familiar with the matter that one referred to a female executive by the c word. fox has not commented on the reasons for the split. this morning, "the new york times" reporting according to two people with knowledge of the discussions that top fox executives learned of the contents of many of the private messages the day before the lawsuit was settled. the times reporting that highly offensive and crude remarks in the messages set off a crisis at the highest level of the company. the times reporting it obtained a video of carlson discussing his quote post menopausal fans and referring to a woman as yu yummy. carlson's future is uncertain but he suggests he will take his show somewhere else. >> where can you still find americans saying true things there aren't many places left but there are some. >> reporter: don lemon spoke for the first time at a star studded event at the annual time 100 gala in new york city. what is next for you, don?

>> i don't know, sittinge beach with this gentleman all summer and having a great summer, and the summer of a 12-year-old. >> reporter: the former cnn host seemingly upbeat alongside long time partner tim malone. two high profile stars breaking their silence, just days after major shakeups left their on air futures up in the air. stephanie gosk, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports. let's get right to it. at this hour, 2024 hopeful ron desantis is making moves in a country that's crucial for any impact the anxiety inside dhs as the country prepares for what's expected to be a massive surge at the southern border in just a few weeks. president zelenskyy not mincing words, saying russia

won't get away with the latest deadly attack in a city in southern ukraine we have a live report from kyiv. also, kevin mccarthy notches a political win but his debt ceiling plan is dead on arrival in the senate. where does it go from here our nbc news reporters are following all the latest developments and we begin in washington where the path to averting a massive u.s. debt default at this hour is unclear nbc's ali vitali is on capitol hill for us. so look, republicans know their plan isn't going to go anywhere in the senate but does this force president biden and the democrats to the negotiating table? >> reporter: that's what speaker mccarthy is hoping for, this show of force within the conference, the fact that they were able to pass something is enough to restart negotiations with the white house and democrats. you're right that broadly, senate majority leader chuck schumer said this is dead on arrival in the senate. the numbers aren't there

speaker mccarthy really challenging senators to put up something better watch. >> we have taken action. what's going to happen here, the senate needs to pass a bill. if chuck schumer believes a clean bill can pass. put it on the floor then the thing you have to realize, you have a 60 vote margin in the senate he can't pass it manchin says he won't vote for that either. they've got to find something, and they need to negotiate >> reporter: so look, mccarthy there pointing out the obvious and hoping that it works in his favor, frankly in these negotiations the fact that democrats say they want a clean debt ceiling but they probably can't get that through the senate even though they have the majority there this brings us back to the drawing board as senate democrats now say they're going to continue working and looking, that they still want a clean debt ceiling raise, and republicans of course saying this is what they feel is palatable. i do think it's notable, and this is what i asked speaker mccarthy last night, it took such meticulous cajoling on the

part of the speaker and leadership to get people on board enough you have the votes to pass this bill in the first place, what happens when there are inevitably changes mccarthy, instead, wouldn't engage with the substance of that and said, look, at this point, republicans are the only ones who have done any voting to raise the debt ceiling >> thank you for that. now to nbc exclusive reporting on the southern border where the biden administration is bracing for a potential record surge in migration once the title 42 covid policy is lifted nbc's julia ainsley got that scoop and joins us now julia, the administration, i understand announced a new effort to get ahead of the surge. what's the plan? >> that's right, today we heard from secretary blinken and alejandro mayorkas about the plan, someone saying guatemala or colombia could go there and apply for refugee status rather

than making the dangerous trip to the southern border my reporting says even with measures in place, and with stricter measures supposed to deter migrants from coming across the southern border, the fact that the covid-19 restrictions are still lifting on may 1 1th has a lot of officials nervous. they need 3 million more dollar from congress, republicans don't want to get behind a biden border plan, and they don't have the capacity those in the border patrol shelters and on the streets. people we have spoken to in el paso say there are a thousand migrants sleeping on the street. mayorkas said there's a plan, and here's what he had to say today. >> beginning on may 12th, we place eligible individuals who arrive at our southern border in expedited removal proceedings. those who arrive at our border and do not have a legal basis to stay will have made the journey

often having suffered horrific trauma and having paid their life savings to the smugglers only to be

