think about this is as you suggested, to understand tha senator feinstein situation an the problems and challenge that it poses are not really that different from th challenges that are posed when we have a senator who has child and might be out for a couple months recovering we just had senator fetterma getting health care that h needed and so, i think the goal her is for congress to modernize to have a plan for what to do, for short term, when we have people who have health questions. we don't know what the lon term prognosis is for senato feinstein. and i think that, you know this will rule that the senate has, which is that the apparently can't replace peopl on committees without th entire senate consenting, is just a terrible rule o procedure. >> congresswoman katie porte up in california, thank yo very much, appreciated >> thank you >> that is all in on thi wednesday night. senator bernie sanders wil join me tomorrow night is all in on this wednesday night. senator bernie sanders will join me tomorrow night. we have some breaking news to get through the show tonight alex wagner tonight gens right

now. >> i think california is going to be an insane race >> oh, man, is it ever >> thank you, my friend, as always and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour remember when a mint company had to denounce a candidate for president? remember that? the company was tiktok, and in october 2016 they released this statement. tiktok respects all women. we find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable tiktok was referencing a newly unearthed tape from 2005 where you could hear 2016 presidential candidate donald trump describing his own vulgarity at this point we know how that statement ends with the suggestion it is okay to grab

women by their genitals against their will when you're a star, they let you do it. a couple days after that tape was released trump defended his remarks in a debate against hillary clinton. >> describe kissing women without consent and grabbing their genitals that is sexual assault you bragged you sexually assaulted women. do you understand that >> no, this was locker room talk i'm not proud of it. i apologize to my family i apologize to the american people certainly i'm not proud of it, but this is locker room talk it's locker room talk, and it's one of those things. >> locker room talk, just one of those things boys will be boys. boys who brag about sexually assaulting women after that tape was released more than a dozen women came forward accusing trump of sexual assault and harassment this is how trump responded. >> every woman lied when they

came forward to hurt my campaign all of these liars will be sued after the election is over if they can fight somebody like me who has unlimited resources t they can do to you >> trump became sort of a hood ornament for male entitlement. he sent his wife melania out on a media circuit to defend him. she claimed women approached trump with inappropriate stuff all the time, and didn't they know he has a wife how dare they. amazingly, shockingly none of this stuck to trump. he used his money and accusations to sweep this under the rug and move along and used his bully pulpit to warn, hey, guys, this could happen to you, too if i go down for this they will come after you, too. and apparently this all worked he won the presidential

election but today nearly seven years later we are seeing something that approaches accountability begin to emerge in a manhattan courtroom. a jury heard opening arguments today in the civil lawsuit that writer e. jean carroll brought against trump for allegedly raping her in a dressing room in the 1990s. ms. carroll is seeking damages for alleged battery and for defamation, and that is because in 2019 when carroll published accusations trump attacked her, he followed that 2016 playbook he called her a liar >> it's a total false accusation, and i don't know anything about it. and she's made this charge against others and, you know, people have to be careful because they're playing with very dangerous territory. >> in a 2019 interview with the hill trump said it never happened and anyway, she wasn't his type he then repeated his denials

just this past fall after e. jean carroll filed this lawsuit. it's a complete con job, it's a hoax and a lie, this woman is not my type. that most recent denial she made after he left office is the subject of this defamation case. it could be used this case along with the testimony of two other women. in their opening statement yesterday carroll's attorneys pointed the xi jury to trump's "access hollywood" comments. as for the impact this has all had on her life carroll said trump's remarks shattered my reputation, and i'm here to try

and get my life back so that is what happened allegedly to e. jean carroll but the impact of that language, of that defense that she wasn't his type, the riffle effect of that locker room talk, gnat all extends way beyond the walls of a manhattan courtroom. because if trump became an avatar of male entitlement in the eyes of women, he seems to have become that for men as well in 2016 when trump told the public if they can fight somebody like me, just look at what they can do to you, some men heard that as an actual warning. when you use the term locker room talk, they heard him, they were list ngs. and now some of trump's staunchest followers are repeating him. last night it was enrique tarrio, the leader of the proud boys who he and his colleagues are on trial for sudeditious

