the best thing he can do is do the job of president and show the american people he can still do it and do it well. >> not a bad strategy to stay out of the headlines when your potential opponent, donald trump, is facing multiple criminal investigations. and the president hosting the president of south korea tonight for a steak dinner "the washington post's" tyler pager, thanks we appreciate it and t thanks to all of you getting up way too early with us. "morning joe" starts right now. >> when i ran for president four years ago i said we were in a battle for the soul of america what is the soul of america? freedom. wisdom kindness empathy. style. i'm talking about pana che man whispering >> i wrote the bill. >> because it sounds cool.

>> $1.9 trillion. >> shaking hands, kissing babies, and getting plenty of shut eye buying war bonds just to keep the kaiser on his toes trains those old beer cans with the pull tabs, what happened to those? slipping a few candy buttons into your phosphate to see how fast it makes you pedal the bike and the games on greta garbo and the best thing of all, naked with your best gal at the back of a picture show. go for it jack what was i talking about oh, i'm joe biden and that's why i'm running for re-election. but first i'm watching the "wheel of fortune" >> oh, man >> oh my god that was so funny.

>> keeping the kaiser on his toes man >> the gams on greta garbo, that was my favorite. >> too funny >> they're making fun of joe for one thing, that's his age. >> yeah. it's pretty funny. >> that's not so bad good morning and -- >> go for it, jack >> that's not right. >> it's wednesday, we're really -- it's been a long week already first of all, does anyone think it should be friday >> always. >> please raise your hand. >> always. >> along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire he agrees it should be friday. washington bureau chief of "usa today" susan page and chief correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker. >> most people you see very

sorry they're here it's only going to get worse. >> we apologize. >> yeah. >> we're always sorry. >> willie -- >> we should start with the disclaimer. >> i want to talk to willie. >> one second guys we'll be right there. >> uh-oh >> they'll forgive you, you're our escort in and out of detention. >> what is coming out of your mouth? i'm worried. >> i had a friend call me last night, are we going to see polls of trump, a supporter of trump. look at this this is what he showed me. donald trump's favorability among republicans. >> we talked about this yesterday. >> an all-time high. >> in republicans. >> he thought, let's look at this he thought that this would send people that watch this show and people who want democrats to win

into a spiral. and i said, dude, you don't understand you think that democrats are still scared of donald trump no no they want him to win you think you're owning the libs you're only making libs as comfortable as if you were smoking a big bong in your front yard playing hacky sack. this is what they want this is the natural order of things because look at this next poll, willie from the same group. >> yep >> do you want trump to be president again? look at the independent numbers, 29% yes. 68% no i'm not exactly sure when it happened, willie but at some point donald trump went from being the big, bad

wolf for liberals and making them like curl up in a fetal position under their desks like they didn't even like have the energy to go out and play hackey sack on the front yards or the street, at some point it went from there to now when they're happy when he does well in republican polls because they know it means they're going to win. they're not owning the libs. they're saying, here you go, libs, here's the white house for four more years. >> whatever nerves progressives and democrats may have about joe biden running for re-election are assuaged when they think about hopefully it'll be donald trump on the other side. they believe that joe biden not only beat him once but can beat him again because of the numbers you're showing right there you cannot win a national election with 29% support among independents maybe that changes over the next year and a half. there's a lot of road ahead of us and a lot of things can

change but you just can't win a general election a national general election with 29% support among independents that republican number isn't where he used to be either 27% of republicans may be looking around a little bit saying i don't want this guy to be president, i may have taken a waiver on him once or twice, but i don't want to do it again. you're right to focus on that independent number that's where presidential elections are won and lost. >> that second poll was a marris poll i know there are many democrats concerned about joe biden they think he's too old, don't think he can do this, you just go, though i keep saying it, because this election is not going to be won -- i want to get our other panelists in to talk about this because they'll agree. the election is not won across 50 states. it's literally won in the suburbs of atlanta, which will never -- i never say never, will

never go for donald trump again. the suburbs of philadelphia, that will never, ever go for donald trump in 2024 the suburbs of detroit, that will never go for donald trump wisconsin, never donald trump, if nominated, he rebuilds that blue wall that we kept talking about during the obama era. that blue wall in the electoral college that republicans would never be able to break and why am i saying this so much at 6:06 in the morning in april of -- because we know the dye is cast when it comes to donald trump. and these areas. same thing with arizona. the guy can't win there. it was -- a lot of these races were close, they've broken against him and he's become more radicalized. and you look at the very numbers, jonathan, that he

should have been building up, he's been tearing down the damage is complete now. >> he won in many 2016, of course losing the popular vote but he won because he was able to switch enough voters in the blue wall state, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, the independent and swing voters and disinfected democrats who were voting against hodaillary clintn but decided let's give the new guy a chance here. those voters who decide elections broke for trump, at least enough in '16 that he won that day those voters broke against him in 2020 because of his handling of the pandemic, the controversial headlines he spewed nearly every day while in office and the theory of the case here, from the white house and the democrats i speak to, they have a hard time seeing those voters breaking back to trump in '24 and polling there bears that out. they're not going to give trump

and likely other republicans that chance considering how their positions are only going more extreme on things like abortion, guns, schools, and the like so this is a race. if it's a trump/biden rematch, the trump -- the white house feels good about it. it gets complicated if the republicans come to their senses and nominates someone else but right now, biden/trump, the white house loves their chances. >> and there's no thought it's going to be someone else based on the way things are going so far. susan page i can hear 2016 hillary clinton campaign staffers saying be careful what you wish for, we wanted donald trump too. but this is different, this is a man who was in office for four years, indicted once, and could be indicted several more times

before election day. how is this campaign, the way it's setting up right now, how does it look different than even 2020 when these two guys ran against each other >> it does for one thing, joe biden will be running on his record of his first term we may have a credible third party candidate, a ticket running in some key states that could save some of the calculations making this landscape look good for joe biden. one other thing to keep in mind. we don't know what's going to be happening with the economy as we head into this campaign. and we see this nervousness, this turmoil in the banking sector that may be increasing the possibility that we have a recession of some sort elections are never straight lines, but i think it is correct, as jonathan was saying that the democrats feel pretty good about where president biden is at this moment of his launch. >> susan is so right you never know what's going to

happen between now and then. a recession could happen. >> democrats like to hand wring too. >> yeah. >> it's how it goes. >> it is what they do. but at the same time, again, anybody but donald trump would be better news for republicans >> yeah. >> if they wanted to win and peter baker think about it, joe biden wins in 2020, since that time, you've had donald trump election denying, you've had january 6th, you had him talking about terminating the constitution you have had him indicted in new york, an indictment in georgia likely to come in the next few months an indictment in the documents case likely to come, these are things again that break in the worst possible way for republicans, because once again with every one of those indictments, donald trump breaks the law, then he gets indicted then his numbers go up and the republican party, while his

numbers with independents go down it is right now just a very toxic mix for republicans who want to win in 2024. >> a lot of republicans are worried about what you're saying on paper this doesn't look good for republicans. but let's remember there are head-to-head matchup poles that don't look great for democrats there are a couple showing trump in a head-to-head matchup with biden a few points ahead there are some showing biden ahead by a few points but within the margin of error. this is a competitive race right now even though on paper as you say it maybe shouldn't be. the logic of presidential politics would suggest that an indicted, twice impeached, defeated president who never won a majority in the popular vote, never once had the support of a majority of americans in any poll, main treastreet poll anyw would not be competitive, yet

he's within the margin or error. now it is april the year before election date, anything can happen more indictments i think change the dynamic. we'll see if republicans stick with him after two, three, four indictments. that's different than alvin bragg's hush money indictment which they've been able to brush off, or galvanize their supporters we don't know if donald trump is going to do as well as he's been doing. but if you're a democrat, the worry you have is that something can happen late in the fall of 2024, that changes that dynamic in those blue states as we're talking about. it didn't take much to change things in 2016, same in 2024 look at mitch mcconnell, he trips, falls, out of action for several weeks, he's 81 years old. president biden is 80 years old. what if something happens in october of 2024, and suddenly things look different. i would be cautious of how saying how things are going to

go we don't know about age, indictments, what's going to happen between now and november of next year >> in the end, joe biden is 80. >> yeah. >> donald trump will be 77 fairly soon. >> i know. >> so it's not like we're talking about a spring chicken here who is in good shape. >> a lot of moving factors potentially on both sides to peter's point. despite joe biden officially jumping into the 2024 race, former president donald trump appears focused on his potential republican rival ron desantis. trump's campaign released this new ad >> ron desantis was struggling big time in his primary race for governor of florida. polls revealed desantis was failing so bad he was losing by a staggering 17 points then desantis was saved by the d endorsement of president trump trump's support was so powerful two days after, ron desantis took a commanding lead and it

propelled him to be elected governor. >> i'd like to thank the president for standing by me when it wasn't necessarily the smart thing to do. >> you're welcome ron. unfortunately instead of being grateful, desantis is attacking the same made who made his career >> make america great again. >> big league. >> build the wall. >> then mr. trump said you're fired. i love that part. >> truth is, there's only one person who can make america great again. >> actually funny in there wow. >> willie, it's not true that trump is a better shot of beating biden. but i don't think we're going to see ron desantis against biden if this continues the way it is. it seems that desantis is just -- everything he's doing is wrong. is he -- >> it seems counter intuitive. >> he says he's going to stay in

tallahassee until the legislative session is over. he's flying across the world meeting world leaders. >> skips the flooding in fort lauderdale. >> yeah. just ignores the flooding in fort lauderdale. it's hard to imagine how anyone can botch the advantages he had a month or two ago. >> we talked about it ron desantis when he was running all those years ago insisting his children build that wall with the red blocks but donald trump has him dead to rights on this this was a guy who depended on donald trump, showered praise on donald trump and is now going to run against him. what's the strategy, the contrast how are you going to go after donald trump if you're not, you don't have much of a chance donald trump knows he's the threat he's doing what he did to jeb

bush, which is to vaporize the primary threat to your candidacy and yes, ron desantis not making great moves rolling out his campaign, including a couple weeks ago signing a six-week abortion ban which will not be helpful if he makes it to a general election. >> he is shrinking his pool of possible voters. so many republican donors are sounding the alarm here. those who don't want to back trump anymore say we need to turn the page, a few months ago they were around desantis but now there's second thoughts because they feel desantis is hurting himself. that ed is devastating mr. trump said you're fired, build that wall, that's tough stuff. we've seen the trump campaign outmaneuver desantis so far. in fact, they're considering while ron desantis is overseas might go to tallahassee and talk to lawmakers there

the possibility he's trying to steal more support from desantis' backyard that's why there are republicans looking around, saying maybe there is a lane here that's why we're anticipating, whether it's senator tim scott, vice president pence, others who may, in fact, take -- who seem to be waivering may take the plunge because they see desantis is wounded. >> in some ways for a lot of republicans, joe, ron desantis is a microcosm of what they've created. they've created this being who does what he does, whether he's indicted or has more indictments coming whatever you think about january 6th, about his presidency, you're kind of stuck in his shadow and you can't get out unless you, of course, insult the base. >> but the thing is, look to georgia. >> i know that >> a guy that -- but republicans don't know it. >> i know. >> a guy that recorded donald trump. >> i know.

>> secretary of state who supported trump previously a guy who recorded donald trump and is going to be responsible for trump ultimately being indicted there winds in a landslide when trump is desperate to get him and brian kemp, the governor, defeated there so you can go up against donald trump in a primary and end up winning. just look to georgia as a prime example. susan page, let's talk about desantis for a second and follow-up on what jonathan lemire was saying. six weeks ago, a lot of people were thinking this guy has got it, he's going to be able to win. usually when you're governor it's great you can do what you want to do but what has ron desantis done as governor? he's decided to pick every fight he can pick, first of all with disney, which makes him look stupid outside of a small base and bob iger is eating his lunch every day and laughing at him.

