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out. joe biden is running and with donald trump leading the gop field, it seems ever more likely that the country will get exactly what it doesn't want, 2022 deja vu both men have dicey approval numbers. but when it comes to who americans would rather see in office, a majority of voters have repeatedly shown a distaste for trump-style drama, which makes the news today that was not about joe biden perhaps even more beneficial for democrats than anything the president could have announced earlier in new york, the civil lawsuit brought by writer e. jean carroll against donald trump has officially begun we have new details on who was picked for the jury today and what lawyers for both sides will argue in their openings, which should start in just a moment. and in georgia, we finally got an idea of what imminent means from the fulton county d.a. fani willis says a decision on whether to charge donald trump

will be announced as soon as july remember, he's already been indicted for falsifying business records regarding stormy daniels in manhattan, and he faces two more potential indictments from the special counsel. trump's team says all of the heat only makes him stronger, but we will ask the question of somebody who knows, does it? joining me now from atlanta, nbc news correspondent blayne alexander. outside the u.s. district court in new york city, nbc news correspondent ron allen. so, ron, openings are about to begin there in the e. jean carroll case remind us what it's about and tell us who's been picked for the jury >> reporter: it's a jury of nine, six men, three women it happened very quickly this morning over a matter of hours the case goes back to the mid-1990s when e. jean carroll, a writer, columnist, author, claims that she met donald trump or ran into him at a department

store here in manhattan, bergdorf goodman's she claims that they knew each other, that they had a conversation and that he offered -- he asked her to help him select a gift for a woman. they went up to the lingerie department in the store and that's where she says that he forced himself on her, raped her in a dressing room something that the former president has denied repeatedly. he says that he doesn't even know who this woman is he says the whole thing has been a hoax now, she didn't file a lawsuit initially, she never called the police back then, saying that she thought that donald trump would destroy her career but in subsequent years and 17 the me too movement, she decided it was time to step up and there was a change in the laws here in new york that allowed victims, survivors of sexual assault, to bring cases, historic cases to court during a limited window. she fought for that law and was

one of the first to file under it that's what brings us here today. it is a civil case in federal court. it is not just a rape allegation but also a defamation allegation she's seeking damages. this is not a criminal proceeding so there's no chance of jail time if donald trump -- the jury does not find for him but of course it's a hugely potentially embarrassing situation for the former president. we expect to hear from carroll herself on the witness stand we also expect to hear from two women who she says she told about this incident when it happened back in the 1990s again, she did not report it to police we also expect to hear from a number of other women who claim that donald trump assaulted them in similar ways. he's not charged in those cases, but those are cases that the carroll's attorneys are fighting to let the jury hear to try to establish there's a pattern here so again, any moment now opening arguments are expected to begin. we expect this trial to last

anywhere from a week or two. one other interesting note, jurors are going to remain anonymous throughout the proceeding, not sequestered but anonymous. the judge is concerned about their personal safety, concerned about threats, concerned about efforts to harass or intimidate them given the climate of what's been happening around not just this case but other criminal cases donald trump faces which is happening down the street. >> this is a federal civil case. if e. jean carroll wins this, what happens to donald trump what's he faced with >> reporter: she's seeking unspecified damages, probably in the tens of millions of dollars. that's what this is about. again, it is not a criminal case so there is no potential criminal guilt or innocence that a jury will decide there's no possibility of him being put on a sexual offenders list or something like this which can happen in a criminal

proceeding so again it's a civil matter there's another defamation case pending against him that carroll brought based on other allegations that donald trump has made these two have been going after each other for quite some time again, the case dates back to the mid-1990s. >> so bear with us because these cases are not at all similar let's go to georgia and talk about what fani willis said today. earlier in january, blayne, she talked about how the charging decision regarding donald trump could come -- was going to come imminently we have been waiting for a while. now she's pushing that back to the summer remind us what he's facing there. an do you have any indication on why -- on whether imminent meant earlier and there was some sort of mind change in the past couple of weeks, past couple of months that meant that this got pushed back? >> reporter: katy, if there's anything we've learned since january i think it's the fact that imminent means different things to different people we've been talking with our sources about that, about what

does imminent mean now we have some sort of a time frame. july 11th to september 1st this is by far the clearest indication of any sort of time frame we've gotten from the fulton county district attorney. we certainly know -- why the delay you ask. it's a very good indication that she still has work to do as reasonly as two weeks ago, attorneys from her staff were having conversations with at least two of georgia's fake electors and the topic of immunity came up that's according to a filing from the district attorney's office very recently the special grand jury were the ones who had the subpoena power to bring in documents. they likely still have to pore over those documents and read through those documents. now, as for what he's facing here, a very different case than what ron was talking about there. here district attorney fani willis is looking into possible criminal election meddling here in the state of georgia. this started with that phone call that the now former president made to georgia's

