obsession of all of these folks, and within the machines ther was some smoking gun evidenc of that. >> it's a little more than tha in michigan, they took the machines they took them out of the hand to change them, print up fak ballots, et cetera that is machines, but it's a different concern. it is particularly ranked unde michigan law you stole the machines t commandeer them and change the results. that is up there >> that's pretty black and white. i don't know that michigan state lot, but i would guess harry lippman, as always, pleasure, thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. guess harry litman, as always a pleasure thank you very much. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight begins right now. good evening, alex >> what a time to be alive,

chris. i say it often but really quite a time >> kind a crazy last 24 hours i thought. did you think that >> well, i did, my friend. >> i thought it was pretty wild. >> and i'll leave it there >> a lot going on. all right, have a great show >> thank you thank you at home for joining us this evening so you know a court case is going to be interesting when the judge asks the jurors questions like these anyone ever been to a rally for mr. trump, anyone believe the last presidential election was stolen, what about the three percenters, communists, proud boys, kkk, anyone been a member? those were the questions a judge had to ask jurors. that case centers on allegations trump raped e. jean carroll in a new york department store in the 1990s and those are allegations

trump denies and the questions the judge asked the jury in that case they basically tell you everything you need to know about trump's base of support right now. are you a member of a radical militia group, how about the kkk? are you a big believer in the big lie the election was stolen because if so you may be part of donald trump's space and that could amount to bias in this trial. that highly revealing detail out of court today that happened on the very same day that president biden officially announced that he is running for a second term as president if you look at his announcement video today it's pretty clear that biden is courting a different kind of supporter. >> the question we're facing is whether in the years ahead we have more freedom or less freedom, more rights or fewer. this is not a time to be complacent that's why i'm running for

re-election because i know america. i know we're good and decent people i know we're still a country that believes in honesty and respect and treating each other with dignity we believe everyone is equal, that everyone should be given a fair shot to succeed in this country. >> no mention of the kkk or fringe militia groups. after that president biden was off on the campaign trail where he spoke to union workers. he focused on his accomplishments over the past 2 1/2 years, things like passing a major infrastructure bill, passing the biggest climate investment in american history and lowering prescription drug costs. and the president vowed if re-elected he would finish the job, and that is the 2024 biden sales pitch, finish the job. in response to the president's announcement today the republican party gave everyone a

sneak peek of its strategy against joe biden in 2024. i want to show you a little of what they put out today but before i do i need to give you a weird disclosure their first ad since the official biden announcement the republican party chose to just make something up or rather they asked a computer to just make something up the rnc's big ad against biden was entirely generated by artificial intelligence, ai. and takes place in a robot manufactured hell scape where joe biden is re-elected. take a look. >> this just in, we can now call the 2024 presidential race for joe biden. >> this morning an emboldened china invades taiwan >> financial markets are in free fall as 500 regional banks,

officials closed the city of san francisco this morning citing the escalating crime and fentanyl crisis. who's in charge here >> it feels like the train is coming off the tracks. >> china invaded taiwan, the financial markets are in free fall, they closed san francisco. how do you close a city? do they just strip it down like an old toys-r-us and turn the whole bay area into one big halloween super store? who can know despite what those robot super anchors have to say none of this is real. and it says a lot they had to create an entirely fictional biden apocalypse to run again. and it's also shocking by the way to see republicans running a campaign after fox news paid out a historic $700 million settlement for perpetuating lies about a presidential election. but, yeah, that really is the republican strategy right now to beat joe biden joining us now is dan fifer, and

kevin maden. thank you both for being here. kevin, the robot hellscape seems to be the best the rnc has to offer. and i wonder, well, first of all, what you make of it as a piece of campaign strategy >> well, look, first of all i don't think they're giving madison avenue anything to run for on this. >> you don't think the ai is on the level? >> but i think, look, this is the message they're most comfortable with particularly right now that they don't have a candidate. i think trump is the titular leader of the party, but without a candidate right now the number one goal of anyone working at the rnc as part of their message machine is to draw as tough a message against joe biden as possible and so when you look at that type of messaging that's all you're really going to get from the rnc up until you have another republican nominee >> or maybe forever, though. i mean, right?