conspiracy accusations >> what they're trying to do is manipulate how we talk to each other in the locker room and it's not fair. >> it's all just locker room talk where have you heard that before this culture of debasement and violence that seems to be the halo effect of the trump years and if you want another example of it look no further than the freshly fired fox news host tucker carlson tonight "the new york times" has new details about what led to the network's break up with carlson. according to "the times" the fox board of directors found more embarrassing text messages and videos unearthed dominion lawyers planned to pin tucker carlson down on the messages that were most demeaning toward women including ones that referred to women, both guests and executives, using the "c" word "the times" also obtained a video of carlson off camera

discussing his, quote, post-menopauseal fans and whether they would approve of how he looked on-air in another video carlson is heard describing a woman he finds yummy. that kind of locker room talk posed a threat to fox news joining me now is a current professor of law at northwestern university who served as an assistant d. a., also the author of "incredible, why we doubt accusers and protect abusers." and i'm also joined by katie phang. you have a really powerful op-ed in "the times" in which he you write the outcome of this case takes on heightened significance because mr. trump has embraced the role of avenger on behalf of men accused of sexual

misconduct i would argue he's taken on the role of avenger for many kind of men with grievances that run the gamut, but when you see the way in trump followers, trump acolytes, trump media buddies echo the demeaning, misogynist language, it really underscores the point of how important trump is and was to this sort of entire anti-woman movement, if you would. >> i think that's absolutely right. this trial is capturing a moment in time where it feels like so much is on the line for our culture. yes, we've had the me too movement that has flourished since the hashtag went viral since it began in 2006, but we still haven't really pinned powerful men with consequences for abuse. and along with that ipunity comes as you say debasement and

humiliation and the sense that men with privilege, men with fame, men with fortune can get away with just about anything. >> well, yeah. i think it was almost surprising the news that broke, you know, just moments ago about tucker carlson and potentially why he was fired so explicitly linked to the language used for women in his own organization that was so vulgar and crude that it really isn't being printed in any of the papers reporting on this, right? it's almost surprising from a woman's vantage point that anyone and any powerful man would actually be held accountable on that front. >> that's right. and i think for many people watching this trial it really is shocking to even contemplate that e. jean carroll might be believed and that her accusation may actually amount to some kind of accountability for donald trump. >> katie, let's talk about the trial a little bit because this is a civil trial, which is different than a criminal trial. and i wonder what you make of the defense trump's team is

mounting, which is not exactly the same defense that trump himself is mounting on social media. >> well, it's a familiar defense, though, isn't it, alex, whether it's a civil case or criminal case when there's an allegation of sexual assault the old tired trope about a rape victim is she didn't do something, and that is the defense in this, she didn't scream, she didn't go to the police, she didn't report it immediately, she didn't pursue charges immediately. those are things that we hear even in criminal cases as a former prosecutor who prosecuted sexual battery, rape and sexual assault cases that's always the questions that were being raised those were things you had to dispel during the jury selection process to ensure you'd have a fair and impartial jury to sit during judgment.

given it's a low burden of proof in a case, regardless if it's civil or criminal, there is no requirement a rape victim scream there's no requirement that she or even he after reporting it to the police, there is no one-size fits all response to the crime for the offense of rape. and because of that i think what you're seeing here is donald trump on one front on truth social trying to do what donald trump does, which is avoid having to actually show up in court. he's trying to use a different platform to launch a defense, and then he has his legal team in court trying to go after e. jean carroll and her legal team. and so at the end of the day you're not going to see donald trump come to court. and whether or not that's enough to kind of dupe a jury into thinking that that was sufficient for him to not show up, to not have to actually defend himself in his own words and on his own terms, i think that'll be left to be seen

>> i wonder, deborah, to katie's point about what the sort of cost is trump, if he is found guilty in this civil case, you will literally have the words "convicted rapist" and "current presidential candidate," former president donald trump but he's not going to go to jail for this and i wonder those who have been victims themselves how you can be a convicted rapist that doesn't have to serve jail time, and that you can feasibly run to be the republican nominee for the highest office in the land >> right, it's such an interesting point. he'll be held liable if we're assuming the jury comes back -- >> there'll be a monetary penalty. >> for e. jean carroll, that's right. there will be no criminal sanction whatsoever, and one question will be what political consequence does he suffer from