secretary of state but since then, it has certainly widened into a number of different things, including the breach of voting machines down in rural county, to georgia's fake electors and a number of other things i will say this, though. it's certainly notable having covered this and watched it for the better part of a year, more than a year, the fact that she is asking about security the fact that she is already raising the flag about security a full two plus months before she expects to announce those charmingin charging decisions is notable and is the clearest indication we've got about what we could possibly expect when it comes to her charging decisions and the level of people that she may be preparing charges against, katy. >> blayne, ron, thank you very much by the way, the jury was just sworn in in the carroll case so opening arguments will begin any moment now also joining me is former senior member of the mueller probe, nbc legal analyst andrew weissmann

let's start where blayne left off. she's asking for heightened security and preparedness. the fact that the e. jean carroll jury is anonymous. what does this say about putting donald trump on trial? >> well, what's remarkable is it's not unheard of in gang cases, organized crime cases, which are criminal matters, to have an anonymous and even a sequestered jury it is highly unusual to have that in a civil case i can't think of a civil case where that has happened. but judge kaplan made that decision prior to alvin bragg bringing his criminal case since that time the former president has made all sorts of outlandish statements about prosecutors, judges, their families, and so what he was trying to do was get ahead of that issue to make sure that

jurors don't feel intimidated one way or the other and can just vote their conscience as they're required to do following the facts and the law. and i think, though, it is a sign that this is a judicial system that is used to and has handled these kinds of cases obviously no one has ever been in this particular position before terrorists have been tried, organized crime figures that have been tried, people that are public officials have been tried and judges have the tools to make sure that both the defendant and the government receive a fair trial. >> lots of people are going to read into the heightened security and preparedness that fani willis is asking for and maybe make the assumption that she is preparing charges for donald trump we haven't seen any, obviously, we have no idea what she's going to do and we have no idea what she will charge if she does ending up charging the

specifics. but in the broad sense of it if you're looking at what's out there potentially for donald trump to face, what are the potential charges and what could he face if he's convicted? >> so i have to say i'm in the camp of tea leaf readers who think that you don't issue a statement like that if you are not thinking of charging and you're not thinking of charging the president. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. on the other hand, she absolutely hasn't said that. it is a leap of faith and so we do have to wait to see what happens. the charges can be all sorts of things the biggest potential charge is a georgia rico charge. i think it is worth noting that people go to jailfor that. just think about the seriousness of a rico charge but also undermining an election is obviously an incredibly serious charge i do not think it is the case

that if you have secret service protection you will never go to jail there are lots of people who are in witness protection who are protected in federal and state prisons. so if there are charges against donald trump and if he was to be convicted, those are two big ifs, he could face significant jail time. it's worth remembering that a federal pardon would not apply to those state charges. >> and explain what a rico charge is, again >> yes, sorry. this is me in my whole legal nerd mode. the best way to think of a rico charge, it's a fancy term for conspiracy and it's made up of component parts. so you can have all sorts of individual charges that are part of an enterprise, that are part of a group so it's used typically in organized crime cases to say this is the gambino family and they have engaged in extortion, loan sharking, assaults, bid

rigging, all sorts of what are called predicate crimes. and so in georgia, they have a version of that federal statute that allows you to charge various individual crimes as part of that overarching conspiracy. >> andrew weissmann, thank you very much. we have you on for your legal nerdery, appreciate it. closing arguments are under way in the proud boys trial. who the defense is actually blaming for the insurrection. plus, we told you why 2020 deja vu may be the best case for president biden in 2024, but what about congress? what does a trump/biden rematch do to the makeup of congress and what's next for fox news is the tucker firing a warning shot for the other hosts we're back in 60 seconds introducing astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid-free spray. while flonase takes hours,