wouldn't they delight in just being able to focus on biden and not actually have to talk about trump or whoever the candidate is and the vision for the republican party >> but it also goes to what you were mentioning earlier, which is that so many of the most ardent based voters right now what motivates them more than anything is this idea that they are part of an effort to stop joe biden from destroying the country, and that is really what's animating base politics right now, so you're going to hear message after message not only does it raise money but it's sort of calcifies the most ardent, active republican base voter to support the rnc and be active >> dan, i wonder what you think of president biden's rollout video, which was i will just say better produced than the robot hell scape from the rnc. it has a vision, right, the finish the job mantra, which i guarantee we'll be hearing a lot about. but it also does propose, you

know, biden as better than the alternative. right? you see these voting signs sprinkled in throughout that ad. it's equal parts optimism and to some degree pessimism. >> strike one for humans in the coming battle against robots for a job. i thought his ad was very good i was struck by it felt a little bit different than your typical ad i was really struck by how much time and energy they spent in the ad talking about fighting for democracy, fighting for freedom. the biden campaign is clearly trying to recapture that value, centering in on abortion rights, protecting the rights of marriage equality and the rights of lgbtq plus people in this country. you see a little bit of a repeat of what worked so well in 2022 which is to brand the republicans as maga extremists this is just the beginning the president has a lot of work to do. he knows this. this is a strong first step of

what the first base of the campaign will be >> republicans love to make hay about kamala harris and she figures prominently in this ad she's very much a ticket from jump street. >> absolutely and i think that she's going to be part of this campaign in a way in which i think no vice president has been certainly in recent memory because of the president's age, because of the historic groundbreaking nature of her vice-presidency, the fact she's a future leader of this party. republicans like to go after women, like to go after people of color the vice president is both, so she'll be a big target of the right-wing media so it's smart of biden to insulate against those attacks they know are coming >> you know, kevin, i think a lot of people want to believe because we are such a highly polarized country and the stakes seem so incredibly high i think for both parties that this is not going to be a close election, but every indicator would seem to suggest that no

matter who the nominees are and presumably on the democratic side it'll be joe biden. and as of right now on the republican side if it's donald trump, i mean the fact of the matter is approval ratings which are a good indicator of how you ultimately do in a final election, they don't move around like they used to. and, you know, if you look at biden's approval rating it was a 42.5, which is what trump's approval rating was i believe when he announced he was running again. the fact of the matter is this is going to play out in the margins. >> the american electorate right now is stuck between the 45 yard line of american politics. and what is it now that actually moves things over that 50-yard line so that you have a winning majority, and i think this ad or the announcement that the president put out today sort of speaks to what makes the big difference the big difference here is that ultimately the people who make-or-break these elections, ultimately they go with the more optimistic candidate they go with the candidate who

has more of a vision for what the future is, someone who can speak to their hopes, and their dreams, to their aspirations as much as we see people activating their base politics right now this is ultimately going to come down to those swingiest of swing voters in those nine suburb areas around the country and whether or not the candidate can answer the question affirmatively does this person understand the problems of people like me and have a plan for the future that's the message that's going to win >> that's such an interesting point, kevin and dan, i would love to get your thoughts on that because so much of what seems to animate american politics right now is pessimism and who can scare the crap out of voters more effectively? and certainly biden has done his fair share and said it's me or the apocalypse do you think it's the message that's the deciding factor >> kevin is correct the more

optimistic candidate is the one that's won with the exception of 2016 i think having a vision for the future is going to be most impactful. and to the question of whether it's going to be close, it is going to be close. it just is the last two presidential elections combined were decided by a number of voters not much larger than the number of people who attend one big ten college football game on a saturday. that is where we are in american politics not nationally but in the context of the electoral college. when it comes to joe biden's approval ratings i think you can't analyze those in a vacuum. i think winning presidential elections is a little bit like being eaten by a bear. you have to be popular than the other guy. with either of these biden he's got work to do but starts off in a very strong position >> i've got to ask we're talking

about age, and i want to direct this to you, dan, because you know the -- you're the oldest. i think there's -- the biden team seems to be doing something in this initial campaign rollout that i think is kind of genius as it concerns biden's age, which we're told all the time is a factor and something everyone needs to be concerned about in terms of his age and running for re-election. it seems they're taking a page from bernie sander's play book which is don't pretend this guy isyu use the age maverick thing to his advantage. they're literally taking the dark branded meme and they're putting it on sweatshirts -- there it is, on mugs you know, like, the whole point is this -- they're taking effective weaknesses and trying to draw strength from them don't pretend joe biden a middle-aged guy that can relate

