep an audience and keep doing things.

i view many of these people like athletes that don't know when to quit even though they have been hit in the head 100 times, whether it's a boxer or football player, they keep playing because they like the limelight and like the jeers my guess is tucker carlson will find a place to land, whether that's in politics or somewhere in media because i don't think he can give up on the adrenaline rush he gets from what he gets out of being in the limelight. >> matthew dowd, always great to have you on, appreciate it what an interesting time to have conversations, isn't it. well, a race to escape is under way in sudan as the feuding armies agree to a 72-hour cease-fire but then accuse each other of violating that truce now, for the millions trapped in the capital, the urgency to get out is at a new high after countries from around the world evacuated their diplomatic staffs but left many civilians in the crossfire that exodus playing out as the world health organization warns of a growing risk of a biological hazard after one of the warring armies seized a key

national laboratory. courtney kube is following off of this for us this time yesterday u.s. officials were saying it was too dangerous to try to escape is that the case is that what they still think? >> so they are trying to help some americans who may be trying to escape. we've seen so far at least one time where the u.s. military has put up drones to escort a convoy to drive all the way from khartoum to port sudan, like a 15-hour drive. it was so long they had to overnight on the way there but the u.s. drones were overhead the whole time with the idea that they would be able to have a safe passage on that jou journey. we may see more of those situations going forward at this point all we heard about was the one u.n. convoy. there were some american citizens inside some of those vehicles, but the u.s. is saying they are hoping they'll be able to facilitate some americans getting out. that being said, there is still no talk of any larger scale

evacuation as we've been saying, there's believed to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 16,000 americans, many of them dual nationals, in sudan right now. what's still really unclear, chris, is how many of those people actually want to get out of the country right now the number is in the hundreds is all we know. but even as the violence has been raging on for days now, it still doesn't seem like all of those 16,000 or even the majority of them are even trying to get out the u.s. is saying at this point they still have no indication they'll need to have a larger scale evacuation all that said, the u.s. military is prepared and continuing to prepare if there's a larger scale evacuation we've seen some video and still photos there's at least one u.s. navy ship that's off the coast of port sudan in the red sea and another ship on its way there, the uss puller that's a ship that if called upon to do so could load hundreds of civilians onboard to get them out of the area if

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