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it's not the proud boys, it's donald trump. the defense team for enrique tarrio and other members of the far extremist group say they are not to blame for what happened at the capitol it was the former president who said fight like hell or they weren't going to have a country anymore. tarrio is being scapegoated. he couldn't have predicted what would happen enrique was an entertainer, a lover, a razzle dazzler. but if convicted, he could face 20 years in prison joining me is justice reporter ryan riley we just talked about the potential consequences that could be out there for donald trump regarding 2020 these are the consequences that some are facing who actually were involved in the insurrection what's the latest from this trial, from these closing arguments? >> well, you know, after more than three months of the trial

here, three months since opening arguments, we're finally getting to the end stages of this procedure. the government is going to have their rebuttal they'll be under way with that very shortly and then you're going to have this case turned over to the jury when you're considering that much evidence, that could take a while. i think friday would be my earliest guess for when they would potentially come back with a verdict. in the oath keepers case we saw a few months ago, that was a very complicated case. jurors took a little while with the evidence to go over. i think what the defense is trying to do here is perhaps play to what they think are d.c. jurors' sympathies obviously d.c. voters are no huge fans of donald trump necessarily, so that's one of the strategies that they're using here, saying that donald trump was the one to blame for what happened than the proud boys were, downplaying a lot of the evidence but there is a lot of video evidence this is one of the most recorded crimes in american history, captured from multiple angles.

it's almost if you're watching an nfl game and you can zoom around and see things from different angles but this is something that i think the government can really point to and say, look, here's the evidence, here's what happened, here's all the text messages and messages they put on an encrypted app they thought was secret and never thought anyone would see look, this is what this is about, this is a conspiracy. even if they didn't plan ahead of time to storm the u.s. capitol, they had a criminal conspiracy together to stop the peaceful transfer of power, katy. >> when his lawyer describes him as a razzle dazzler and entertainer, what's he meaning >> it's like trying to keep up with the number of girl frfrien that enrique tarrio has. you know, he was basically trying to say this was all about the show

that he wanted attention, that he was -- they made the point that he was 50 miles away in baltimore when the actual attack on the capitol happened and that he wasn't nostradamus. he wasn't able to predict the future that doesn't explain some of the celebrations and credit that enrique tarrio tried to take with the proud boys afterwards so that's a hurdle they'll have to get over. >> ryan, thank you very much. coming up, what did tucker carlson do to get fired before he could even say good-bye first, though, we are live in wisconsin. it's one of the small handful of states that's going to end up deciding the next election is there anyone there that is changing their mind about who they will vote for this time around our expe get started today with verizon business.

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president biden is trying to exploit what the republican party as a whole has been prioritizing for the past four years. joining me from madison, wisconsin, is nbc news correspondent shaquille brewster also with me is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. shaq, i'm going to throw to the sound that you've gathered in wisconsin because i'd like to hear what these voters have to say about donald trump -- i'm sorry, about joe biden let's listen >> i'm disappointed. >> why >> because of his age. i really wanted a progressive, younger democrat to go for it. >> explain that concern about his age because that's of course something that he can't control. >> no, he can't. but i'm 82, he's 82. hey, you could drop any day, let me tell you. >> i don't know if like he'll be completely capable with his next term, but we'll see. >> despite your concerns about his age, in november 2024, would

you support him? >> i would support him, yes. i vote democrat. >> i don't mind his ge, though it does cause some problems maybe. we don't know. >> i'm sorry i pulled an audible on that, but i think those interviews are so interesting. the question i want to get at is what the woman answered there. yes, there are these concerns about joe biden. you can say, yes, there are concerns about donald trump on the right. my question is does that mean they're not going to go out and vote, or does it mean they would vote for somebody else would they vote for a third-party candidate or would they change their vote and vote for the oppositional candidate would they vote for donald trump after voting for joe biden or vote for joe biden after voting for donald trump >> katy, my big takeaway is no one is surprised joe biden is running for re-election. number two, no matter where you fall, even if you voted for trump or voted for biden, most

people are sticking with their 2020 plan and posture. if they voted for biden, they're sticking with him this time around the third thing is, yes, there is a genuine concern among all voters about president biden's age, at least those that i talked to here but the distinction is, and specifically with democratic voters, the distinction is that doesn't mean they're going to vote for a republican instead of president biden. every voter that i talked to, they mentioned his age unprompted i said did you hear the news they said yes. what did you think they had a concern about his age. none of them said they would not support him if it was president trump or nikki haley or ron desantis that is the bottom line you're hearing from people. the reason why that's important in a place like wisconsin, yes, wisconsin is a purple state, a battleground state, but here in madison it's about the

enthusiasm who's going to turn out for democrats and who's going to turn out for republicans it seems that democrats are still motivated by the potential of a former president trump on the ballot even if they have genuine concerns about joe biden's age. >> let's talk, vaughn, about donald trump, also older, although you don't hear as much about his age when you're asking voters about him, you hear about other things how does president donald trump feel about going up against joe biden again potentially, and why does he think that this time around will be different >> right i think we had sort of a proxy war in 2022 in the midterm elections. donald trump can't say he was a part of the midterms he made himself part of it he went on the stump from arizona to wisconsin to michigan to pennsylvania to ohio. he made the midterms about himself for the purposes of being able to make the argument when those republicans won, that he was the reason.