>> so strange. >> a six-week abortion ban and that came after kansas after wisconsin. after the 2022 political earthquake of republicans losing because of abortion in a lot of key races. and yet ron desantis plows forward with a six-week abortion ban that even scares top republican donors. he's really damaged himself. >> his strength is his weakness. he had this big re-election in florida, he has a strong majority in the florida ledge slawture that enables him to deliver on his agenda but the strength of his agenda, especially the six week abortion ban that he signed late at night without press coverage, just tweeting a picture of it afterwards tells you as with trump things that strengthen him among the republican base could create

huge problems for him if and when he makes it to a general election. >> we have a packed show ahead we'll look at how president biden's 2024 campaign hit the ground running on the heels of yesterday's re-election announcement plus during closing arguments in their seditious conspiracy trial yesterday attorneys for members of the proud boys put the blame for the january 6th capitol attack squarely on donald trump. and tucker carlson's ouster from fox news is being criticized -- >> okay. >> yeah. there's very much a lot of anger about it by russia's foreign minister. >> huh >> we'll show you those new remarks. also ahead, award winning actor liev schreiber is our guest this morning we'll have a look at the disney plus series about the people who helped hide ann frank and her

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boston, the mighty mountain of me mediocrity rose a couple feet higher. durant, who came back with a new body, new swing, and just bases loaded last night. take it lemire, here he is this kid coming out of nowhere this year. >> a highly touted prospect. career didn't start the way we wanted when he didn't move on an inside the park home run but this year changed his stance, a great athlete and he's hitting the ball grand slam last night, sox beat the orioles and we hover one game over 500 joe. that seems to be where the red sox want to be this year and corey kluber pitched well last night and i was ready to send him to pasture. >> we will always be one game

over 500 or under 500 or at 500. but you look at the yankees i'm looking at a 13-11 team you know what i'm looking at? i'm looking at is secretariate go out of the gate at the kentucky derby and letting everybody think he doesn't have it you're going to beat everybody in the division by 20, 25 games. this yankees team is great anything over 110 wins is a big disappointment for this team >> let him go. they're the equivalent of secretariat at the belmont that's what joe is calling if you look at the bottom, it's the yankees and the red sox. everybody looking up at the rays but the orioles are playing well we said this at the beginning of

the year, the jays are good too. the yankees garrett cole looks great but other than that mediocre >> the fact that everyone in new york has already moved away from baseball and is focussing on the knicks in tonight's game that tells you all you need to know, when the knicks are the hopes of new york sports rather than the yankees. >> that's dark. >> that's low. >> do we have any hope -- >> they play tonight >> the knicks. oh, it's game five tonight they're doing well i guess the celtics pushed a game 6. >> yeah. disaster >> trey. >> trey young hits a shot. we'll show it here this is basically from the logo. this is 30-odd feet. that's the game winner celtics were up three games to one, should have p closed this out at home. they blew a late double digit

lead credit to trae young, he was great. so they have to go back to game six. the knicks up go to cleveland tonight for a closeout, if they can't they get a shot at msg to do it. >> so let's talk to richard for what he's here for yesterday we heard from russia's foreign minister, sergey lavrov who commented on tucker carlson's ouster from fox news take a look. >> translator: perhaps it would be useful to consider how things are with freedom of speech in the united states. i heard that tucker carlson has left fox news. it's curious news. what is this related to? one can only guess but clearly, the wealth of views in the american formation space has suffered as a result >> richard, it is extraordinary, it really is >> wow. >> you have russian television

offering him a job as soon as he's fired now you have the russian foreign minister talking about this situation. and, you know, we could laugh and roll our eyes about it. >> i don't think it's funny. >> there isn't a laughing matter there are journalists here -- or not journalists. there are people who put themselves out as journalists who have newsletters, you read the newsletters they are literally picking up russian propaganda, that's spread from the kremlin, and publishing it for american audiences and finding receptive audiences on the far right or far left. basically anybody who hates joe biden are just lapping all of this russian propaganda up. >> while they're holding a wall street journal reporter. >> yes. >> it's going to the good news is they're still at the margins at the moment russia is not winning the war

either on the battlefield, much less throughout europe or in the united states. but sergey lavrov said something else interesting when he was asked about the wall street journal journalist essentially hinting at the possibility of an exchange down the road i took that as an interesting signal, joe. >> all right. you have something on northern irenorthern ireland? question i was asking when i talked to president clinton and tony blair and everyone else what can we learn about northern ireland? what can it teach us about ending the ukraine war a lot of questions that question elicited more questions. i'm curious to hear your thought osit since you've been involved in that process as well. >> northern ireland turned out

to be one of the few examples of successful diplomacy as you know you were just over that way. marked the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement. i was george mitchell's successor so i spent a lot of time working on that, obviously now spending a lot of time working on ukraine oddly enough i think there are some parallels the northern ireland agreement didn't try to solve everything it didn't try to deal with so called status issues would you have an irish unification or anything like that i think that's in some ways part of the wisdom of diplomacy for ukraine and russia don't try to deal with every last territorial issue don't try to deal with the disposition of the ethnic russian people living in certain places controlled by ukraine but get a cease-fire, which is what happened in northern ireland you have a cease-fire first and then you got the sides to give

up their weapons but do it sequentially don't try to do it all at once but do what you can. over time, it may take years, indeed in ukraine it would take years like it did in northern ireland. try to do it sequentially. the other thing with northern ireland that i thought was smart with the british, they told the ira, there's no way you'll shoot your way to power but we'll open up a political process you get some of what you want but not all of it. the same with russia, no way are you going to be able to use military force to realize your agenda but we are prepared one day to support a negotiation here and i think that, again, is the way to maybe structure diplomacy here. >> what's your sense of what putin, russia is willing to do in a negotiation i think the ukrainians as you know as well as anybody, would say this is not a reasonable partner. we can't have a negotiation with somebody whose stated goal is to

reclaim its territory, they want it all what do you do with an adversary like that? >> it's understandable why ukraine would say that given the war. but you have to make peace with your enemies, not your friends even unsavory enemies. so you test the russians if they're unreasonable as many think, then i think it makes it less difficult to maintain support for the war. let's test it and put things on the table and see what the russians are willing to do it may be at this point they're unwilling. maybe they say they would make certain compromises. they're feeling the pressure a little bit on the battlefield. they're feeling the pressure economically concerned about the rights of russian ethnics in ukraine my instincts are to explore it you have progress, if you don't, you have exposed them and shown

the chinese they can't deliver anything so i don't think there's a risk in exploring diplomacy here. >> let's talk about how much is riding on the ukraine spring offensive which we think could start at any time. conflicting signals whether they'll try to make crimea part of that. the u.s. sent up flags they don't think you it's a great idea, they don't think it's going to be met with much success and it could push putin into dark places but what does it mean for the war going forward? >> it's going to be critical if the offensive turns out to be successful, ukraine gains yardage, people say great continue with this if it doesn't, we don't know, if it doesn't, then i think pressure grows to think about negotiations to say rather than a second, third, fourth set of fighting seasons, very hard to sustain militarily, economically and the rest, i think pressure will grow

saying let's see if we can't get some version of a cease-fire that militarily will start things there and try to use diplomacy and sanctions over time to liberate the rest of the ukrainian territory. nobody is challenging the ends, other than russia, that they need to go back to 1991. the question is means. is military force going to be the means of liberation? we'll find out in the next few months if that's viable, if so great. if not we have to look to other tools and i think that's the conversation in the united states, in europe, and reluctantly but inevitably in ukraine as well. >> let's turn to south korea which is responding to concerns stemming to the leaked documents that suggest the u.s. spies on them and other allies. speaking to nbc news, south korea's president said it will not affect the relationship between the countries saying, quote, this matter is no reason to shake the ironclad trust that

supports the u.s./south korea alliance because it is based on shared values like freedom peter baker, your thoughts on this and whether there's any impact with the state dinner >> you'll see president yoon arrive at the white house this morning around 10:00 a.m., having a bilateral meeting followed by a joint pres conference and state dinner tonight. they'll make sure nobody sees any cracks in the alliance they have issues to talk about, how to guarantee south korean security in the face of continued north korean threat. i think you'll see them play down any impact from this leak at this point. >> i agree with peter. i think the bigger issue is going to be south korean insecurity it's a combination of north korean's relentless build up of nuclear forces and missile forces and second of all the threat at the end of the trump administration to pull the u.s.

forces still in south korea, to pull them out if south korea didn't spend more on defense and give what the trump administration wanted on trade since then the south koreans are looking for what's called a strategic reassurance. i think the centerpiece of this visit is going to be the united states promising that there will be more visits of nuclear capable systems around south korea. and second of all we will give them a larger more visible role in decision making so if there's a crisis and the question of north korea and nuclear use comes up, whatever, south korea will be part of the process of deciding what the united states and south korea can do this is so reminiscent of what went on with the united states and europe in the '50s and '60s when they said will you ever trade new york for paris, can we trust you? we're beginning to see the same insecurity in soeoul and if

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welcome back to "morning joe. look at that beautiful sunrise in washington d.c. it is 43 past the hour and today marks israel's 75th independence day, usually a unifying moment for the nation it's now marked with uncertainty. the country is still enduring the fallout of prime minister benjamin netanyahu's plan to overhaul the judiciary system as they're also facing massive demographic, political and social shifts. joining us live from jerusalem, josh letterman

josh >> reporter: mika, we've been listening throughout the morning to the sound of israeli fighting jets roaring over the city on this 75th independence day this day in israel is one of celebration, patriotism israelis, taking to the streets firing off fireworks into the air. those fighter jets a reminder of israel's triumphs over his external threats in the short hurric history. but this year the biggest threats are from within not outside. the birth of israel in 1948 for jews a return to a homeland. for palestinians, a catastrophe, the holdmeland destroyed 75 years later, israel is at a cross roads more divided than

ever this time about the country's democratic future. the sharp shift to the right raising questions about what israel will look like at 100. >> we are fighting for our democracy. we call it de facto dictatorship. >> reporter: for many it was whether the israel would be a priority now it's the ultra orthodox population growing faster than any other. >> the issue of whether there will be a majority of arabs or jews, it's jews but what kind of jews. >> the average woman in israel has 6.6 children secular just 2. >> the ultra orthodox population is growing at such a fast pace the population is doubling every generation, every 25 years. >> reporter: some economists say

that's unsustainable because many don't work or serve in the military pursuing a life of religious study instead. >> first of all they're our brothers, they're jews but we should find a way to send them into the labor force. >> reporter: chaim is a photographer whose work centers on his own community, the orthodox he said orthodox people do a lot for israel that secular people won't, like first aid, charity and recovering bodies after terror attacks he doubts they want the orthodox to serve in the army this barrier was built two decades ago, but it's a reminder while many people share the land the divisions are deeply entrenched >> one of the most hard things

to be living without an identity >> reporter: ahed makes his art in the west bank. >> this is how i see myself. not behind the wall, not in jerusalem, not in the west bank. i'm just flying over the city. >> reporter: he said the current far right government makes him hopeful that it will force the world to see israel for what it is. >> i think this is the beginning of the end of israel: >> is that a good thing or bad thing? >> it's good for the palestinians definitely. >> reporter: on israel's 75th birthday, tough questions about the future. >> what's the future if israel stays on the path. >> the end of israel. >> reporter: he says until now if i passed a torn flag i'd think nothing of it, just throw it away. but today it has a different

meaning. about how israel society is completely torn apart. and from israel to the west bank to the gaza strip it's difficult to overstate the level of deep frustration and pessimism over what this situation has come to when you ask people we spoke to, nobody has given up hope, mika >> josh letterman live in jerusalem, thank you very much for that report. richard haas we heard there from josh's reporting, the palestinian point of view about the strength of the israeli government talk about the internal challenges and the external challenges the country faces right now. >> first of all, i thought that was a sensational report that josh letterman just did. >> it was. >> when we think of israel the last 75 years we focus on

external challenges, egypt, syria, the october war and israel still faces the external challenges out of syria and iran but josh focused on the internal, two types, the palestine and the two-chance solution, the chances of that, they're on life support. something that we focused on, the diplomacy for decades, right now zero to work with. the israelis aren't there politically. palestinian are divided between hamas and the people in the west bank then you have the internal, and that's what's new. we've seen the protests over the judicial proposed reform and also

this is a country meeting its moment of truth. we talked about it a little bit here after january 6th, and we'll talk about it in terms of '24. we have our 250th anniversary of the declaration of independence in three years we're facing our moment of truth. this is israel facing its moment of truth, sooner and darker than anybody imagined. >> richard haass, thank you very much for that insight. more on the mounting legal trouble for former president donald trump the manhattan district attorney is seeking to block the former president from discussing evidence related to his recent indictment in a separate civil lawsuit against trump, it's underway right now in new york city we'll break down yesterday's opening statements "morning joe" will be right back