using cool language the youngs use. own the fact he's younger, that he's prone to gasp will they do that wholeheartedly in the campaign, i don't know. but at this initial stage it seems they're embracing it more than they're trying to run away from it. >> you can't avoid it. joe biden's age is an absolute legitimate question that has to be answered in this election it should be the silliance of that question is going to depend on two things one, how old is the republican nominee. if it's donald trump who i think is a relatively aged 76-year-old i think the question of joe biden's age goes down. and it's how he handles himself on the campaign trail. if he handles himself the next two years he'll easily meet the threshold the american people want the only way to get there is by engaging the people, taking it on, being honest about it, not hiding from the press or the public this video indicates they're going to take it head on and i

think it's the right choice. >> kevin, what do they need to from a strategic perspective, what do they need to avoid in terms of the age question? >> dan's right it's the one thing you can't avoid and can't change it. one thing they have to do is the supporting cast. i think the more they surround him with young leaders who are leaders in the democratic coalition, kamala harris, i think that's why she was featured so prominently inside the video and just position him in areas where he can flourish on the experience question versus how to always be a question about his age that's really the best option they have. >> i would also say don't put him on teleprompter, let joe be joe. take the loss which will inevtale be a joe biden gaffe for the win in a joe biden state. >> they don't even expose him to the elements but they use things like void yos, shorts, interactions with crowds

that's probably where he does the best i'd have joe biden, i'd have him working the rope lines all the time >> you can skip the speech entirely >> he loves it he loves the interaction with the crowds >> yes keep him safe but keep him in the rope line. dan fifer, kevin maded, great to talk with you both that's kevin, you're both older than me. yeah, okay we've got a lotmore to get to. thank you, dan new reporting about another supreme court justice's final dealings is raising new questions about ethics and the supreme court and whether those two things actually go together. plus senator elizabeth warren engaged in a fiery debate today with her republican colleague. senator warren will be here live with me coming up next

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if you were a president would you advocate for for limits >> yeah, so so once again i'm 100% pro-life. >> so yes. >> that's not what i said. i do believe we should have a robust conversation about what's happening. >> republicans been having a tough time to figure how to talk about abortion ever since the supreme court struck down roe last year, and it has been particularly awkward for republican presidential candidates but today nikki haley, the lone woman among the declared republican candidates, she chose to confront abortion head on in a speech in arlington, virginia.

haley was speaking at the lincoln america pro-life offices which recently criticized trump for the policies that abortion should be decided at the state level and not by the federal government haley's speech had all the trappingsf of a big policy speech except once she actually delivered it there were no specifics, no policy, no endorsement of a national ban after a specific number of weeks of pregnancy, nothing, no details, just vibes about forging national consensus on abortion but the problem with that for a republican at least is that the national consensus on abortion held by more than 60% of this country is that abortion should be legal, which is not where republican candidates or lawmakers happen to be and republican lawmakers in congress today have now manufactured a stalemate over abortion, one that could imperil our country's military readiness at least according to defense

secretary lloyd austin in february the defense department announced new policies that would give troops and their family members paid leave and stipends to travel for abortions or for fertility treatments ever since senator tommy tupperville from atlanta who sits on the armed services committee, he has been up in arms about the policy change and as sort of a comeuppance to the defense department tupperville has intentionally stalled more than 200 military promotions and nominations for the past two months. defense secretary austin and others have been very clear here throwing sand in the gears of the military could cripple america's national security. but senator tupperville has promised to continue this protest until the dod changes its abortion policy. today after a back and forth on the senate floor, tupperville blocked a request by senator elizabeth warren to allow those promotions to move forward tupperville is holding up basic military staffing including nominations interest our next

military representative to nato and for the director of intelligence for u.s. cyber command, both of which seem, i don't know, fairly important here's what senator warren had to say >> holding up the promotion of every single military nominee isn't democracy. it's extortion >> joining us now is senator elizabeth warren, the democrat from massachusetts and member of the armed services committee senator warren, thank you so much for being here. i -- i would love to get your reaction to tommy tuberville's latest defense of his actions saying the military has too many generals what do you make of that >> everyone is familiar with the fact the senate has to approve judges, has to approve cabinet officials, has to approve ambassadors. turns out that for all our top ranking military they also have