>> reporter: the ministry of defense has acknowledged carrying out strikes overnight high precision strikes on a ukraine reserve deployment point. those are the words they used. ukrainian officials, the pictures we have on the ground from independent journalists tells a different story. ukrainian officials there are saying this was an act of terror that civilians bore the brunt of this attack. one of the reasons they are saying this particular missile strike amounts to an act of terrorism is because of the types of missiles they say were used, the operation command of ukraine's forces in this region of the country and the south they say that russia wants caliber missiles, high precision

missiles that use gps system that can program in the coordinates, and specific locations. because of that, you have military leaders operating in the area, and calling this an obvious terror attack, and saying the specific things hit were primarily residential homes, residential high-rise building as well, as some sort of civilian, historical building 23 people, all of them, civilians were injured, and at least one person also a civilian was killed in this strike. meanwhile, the most intense fighting is still taking place in the east in the city of bakhmut. that has been by far the bloodiest and longest battle we have seen since the full scale invasion began the commander for the forces there, colonel general sursky, a local outlet, and talked about how despite how grinding the battle has been, how little territory has shifted between russia and ukraine, in their view, it's still worth the fight in the city. he said, one, because they have prevented russian forces from

expanding the front line for months now, and two, he said because of the fighting here, they have been able to inflict significant damage on russia specifically, he said, some of the most specialized units on their western supply as well as just other military equipment. all things that outside military analysts have said could put ukraine in a better position when they eventually launch that counter offensive in the south, which we have been told and expect it could come sometime soon chris. >> ellison barber, thank you. >> ron desantis is in jerusalem today where he met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, a man well known for his relationship with donald trump. gabe gutierrez spoke to the prime minister about that meeting. what did he tell you, gabe >> reporter: benjamin netanyahu walking a fine line, saying he's reluctant to weigh in on u.s. politics he said his meeting this

afternoon with governor ron desantis focused on iran, not u.s. presidential politics but as you said, netanyahu is seen as a staunch political ally of former president trump, and i asked him point-blank would he want to see a ron desantis administration or another donald trump administration, here's his response. >> president trump has been a great friend of the state of israel as well, and he did great things for the state of great fn it's wonderful to have great friends. >> he visited as a congressman and in 2019, as a governor, clearly trying to bolster his international credentials, foreign policy credentials ahead of an expected presidential run

potentially as early as next month. i did press the governor on what he thought about the controversial reforms that sparked protest in israel the last several weeks and months, and they said echoing in a way prime minister netanyahu, while israel is a strong ally, the u.s. should butt out of israel's internal affairs, according to governor desantis, chris. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you for that. >> and if ron desantis does in fact jump into the 2024 race, he has to get to his former ally turned potential foe, donald trump. how trump is lookingas pt the primary and tempting president biden in a new ad in just 60 biden in a new ad in just 60 seconds. the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. from prom dresses the to to workoutsrtise you need and new adventures

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event since his indictment, and also it's in the critically important primary state that set him on the path to the presidency back in 2016. n nbc's vaughn hillyard is in manchester, new hampshire, also with me, former gop communications director on capitol hill, and senior add vier to the lincoln project. great to have both of you. bring us up to speed, what's happening there? as we said, new hampshire has been huge for donald trump in the past. >> reporter: right trump is going to be speaking here in downtown manchester, just about 90 minutes from now this is his of course first campaign event we should note since he was arrested in new york, and the first campaign event for him since joe biden announced his reelection effort. of course when you're looking at the primary here, there is a reality for every other potential republican operation, looking to take on donald trump is that donald trump's political operation has done this twice before already when you're looking at a smaller state like new hampshire and just a republican electorate and

the need to turn out and solidify support, they have done it in the past, and they intend to do it here again. the likes of ron desantis trying to build an operation here, and nicky nikki haley, they are starting from scratch this is deb and claudia, when i asked them about their support for donald trump take a listen. have you guys considered anybody besides trump in the regular r race >> nope. >> trump 100%. >> it doesn't matter who's going to run again he's already been there. he knows who the swamp creatures are. he knows who his enemies are he did it once he's going to do it again. they stopped him. >> reporter: do you guys like desantis, nikki haley or rick scott. >> a good job, but too soon to run for president. >> he hasn't got enough gumption

in him and that will cut the republican party in half. >> reporter: chris, look at the polling here from the university of new hampshire, over the last four months, ron desantis, while he pondered a presidential run himself, he was looking at actually building a base of potential support, but what you have seen over the last three months, according to that polling is a 32 point swing here in favor of the former president. i was talking to one oether woman, and she told me a couple of months ago, she was considering ron desantis, after learning about his votes to cut social security, she's going to go with the person she knows and trusts and that is donald trump, and that's why you see him as the presidential candidate trying to solidify that support and trying to undercut ron desantis before he's an official candidate. >> tara, at least according to one of the folks that vaughan talked to, ron desantis doesn't