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absolutely gorgeous. it is wednesday, april 26th. it's only wednesday, jonathan lemire, he's still with us, along with susan page, and joining the conversation along with joe, willie, and me, msnbc contributor, mike barnicle, special correspondent at vanity fair and host of the fast politics podcast, molly jong-fast, and white house correspondent for "politico" and coauthor of the play book, eugene daniels joins us. >> was it more fun to watch the red sox last night or still no fun to watch the red sox. >> i have two words for you, caleb orr gives up a grand slam home run they are not fun to watch, joe, despite what you said yesterday. they're not fun to watch and then i turn the channel from caleb, and watch the celtics blow a big lead and lose in the last minute, so it's a terrible night. terrible night, but it's over. and i'm here today

>> glad to see you back, good morning. >> let's trade him to the celtics, it is too painful to watch. >> it's clear that caleb has chosen the wrong profession if we can say that, whether he would help the celtics at all, i don't know >> i can tell you're having second thoughts sitting here this morning you know, we covered it. celtics, terrible loss red sox did win, but go bruins, mike, come on. >> go bruins the bruins make him happy. >> i want to tell you the great news, george geist went 2 for 2 yesterday. >> tell us about it, willie. >> listen, he's got a nice stroke he hates this. he had a rope to center field, drove in a run, had a great game and a big win for his squad. >> go george >> i love it i know he hates it, but we love

him anyway. >> he loves it so much. >> just as much as jack loves it. >> jack loves it when i imitate a 5-year-old bavarian kid sitting down on sunday morning, watching "sunday today,". >> hello father, go willie here's jerry duran hitting a grand slam i'm going to show this to mike barnicle boston fans are the best in the world. just completely transformed his swing over year, and this is what happens and for mike, that's not good enough. >> that's a shot >> a grand slam boom and mike barnicle says the red sox are no fun. >> i'll smile when he hits the cut off man. >> okay. mika, we better get to the news. >> please. >> this isn't going to get anymore positive, it's very dark. president joe biden gave his

first speech of his reelection campaign yesterday in washington, d.c. addressing a crowd of union workers biden labeled himself the most pro union president in american history. and take through a list of his administration's accomplishments over the past two years. the president hammered home his new campaign slogan, let's finish the job and blasted his most likely 2024 opponent donald trump. >> the former president and the maga extremists are cut from a different cloth. the threat that maga republicans pose is to take us to a place we have never been and where the last guy tried to take us. under my predecessor, infrastructure week became a punch line on my watch, it's become a decade headline, a decade. we made a lot of progress because of all of you. but there's more to do so let's finish the job.

i've long said it's never been a good bet to bet against america, and i can honestly say as i stand here today, i have never been more optimistic about america's future we're on the cusp of major change, we're creating jobs again, manufacturing is coming alooif live again, towns are coming alive again because of you all and what we're doing now we just got to keep it going. finish the job >> i mean, he seems really great, actually, and energetic, and what what >> i'm just sitting here thinking about how there's one segment after another about how these people who support donald trump, oh, joe biden, he's too old, to this, molly, you look at donald trump even on his best days, even after he's gotten a lot of rest, he's had a couple of big macs and fries, and chocolate shakes, even when he's at the top of his game, he can't

do that. he can't talk policy he just rambles around you look at one interview after another. i'm not saying that joe biden is jfk when he's tired, when he's been on trips, when he's stuttering, sometimes he gets nervous. sometimes he doesn't present well, but you're never going to have donald trump present as well as that, ever, unless it's about hating minorities, hating the others, hating people who are different. like spewing hatred, he just can't talk policy like that. i'm not saying this to be facetious at all if joe biden goes out when he's ready to go out, if he, you know, if he handles the media the right way, the guy is going to be very strong in 2024, whether he's 80 or 82 or 83.

>> yeah, you keep seeing biden really overdeliver, and every time we sort of count him out, and there's a lot of anxiety, and people are worried, and, look, democracy is hinging on him maintaining the presidency, certainly if he's running against trump, that's true and, you know, so there's a lot riding on this, but every time he gets up there, he blows it out of the water, so i think he's humble in a way that he has never been, perhaps, because of his age, and he's very focused and he surrounds himself with good people, and every time i watch him speak, i'm pleasantly, you know, convinced that he is really the best biden we've ever had. >> and again, that's interesting you say that because mika who's known him for a very long time has been saying that over the past few years, that he actually is better now than he's been in the past politically and -- >> so the message is positive.

it's optimistic, and honestly, whether you agree with his policies or not, he's gotten a lot done and some would compare him to other historic figures and put him at the top of the list of accomplishments. that's not me showing, just list them and count and compare. >> as a matter of record, mike barnicle, joe biden has accomplished more in a bipartisan way than any president over the last 30, 40 years in his first term, hell in his first two years of his first term when he was being told by people on the left, far left, that he was never going to be able to deal with republicans, biden did it you look at 2022, and i misstated this the other day, let me get it right this time. joe biden was the first president since fdr in 1934 to

actually pick up gubernatorial seats in his first midterm election he did it in 2022, fdr did it in 1934, so this guy, as newt gingrich said in 2022, always being underestimated, not just by clowns on other news networks, look, he fell off his bike, look, he tripped all they can do is bring up hunter biden's laptop. they go, mika and i -- >> saying nasty things they're nasty, they talk about him being in adult diapers, they talk about him falling off of bikes. it's nasty, ugly stuff, and then when they go, he's tearing america apart, and they're asked how, they talk about hunter biden's laptop they've got nothing, and as newt gingrich said, after 2022, they always underestimate this guy like democrats underestimated

ike and like democrats underestimated reagan, and look at joe biden's big wins there. i put that up. that's the reality that joe biden's opponents just can't deal with, so they insult him personally >> yeah. >> well, the interesting thing, joe, to me is the coverage since the, you know, since his predictable announcement yesterday that he's going to run for reelection is the focus and you just mentioned, you just referenced several elements of his age that he's too old to be president, that he's this, that he's that. well, guess what, joe biden knows how old he is, and molly mentioned one significant aspect of his personality that plays out, i think, very well and will continue to play out very well his humility he has the humility of an ordinary person, not as a

president. he knows he's president. he's been wanting to be president for most of his adult life, and he is president of the united states, and he is very confident in his role as president. he knows what he's doing if people don't think he knows what he's doing, i refer you to what's going on in ukraine today. ukraine has more allies today than would have been unthought of two years ago joseph r. biden pulled that alliance together. he a i lone along with several others, european ministers who went along with him, pulled that alliance together, and it's going to be interesting to see what happens when the presumed opponent of president biden in the fall election for 2024, donald trump, if he were to receive the nomination, it's going to be interesting to see if the focus is going to be more on joseph r. biden's age and behavior as president, and

there's a lot of construction cranes all around the country. you can see the boom construction cranes. people are working people are doing okay. it's going to be interesting to see the contrast between that president of the united states, and the contender, the republican contender who is going to be forced to answer to the american public why he tried to destroy and undermine our democracy, our way of life our form of government, why he went out of his way to destroy that form of government in order to restore autocratic one man rule go ahead, try that on for size. >> as we pointed out in our last hour, there's new polling that shows donald trump performing terribly among independents, again, a long way to go. 18 months until election day but 29% of independents is not going to get the job done in a general election, and eugene daniels on the question of age, donald trump turns 77 on june 14th, so

we're talking about a separation of a couple of years here. it's not like donald trump is a young barack obama at 44, 45 years old. so the question, i guess, for the white house that you cover every day, eugene, is what this campaign looks like, how it obviously will be different from 2020, which was run from delaware because joe biden couldn't go out in the house and run rope lines and events because of the pandemic, but given everything we have just talked about, what does this campaign look like this time around >> i think the age question is one that the white house is sick of talking about and if they get donald trump as the republican nominee, they're golden, the republicans don't really have a leg to stand on when it comes to age if donald trump and joe biden are the nominees the white house has clearly chosen to have joe biden go out and be presidential. we released this video yesterday, very political, recasting this fight about freedom as something that democrats can run on, which is

new, right, this idea of that freedom and protecting democracy is something that democrats should be talking about a lot more this is usually a republican talking point about personal freedom. when you see his first event, it is not a political event he's not going out and hanging out with a bunch of donors, he's not speaking in front of the dnc and a bunch of strategists, he's talking to the unions, right, he's talking to people he's talked to a lot, he's talking about the ira, he's talking about how his infrastructure plan and how cranes are all other the country, and i think that is what they're doing there's obviously going to be political events, he's going to be on the road this is a white house that wants to have people see he is president. don't you like this? that is the goal of what they are trying to do i was with vice president harris at howard university yesterday, and it was slated as a political event. she had one line about the reelection, just saying she was excited to run again, so this entire campaign seems to be

let's focus on the issues. she talked about abortion a lot. she has been featured in the video quite a bit, quite more than other vice presidents, i think. in barack obama's reelection, joe biden wasn't even in it, so what they're saying to the american people, this is a team that is going to just focus on the issues we're going to talk about the politics, we're going to talk about our opponents and possible opponents, but they want people seeing them do their jobs. >> and we're going to get to molly's great piece on this in just a moment, but first, we want to talk about something that was said by russian foreign minister, sergey lavrov yesterday at the u.n it was unscheduled unscripted he just sort of blurted this out. take a look. >> translator: perhaps it would be useful to consider how things are with freedom of speech in the united states. i've heard that tucker carlson has left fox news. it's curious news. what is this related to?

one can only guess, but clearly the wealth of views in the american information space has suffered as a result >> well, this is interesting, especially since, i believe, there's a network reaching out to tucker. i don't know that that has russian ties, but what's going on there. >> the russian state government, you have sergey lavrov who has been, of course, supporting the illegal invasion of ukraine, the war crimes against ukraine, we have two things happen yesterday, one, sergey lavrov mourning the fact that tucker carlson is no longer able to spout what he considers to be pro russia talking points. you saw that on russian television all the time, people playing tucker carlson clips you had another interesting thing happening, "politico" reporting that the pentagon was gleeful, celebrating that a guy

who attacked the united states military basically doing russia's bidding, who attacked the united states military and china's bidding, as much as tucker carlson did, even saying that u.s. helicopters used in afghanistan that the military was going to send them to the united states to kill americans who voted for donald trump, the united states military leaders at the pentagon grateful that you have a guy that constantly was spouting anti-u.s. military comments finally off of an american network >> explain to me why the russian foreign minister felt compelled to comment on a cable tv anchor in america and his future. we should be asking tony blinken the next time he sits down with reporters, his views on russian anchors. it's perplexing. maybe you have an explanation

why the russian foreign minister thought this was number one in his purview, and number two, helpful to him to issue this comment on >> molly, maybe you can provide some insight for us, molly the thing is, again, i can't underline this enough, there was a host on an american network who constantly attacked the united states military and told millions of americans that the united states military was going to bring helicopters that they used in war in afghanistan to kill americans in the united states who voted for donald trump. that was the dark overture of that along with law enforcement officers from the fbi were going to come and kick down doors to go after people who voted for donald trump i mean, lavrov and the russians could not have had a better, more propaganda points from a

guy who said why wouldn't i support vladimir putin in the invasion of ukraine. >> yeah, i mean there were so many times where you would match up what tucker carlson was saying, and what you were seeing on russian tv. i would say if you're an american cable tv news host, you want to live your life so that sergey lavrov is not upset when you get fired, and working it into the conversation. obviously tucker carlson looms large for these people and that is probably not a great thought. >> and, you know, what is so crazy, what is so crazy, jonathan lemire, is fox news is owned by the same company that has a reporter who is rotting in russian jail right now talk about a house divided against itself i'm not exactly sure why he was