that and another question is what does that mean for the many survivors who are watching >> and it's a narrative of accountability can you call it accountability if someone is paying and has a reputational harm but the harm is not sizable enough to prevent them from running for president. >> i've been using the term a measure of accountability because civil justice is a form of justice, and it's certainly legal accountability, which we have not seen with respect to any of these allegations against trump to this point. so, you know, for many watching it would feel like progress, and yet, of course, it's different from a criminal prosecution, and many will wonder, you know, why that's all the consequence he's going to suffer. i think for e. jean carroll if the jury believes her, that will be hugely meaningful for so many women who come forward with accusations, and most don't. they're not believed

and so it is a significant moment even if the sanction here as you point out is a civil sanction >> yeah, and if it's perhaps just one victim that gets her day in court when we talk about accountability it exists at different scales katie, does it surprise you to hear enrique tarrio who's on trial for seditious conspiracy, a federal trial literally echoing the words of donald trump, this is all just locker room talk, and what do you make legally of that defense? >> well, it's not a legal defense, right i mean at the end of the day it's not a reasonable cog nizable offense. i'm not surprised because enrique tarrio looks at someone like donald trump as being an idol he wants to mimic, he wants to be that man. he says he was heralding the call of donald trump on january 6th to have, you know, the proud

boys and oath keepers show up for that insurrection. but it's not a real defense and just one way to stoke public opinion in his favor, but remember there's a jury that's already seated for tarrio. so there's a jury already seated for donald trump these are jurors sitting on a jum that ostensibly have been truthful when they said they can put aside their biases, their sympathies and prejudices and be able to listen to the facts and the law and decide a case appropriately. you know, in this particular instance, though, alex, when you have a sexual assault, sexual battery case even e. jean carroll's judge in this case said this is a, quote, he said, she said and yet we all know the realities. rape and sexual assault, these are the type of offenses that are from the get go the victim faces continued revictimization

over and over again because it's never a he said, she said, it's a he said, she said and who can she bring to corroborate, it's always what can you prove as the victim versus being recognized as the victim. in this particular case for emt jean carroll, if she prevails that's good for her. but we also need to take a breath and realize this is e. jean carroll's case. this is not the case for all other rape victims in america. it's just her case and that's why it's also important judge kaplan has also allowed other victims in similar situations from donald trump to come in. >> a he said, she said, she said, she said thank you both for joining me, thank you for your time tonight. we have a lot to get to this evening including donald trump trying to get house republicans to meddle in another investigation focused on donald trump. and then there is house speaker kevin mccarthy who managed to

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for months this country has been watching a slow rolling hostage situation. republicans in congress have been holding the american economy hostage by threatening to drive the country into default. and today those republicans finally announced the ransom earlier this evening house republicans voted 217-215, which is a squeaker to approve a plan to increase the debt ceiling in exchange for druimatic cuts to

america's social safety net and social infrastructure. this came after a few days of very tense negotiations among republicans and only republicans to see if the party could even agree on what it actually wanted concessions were made and deals were brokered, but in the end three republicans voted against the measure saying it did not go far enough a fourth republican also voted against the bill because he apparently doesn't believe in ever raising the debt ceiling which is apparently a legitimate position to have in today's gop. anyway, as for all the house republicans today they voted for a bill that would end critical food assistance for anywhere between 275,000 to 900,000 people according to expert estimates. they voted to kick 600,000 americans off of medicaid and to significantly increase health care costs for state governments. that is according to the congressional budget office. the bill would also result

according to one estimate in 780,000 fewer jobs over the next ten years. it would cut 80,000 jobs from the v. a. health system and the department of veteran affairs says that would result in 30 million fewer patients a year for veterans and republicans voted to cut off assistance for 1 million families, voted to cut pell grants, voted to cut early childhood education programs, cut green energy tax credits, and the plan passed by house republicans would reduce the number of rail safety inspections by 7,500 and shutdown 375 air traffic towers around the country so the same party that claimed to be outraged by that east palestine rail disaster, that same party just voted to make air travel harder and to make

railways less safe republicans just put themselves on record supporting all of that because this is their wish list. this is the stuff they want in exchange for not tanking the global economy during the debate over the bill on the house floor congresswoman ilhan omar, democrat of minnesota, she had this to say >> for a long time republicans spent so much time saying they were going to address the economic anxiety families were feeling, but overnight they dreamt up a dangerous economic bill that will bunch families into economic depression joining us now is democratic congresswoman ilhan omar it's great to see you. let me just ask you are you surprised kevin mccarthy was actually able to pass a bill with members of his own caucus because the bar is really that