have enough gumption what's your take on the dramatic shift in the poll numbers, what do you think is driving it >> there's a few things, first in politics, you're popular when the idea of you as a candidate is out there when people get to know you if you see the polls going in the opposite direction, which is what happened with ron desantis, that's never a good sign and so what's happened is people have gotten to know ron desantis more other than just the specter of him doing what he does in florida, okay, this guy's got it, until they started to be exposed to him more and more and saw how arrogant and awkward he is he's not a good retail politician his book tour has been a disaster this obligatory foreign policy trip that he's on to try to demonstrate that he has some type of foreign policy chops has also been a disaster with a weird reaction during the japa trip

and ron desantis does not have it they're right. he doesn't have the gumption he's allowed the trump campaign to define him, which is another major fail when you're running a campaign never let your opponent define you first. we're seeing that in the numbers as he's hemorrhaging donor support the more they get exposed to him not a good couple of weeks for ron desantis >> and the polls haven't just slipped in new hampshire, as you know, they have slipped nationally as well, and basically, donald trump is jumping ahead, he's going after joe biden. i want to show you part of his first campaign ad. it just came out yesterday >> it's an invasion of america streets flooded with poison, killing millions enemy, and tyrants on opposite sides of the globe laugh at us wars threaten us the threat of nuclear annihilation once forgotten is now real again america's weakness has become

their strength, but one man can change all of that for us. put america, the middle class first and put the globalists, elitists and corrupt in their place. >> a little bit of an apocalyptic start for him. that did work for him. when he won, even in his inaugural address, it was pretty apocalyptic. can it work again, though? >> it's not going to work in the general election it's clear, if you look at the polling, people do not like donald trump in the general election we're talking republican l politics, primary voters, we have this cultish affinity they have this voice, and they feel empowered by him. a party of white grievance, a party of resentment, antipathy toward pluralistic democracy donald trump embodies all of those horrible things. when you talk about a general

election, no as long as president biden who's been doing an excellent job as president has gotten a lot of things done. he's accomplished a lot. democrats need to continue to focus on the positive and show the contrast there's a clear contrast president biden is correct when he says we are battling for the soul of our democracy and our nation, and they need to stay fo focused on that and get away from the idea of his age and he can't do the job, and enough of that they need to stand solidly behind the president of the united states who's actually doing a great job, not a threat to democracy, and doesn't have love affairs with authoritarian leaders. >> tara setmayer, thank you so much, good to have you on the program. here's something you don't typically see at a white house ?

>> yeah, and i won't pick up where president yoon left off. i'll spare our audience my attempt at some karaoke, but there was obviously a lot of ceremony, light hearted moments you often see whenever you have state visits to the white house, but a lot of the business, as well, as the two leaders, president biden, president yoon, touting the washington declaration, consultation, cooperation, as it relates to the nuclear threat posed by north korea. you even heard president biden

as the two leaders spoke in the rose garden say any nation, obviously he was referring to that would attempt to launch the nuclear weapons would cease to exist. strong rhetoric as the u.s. as part of the agreement is sending a nuclear arms submarine to south korea for the first time in decades as you see president biden, doing a lot, standing side by side with the leader from asia, it's a reminder of what is a guide post, which is countering

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month, earlier in her questioning, she was asked about a photograph where she and trump were seen, and she was asked when that was, where that was, and there were aspects of all of this that she keeps saying i don't remember, i don't remember, but she does say she vividly remembers the attack, and that's what the defense is trying to do, put in the jury's mind, the fact that she can only remember this but can't remember other things she perhaps should, and we expect this questioning to go on through the afternoon, the cross-examination, now, again, really focused on what happened at bergdorf, why were there no witnesses in this department store on fifth avenue in new york, no witnesses have come forward to say they saw trump and carroll in the store she described going up an escalator, six flights, no one saw that she described the area where they were shopping, no store attendants around, why was that. again, the defense -- trump's attorneys are trying to convince the jury that they are story is