fired, but he certainly wasn't fired for saying things that played right into russian television's propaganda every night. he wasn't fired for that but you actually have a "wall street journal" reportiner rottg in jailright now, kidnapped by the same russian government that tucker carlson was saying i have nothing against them why wouldn't i be for vladimir putin? i think at one point he may have said that he was cheering for russia we'll get the exact quote to make sure we have that right. >> no, he did. early on in the conflict, he suggested that he was -- he said it, and i'm sure we can find the clip that he was rooting for russia it was the early days of the invasion, but he did say it. the "wall street journal" reporter, the last we saw him was last week. he was in a russian courtroom,

he was in a cage he was in a cage. >> and tucker carlson doesn't know why he shouldn't be cheering against vladimir putin? what's going on here why do you have sergey lavrov bemoaning the fact he's gone why do you have rt television saying they want to hire him why constantly were they playing his clips on russian television on their main propaganda network show >> i'm sorry, really random, but kevin mccarthy, why give him the january 6th tapes? >> and that's who kevin mccarthy gives the tapes to >> clearly the russians thought that tucker carlson was useful, that he was spreading a message they wanted to get out there they were happy to amplify him on their own air waves and the

state television has offered him a job were he to take it on the idea that tucker carlson was spreading this sort of information, domestically and international talking points, eugene daniels, let's hear a little more about the story that joe just brought up there about some people, relief in the pentagon that fox news, which is so often on the tvs and military bases, i have seen it traveling with the president, you have as well, i'm sure, that he's no longer on their air waves. tell us more about it. >> i'm a military brat at every appointment, doctors appointment, on pulse, we would see fox news up. that is a large part of military culture, and you know, the story that our colleagues did, it was about these military officials, folks in d.o.d. who have had beef with tucker carlson going back and forth for years you know, since joe biden walked into office, tucker carlson talked about how the military was weaker now that they were

focusing on culture and bringing in more diversity, attacking military leaders for doing that. he attacked them when talking about women in the service john kirby who was then a spokesman for the department of defense rebuked tucker carlson, which isn't something that usually happens. we constantly heard and read in the story is that they said they were sick of him bagging on the military, and one person told our colleagues, good riddance, and that's something that you heard over and over and over again because, you know, this is a man who as a part of the republican party and media apparatus, used to talk about how the military was good. they used to talk about how strong our government would be, how strong the united states would be as long as we have a strong military. but going after military leaders for all of these types of things over and over, he has no friends or has few friends in the upper e

echelons of the dod leadership at the expense of -- and you talk to them, really, it's about how foreign leaders, foreign adversaries see our military, when you have someone like tucker carlson who was seen as a voice of the right talking about how our military isn't prepared, it's weaker, more people of color, lgbtq plus, and so yeah, that story i would suggest a lot of people read it. very insightful. you don't hear a lot of d.o.d. officials talking about media personalities. >> yeah, how interesting you have the russian foreign minister mourning it, and you have the united states military celebrating it >> it's not just a coincidence >> at a time, constantly, and there are republicans actually in the house who are constantly attacking united states military and in the senate who say they wish our military could be more like russia's military, really really do you really want us to be that bad? do you really want us to be that weak

because right now, again, in my travels across the world, i can tell you the united states military is more feared today than it's ever been. they're seen as more powerful today than they've ever been and if you don't believe it, ask the 500 or so russians who tried to bum rush our troops when they were in syria. that lasted a couple of minutes. they had to bury 500 russians because you put 2,500 of our military men and women in the middle of syria, 2,500, think about this, 2,500, they wipe out isis, they stop the iranians from advancing they stopped the russians from advancing. the russians didn't like them there. guess what, they just had to deal with it, because it didn't go well when they tried to get them out of there. assad put in his place i could go on and on

and let me say this, too, everybody's saying, oh, 2,500 people in afghanistan. 2,500 u.s. troops in afghanistan, they'll never be able to hold the country down. really, what happened when we took those 2,500 people out of afghanistan? 2,500 troops was able -- just 2,500 u.s. troops were able to hold an entire country together. was it pretty? no no, it wasn't. there were still problems. but they maintained order. you remove u.s. troops, those 2,500 troops from afghanistan, and all hell breaks loose. all chaos breaks loose you do that in syria, trump wanted to take our 2,500 people out of syria and kept knocking them down, knocking them down, knocking them down the fact is the u.s. military is stronger today than its ever been and republicans shamelessly,

jonathan lemire, in congress, keep -- not most, but back benchers, who would echo what tucker carlson said, to shamelessly attack our military, claiming they're weak, claiming they should be more like russians, when, in fact, the russians would give anything to have a military that was 1/10 as strong, 1/10 as potent, 1/10 as powerful as the united states armed forces, and one other thing, too, it wasn't just the woke attacks against our military that was so revolting, it was the fact that fox news broadcast that the united states military was going to take helicopters that they used in afghanistan to kiltl terrorists and kill people who voted for donald trump they said it they let that go out under their

name it's disgusting, so if we want to understand exactly why our heroes that have served this country proudly in uniform through one war after another defending our nation, we're glad when he left, and why sergey lavrov and russia was sad when he left, you don't have to look much further than those examples >> we certainly know there are plenty of republicans that have created a cult of personality around putin, admiring their leadership we know one of the people who have done that, donald trump speaking of things that went out on fox news air, the quote that tucker carlson said, why do i care what is going on in the conflict between ukraine and russia, carlson said, and i'm serious. why do i care? why shouldn't i root for russia, which i am now, much later in the show, he did a little clean up. he ended the show saying this, before you go, earlier in the show i noted i was rooting for russia in the contest between

russia and ukraine, of course i'm joking i'm only rooting for america mocking the obsession many on the left have, and then he did his laugh. but certainly, willie, that is a void now with tucker carlson off fox news he don't know who his replacement is going to be some of the talking points will persist, and in part shape this republican primary battle. >> a lot of members of congress felt like they had to go on with tucker occasionally and say, yes, we question whether or not we should be sticking with ukraine, how much support we should give, perhaps they'll be backing off that position, some of them, anyway. >> the answer to sergey lavrov and tucker carlson, why they have twinned together, joe has raised it a couple of times this morning. i think the answer is simple neither man really understands america. neither man. lavrov or tucker they understand themselves they understand propaganda, but they don't understand this country. and with regard to the american

military, the american military is indeed the finest fighting force the world has ever seen. >> amen. >> but it's something else, joe, it's something else. it delivers security to many nations around the globe, just the visibility of the american military has a calming effect on people and nations that feel threatened by internal difficulties the american military delivers aspirins, help, relief, flood relief, famine relief to nations all around the world every single day the american military does more than fight, does more than shoot people, does more than attack people, does more than defend people it helps people and nations around the globe always has, always will. >> always will. >> look no further than the 82nd airborne and the u.s. military in poland, especially when millions of ukrainian refugees were crossing the border into poland, and there they were, and

it was honestly -- it brought you to tears to see how grateful these ukrainians who have had to flee their homeland and these pols who wanted to pull together for them both sides looking at the u.s. military setting up beds, setting up tents, setting up everything they needed so quickly you couldn't believe it. it was overnight, practically. they had it down. >> and now just legendary units of the u.s. military, and they're permanent now, you have a permanent u.s. military presence there and, mark, mika's brother who's over there, mark said it was extraordinary walking through the same streets that hitler had invaded and the same cities that hitler had crushed. >> that my father fled. >> and thestalin came through a

subjected them to one tyrannical leader after another, and they watched the men and women of the 82nd airborne walk through the streets. they came up hugging them. they came up shaking their hands, thanking them because they were looking at that, and they said it's not going to happen this time it's not going to happen because the united states military is here, and their presence is here, and we can live in peace finally. it's amazing. >> and as mike said, it's been going on for generations and generations and generations. pick an international conflict, the united states military has been there molly, we talked a little bit about your piece, let's read from it, van ity fair, molly writes about the trouble it finds itself in, realizing some of their long held agenda items, molly writes, quote, these right wing fantasies are finally coming to fruition, and it turns out the american people don't

like it. republicans have painted themselves into a conor. not only extremely dangerous policies but also bad politics, the further right republicans go, the scarier an authoritarian they seem and likely are molly continues, trump and trumpism are not necessarily the republican party's fundamental problems, a symptom of the republican party's addiction to bad ideas, and chief among them, molly is abortion. >> yeah. >> this 50 year fight to reverse roe v. wade, they got their wish back in june, and now dealing with the consequences of it politically. >> yeah, that was a sort of amazing moment because there have been so much punditry that said nobody is going to care, roe is baked in, it's not going to be such a big deal. and it was seismic, and since then democrats have over delivered, you know, almost every election that's happened, except in the ruby red states, and that's because those swing voters hate this right? they hate it they may not have loved

abortion, but they don't like the idea of going backwards when it comes to rights, and that is a real problem and the supreme court, you know, they did a lot of radical stuff in the last session, and you saw with this decision about the abortion pill that they have like stopped, and, you know, you saw they had to pull back because they realized they were actually doing damage to the republican party, which i had sort of thought would come along anyway. i mean, it is so shocking to take away a right after 50 years, and i don't think people understood just what the enormous effect of that would be >> and this corner that you talk about that they painted themselves into is on display with abortion. you have ron desantis signing a six-week abortion ban, a guy that wants to potentially win a general election with a six-week abortion ban on his record, and on the question of guns, as well, which indemnities, and by the way, a lot of republicans want some of the background checks, safe storage, all the things we have talked about around weapons that are killing people in this country every day.

>> republicans are pushing constitutional care, which has nothing to do with the constitution but is about this permitless carry, this idea that you won't need training, you won't need a permit, you can conceal a weapon that is exactly what the american people don't want and there are more strange examples like these child labor laws, which are wildly unpopular and getting passed in the middle of the night that is, you know, there is no one out there who's like, yes, i want children to work in factories, this is what i want from the republican party. >> that's unbelievable >> and yet they bore into them, maybe not that one, but they bore into some of these positions, deeper and deeper special correspondent at vanity fair, another great piece, pomoll jong fast. >> thank you, molly, and "politico's" eugene daniels, thank you as well. >> it really is unbelievable, and susan page, i love how molly put that, it's not like americans love abortion. it's not like americans are comfortable with abortion, you

look at poll after poll, there's deep unease on both sides, right? and there have been for a very long time. but that bottom line, do you want roe v. wade overturned? that's been a 70/30 proposition for a very long time republicans get that, though, by judicial fiat, overturn a 50-year constitutional right that only 30% of americans support, and then republicans amp it up, they turn it up to eleven and start doing these extreme bills in the state legislature that make 10-year-old girls flee after they're raped and you have gubernatorial candidates actually saying a 14-year-old girl being raped by her uncle is a perfect example of why we have to have state sanctioned and state forced births. >> you know, joe, as long as abortion was a constitutionally protected right, the one issue

voter on abortion was someone who opposed abortion rights and that has been changed on its face, transformed so today with all of these incursions, all of these limits on access to abortion across the country, the single issue voter on abortion now is someone supporting abortion rights. that is really a sea change in american politics. >> it really is. susan page, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> and still ahead on "morning joe," michigan governor gretchen whitmer, the cochair of president biden's reelection campaign joins us on the heels of yesterday's 2024 announcement. plus, house speaker kevin mccarthy could face his first big test, his bill to raise the debt ceiling could get a vote on the house floor as early as today. we'll talk to the director of white house office of management and budget about his plan. also ahead, actor, ll liev schreiber joins us with a