low at this point? >> i'm glad to be with you, alex and today, obviously, is a dark day when we got to see just how dangerous the republican agenda could be and the kind of economically devastating bill that they can coalesce around. i wasn't surprised because i knew that ultimately as a salesman he would make some sort of concession, and we saw that up to the last minute as he was begging for those votes. and, you know, there were reports saying he's telling his members don't worry about the substance of the bill, just vote for it so that we can say we have done something. and it's really, you know, disturbing the amount of economic damage that they are willing to inflict on america's poor and working families, our veterans, our seniors, our children basically every single person in

this country that promised that they were going to alleviate the economic anxieties they were experiencing, they have now put out a bill that would actually create a lot of economic -- a lot more economic anxiety. and as i said earlier just economic depression for so many people >> you know, it is really hard to understand the logic oftentimes in republican circles, but on this one in particular reuters the reporting the cuts these republicans are talking about would be felt more acutely in red states. literally an analysis of federal spending data indicates the domestic spending caps could be felt most acutely in the states that backed trump in the 2020 presidential election. do you think republicans know that or they just don't care >> they don't care they have been doing -- they've

been advocating for a lot of policies that transfer wealth and economic stability and security for poor and working families to millionaires and billionaires you don't see republicans being outraged about the corporate tax cuts that trump and bush put forth and implemented. you don't see them being worried about many of these red states where they are last on the level of education their children are getting, they're last on the employment people are receiving. they are last on all the resources that should be available to any community that lives in a thriving society like we do here in the united states, and so many people are convinced by their lies because what the republicans have done is tell one story and implement policies

that tell the opposite of that story. and to me the thing that is the most frustrating is how is it that so many people continue to believe in the promises that republicans make on what they will do knowing that the policies that they implement are hurting them every single day. >> yeah, the discrepancy between the narrative and the action, discrepancy is the wrong word to use. it's like a chasm between the narrative the party is proposing and the actions they take when they're in power but i guess i wonder in the broader context of the negotiations the white house is going to have to do with this republican conference, i mean how do you think biden and democrats should play their hand in terms of negotiating with people who seem incredibly willing to take the country off a cliff unless, you know, democrats accede to a wish list of draconian cuts to hurt the most vulnerable and marginalized

in our society >> the thing that democrats and the administration, president biden have to do is hold onto this idea that we must raise the debt limit without negotiations because this has happened over and over again we did not see mccarthy out there pushing for cuts in negotiations when he voted to raise the debt ceiling under trump. the reality is these are bills that we have to pay. we already spend this money. we have that responsibility as members of congress and as leaders in this country. we can have all kinds of budget conversations when we are negotiating the actual budget. you know, it's clear that they have promising to take the country hostage and our economy

and the world economy, the global economy but we do not have to negotiate under their terms. we have to negotiate under the facts of how this country has been governed and the policies that we know work to keep us fiscally responsible in this country. >> president biden is going to be leading those negotiations. he's also as we know running for president again. are you, are progressives excited about that >> i mean the reality is, you know, in the last two years under the slimmest majority in the house and in the senate we've been able to do incredible things bypassing bills like the chips act or the infrastructure bill or the inflation reduction act. you know, the president was in my district celebrating some of that work earlier this month he has been a real partner in listening to us when we've said we need movement in regards to addressing the climate crisis.

we need movement in addressing student debt cancellation. and i think it is really important for us to support him for re-election. we are at this moment dealing with fascism, and this moment we are dealing with people who don't actually believe democracy is good. we're dealing with people who are proposing the kind of economically devastating and dangerous bill that we just talked about i don't think we have the opportunity to have the kind of conversations that people want to have. this is a very dangerous moment for our country, and the president that's leading us has done a great job, and we need to coalesce behind him. >> it sounds like enthusiasm to me minnesota democratic congresswoman ilhan omar, it's always good to see you thank you for your time tonight. >> of course, thank you for having me. we have still more to come this evening disney is now suing governor ron desantis because that is apparently where we're at in this endilous war on woke, and