to be approved by the senate, so when someone is promoted from colonel to brigadier general they have to be promoted by the senate this is always done routinely and done in a big package and in fact there's usually not a recorded vote on this. and what's happened is because of the department of defense's policy on permitting people who are in a state, in a military installation in a state that prohibits certain reproductive right -- access to reproductive health care, they can leave the state. the military says go away for a few days, get the care you need. that's the policy. senator tuberville is now holding 184 of our military people, everybody who's coming up since he put a hold in place. and this means people don't get their promotions, they don't get

their pay bumps, and they don't get to go to the postings where the military wants to send them. like the head of the seventh fleet or the head of the fifth fleet or the head of the cyber command, and it's true for military up and down the line in this whole area where i just want you to think about what that means senator tuberville actually stood there and said, in fact, we don't need these people there are already too many generals, too many admirals, too many officers. and his solution to that is just to try to drop the hammer on all of them as a way to try to lever the department of defense to crack down on people who are at military installations in states that ban access to abortion or ivf or other reproductive health

services it's truly stunning and terrible for our military readiness and overall for our national defense. >> i've just got to say the politics of this for a republican are so patently insane the fact that we have elizabeth warren criticizing tommy tuberville on military readiness is honestly seems like bizarreo world. do you think his newfound line of defense we have too many admirals is indicative of someone feeling the heat and eventually going to cave on this issue? >> i genuinely don't know what it's going to take ultimately to move senator tuberville, but it is the reminder of what the underlying strategy of the republicans is they keep looking for places to extend, to expand, to create a situation where abortion is front and center and where there are extremist views that are

completely out of touch with the majority of americans are going to be hammered down and forced on everybody in this country, and that's what makes this so important to fight back. it is insulting to our military. it is threatening to our national defense, and it is ultimately one more statement that if the republicans have the power, they are going to cram their extremist abortion views down on all of the rest of america. >> they will cram their abortion views down the throat of the rest of america when they themselves can actually figure out they want to some degree as well, right? you're seeing national republican figures like naky ha haley and tim scott absolutely falling all over themselves to stake out a position that appears to appease the

anti-trump caucus in their party but doesn't doom themselves. how do you think the republican party resolves this? does this head to something like the national ban after 15 weeks? how do you see republicans ultimately circling the wagons on this one? >> you know, i actually see this, this is what extremism is all about. they just get themselves tied into a tighter and tighter knot. and they should continue to get pressure from everyone else to state their positions clearly and out in public because they understand that they are out of touch. they understand that they are going where a majority of americans very much do not want them to go they understand that they are the ones who are provoking americans across this country to stand up and say, wait, i've had enough of this, we are not going

to put up with this, we are going to fight back. let's face it in the 2024 election, abortion will be on the ballot >> do you think on that note president biden announced he's running for re-election today. do you think the administration has staked out enough of a defensive posture on the offense of the state level the lawsuits we're seeing across the country to the state level and some degree the federal level have created mass confusion. women's lives hangs in the balance. there's a real question of what quote-unquote freedom means in the administration these days. do you think president biden is doing enough to articulate a vision for reproductive freedom should he be re-elected in 2024? >> i loved the video this morning, and i love the fact one of the very first words in it is freedom and that he really is taking this word back for democrats. and to me it was just the loud and clear signal we stand on one

side and extremist republicans are on the other and the side we stand on truly is about freedom it's about women making their own decisions, their own decisions about abortion, their own decisions about ivf, their own decisions about birth control. it's about people being treated with respect, and having that time of ability to be able to determine their own futures and for the president to just come straight out of the box with that's where he wants to lead, i like that kind of leadership and then the fact he can bring in vice president harris to just punch it home, i like the positions joe biden and kamala harris are in on abortion. i think it's the fight the american people want to see. we need to expose what the republicans are up to and make it clear we are the party that

stands for access to abortion, stands for access to birth control. we will be there on the side of american women all across this country. >> she likes president biden's odds you heard it here first. senator elizabeth warren, thank you so hutch for your time tonight. i really appreciate it >> thank you we have still more to come this evening including reports of a new grand jury investigation into trump supporters election deniers in michigan while the prosecutor in georgia warns police to get ready for her, quote, charging decisions which are coming this summer plus after revelations of justice clarence thomas' financial entanglements with a billionaire new reporting about another supreme court justice who left information about his public disclosure. that is next