unbelievable that's what they said in the opening statement, and that's what they're trying to do now on cross-exa cross-examination. >> ron allen, thank you for that. to break down the trial and other cases relating to the former president, i'm joined by charles coleman, former prosecutor and msnbc analyst donald trump has been posting a lot about this case on social media but would you expect him to testify in person under oath? >> i would not, chris, and i think the things you indicated are things that to me suggest you won't be showing up. when you're talking about what it is to testify under oath, it's very different than going on truth social and social media and saying something, not having the penalty of purgerjury hangig over your head he opens way more doors than he closes i would not expect to see him show up in person. >> in the other new york case involving donald trump manhattan d.a. alvin bragg talked about

his own safety yesterday there was a virtual town hall he did with a new york city councilman, take a listen. >> i don't think a ton about my personal safety. i know that they are the best at doing this i do worry you know, as an employer, we have more than 1,500 people work at the manhattan district attorney's office, and they're coming and going throughout lower manhattan, and worry about the neighborhood >> is he right to be worried about the safety of those 1,500 people who work at the d.a.'s office >> he is, chris. i think that that is a sign of strong leadership. having been a former district attorney myself, i can say that you are always mindful of how people outside of your office are interpreting your job, and at the end of the day, we live in an extremely volatile space around our political discourse, and everything about what d.a. bragg is doing in manhattan is being carefully chronicled and

watched and being put out and you never know when any of his assistants might be in danger. this is the right level of concern, strong leadership, and it is absolutely appropriate, given the case of this n magnitude. >> two allies of former trump adviser, steve bannon was sentenced in the we build the wall scheme, you know, where they got money but didn't use it to actually build the wall it's serious prison time, i mean, three years for one, four years for another, and it's a remin reminder of the staggering number of people who have faced criminal charges, allen weisselberg, michael filynn, pal manafort, nearly a thousand january 6th defendants what's bannon's prognosis? >> every time i hear another conviction take place, i say to myself, i remember when donald trump was campaigning, her talked about how he had all the best people, and in

my opinion, a really really consistent theme among trump's support of loyal circle about him having the best people, and ironically, most of those people being convicted of very serious crimes. >> charles coleman, thank you, always good to have you on the

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not rule he took it under advisement as to whether he will keep jack teixeira in jail we know from the court documents that the government made a forceful presentation for why they think this airman is a risk to u.s. national security if he's released. they believe that he has access or could have access to vastly more classified information than has been made public they're concerned that a foreign power could try to recruit him, who would have every interest in

trying to help him get out of the country and they paint a picture of him as somebody whose state of mind was trafficking in violent rhetoric on social media, who is fascinated with guns, who, you know, can't be trusted to keep a promise because he couldn't be trusted with classified information. now, his attorneys push back strongly on that and andsaid, lk he has no prior criminal record. he has many relatives until the community that could watch over him. if he was released, they wanted him to go to his father's house, which is monitored with ring cameras, and they have plans for him not to have access to the internet in cases where national security is concerned, judges give great deference to the government, and the government is saying it would be very dangerous to release jack teixeira. >> courtney, while the justice department prosecutors him, the military is trying to figure out if anybody else might have been responsible. what's the latest on that investigation? >> that's right. and frankly, there's a number of

investigations ongoing right now. there's an air force inspector general investigation that we got a little news out of that. the air force has temporarily suspended two commanders at otis air national guard base in massachusetts, where jack teixeira was assigned when the alleged leaks occurred one of them, it's not the overall commander of the 102nd intelligence wing, the unit he was assigned to. it's the squadron that supports the overall intelligence wing. the commander was temporarily suspended, and then the person who's in charge of essentially supporting guardsmen, guard men and women who were activated on active duty like he was in this case both of them temporarily suspended pending the outcome of an air force inspector general report the reality is we should, we will, we expect to see more people held accountable, if, in fact, it turns out that these leaks occurred out of this air force base, the intelligence

wing the military tends to look at the commanders, the command climate they have settle, and so i expect that over course of the next several weeks and months, we'll learn about more held accountable, even if they weren't directly responsible for the leaks. >> likely to be people who worked in the unit or could it go beyond that >> commander, so, yeah, the leaders of the military unit are responsible for setting what the military calls the command climate. they're responsible for teaching the subordinates in their units, how critical it is to safeguard classified information we often see that when there is some sort of a wrong doing that occurs in a unit that the commanders, the leadership there are held accountable in some way, certainly not in the way we see jack teixeira being arrested, but more in the form of reprimands, that's the thing we expect to hear in the course of the next days and months.