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speaker mccarthy and house republicans want to force working americans to accept either a punch to the gut or a blow to the head i urge speaker mccarthy to stop wasting any more time on this d.o.a., dead on arrival bill time is running out for congress to work together to avoid catastrophe. >> all right senate majority leader chuck schumer addressing the debt ceiling proposal from house republicans. speaker kevin mccarthy says the measure should get a full house vote today, though he still may not have enough republican votes for it to pass joining us now, director of the office of management and budget shalanda young where does this stand? if republicans can get this through, what does the white

house think of the republican proposal where does the negotiation go from there >> mika, you know, i always like to take a step back here, because this can sound overly compli complicated for those who don't live this day in and day out, what are we talking about? congressional republicans have a bill that says we'll avoid default. we'll help the american people out, but only in exchange for some unrelated policies, and millions of dollars in cuts to programs that working families depend on. we're talking about veterans' medical care, nutrition for seniors like meals on wheels, rail safety, faa cuts, vague on purpose, because when american people hear what the details are here, they're not for it and that's why the president has been crystal clear, take default off the table. let's not even flirt with default. remember in 2011, we flirted with, we didn't default, but our

credit rating suffered we're america, we pay our bills. let's not play politics with the full faith and credit of the united states. >> so where's the room for negotiation on this if there is any? is it too vague to negotiate on it do you wait until their vote to see if they can get it through could republicans argue democrats have done the same thing by adding on their own, you know, pet policies or programs they want to cut? >> mika, it's simple, i worked on the hill for 14, 15 years on these various spending deals i was the top staffer on the appropriations committee guess what, in a bipartisan way, every year, talk about what is the appropriate spending level for every single program let's do that. we have a process to do that why are we holding default, the possibility of default hostage for a spending debate we have to have with each other we just did it in december both parties came together, funded the government, decided

what was the right amount for these various programs, and we did it together. let's do that again. but we shouldn't be flirting with default in this country >> director young, good morning, jonathan lemire, we should note it was early morning, about 2:30, the house republicans seem to have struck some sort of deal, we're not sure in mccarthy has all the votes, but it seems it's advancing to a vote to the floor. we want to get your reaction to one other piece of it, the cbo, congressional budget office, you know well, determined that the gop's debt limit bill will reduce deficits by 4.8 trillion over ten years president biden has spoken about the need to trim the deficit as well is there some sort of common ground there over that if not, what are the objections to that idea, that plan from the gop? >> you're absolutely right we saw a bill that had many cuts, i've laid out what some of those are, but guess what it

isn't. it isn't a budget which the president put out, you would lay out your tax policy, what other spending do they want to do. today we cut $4.8 trillion in programs that help working families in this country tomorrow, we support -- republicans support tax policies that would add $3 trillion, depending on what estimate you use, so all of those cuts will not be realized when you take all the policies that congressional republicans have supported in the past. that's what i talk about in the vagary it's up to them to figure out what they want to do with this bill, but we stand ready to talk about values, who you're for in this country, what's the right tax policy, how you spend it, how you achieve real deficit reduction, both parties are going to have to come together to do that. >> director of the office of management and budget, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning it's good to see you thanks coming up, how private

equity runs and wrecks america, a new book traces the 30-year history of corporate takeovers in america we'll talk to the authors, next, on "morning joe.

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♪ that's a beautiful live picture from the top of our building here at rockefeller center after a once in a generation pandemic that pushed america's hospitals to the breaking point the country's health care system is facing renewed scrutiny, and many of the questions involve the dominance of the private equity care. gretchen morganson and joshua

roster, the authors of a new book titled "these are the plunders." what it is exactly what what is private equity? >> it's a business practice where a company will be accompanied and then streamlined, whether that means firing people, cutting costs, extracting assets, and then it will be sold five to seven years after the acquisition to a company at a higher price. it sounds okay, and fine, like capitalism is supposed to work that way but in actuality, it's a poisonous example of capitalism. >> i mentioned health care, and hospitals, many of them, they

need the money and they become for profit centers how does that transition work and what does that mean for a hospital >> they will use debt to take out a hospital, restructure the staffing, reduce -- >> fire people >> fire people consolidate, so they own not one hospital but many hospitals, and then all of a sudden the view is we don't need as many beds or ventilators, and in an industry where efficiency isn't what it should be run for but for patient outcomes, and as a result you end up seeing hospitals fail, and nurses and doctors burnout and walk away, and you find patients with much worse outcomes >> yeah, they own the hospitals for five to seven years and they try to bleed out everything they

can out of it. >> for hospitals it's particularly problematic, and we interviewed doctors who have been fired, for example, for speaking out practices that put patients at risk, especially during covid but before that as well did you know 40% of the nation's emergency departments of run by private equity emergency departments. you go there when you are at your most vulnerable you are not going to ask the question, is this doctor interested in my outcome, in my health you are not going to know to say, wow, are they more worried about the bottom line than they are worried about my personal health and well-being, and that's the question with such a dominant force in emergency departments and hospitals in general. >> it's not just hospitals it sounds as if there are huge

elements of american corporate life have been taken over by absentee landlords, to use a metaphor >> that's right. >> and in practice, what is happening, all twinned with that, is the thinning out of middle american medium-sized market newspapers, so there's no coverage of this at a local level, and that's a deadly combination. >> and the conflicts of interest in the business owned by equity and the public, and then you end up seeing the main street businesses, large boxes, but, you know, the big box stores end up failing because of the debt and the impact that has on main street is still not part of a broader conversation, and it's not understood private equity owns these businesses. >> what is the future here is there any sense this trend

will do anything but accelerate? >> it has really accelerated and we are hopeful we can see action from the government. the department of justice and the ftc has started to make noise about scrutinizing these acquisitions to make sure they are not anti-competitive activities going on, and there are not monopolies going on here >> josh, let's look at the other side of this briefly, which is some of the companies need investment and are in dire streets and turn to a private equity >> private equity itself doesn't need to be a bad thing if you are coming in and increasing the strength of the company, and you are a long-term investor in the company, and that's not what ends up happening, that would be productive and that would be the

ideal. often what ends up happening is they come in and load the company up with a debt, and it's not the private equity firm taking out the debt to build the business they put it on to the company so the company actually becomes weaker rather than stronger and less able to survive if you were to do it as a long-term investment, more equity and less debt, and really getting your money out quickly, which is what private equity tends to do. it could be positive for society, or a different business model, but we are watching the extraction of wealth >> it's pensions and the areas they look to cut often costs teachers, firefighters and cops money they put into the system already. >> the circle of pain here is broad and extensive. you have taxpayers who have to pick up the freight when a private equity goes in and a

company goes bankrupt and they don't have a tax base anymore in the town there are an enormous amount of people hurt. >> i am glad you are shining a light on it. thank you so much. good to see you both >> thanks, willie. coming you know at the top of the hour, cory booker of new jersey is standing by. and we have a preview of today's hearing on reproductive rights in here. then governor gretchen whitmore of michigan will be here to talk about that when "morning joe" comes back if i hadn't seen it in person, i wouldn't have believed it. eating is believing steph. the subway series. try subway's tastiest menu upgrade yet.

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since i have the mic and joe doesn't, that is not my apartment. it never has been and never will be there you go no, it's not come on, sit down. you're walking around. welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 26th -- >> why don't you ever invite me and willie up there? >> joe is here i just -- >> i don't see him >> you know -- hey, listen, this is. >> what are you doing? way to go, t.j.? >> please help me. please help me this is what i deal with, okay this is what i deal with every day. i need you to sit down >> i am pulling up my -- >> oh, my god.

>> i am going to fire him. >> no, you are not we love t.j. do we want to get to the news now? do you want to do the show willie, take the top story so -- >> did joe have the top button open, too, like after thanksgiving dinner? >> yeah, i just made him steak and eggs >> let's recenter and refocus. we are at the top of the hour just after 8:00 here on east coast. chinese president, xi jinping, spoke with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy by phone this morning he said he is pushing for peace and china will send a special representative to ukraine to conduct talks. president zelenskyy tweeted about the call a short time ago, calling it long and meaningful,

and this is the first time they have spoke since russia invaded ukraine. >> yeah, we have heard from president biden as well as some of the european counterparts urging xi jinping to talk to zelenskyy, and zelenskyy believes if he understands he would side with them, and xi did host putin and visited moscow not long ago, but this is not that but it's a step forward. as pressure mounts to try and find some sort of diplomatic solution to this battle, potentially after ukraine's counter offensive, this is a step in the right direction. we will see what it yields and if china is going to change its

stance to moscow the u.s. has been clear that beijing has been helping moscow all along, at least economically during this invasion >> joe, it's a phone call, and it's a step but there's a lot of frustration around the world that president xi has not applied more pressure on putin >> well, willie, the geopolitical -- have i made the switch is that okay >> yeah, i don't think that's what you sound like, but, okay >> it's an important call in that china obviously wants to be part of the world order that it has been trying to build since actually -- and i mean this, since 1979, when ping came to the house and had the first state dinner, and since 1979 they have been building a

country designed to dominate the existing world order vladimir putin is looking at the world collapse -- >> i am dialed in and i just had a flashback to four minutes ago, but i am good. >> traumatizing. >> yeah, i looked like a character out of "hee-haw. anyway, china -- should i just give up? >> yeah, just save it. >> let's bring in cory booker. >> sorry, senator. >> look at this. >> we apologize. >> he's a member of the foreign relations and judiciary committee. >> maybe he can do this? i have been exposed as a bit

player on "hee-haw," once again, senator booker i will throw it to you how important is this phone call between xi and zelenskyy >> it's significant. we have been saying for a long time the determination of the ukrainians, the incredible show of strength they have shown to the world stage, and conversations like this are really critical. i remind you that this is a putin war, and it's his choice putin and xi have been having lots of conversations. zelenskyy is trying to defend his country, defend the interritorial part of this nation i think talking to russian proxies or allies is a good step >> sometimes we are talking about russia and china and people are being whipped into a

frenzy about powerful they are and how weak we are, and we forget the united states and the eu combined, our gdp is approaching $50 trillion to china's $20 trillion to russia's 1.2 or $3 trillion china has to deal with the united states. china has to deal with europe, don't they, if they want their economies to continue growing? >> 100%. we have incredible strength. this is one of the great achievements of the biden foreign policy he has been able to unite western stations to stand as one in a way that russia severely underestimates and shocked and surprised china as well. we get a chance to show we have through our economic strengths to have power set on democratic values and principles. i this has been an important

stance we have taken and russia and china have taken notice. >> i would like to jump to the hearing today on reproductive rights i think a lot of women across america are feeling extremely discouraged about where things stand in terms of their health what can be done and what do you plan to look at in this hearing? >> well, we know this is not a partisan issue from kansas to kentucky this is women at large are seeing what is perhaps one of the most radical roll backs of individual freedoms and rights that should belong with a woman, her family and her doctor. the consequences of this have been stunning. we're seeing children who are victims of rape and incest not be able to access medical care in their own states. we are seeing women who are facing serious medical conditions, miscarriage circumstances and more, as we will have one witness testify to

today. we are in a distraught presence that is threatening the lives of americans and stripping freedoms from women on both sides of the aisle and an independence they recognize is theirs. in this hearing we will talk to what are the options we have here the biden administration has been taking important steps on mifepristone and trying to protect access with this radical chord, it's continuing to erode basic freedoms i think most americans are beginning to realize we have to find solutions to this public health crisis. >> senator, good morning, as you point out, this is not a political issue to millions of women across the country, although sometimes we talk about it in that way, but it's hurting republicans and helping democrats, and this is a health issue to millions of women what do you say to the women in

florida, where ron desantis signed a six-week ban was signed, what do you tell them right now? >> right now, again, we are going to do everything we can to preserve pathways and we are doing it through the u.s. military that is causing a lot of fights here in congress, and we are doing it through the challenges on the assault on mifepristone we have a rough road ahead this is not in any way a time to sit on the sidelines all americans should realize this is a fund mental crisis in our country where not -- intellectually people are being hurt every day, and the lives of women are at risk every single day. that means we have to start pushing -- if we can't get it done through congress, these elections come up not just on the federal level, but in states as well in the state

legislators, they are doing these outrageous things about women's rights i am not talking about traditional left or democratic organizations, but i am seeing women organizing across the country with others to begin to take back the rights that most americans overwhelmingly believe that americans should have >> senator, it seems to many people that the word abortion itself, they don't like the word it's a brutal, brutal word to many people in their minds the reality of what has happened here, the supreme court, you just described the supreme court as a radical supreme court, they have taken a right away from women largely, who have had that right for half a century, not 50 years, but half a century and

it's cataclysmic that right has been removed by the court without using the word abortion >> when you politicize things regardless of -- again, republican or democrat, i prefer just to talk about the women i hear from in my office people call me, i am a new jersey senator but i get calls from around the country and the stories of gut-wrenching a woman who is making some of the most important decisions in her life, whether to have a child, whether to bring one to term despite dangers or challenges, when they encounter difficulties, they should have all the options available to protect their lives. the fact that we have rolled back health care, abortion care, we have put many women at risks. tens of thousands of women have that had to leave their states

to try and find health care they need often in circumstances that delays further endangering and risking their lives. this is about real people and the most intimate decisions we make as human beings this should not be the purview of a right-wing supreme court. this right that was fought for a half century ago, should remain with the woman, her family, her faith and her doctor >> senator, before you go, i wanted to ask you about the judiciary committee wanting to hear from supreme court justice roberts on some ethical issues he declined to testify at the ethics hearing i'm curious, because it came -- it became known over recent weeks that justice clarence thomas has been receiving pretty

extensive gifts over the years, trips up to $500,000 in value. his mother's home bought and paid for from a republican donor. it seems like in any other situation that this would be exposing legally why wouldn't justice roberts want to come and talk about these concerns >> i read his words closely of the reason why, and he said he talked about it being a rare thing for a chief justice to come before the judiciary committee. i agree. it's a very rare thing when the united states of america, when our citizens and body of politics see judges acting in ways so extreme and out of line with what we would think would be basic ideas offe ethics.