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individual ongoing criminal prosecution, and so that's something that i think is a proposition that is inath muto government principles. >> that was manhattan district attorney alvin bragg tonight reacting to a question about house republican's efforts to meddle into his criminal investigation into donald trump. if you'll recall house judiciary chair jim jordan is dragging in a former member of bragg's investigative team to talk to jordan's committee in a fairly transparent attempt to glean information about the d.a.'s criminal case against trump. not surprisingly d.a. bragg's office is trying to convince the judge oeverseeing that case to keep all evidence under wraps.

just last night bragg asked for aect forrive order that asks trump, a former president, be barred from seeing material during the discovery process without his lawyers present and trump be prohibited from posting details on any of it on news or social media platforms, the former president prosecutors mentioned trump's tendency to go after anyone investigating him noting he's already attacked several people linked to this case including d.a. bragg and the judge himself. they also argued the current federal investigation into trump's handling of classified materials down at mar-a-lago, quote, gives rise to significant concern the defendant will similarly misuse grand jury and other sensitive materials here and what do you know today trump's lawyers are asking house republicans to intervene in that very same investigation. today trump's lawyers sent this ten-page letter to the republican chair of the house intelligence committee

essentially asking him to step in prevent doj from continuing to conduct ham handed criminal investigations but rather a legislative solution doj should be ordered to stand down doj should just stand down let congress take care of it by the way, house republican friends, can you help us with that meanwhile trump's lawyers also reveal that among the classified documents taken from the white house were briefings with phone calls from foreign leaders and that adds to what we already knew in this case, these documents contain unmanned nuclear capabilities as well as highly sensitive intelligence about china and iran so trump's lawyers are hoping that republicans will if they might slow down the mar-a-lago investigation, but two of trump's top lawyers boris epstein, and evan corcoran

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it's going to hurt kids and that's why i'm asking disney to please take a position on the don't say gay bill and say it's wrong. >> okay whereby so last year company employees and members of the public pressured the walt disney company to take a public stance against ron desantis' so-called don't say gay law. that's a law that bans the discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in schools, and that pressure campaign worked disney vowed to work to repeal the law, and it put out a statement that formally said desantis should not have signed it, which clearly angered the governor, as in really, really angered the governor >> for disney to come out and put a statement and stay that the bill should have never passed and that they are going

to actively work to repeal it, i think one was fundamentally dishonest, but, two, crossed the line we're going to make sure we're fighting back when people are threatening our parents and threatening our kids >> disney alleges in a lawsuit filed today that since it spoke out about don't say gay governor desantis has engaged in a, quote, targeted campaign of government retaliation against the company, that includes threatening to use his power as governor to impose tolls on florida roads that leads to disney theme parks, raising taxes on disney hotels and even threatening to build a state prison next door now, a lot of this is complicated because disney does have an absolutely wild amount of privileges in the state of florida, ones that date back to when walt disney developed the property back in the 1960s, but that is a story for another day. what is new here is not disney's weird self-governing state inside another state and not employees and the public pushing corporations to take a stand for

what they believe is right and not right. take, for example, the current outrage on the right on the bud light campaign featuring a transgender influencer sales of bud light dropped 5% compared to last year and that's because conservatives are boycotting bud light whether or not we agree with their stance consumers do have the right to use the power of their pocketbooks. what is new here is the government punishing a corporation for basically listening to its consumers and expressing itself politically, in this case expressing itself as politically progressive now, put a pinin that one because it comes up again. yesterday a republican bill became law in the state of kansas and it bars public officials from using environmental, social and governance factors from investing in public funds. in simpler although more ridiculous terms that means no woke climate or diversity goals are allowed to be used when making investment decisions.

indiana's republican controlled legislature passed a similar law monday and montana's governor signed one into law tonight. at least nine states are controlling the way investments are made and making sure they do not align with any progressive goals, which is distressing because in our current era with the political stalemate that's preventing nearly anything from happening inwashington and wit more and more republicans at the state level turning to anti-democratic, undemocratic means, activists have turned more of their attention toward corporate america. it's really one of the last remaining levers for citizens to pull in order to gain political agency and maybe actual change itself, and now the government is going to war over this. so what happens now? joining us now is rashad robinson, the president of the activist group color of change which specializes in using corporate america to push for progressive and social change. you are the architect for all of