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it is set to expire just hours from now refugees are racing to the country's borders and ports hoping to escape while they still can as nations work to evacuate their citizens before that truce expires those who stayed behind in the capital khartoum are seeing supplies of food and medicine dwindle to perilous new lows nbc's raf sanchez is following the story. the truce is supposed to be in effect i have been reading reports of air strikes in the capital, fierce fighting in the darfur region i'm wondering, what more can you tell sus >> well, chris, all day there has been intensive behind the scenes diplomacy conducted by the united states and other nations to extend the cease fire, albeit apache cease fire beyond the 6:00 p.m. deadline tonight. in just the last few minutes, there are some indications that those diplomatic efforts may be bearing fruit. the sudanese military has said

they have agreed to an extension of the cease fire by 72 hours, so rather than expiring tonight at 6 eastern, it would go through until sunday now, we have only heard from the regular army we have not heard from the rapid support forces, the para military group they are fighting against. we don't know if both sides have agreed to the cease fire it was brokered by the u.s. and saudi arabia saudi arabia has been a major player in sudan. it's one of its regional neighbors. it's where a lot of refugees have been evacuated to, and in earlier today, we saw secretary of state antony blinken meeting with the secretary general of the united nations in washington they talked at the dire humanitarian situation and the need for an extension to the cease fire take a listen to a little bit of what the secretary general of the u.n. had to say earlier

today. >> in both stages some success >> reporter: and chris, you can see from the body language there, a lot lof uncertainty about whether these diplomatic efforts were going to come through, and frankly, some uncertainty about whether the cease fires are leading to an end to the violence. there has been a lowering of violence in khartoum, the capital over the last couple of days as you said earlier today, witnesses said air strikes are being resumed in the city, those are being carried out against the rapid support forces there's a lot of concern about what's going on in the western region of darfur, a place we heard a lot about when there was the genocide violence.

there have been widespread reports of looting, also of armed men going into u.n. buildings, into government buildings, raiding international aid agencies, so a lot of concern, but hopes that the cease fire can be extended chris. >> thanks so much for that show down in jackson, mississippi. as the state legislature passes legislation that some residents say are a racial take over of the courts and police. we'll explain ahead on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc t. and you can't forget about the boss. sometimes- you just want to eat your heroes. the subway series. the greatest menu of all time. (vo) verizon small business days are back. april 27th through may 3rd. the subway series. get a free tech check and special offers. like a free 5g phone. get started today with verizon business. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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there's a looming show down over race, justice and policing that's playing out in jackson, mississippi. the state legislature passed a law that some say amounts to a take over of policing and courts in the state's capital city which is more than 80% black trymaine lee traveled to jackson and spoke to black residents who say their concerns are being ignored. >> this is my daughter right here >> last december, 49-year-old la latasha smith was shot in the forearm. >> the bullet caught me right here. >> reporter: officials say the shots were fired by a mississippi capital police officer who was chasing people after they fled a suspected stolen car this summer, mississippi will

expand the jurisdiction of the state run police force from the downtown capital complex to all of jackson, under two new controversial laws passed by the republican-led majority white legislature. house bill 1020 and senate bill 2343 will essentially create a new justice system within jackson with its own unelected municipal court and expanded police force that the city has no control over. jackson, which is more than 80% black said the move diverts power away from the voting citizens of jackson, amounting to a state-led takeover of criminal justice in the city naacp president derek johnson is a long time jackson resident >> it is not a solution for the state to step in without any true coordination conversation, and use of the authority of the city of jackson. >> reporter: the civil rights group is suing the state to block the laws, claiming jackson's residents have been

targeted for a separate and unequal policing and criminal justice system >> law and order is critical >> reporter: governor tate reeves denies any attempt of taking power away from jackson, adding the laws are meant to

officials who oversee the police are investigating the police, and the several officer-involved shootings that have occurred since they began expanding last summer, among them the fatal shooting of 25-year-old jalen lewis during a traffic stop in september. also under investigation, the shooting that injured latasha smith. >> the black community, and all of these departments are filled with people. what gave him the right to come in this community and shoot. >> reporter: responding to concerns we told we heard from jackson residents, commissioner tindall said the department is working on being more transparent. >> once the investigations are complete, not only are the videos going to be made public,

but the investigative files will be made public. >> reporter: smith says she has more questions but she won't be in jackson while she waits for answers. >> i went today after work looking for a house to get out of jackson, mississippi, because i refuse to stay where capital police will be involved. >> when i asked commissioner about the shooting of latasha smith, he said the investigation is ongoing they have filed a lawsuit against the capital police department and commanders, accusing them of acting recklessly