we see the supreme court at its lowest polling in view of legitimacy i did not think so much of the work we would be do something protecting our democracy and institutions we cannot allow our court to further lose its legitimacy, and we have an obligation to address these issues and it should be done in a open forum and hearing. it's the only court that does not have a written code of ethics we see things happening right now that are so out of line with what most americans believe should be decency. >> yeah. >> i will say this, we as lawyers know about the avoidance

of improprieties >> yeah, it's improper if it was a federal judge and a supreme court justice, it might be worst. what is the next step. does the committee just stop asking questions and turn away or is there some way to look at what has happened here and consider -- i don't know, consequences what do you think should be next >> i think we should hold a hearing regardless of his presence it's unfortunate that we wouldn't have this dialogue with him, but there are still a lot of issues that we can bring forward in a judiciary committee that could be important to the public dialogue. i hope it could inspire people, senators, who are not concerned about this court but concerned about the court for the time -- for the years to come, that we have a crisis here and we need to do things that we make sure our highest court in the land in

many ways is held to the highest ethical standards. >> to follow-up on what the senator said, confidence in the united states supreme court is at historic lows, and we can talk about the financial issues. you also have to talk about january 6th, and ginni thomas, and clarence thomas being a sole decenter that involved things that his wife was actively engaged in, and the emails that she was communicating with her best friend, clarence thomas, and we were talking about matters involving the protection of american democracy. are there no lines anymore in the supreme court. are there no ethical lines there anymore when it comes especially to clarence thomas >> there can't be a

shamelessness. we're not a authoritarian nation we are a democracy that is supposed to have checks and balances nobody is above the law. nobody is above the three branches working as our founders intended for him not -- on an issue of this severity that is everyday further impinging the representation of the court at a time when we need to be strengthening democratic institutions, i am just really deeply appalled that the chief justice won't come and have this kind of dialogue, won't find a forum in which we can start getting to the bottom of these matters and hear more clearly what we can do to address them together >> it's not right. democratic senator, cory booker of new jersey, thank you very much for being on this morning we appreciate it >> thank you

president biden's re-election campaign today released its first national tv spot here's part of the ad. >> in small towns and big cities we raise our heads, our eyes, our hearts for america, for the idea of this great country joe biden is running for re-election to make certain the sun will not set on this flag, the promise of american democracy will not break >> democracy must not be a partisan issue, it's an american issue. as your president i will defend your democracy with every fiber in my being, and i am asking for every american to join me. >> for freedom, for democracy, for america, joe biden >> how fascinating in that clip joe biden said in the state of the union address, democracy should not be a partisan issue, it should be an american issue

the republican speaker of the house would not stand up and applaud for that while others in the chamber were doing -- my gosh, just about what every american could do. let's bring out governor whitmer. the question is will michigan go as blue in '24 as it did in '22? what needs to be done now between now and november to get that wish? >> it's good to be here. obviously we have seen real impacts from policies that democrats are leaning on and has yielded positive election results here, and we can't take anything for granted i think the president's work around the inflation reduction act or bringing home supply chains and focusing on american jobs and improving the quality of peoples' lives, and

protecting our freedoms, and that's front and center for so many voters now and was in the last election. people expect to have fundamental freedoms to live as who you are and love who you love and being able to join our voices in the workplace and get good benefits, and all this is at risk here the fundamental of american democracy is front and center for voters and that's going to be important going into this upcoming presidential election >> republicans, democrats, independents, they want to be able to send their kids to kindergarten or to michigan state or any other college in michigan and across the country without being worried they are going to be gunned down because of reckless extreme gun laws passed by legislators that have nothing to do with the second amendment. how important of an issue do you

think abortion and guns, which republicans have used for decades in their favor, but now with their increasingly extreme opinions, how do you think it will hurt them >> well, they didn't want to use about common sense against measures or use the word abortion and let women make the decision about whether or not they bear a child. people are focused and understood i talk to people across the state of michigan that simply want peace of mind knowing if they drop their kids off at school they would be able to pick them up kids deserve to get an education without worrying if they are going to be shot at school these have been abridged by extreme policies for too long. we are expanding the freedom to

be safe by having common sense gun safety laws in michigan, and other states are rolling it back and this is at the heart of the issue of where we are as a nation and what the conversation is and why joe biden is a person protecting us every single day >> governor, good morning. as you know very well this presidential election in 2024 will be decided in your state and in wisconsin and pennsylvania, and joe biden flipped back to democrats in 2020 what is your sense of the enthusiasm of not just democrats but independents to be out there again in 2024, whether it's in support of joe biden or as a protest vote against donald trump? >> people want leaders who they can trust and have integrity and can get things done, and the biden administration has shown that's the brand of joe biden

and kamala harris ticket, and it's what they have been delivering on. they focused on culture wars but solving problems and they will work with anybody to get things done i think that's something that is really important we saw tremendous enthusiasm from 18 to 29-year-old voters and a historic high in this last election, and i think young voters are fired up and worried about climate and guns and individual rights and they are speaking with their votes. this president has got a body of work he can show that he delivered on and he makes a seat at the table for anyone, and that means independent-minded or traditional republicans who are looking at the state of the party right now and don't recognize it, and they are able to find a seat at the table with this administration and certainly will continue to get the message out and welcome everyone who wants to solve problems and protect american democracy. >> governor, good morning.

the president has certainly spent a lot of time in michigan in the last 2 1/2 years. yesterday he kicked off his campaign and then spoke to union workers that plays well in your state as well. just speaking of the challenges that he and republicans at large do face in your state particularly on the issue of inflation, which is still running high >> i think at the end of the day people want to know if you are working hard, you are going to be able to get ahead michigan has benefited from the biden policies if you have a good-paying job and your fundamental freedoms are intact, that's the american dream, right, to make sure that your kids also have a path to prosperity that's what this administration has been focused on. there are so many distractions out there, but telling the story and showing the results -- showing the receipts, when we are building chips in america, that means good-page jobs, and

it means homeland security, and it means the strength of american manufacturing, which we all came to see was important when we were dealing with covid and supply chain issues. this administration is solving problems that are making lives better and it's crucial that story continues to get told, and with so many distractions out there, it's one of the biggest challenges to show where we are headed and what we have done >> thank you for being on the show this morning. we appreciate it good to see you. >> thank you still ahead on "morning joe," as president biden announces a 2024 re-election campaign, donald trump launches a new attack against ron desantis we will take a look at that new ad disney plus is coming out with a new series on the inspiring story of the woman who hid anne frank and her family from the

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former president donald trump's campaign released this new ad >> ron desantis was failing so bad he was losing by a staggering 17 points then desantis was saved by the endorsement of president trump trump's support was so powerful, just two days after the endorsement desantis took a commanding lead and it propelled him to being elected >> i would like to thank our president for standing by me when it was not necessarily the smart thing to do. >> you're welcome, ron

unfortunately, instead of being grateful desantis is attacking the very man that saved his career isn't it time desantis remembers how he got to where he is. >> america american great again, and then mr. trump said, you're fired. i love that part >> the truth is, there's only one person that can make america great again. >> it's actually funny wow. >> yeah. willie, it's not true that trump has a better shot at beating biden, but i don't think we are going to see ron desantis against biden if this continues the way it is. it seems desantis is just -- everything he's doing is wrong is he -- >> it seems counterintuitive >> he says he will stay in tallahassee until the legislative session is over and he's flying across the world and meeting world leaders -- >> skips the flooding in ft.

lauderdale >> yeah, it's hard to imagine how anybody can botch the advantages he had a month or two ago. >> yeah, it's hard to watch. we talked about it many times, ron desantis when he was running years ago, insisting his children build the wall with the little blocks they play with this was a guy that showered praise on donald trump and now is thinking about or perhaps going to run against him what is the strategy what is the contrast how are you going after donald trump? if you are not, you don't have a chance he's doing what he did to jeb bush all those years ago, which was to vaporize the primary threat to his candidacy, and ron desantis is not making good moves if he's rolling out a

campaign, which is including a six-week abortion ban which will not make that helpful if he makes it to the election >> yeah, so many republican donors are sounding the alarm here, those who don't want to back trump anymore that say we need to turn the page and we need a fresh voice, and they were coalescing around desantis. now there's a lot of second thoughts because they feel desantis is hurting himself in a general election that ad is devastating, to use the old clip, mr. trump says you are fired and to build that wall that's tough stuff we have seen the trump campaign out maneuver him and donald trump might go to tallahassee and talk to florida lawmakers, and that's possible that he is trying to steal more support from desantis' backyard, and many are saying maybe somebody else can be the trump

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it's curious news. what is this related to one can only guess, but clearly the wealth of views and of the american information space has suffered as a result >> wow >> richard, it's extraordinary it really is you have russian television offering him a job as soon as he is fired and you have the russian foreign minister talking about this situation we could laugh and roll our eyes about it -- >> i don't think it's funny. >> this is not a laughing matter there are journalists here -- well, not journalists, but there are people who put themselves out as journalists that have news letters and you read the news letters and they are literally picking up russian propaganda spread from the russian kremlin and publishing

for american audiences and basically anybody that hates joe biden are just lapping all this russian propaganda up. >> they are holding a "wall street journal" reporter >> yeah. >> true, that's going on the good news is at the moment they are at the margins, and russia is not winning the war on the battlefield and much less throughout europe or in the united states. he said something else about the journalists, suggesting the legal process has to go through their channels in dealing with such things and he was hinting of a possibility of an exchange down the road, and i took that as an interesting signal, joe. >> wow >> you have something on northern ireland the question i was asking, when i was talking to president

clinton and secretary of state clinton and tony blair, what are we learning about the ukraine war? that question elicited even more questions, and i am curious to hear your thoughts about it since you have been in that process as well? >> northern aoireland turned out to be -- i know you were over that way and marked the anniversary of the good friday commitment, and we are working a lot of time on ukraine oddly enough, i think there are parallels. for example, one of the northern ao ireland didn't try to do is have a perfect agreement, and i think that's in some ways part of the

wisdom of diplomacy for ukraine and russia, and don't try to deal with every last territorial issue or the disposition of all the ethnic russian people living in ukraine, and get a cease-fire, and that happened in northern aoeurireland, and don'y to do it all at once do what you can and over time -- it might take years, and in the case of ukraine it would take years like it did in northern ireland, do it there's no way you will be able to use military force to realize your agenda. we are prepared one day to

support a negotiation here i think that, again, is the way there may be structured diplomacy here >> what is your sense of what putin and russia is willing to do ukrainians as well as anybody would say, this is not a reasonable partner we can't have negotiations with somebody's who stated goal is to reclaim all the territory and so what do you with an adversary like that? >> it's understanding ukraine would say that given the atrocities, and you have to make peace with your enemies and not your friends, and you test the russians and if they are unreasonable as many of us think, i think it makes it less difficult to maintain western support for the war. i would say let's test it and put things on the table ultimately and see what the russians are able to do. it may be at this point they are unwilling. maybe they would make certain

compromises. they are feeling the pressure on the battlefield, manpower, and they are feeling pressure economically and are concerned about the so-called rights of russian ethnics in ukraine either you will have progress, or if you don't, you expose them and you show chinese who put forward a peace proposal, they can't deliver anything coming up, a new series tells the story of the family that hid anne frank. "morning joe" is coming right back what are folks 60 and older up to these days? getting inspired! volunteering! playing pickleba...!