this thank you for joining us, my friend how do you look at this war happening between disney and desantis and do you think it could have a chilling effect on other corporations thinking about getting engaged in big cultural battles affecting a lot of people in this country? >> you know, alex, we see corporations doing all sorts of horrific acts, policing their employees, hurting their consumers, polluting, doing all sorts of horrible practices. and here you have desantis going after disney not because they've done anything horrible to the citizens but because they actually stood up for a group of citizens and lgbtq floridians and lgbtq people around the country. and so to the extent that corporations can't pretend and hide here. you know, they can't have it both ways. they either have to stand up and push back or they're still going to sort of be held accountable they're going to be held accountable by a public that's

going to expect them to live up to their values. they can't make statements that say black lives matter or they stand up for the lgbtq community. they can't show up to pride parades or do black history month sell brcelebrations and c to support policies and practices that put our community in harms way i think it's important that disney is doing this work, but we can't just make corporations the hero in this story we have to hold elected officials accountable for the rules and regulations, and we have do sort of more work at helping the public really understand the role corporations have in not just in politics but in sort of all the ways our public life rolls out. >> i wonder how possible is that going to be given the zeal of republican governors and republican state lawmakers to preemptively basically outlaw an engagement in the political arena on the part of corporations or investment

institutions you know what i mean the preemptive strike is don't you even think about these progressive goal, don't you even think about institutional investments that target diversity and social goals don't even think about it, like preemptively shutdown the debate before it even happens >> well, this is actually going to be the test for corporations around exactly do their words actually match their actions because the republicans wouldn't be in office without their corporate enablers and so corporations will say that they support our issues, they'll stand up with us and they'll still give their donations, they'll still give the money to support these same politicians passing these laws so the question is not what they do with their statement, the question is what they do with their dollars, and they could cut all this off and stop all of this if they turn off the spigot, and they turn off the dollars and they start actually holding these politicians accountable in a very different way. right now we get a lot of

statements, when the corporations were speaking out against the attacks on voting rights and we saw sort of a lot of these companies standing up and speaking out, the question really wasn't, you know, what does your statement say, what does your statement say after january 6th? the question is where do your dollars go after january 6th, which candidates are you supporting how long do you with hold your dollars? do you with hold them for three months, six months or with hold it long enough for it to actually matter? these republican officials are taking these actions because they are making a bet that the politicians will come back around and continue to support them, but they will not with hold their resources, that they will just make these statements that if they're not truly with us -- and for us in the public we have to be vigilant in making sure we are both doing the accountability and we are also doing the work around withholding our dollars when necessary. >> when you talk about withholding dollars i want to look at the example of tucker

carlson because you guys were very engaged in this effort to strip advertiser dollars from his show, which was successful, right? by and large the main advertiser during that hour was mike lindell, disney, papa johns, t-mobile, there were all these corporations that used to advertise on fox air waves and stops because the content got so vulgar and demeaning and in other ways filled with disinformation and outright lies and yet tucker carlson was the marquee talent at the network. he was getting a salary of reportedly over $20 million and was seen as a raging success so square for me the utility of stripping the advertiser dollars if the person who is the sort of snake charmer, if you will, in all of this, the person who's the pied piper retains his bully pulpit >> this is the important part

about strategy here especially when it comes to fox news. we've run a number of campaigns on fox news. we went after the glen beck show and the bill o'reilly show and so those were advertiser campaigns when the business model was different at fox but the business model over the years has slowly changed, and so fox actually doesn't need advertisers. in fact, about 90% of their resources happen through cable subscriptions. and what ends up happening, right, is they negotiate a much higher sort of fee -- >> carriage fees >> carriage fees, so what ends up happening is they're getting twice as much as basically this network and other networks, competitors. so basically all of us as consumers whether we watch fox or not are subsidizing tucker carlson. so the question is for cable providers is we should no longer allow them to continue to sort of allow fox to have these high rates. and we are running a campaign right now to actually focus on

that, to focus on the sort of ruvisen, the at&ts of the world, the cable providers that are actually paying the money because we are all subsidizing tucker carlson we are subsidizing those lies. we are subsidizing the other folks on that network, and it's not the advertisers. i could run an advertiser campaign with my team, get all these advertisers to divest and fox could keep doing what it's doing. corporate accountability is also about strategy, so part of the strategy is focusing our energy at the right places so we get the right results. >> i knew you would have the right answer for that. it's great to see you, my friend we'll be right back.

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