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for two years supreme court justice neil gorsuch used incredibly blurry photos to unsuccessfully try to sell this three bedroom 3 1/2 bath cabin on a 40 acre property in colorado purposely built right along the colorado river to be an ideal fishing get away. politico reports today just nine days after gorsuch was confirmed by the senate to our nation's highest ourt, nine days later neil gorsuch got an offer. the chief executive of one of it

nation's biggest law firms bought this ideal fishing get away gorsuch reported making somewhere between 250 and $500,000 from that sale, but federal disclosure records showed gorsuch never disclosed the identity of the purchaser despite the fact gorsuch disclosed in the past who bought him a fishing rod he did not diz close who bought him a fishing cabin. since then that chief executive law firm has been involved in 72 cases before the court in 12 of those cases gorsuch himself has reported opinion he sided with greenberg traurig eight times and against them four times but he's never recused himself the chief executive of this law firm, the guy who bought the property, he told politico he did not know neil gorsuch was one of the owners when he made his first offer and that the fact that gorsuch was going to

be a supreme court justice was absolutely irrelevant to the purchase of the property gorsuch himself did not respond to politico's questions about the sale nbc news has reached out as well, and we have not yet heard back, which is okay then this kind of sale and this lack of disclosure and lack of recusal would be a massive ethics problem for basically any other official in our government, but the supreme court plays by its own rules and that is becoming more and more untenable. for example, if you look again at justice gorsuch's sale of this ideal fishing get away in colorado, not only is the sale pretty questionable, so are the sellers themselves, the folks justice gorsuch sold this house with gorsuch owned and sold that property with two other people, a man naved kevin conwick, and a man named kevin harvey, a man "the new york times" describes as two of the top lieutenants of a particular billionaire, this

man, philip anschutz "the new york times" reports gorsuch represented himself as outside counsel for several years in the early 2000s and also notably the owner of the right-wing news outlet, the washington examiner, as well as a major republican donor "the times" reports that in 2006 he successfully lobbied colorado's lone republican senator and the bush administration to nominate gorsuch to the federal appeals court after which justice gorsuch became a semi regular speaker at his annual hunting retreats now, if all this talk of hunting retreats and so forth is giving you deja vu. if you feel you just heard a story about a supreme court justice being uncomfortably close with an incredibly conservative billionaire, that is because you did earlier this month propublica

published a series of exposes about supreme court justices clarence thomas and a man named harlan crow. propublic law reported for more than two decades he accepted luxury trips for virtually every year without disclosing them and harlan crow bought a house from thomas while thomas was on the court and justice thomas did not disclose it. up until yesterday thomas' excuse here was he'd been advised he didn't have to disclose any of this because harlan crow, quote, did not have business before the court. turns out that's also not the case crow's office confirmed to bloomberg that it tried to get the court to accept a case in 2005 now, the court declined that case but at least publicly justice thomas did not recuse himself from that decision and thomas also did not respond to any of bloomberg's questions about any of this. and tonight we got the news from the senate judiciary chair, dick

durbin, that chief justice roberts has declined the committee's request the chief justice testify about the court's ethics issues because the justices are all supposedly policing themselves. and we see how well that is going. coming up later this hour an update on the battle between florida governor ron desantis and the company that's designing a new ap course in african american studies for high school students but first why donald trump may need to change his summer plans. that's next. ♪ ♪ i realize i'm no spring chicken. ♪ ♪ i know what's right for me. ♪ ♪ i've got a plan to which i'm sticking. ♪ ♪ my doc wrote me the script. ♪ ♪ box came by mail. ♪ ♪ showed up on friday. ♪ ♪ i screened with cologuard and did it my way! ♪ cologuard is a one-of-a kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪ (group) i did it my way! ♪

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we have some news today related to former president trump's effort to steal the election in 2020 in michigan a special prosecutor has reportedly convened a grand jury to weigh criminal charges against a group of trump supporters for tampering loading equipment in the aftermath of the 2020 election. if this sounds familiar that is because it is. a similar investigation is under way in georgia where a fulton county d.a. fani willis is looking into trump's efforts to overturn the election results in that state including according to cnn and others, including efforts to get access to voting machines in coffey county, georgia. now we don't know how this part of the investigation will play out in the broader scheme of things investigating but we do know that decisions are coming yesterday the atlanta journal constitution reported that d.a. willis is getting ready to

potentially announce charges against trump and others this summer we know that because in a letter willis sent to the fulton county sheriff's's office warning them of the need for extra security as she moves ahead with her investigation, quote, i will be announcing charging decisions resulting from this investigation during fulton county superior court's fourth term of the court which will begin july 11th and conclude september 1, 2023. and to discuss all this i'm joined by mary mccord, executive director for advocacy protection at georgetown university center and acting attorney general for national security at the department of justice. mary, it is great to see you i wonder if you are reading this letter from the d.a. in fulton county the same way i'm reading it she's asking for extra security, providing this letter to bring your attention to the need for heightened security and preparedness in the coming months, this a pending