donald trump was the reason, come back to me in 2024. well, many of those republican candidates lost here and so instead he has to refocus on joe biden specifically. take a look at part of his statement in which he really -- it was a long statement warning but with such a clam tuesday and failed presidency, it is almost inconceivable that biden would even think of running for re-election. you know what happened in the last election, they cheated and they rigged the election but i promise you this, when i standing on the debate stage and compare records, it will be a nightmare. each debate he tried to use joe biden's age as a weapon against him. he said he had dementia and should be in a nursing home. it didn't work in 2020 every single time donald trump has been a part of our electoral process, whether it was 2020 or 2019 talking about the kentucky governor's race, the runoff elections in georgia, democrats

have turned out and beat donald trump's candidates yet, this is what we're looking at is a rematch. >> 2018, 2019, 2020, some special elections in 2021, republicans didn't do them, 2022 in the midterms. we'll see what happens in '24. vaughn and shaq, thank you very much. joining me now is the cook political reports senior editor dave wasserman so vaughn was saying that donald trump was essentially on the ballots in 2022. he wasn't actually on the ballot in 2022. when he is on the ballot, what is that going to do to down ballot races what does it mean for control of congress >> katy, a biden/trump rematch will be an extremely high turnout election like the one we saw in 2020. there are tens of millions of voters who did not show up in 2022 who were not necessarily motivated by issues like

abortion or the future of democracy who are going to show up in 2024, whether it's because trump repels them or because trump motivates them to vote in years when he is on the ballot as opposed to midterms and so, yes, president biden has pivoted towards the middle on migrant doetentions to alaskan oil drilling but if there's a trump/biden matchup, there are nervous democrats because democrats will turn out against trump but the thing that unites voters in the middle is that they're sick of living in a gerontocracy and it takes away the argument against trump. >> do you expect to have any voters who are just frustrated as you were talking about with this and say they just don't

want to get involved in time around >> that's possible but keep in mind that trump is such a polarizing figure, that's the reason we saw a historic turnout in 2020 of close to 160 million voters and when you have trump on the ballot, i think it potentially benefits republicans in districts with high white working class populations where we saw some republican turnout dropoff in 2022 but it will also lift minority turnout as well which was a weak spot for democrats in the midterms and that has the potential to help them in districts in new york and california where they underperformed last cycle and that's where the battle for control of the house will be fought 11 of those 18 republicans sitting in biden-won districts are in new york and california >> very interesting and there's also the senate race, which the map is not as friendly for

democrats. let me ask you about abortion, though nikki haley who is running for president against donald trump was asked -- or spoke about abortion today let me play what she said. >> my goal as president will be the same as it was when i was governor and ambassador. i want to save as many lives and help as many moms as possible. we should be able to agree that contraception should be more available, not less. and we can all agree that women who get abortions should not be jailed a few have even called for the death penalty. that's the least pro-life position i can possibly imagine. >> she does not say where she stands on when abortions should be allowed and should not be allowed. this is her, you know, sidestepping the issue how big of an issue will this be

for voters we've already seen it turn a number of elections, from the special elections in '21 and '22 to the wisconsin supreme court race that was a landslide for democrats. >> well, when abortion is the driving issue on the ballot, it has crossed republicans in particularly states and districts with large secular working class populations, particularly midwest like wisconsin, like michigan, where you have a number of non-church going voters who drifted from the democratic coalition of the 1990s to republicans and trump more recently because trump did not talk a lot about abortion and they moved over to him on trade and immigration. this has brought democrats back into contention with those voters, particularly women and to the extent it is salient in the 2024 campaign, it will put republicans in a very uncomfortable position of trying to please their own base but

also trying to woo these voters who clearly went to democrats more so than in recent years in 2022 >> dave wasserman, dave, thank you very much for being on with us we appreciate it speaking of what will be at play in 2024, north dakota just passed one of the strictest anti-abortion laws in the entire country. republican governor doug bergam signed a six-week ban even in cases of rape and incest the only exception is to protect the life of the mother if an abortion is done outside of those parameters, the provider could face felony criminal charges the governor said the law reaffirms north dakota as a pro-life state coming up next, what tucker carlson's firing could mean for republican candidates next cycle, including, perhaps, kevin mccarthy, who is currently working to pass a debt limit bill lex trading easier react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder

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announced but that fox corp ceo, lachlan murdoch and suzanne scott actually made the decision last friday. "the l.a. times" adds that the order came straight from fox owner rupert murdoch along with yip input from board members nbc news has not confirmed any of those reports and neither carlson or his lawyer have issued a statement on his firing but all of that still does not answer the biggest question, why now? joining me is npr media correspondent david folkenflick. thanks for being here. can you help us understand why now? >> well, this comes only six days after this huge three-quarters of a billion dollar settlement, dominion voting systems epic, legendary suit against fox news. tucker carlson figured in it he was an element in it by

claiming it was part of some grand scheme to defraud donald trump of an election victory in reality what i'm told is, first off, he wasn't the worst of the offenders at fox. if they're going to make a sacrificial lamb and throw somebody over the side to appease the gods, it probably wouldn't have been given carlson first. he's also embroiled in a related lawsuit filed by a former producer named abby grossberg and she said his workplace was rife with sexism, bias and big bigotry. what i'm told by people with knowledge from fox news, the findings in the dominion case, the dominion lawyers got their hands on over a million records from fox, electronic communications and the like including those of tucker carlson and his top executives at the show. those communications shed light on the kinds of dynamics at his program that abby grossberg was talking about. given that all the scandals of

sexual harassment since the ouster of roger ailes and the ouster of bill o'reilly, that's something they very much want to put in the past and it appears as though that's it. >> so what could he have said that's worse than what he was saying publicly and on the air >> it's such a good question tucker carlson has skated by and through controversies that would have cost most mortals in cable news or cable at all their jobs a long time ago. accusations of hiring a top writer who wrote for -- wrote posts that were essentially white supremacists the things that he said on the air about immigrants, about black people, about women. the conspiracies he peddled. in some ways about election fraud but particularly the idea that those who were arrested for the bloody siege at the u.s. capitol were somehow being persecuted merely for harmless political beliefs.

these are deeply corrosive things to be putting on the air day after day. yet what we do know because of the dominion case because we've covered it so many months, not only were there incredibly damaging things coming out, the way tucker carlson used a vial epiteth for women, the way that he talked about donald trump there were a lot of redactions, things behind black marker, that we haven't seen. you know they redacted it because they really wanted those things not to become public. so these things must be worse. >> so the conversation around what would happen next after the fox lawsuit is they would double down and the rhetoric would get even more heated for them to make back the money they lost. the conversation around tucker carlson's firing is sort of changing that and making people wonder if this is a warning shot to other hosts who maybe have taken things too far when it comes to the election or whatever is that a safe -- is that a safe

bet to make? is there any credence to that? >> i think that i have some -- i would give some credence to the notion that fox recognizes that the reason it got in trouble in the dominion case and a parallel case that is still ongoing from smartmatic that is still out there, filed for $2.7 billion against fox news, that that is because they didn't have control of their hosts who went catapulting toward conspiracy theories in order to win back viewers alienated by joe biden's victory. that said, i don't think we're going to see a warmer, gentler version of fox news in the near future in the way loachlan murdoch talked about you'll see plenty of heat but fewer specifics. >> david, thank you very much for joining us coming up, what's holding some republican lawmakers back from kevin mccarthy's debt limit bill member the ngs you loved before asthma got in the way?

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a plea is a plea the plea is going to be not guilty >> the arraignment for the man suspected of killing cash app p founder bob lee, his arraignment was delayed a second time. his attorney made it clear when

that arraignment comes he'll plead not guilty what do we know about what happened the night bob lee was stabbed to death joining me now is nialla charles. what did the court documents tell us? >> reporter: the arraignment was pushed until next week because the defense says they haven't received all the documents she's blaming the san francisco police department. take a listen. >> to do my job effectively i need the police reports. that's why i said that sort of thing. it's not rocket science. if the police are going to make an arrest, they are duty bound to make these materials available to defense counsel it's not the appropriate discovery. i mean, there's a bunch of videos and stuff that's not the appropriate

discovery. >> reporter: police say the investigation is ongoing, but aren't commenting on the defense attorney's allegations prosecutors haven't released a possible motive yet. what we know according to the district attorney is that a major focus of this case will be the nature of the relationship between bob lee and the defendant's younger sister who is married to a prominent plastic surgeon in the area. court documents say the night of bob lee's murder on april 4th, he confronted him about an interaction lee had with his sister prosecutors say the attack was planned and deliberate they're pointing to the use of a kitchen knife as opposed to like a pocket knife and pointing to where bob lee was stabbed, in

the heart. katy >> thank you the defendant drove the victim to a dark, secluded area according to documents from a text message to the defendant from the defendant's sister, the defendant was upset with bob lee and, quote came down hard on him more details to come that is going to do it for me today "deadline white house" starts a tad bit early, right now ♪ ♪ hi, everyone it's 4:00 in new york. the fox news empire at a crossroads, having