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♪ >> i hear they're cracking down on the jews. that must be scary >> we're not going to make it. >> what i'm asking you to do is dangerous. if you get caught, you could get arrested or even worse i need your help hiding my family you need to take your time to think it through. >> no, i don't what do i do >> that's a preview of "a small light," national geographic's

limited series about the woman who helped hide anne frank and her family during world war ii joining us is liev schreiber and belafonte. great to see you both. welcome. everyone is well-versed in the story of anne frank, but we don't know the entire back st story. >> she was otto's secretary, in 1942, otto asked her to hide him in the secret annex, without hesitation she said of course. she kept them safe for the next two years. when they were captured by the

nazis, she was responsible for finding anne's diary and giving it to otto >> she's the reason why everyone knows about anne frank it was otto who asked her to keep watch over the family a very long time >> one thing extraordinary about this program that joan and tony created, finding new ways to tell these stories again finding fresh perspectives i think they've done a good job. without her the diaries wouldn't exist. the risks that she took and the sacrifice she made to keep this family alive and safe for almost two years. >> the phrase that was prominent in the clip we just played, i

need your help it's astounding when you think about history or even today the number of times that phrase was used i need your help, it went unanswered it's such a critical component of obviously this story. >> it's the reason i took the job. it was -- it feels like the right story now sort of with what's going on in the world and how divisive we've become. who would have thought we would be in our time in a ground war in europe and living through geopolitically what we're living through now. i felt like a story like miep's story, someone who is willing and immediately to say yes to helping someone else >> on that idea, there is so much of the world and maybe in this country there's a slippery slope. people losing freedoms, losing democracies, being swept up in

manias this is what happened here, the most ultimate horrific example of that. do you feel it's a cautionary tale and it's important to remind people of this story and what could happen? >> absolutely. there's so many parallels between the '40s and what's happening now. we're living through the biggest refugee crisis right now the franks were refugees in amsterdam. miep was a refugee herself, she was from vienna. anti-semitism on the rise. there are too many parallels that's why it was important to us to make this story and these characters feel relatable to people could feel connected to it we didn't want to present it and feel like a dusty version of history, telling people the facts that we already know that's why us useful using miep because she was a relatable character. she was an ordinary woman. she never wanted to be put on a

pedestal or called a hero. that's important for us to remember there's a bit of us all in her >> we see day-to-day the heroism. let's take another look at the clip. lengths taken to get the frank family the necessities over two years >> the government is very strict these days we have to account for everything >> yes, of course. >> they want to make sure we're not -- what's the word they use -- aiding those that have chosen to flout the law and go into hiding. >> no, no, she's not she's a client she's not hiding >> well, i suppose we can spare a few. >> that one is very scrawny. not you, the chicken you are very, very handsome. i wonder if i could have a

chicken a little more like you a little more meat on it perhaps? lovely could you spare a few more my nephews are visiting. my mother's cough just won't quit doctors say it could be few pneumonia. it's really difficult. we soldier on, don't we? >> here. little extra cheese for your poor mother. >> as we see there, it's a high-risk delicate dance that was undertaken over two years to pull this off and to protect the frank family what were some of the close calls that they had and how hard was it for her to keep this up for so long? >> i think it was incredibly hard she had to lie to her whole family you couldn't tell anyone you weren't even meant to tell your husband if you were doing -- if you were hiding people

obviously her husband, he ended up working for the dutch resistance, they were very close in the situation but, yet, it must have been so troubling, kind of leading this double life. lying to your family but that was what you had to do to keep these people safe. >> we know you've done some work with ukraine here. we had you last on the show, you had just come from the country there, trying to lend a helping hand tell us about the importance of what you're trying to do >> well, blue check is basically a pass-through for people who want to support humanitarian aid in ukraine for me, just using whatever i have to remind people that the war is still happening there's popularity and support for it, it wanes and rises it's important to remember these are real-life situations for

real people. i think "a small light" was a great reminder of that to me and a great way of sharing the humanity i think they spend a lot of time or what bel does such a beautiful job with is making a real person. a young person coming of age who is in this romantic relationship and is charming and whose life is interrupted by war. i think it's important that we remember what that is like what the costs of that is. i thought tony and joan and bel did an extraordinary job >> you continue to do extraordinary work with ukraine. i know you're going back soon. this is such a brilliant series. "a small light" premieres this monday night at 9:00, new episodes debuting every monday and will stream the next day on disney plus. congratulations on the series. good to see you. >> thanks. all right. it's just past the top of the fourth of "morning joe." the race for the 2024

presidential election is beginning to take shape with president biden officially launching his re-election bid. biden is casting his campaign as a fight against donald trump, the former president is trying to make the case that biden is unfit for office kristen welker has the latest. >> reporter: president biden is aiming to build momentum after announcing he's officially running for 2024 on tuesday, making his case for four more years. >> it's time to finish the job. >> reporter: despite a low job approval rating, the president touted his record including strong job growth and passing a bipartisan infrastructure law, blasting his top gop rival, former president trump >> people like you who have been able to make it because you're

union, the speaker, the former president, the maga extremists are cut from a different cloth >> reporter: shortly after the president announced his re-election bid tuesday, mr. trump posted this scathing response >> with such a calamitous and failed presidency, it is almost inconceivable that biden would even think of running for re-election. >> reporter: with polls showing the former president as the clear republican front-runner, mr. biden is taking a page out of his 2020 playbook by placing mr. trump at the center of his argument for re-election >> i said we're in a battle for the soul of america. we still are >> reporter: we pressed one of the president's closest allies on that strategy >> can the president, can democrats make the case for president biden without using the words trump and maga republicans? >> why should we we need to talk about maga

republicans. >> reporter: our nbc news poll shows voters are not enthusiastic about a biden/trump rematch, with a majority saying neither should run again, including dora with peter alexander in battleground, pennsylvania what do you make of that rematch? >> a mess. a mess >> why >> i think they both are very extreme. we need someone that's kind of in the middle. >> nbc's kristen welker with that report. vice president kamala harris spoke yesterday at a rally for reproductive freedom at her alma mater, howard university take a listen. >> what's happening in our country right now, is that these extremist, so-called leaders, would dare to tell us what is in our own best interest. i say i trust the women of america. i trust the people of america to make decisions about themselves.

i trust them don't get in our way, if you do, we're going to stand up, we're going to organize, we're going to speak up and we're going to say, we're not having that we're not playing that >> let's bring in the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's politics nation, reverend al sharpton i said this before i'm seeing it there. this is the sweet spot for kamala harris, she knows the issue. she can litigate it with the american public. >> no doubt about it and i think that kamala harris is the right one to champion this in this cycle because she is do all that you named and she really has a passion for it. i've seen her now several times including friday before last at our national action network convention and she is really, really fired up about the issue

of women's rights as well as other issues that are her sweet spot it comes across that way the audience responds. if you look at the audience response now to vice president harris' speech, it's because they know she means what she's saying that's immeasurable in politics. >> president biden is officially running for re-election. donald trump heads and shoulders above the rest of the field. it looks like we're headed towards a rematch here, for now, any way. donald trump's favorability among members of his party is at an all-time high 81% of republican voters have a favorable view for him, 20% do not. even as his popularity within the republican party remains sky high, another new poll shows most americansdo not want donald trump to be president again.

the latest college survey shows 64% of americans are against another four years of donald trump. 34% want him here is the key number, just 29% of independents feel they want trump back in office we call this a rematch but the circumstances of this election season are much different. donald trump led an attempted coup since we saw him last, the abortion issue has become front and center since roe was rolled back last june how in your eyes is this time around different, if it does end up being these two guys than it was in 2020? >> i think the difference is that the public will clearly know what you will get under trump presidency and what you will get under a biden presidency we don't have to guess

i think in many areas americans in general and those on the democratic side see joe biden did deliver the infrastructure and things necessary to bring us out of the pandemic for survival donald trump did not donald trump will not only have to defend his mishandling of covid, he'll be defending himself against criminal charges. let's not forget, he has a double whammy he has to deal with he has to sell the american public, trust me, and tell a jury trust me at the same time i would like to see how he does that >> donald trump's candidacy has lots of weaknesses in terms of the president's re-election, poll after poll shows democrats approve of the job he has done but the majority of them don't want him to run again with age being the biggest concern. you are out in the country a lot. you have your events, your radio

show do you think there's an enthusiasm there for biden this going to come down to, hey, we have to vote against trump again? >> i think there has been those that are just saying, well, we'd like somebody else as it became more and more into april and we saw the president making decisions, i'm starting to see people say no, he's done a good job and we can't risk going backwards. the other thing is you cannot beat somebody with nobody. if not biden, who? are we willing to risk that with somebody that may face a trump or a desantis and lose i think that almost universally i'm hearing people say biden is the only one that can protect us sometimes, you know, i can go and look in the store window and say, wow, i love those shoes, but the shoes i'm wearing i know are comfortable. i can get home in those shoes. >> i'll take that analogy.

>> right >> it's also interesting -- my shoes are very comfortable i don't want a new pair. it's still early in terms of measuring this thing up, despite all the polls we look at there's one poll that's interesting. i'd like your view on it you do get it right and you do see and talk to a lot of people. it was a pew research poll, a huge percentage of americans think it's over for this country. they're depressed about the future, the future is not going to be as good as the past was. when you go out in terms of the economy, when you talk to people, in the poll it says a majority of people think the economy is terrible. when you ask people individually how are you doing? they say i'm doing okay. >> right >> but the larger group, i don't know who they are, say, no, things are terrible. what do you find when you talk to people about just ordinary kitchen table issues >> when you talk to groups,

everybody is like in this things are terrible when you talk individually, people are saying, yeah, i'm doing all right and i'm coming through all right. when i say on my radio show that black unemployment still disproportionate but lower than it's ever been in history and people say, you're right, how do you get angry at that low figure even though you have to struggle to make it equal i think people individually are beginning to say i don't want to risk where i am even though i want more. even if i want to advance more i must trust the people that brought me to at least the level playing field. i can't go back to the people that didn't. >> so, yesterday we learned of the passing of legendary singer, actor, human rights activist harry belafonte. as the associated press notes, belafonte stands as the model and the epitome of the celebrity

activists. few kept up with his time and commitment and none his statue as a meeting point among hollywood, washington and the civil rights movement. belafonte was a close friend of reverend martin luther king jr he appeared with you at the national action network convention in 2017 let's take a look. >> reverend sharpton, i saw him when he first came on the scene. i have marvelled at his tenacity, the development of his intellect and his devotion to our movement and much that he has contributed to the world we're experiencing i am -- i am honored and i must say that when i had my debate

with dr. king on the issue of the church and religion, he didn't warn me that after his departure his space would be filled by another preacher and that that preacher would be al sharpton i am blessed and honored to have marched with him, stood on platforms with him, and been in his space and listened to the richness of his counsel. >> people know harry belafonte for his voice, his movies, his civil rights work. i'm not sure they fully appreciate that he was in many ways the life blood of the american civil rights movement of the 1950s and '60s as it was in its infancy in terms of using his success in entertainment to bankroll and fund all these organizations that revolutionized the country >> i think that you said it right. he was the life blood.

those that mentored me would say that if it wasn't for harry belafonte, we couldn't have afforded to do a lot of the marches and a lot of things that we did he was an activist that could deal with dr. king and the student nonviolent coordinating committee who had tactical differences because everyone understood he was really committed. he really was authentic. his mentor was paul roberson he modeled after that not caring what people felt, really believing it when i would be honored to have private sessions with him, he wanted to always know do you really believe that? are you saying that because it's political or are you saying that because you mean it? you had to win over the kind of support he would give. he would say i'm with you on this, sharpton, i want to help with these young folks as a group he helped start rosie perez and the gathering.