announcement and it sounds pretty -- that a criminal indictment of donald trump may be coming between september 11th and january 1st >> she certainly doesn't promise indictments, but one wonders whether you'd need a request for such a level of security if she wasn't expecting there to be indictments returned and in particular indictments against the former president i will note that, you know, there were lots of calls for protests in new york by former president trump himself as well as others like marjorie taylor greene that largely ended up being a dud after alvin bragg announced his indictments. but georgia is not new york, and i think fani willis has some reason to be concerned she could have reached out to the sheriff quietly and not publicly, but she chose to do it in a letter that, of course, is now quite public and i have to think that that was a signaling function on her part and a way for her to also say, you know,

when i said imminent a month or so ago i didn't really mean imminent, i meant july >> yeah, right, because there are a lot of people eager to find out what the d.a. is going to do down in fulton county if we're talking july, august, and maybe the first day of september that's quite different than may, which i think was widely seen as the expectation for when those charging decisions might come down when we talk about the delay here, "the new york times" is reporting as have some others that there is potential cooperation coming from some of the fake electors who are involved in the plot in georgia, that they may now be cooperating with the d.a.'s office i guess i wonder from a legal perspective what sort of meaningful information could be added to the pot, if you will, with new voices coming forward and what questions you would have for fake electors were they cooperate with your office >> sure, my office when i was in the government, of course. i certainly would have wanted to talk to them, find out who was

working with them, who was orchestrating, you know, their scheme to meet on the day that the electoral college meet and to cast their ballots even though they were casting ballots for the loser of their state in a state that gives all of the electoral ballots to the winner and figure out how high up that goes now, we know from other places and other investigations including that of house select committee that james troupis was involved in wisconsin, for example, with the fraudulent electors there and kenneth jasborogh was involved in the scheme in multiple states. trying to find out if these electors have more information about who their contacts were, any other e-mails or communications they might be able to share. but i would also note the other things you were reporting about michigan, there's also evidence that in georgia as well there were efforts to tamper with and actually access -- get

unauthorized access to voting machines in coffey county and to upload that -- the software for voting machines. and so some of that i think is probably also within the scope of fani willis' investigation. and it could be they're working on cooperators relating to that. new revelations suggest that this kind of access in georgia was actually discussed in the december 18th meeting trump had with sydney powell and others. so that would be pretty substantial new evidence if that's, in fact, true. >> we know that special counsel jack smith is also investigating efforts to subvert the election. and we are told repeatedly that the special counsel's office is not coordinating with d.a.'s and the timing of potential charging decisions, but because jack smith and fani willis have a lot of overlap, do you think there's a possibility the doj is talking to the d.a.'s office and they're

coordinating the potential rollout of any indictments because the time frame looks to be similar, this summer. >> yeah, and, you know, we don't have a time frame from jack smith. what we know from jack smith is as a federal prosecutor he's going to be very conscience of not taking any action too close to an election that could be perceived as trying to influence that election. so whether that's nis summer or this fall or even in had spring really kind of dedepends on that proximity to the election, which we know will be november 2024, but i don't think it has to be this summer. in terms of coordination i do think they're probably going to be trying to be careful to not, you know, have an appearance of coordinating in a way that could be criticized as being done for political purposes but you're right, there's overlap here in many respects fani willis' investigation is a subset of jack smith's investigation, his being nationwide and hers focused on georgia, in

particular fulton county there's got to be some level of sharing of evidence, potentially discussing witnesses so that one case -- investigation doesn't harm the other investigation and perhaps doing that type of working together and there may be some discussion of timing, but i do think they want to be careful to not -- like you use the term rollout, to not subject themselves to criticism at they planned a rollout for political purposes >> so be conscience but don't make it look coordinated because it's not coordinated even though there's a lot of overlap okay, it's complicated mary mccord, thank you so much for your time tonight. really appreciate it >> my pleasure we have one more story for you this evening about how one educational institution may be learning that it does not pay to cater to governor ron desantis that's next. help stop the clock on gum disease now. parodontax toothpaste... ...is 3x more effective at removing plaque bacteria, one of the main causes of bleeding gums. parodontax. the gum experts.

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