he said you all may operate in different ways, as long as you got the movement out front that was the kind of person he was. there was no one that i would say that equaled him in terms of his commitment he changed culture and he changed politics at the same time no one broke through as a crossover we would call it in terms of mainstreaming black talent like harry belafonte did. but at the same time, would fight the social order and help change the social order, risking what he was doing in his theatrical and performances as an entertainer he risked all of that for that i think that's why mrs. king and others used to tell us there's nothing like harry, he's a force of nature. he will be missed, but history will be kind >> willie and i were talking yesterday about his life, such a great american life. we would occasionally -- willie would and i would occasionally see him around the upper west side

still, despite his age, he would stop traffic harry belafonte would stop traffic. you just mentioned the risks that he took do you think the risks he took in the infancy of the civil rights movement, if the '50s and early '60s, did it impede his career at all? >> i think that it did clearly we probably will not know all of what happened because he was not a complainer. then i think i talk a lot to ken sunshine, his public visit and spokesman for years and still is for many of us in the movement the thing you don't know is how many things he turned down because he would not prostitute his skills and his way of doing things he was not one that would do menstrual things he had a certain level, a certain standard that he would have that's why, you know, for a while i lived across the street from him on the west side, i would go over to talk to him and

pamela would let me in, his wife you would always straighten up your back because you didn't know if you would get a tongue lashing, a pat on his back or both because he had standards. that was mr. b., as we would call him the only sour i have is when i walk off, he won't be ringing my phone to critique me talking to you about him because he would do that as well. >> i love it thank you for that we'll turn to some business news now as first republic bank's stock dropped in premarket trading. a group of advisers were attempting to get u.s. banks to do one more favor, purchase bonds from first republic in hopes to avoid fdic fees if the bank fails let's bring in co-anchor of "squawk box" andrew ross sorkin. where does this go from here >> this is one of the remarkable

games of chicken and a mini banking crisis you had over $100 billion leaving first republic that stock down 49% yesterday, down 10% this morning. it starts to race additional questions about whether there will be additional runs. if you have money at banks like this beyond the $250,000 fdic number, insured number, even if it's now implied that the u.s. government will save all of it, there's folks that may say i don't want to keep my money here now there's a stalemate going on, does the banking community come and try to save first republic at just the way you explained, by effectively paying for bonds at inflated prices, or the flip side of this game, they'll pay for it on the other end, which is to say if this

bank gets put into receivership by the fdic, who pays for that insurance? all the other banks. that's what's going on here. so, there's the banks on both sides. then there's the government which is the third part of this sad game of chicken, but that's where we are right now >> we'll stay on that and then -- in other news in the business world, we're dealing with a bunch of layoffs. gap, disney, and also microsoft in the news. >> that, i would say, is the biggest story of the morning microsoft, as you know, had been planning a major purchase of activision blizzard, the maker of call of duty and famed games in the world, a transaction that had been in regulatory limbo for some time. this morning, the uk regulators in britain coming out saying they plan to block that deal now, what's interesting about this or what makes this so unique is unlike the u.s.

system, unlike the european system, the appeals process in the uk, which both companies say they plan to pursue, they plan to appeal, is to the same people if you go back through 2019 and look at every appeal, in the end those who appealed lost. there is a view now that the game, if you will, could very well be over and these two companies would not be allowed to merge >> all right andrew ross sorkin as always, thank you very much. see you tomorrow coming up on "morning joe," jurors in the proud boys is he d seditious conspiracy trial we'll break down the opening statements a new book traces the rise of the kkk in the 1920s and the brave few who stood up against it we'll explain how one woman

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the civil rape trial against former president trump is under way in manhattan opening statements began yesterday after a jury of six men and three women were seated. lawyers for e. jean carroll told jurors she's suing trump to get her life back. they detailed the alleged assault which carroll says happened in a department store dressing room in new york city in the '90s. trump denies the incident ever happened the lawyers argued yesterday that carroll is exploiting her story for personal gain saying the case "comes down to do you believe the unbelievable." trump did not attend yesterday's hearing. he's one of only two witnesses listed for the defense, but it's unclear if he will testify in

person carroll's attorney say they plan to use the video of the former president's deposition last year the judge says the trial will last five to ten days. jurors are set to begin deliberations later today in the proud boys seditious conspiracy trial. the defense finished closing arguments yesterday with attorneys for the far-right group placing blame for the january 6th capitol insurrection squarely on former president trump. an attorney for the proud boys leader, enrique tarrio, says prosecutors were trying to make him a scapegoat for donald j. trump and those in power one attorney for joe biggs said the proud boys came to d.c. because their commander in chief told them it would be wild trump's tweet called on supporters to come to the capitol on january6th. the five members of the proud

boys on trial face at least nine counts. a new book looks at the rise of the ku klux klan in rural states 100 years ago joining us now is timothy egan. his new book "a fever in the heartland. i want to start with just sort of where you began what concept you began this book with because my understanding is you were looking at today, you were looking at contemporary american life and the toxicity in it. >> absolutely. thanks for having me on. they say history repeats itself, but it actually rhymes what you can see in this dark and scary story from 100 years ago is so many of the echoes from our past that are just going through the present right now. i looked at the rise of the ku klux klan 100 years ago when

they had 6 million americans, three elected governors, including one in colorado's slogan is every man under the capitol dome a klansman. they had 75 members of congress under their swayment t msway they had a march through washington in which 50,000 americans turned up. you see bits of this today the proud boys trial right now, one of the things they've talked about was this replacement theory that was a big thing in the 1920s. fear of new americans, fears of the jews replacing us, fear of a catholics, and fear of blacks. >> i want to ask about the woman who is really a central figure who endured just unbelievable trauma >> yeah. without giving away the story, a

lot of people tried to stop the klan of the 20s. they had their eyes on the white house. they controlled the 1924 political conventions. the "time" put their leader on the cover. an irish american group tried to out them, they failed. this one woman, a single woman living with her parents in irvington, indiana in 1925, who was brutally assaulted, raped, and left on her dying bed against this powerful man, the grand dragon of indiana where one in three white males wore the sheet of the ku klux klan, they alone brought this monster down in so doing ended the klan's

reign at a time when it was ascendant. >> you know, as i was looking at the book and going through it and certainly the heroic act of the woman is certainly the story, but when you -- i think you have done what is immeasurable in terms of the need of knowing and the impact, is that many people look at the clan as some outlier, some small little group that were just some extremists and nuts. you talked about the danger of how they could impact and they did impact and these kinds of groups can grow and impact the body politic of the country. they should not be looked at as some outliers, they can become a central force. you documented that better than anyone i've read in my lifetime. >> i'm so glad you brought this up some people said this was a mayberry clan because they were so normal, but these were the pillars of the community

they were not toothless thugs that live under bridges. they were teachers, preachers, politics, judges, ministers, merchants, bankers, people who held their community together were the basis of the clan of the 1920s. it was sort of a normalized rockwellian klan which on the surface looked like americana, beneath the surface they were all about terror they ran an entire african american community out of their homes. on the surface, they seemed so normal, so american, so entrenched in every-day americana. >> wow the book is "a feeterfever in te heartland. timothy egan, thank you. thank you for writing this book.

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live picture in new york city 9:36 in the morning. for the first time in more than 50 years, one of broadway's most indelible shows returns to the stage tomorrow night a couple of blocks from where we are sitting. "the sign in sidney brustein's window." this couple fights to keep their marriage together while surrounded by their diverse circle of friends at a time when progressive change is sweeping the country. joining us are the stars of that production, oscar isaac and rachel brosnahan you did it for the first time last night, your first time on

broadway what was it like to step out there? >> it was moving it was incredibly moving we talked about the challenge and the difficulties of getting to that place and being on broadway the fact it happened so serendipitously. we did it in brooklyn for six weeks and thought that was it. we had these courageous producers that jumped on and said let's move it now a few weeks after closing at b.a.m., we're up and running at the james earl jones >> you were in brooklyn, now here, you're opening officially tomorrow night what drew you to this story? for people who don't know this famous play. what is it about to you? >> well, we talk about this a lot. it's about so many things. it's one of the things that makes this play so beautiful is lorraine had so many big questions about this world, as you say in the play was being split down themiddle in the 1960s. i had never heard of this play

i'm devastated that i never heard of this beautiful play before we did a reading of it in 2019 lorraine was asking big questions about the world she was living in, about progress, change, art, politics, identity and how those things intersected. even though it is a play written in the '60s, it feels like we're asking all the same questions at this moment where we're on the precipice of another great change >> oscar, what drew you to the role what sort of residence do you see to the current day >> it's so compelling. for me, you have this masterpiece that is "a raisin in the sun. then this other play which is little done. it's hard to understand why. when i read it, you feel the breadth of her knowledge and how this was one of the great thinkers of the 20th century the fact she died so young, at 34 years old, is such a tragedy.

it is shakespearean the things that she -- the themes she weaves together and the empathy she has for these people she was dying at the time. she had pancreatic cancer, she was dying at the time this play was in previews. yet it's so funny, sexy, provocative. she's such a nonconformist she is speaking, as rachel said, this is 1963/'64 before the civil rights movement breaks open, the psychedelic movement, the anti-war movement is coming, it's this reckoning that happens with sidney brustein, iris and these friends living in the center of bohemia. it's this call to action that's what speaks to me at the beginning of the play, sidney is disillusioned. he's done it he put himself out there he's a liberal he did everything he's supposed to do and nothing happened

it's all the same. he wants to withdraw that's something that i think a lot of people that i speak to nowadays have that same feeling. you put yourself out there socially, politically, you can be an activist, what do you do when the results are not what you want them to be? you want to withdraw, how do you stay engaged >> you both have had very successful film careers. you have had a very successful film career you're out there on the stage now, all by yourself in terms of your intensity that you bring to your roles, is there a different level of intensity that you bring when you know there's no do-over here if you screw up, you screw up. keep on going. the audience is like right there. it's not, you know, waiting to buy a ticket what does that do to you >> that's the tightrope. it's like making art without a net. for me it feels much more athletic, also much more, like, playing live music there's an immediate feedback

that's happening there's something that feels just obviously so alive about it how is it for you? >> yeah. it's electric in a different and more immediate way, like you're saying you get that feedback working in film and television many, many months after you complete the thing. it's been really special to be in conversation with an audience you can feel the things that they're latching on to you can feel where you begin to lose them and, yeah, it's -- >> as an actor, you are able to use the full expression of your instrument on the stage. you know, it's not cut up in little bits and pieces you're using all of you at every moment >> have you come to terms with the fact you have a great performance, i did it, wait, i have to do it seven more times >> that's a big challenge. the thing is this play, the

depth of this play feels really infinite every night there's a new line, a new moment, something that a character says that strikes me in such a different way. the fact that lorraine just threw it all out there, it's such an incredible playground to be in. >> as you open this next new chapter, rachel, you're saying good-bye to the marvelous mrs. maisel have you given yourself time and a little distance from it and say wow, what a ride that was? >> there hasn't been time. i kind of went straight into this, which is a real gift it's nice to stay busy after saying good-bye to something so significant. we recently started promoting the last season, got to get the family back together again it's been -- we've been having time to reflect and talking to folks like you all about what the show has meant to us we're still saying good-bye. i don't think we're really going to say good-bye until we don't

go back to shooting again in january. then we'll be calling each other on the phone >> what has midge meant to you over the years you won all the golden globes, the emmys, the cast is incredible, your family. what has she meant to you? i grew up on this show midge and i grew up together we had a parallel journey towards discovering who we are and who we want to be. i was given a lot of grace in the process of growing up. i learned to be a better leader being a part of this show, got to watch some of the most talented people in every part of our industry up close i got to fall in love with the technical parts of movie making. there's no better crew -- everyone says it, but i mean it -- there's no better crew than ours. i think i'm going to be reflecting on everything that the show has meant to me for a really long time >> we'll miss seeing you guys up

on the upper west side suddenly in your '50s clothes and the cars parked on the street >> are you going to miss us or -- >> not at all. not remotely congratulations on this extraordinary play getting amazing reviews already. "the sign in sidney brustein's window" opens tomorrow night oscar isaac, rachel brosnahan, good to see you both coming up next, a look at some of the stories making the front pages across the country this morning when it comes to reducing sugar in your family's diet, the more choices, the better. that's why america's beverage companies are working together to deliver more great tasting options with less sugar or no sugar at all. in fact, today, nearly 60% of beverages sold contain zero sugar. different sizes? check. clear calorie labels? just check.

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