committee for lowering prescription drug prices this would be over and above some of the stuff that happene and passed into law for th i.r.a. given that you have bipartisan deal here, is i going to get a senate vote doesn't have a chance in the house? >> i believe it's going to get a senate vote. in one form or another they will get the senate vote, and look, when you talk abou prescription drugs, guess what you don't won all of the republicans concerned abou that terribly. our republican colleague understand that. there is no excuse when th pharmaceutical injury mate tens of millions of profit every day, and so this bill to be honest with you, it's a goo step forward it is modest we are going to go further we have, i believe on may 10th the hearing. we're going to be bringing int the committee the ceos of th major drug companies in this

country, actually worldwide. we are going to ask them about lowering the price of insuli and making drugs affordable fo everybody in this country. >> bernie sanders, a pleasur as always. that's all in on this thursday alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex >> there's a lot of people underestimate in - great show, as always. and thanks to you at home fo joining us this evening. it is a big test for the vic president of the united states a test of his competence, an of his fitness to serve second in command. just a heartbeat away from the presidency in that moment, the vice president failed, he failed to spell the word potato. >> potato. >> very good

and a little bit to the end, they spell that again. potato >> that was former vic president dan quayle in 1992 telling it had to add in eat t the end of the word potato a lesson for all kids an adults everywhere, there is no easy at the end of the wor potato i myself remember at the tim vowing to never spell potato run again. it was a signal moment and yes, moments like that earned dan quayle a reputation as a bumbling vice president maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed but in late december of 2020 then vice president mike pence was desperate, donald trump wa refusing to concede th election despite having clearl lost to joe biden. trump was putting amends pressure on the vice president to use his ceremonial role i

counting the electoral votes t deny president biden's victory and instead falsely proclaimin trump the winner of the 2020 election mike pence called one of the few people on this earth tha had ever held that ceremonia role before. he called dan quayle, this i from bob woodward and bo costa's book quote, over and, over penc asked if there is anything h could do mike, you have no flexibilit on this. none, zero, forget it, put i away, quayle told him. pence pressed again, you don't know the position that i'm in, pence said >> i do know the positio you're in, quayle responded, i also know what the law is. you listen to th parliamentarian, that's all yo do, you have no power. the man who could not spell th word potato, acting as a voice of reason. how he underestimated to, in quayle during this period, vice

president mike pence was obviously frantically seekin advice from experts, and eventually killed michae luttig, a deeply respected judge for the conservative movement he told pence the same thing he had zero authority to chang the outcome of the election. by early january, pence and hi lawyers were openly arguin with trump and his lawyer, joh eastman, about whether or no the vice president had the authority to do with trump wanted he was pence aide greg jacob testimony to the january 6th committee about that ver specific period. >> our review of text, history and frankly just common sense, all confirmed that the vic presidents first instinct wa on that point. there is no justifiable basi to conclude that the vic president has that kind of authority. >> president trump continued t pressure pence, both privately and publicly on january 4th, he ratcheted u

the pressure at a rally in georgia. >> and i hope mike pence comes through for us, i have to tell you. i hope that our great vice president, our great vic president comes through for us he's a great guy >> a january 5th, he kept at it, tweeting the vice president ha the power to rejec fraudulently chosen electors by the morning of january 6th, just hours before rioters an stormed the capitol, trump called pence won last time, an by all accounts, trump was furious. liquid aides of the presiden told the january 6th committee >> did you hear any part of th phone call, even just the en that the president was speakin from >> i did, yes. >> what did you hear >> as i was dropping off the note, my memory, i remembe hearing the word win it called him a wimp you are a wind, you'll be a wig,

something to that effect i made the right decision fo five years ago >> and the way that she relaye to you, where the presiden called the vice president, and i apologize for being in place but you remember what she said her father called him? >> the p word. >> a wimp, the p-word. those are the ways that then vice president of the united states said for that vic president. when the moment came, penc prepared to do what his oath and u.s. constitution required him to do, and that was when a mob of violent trump supporter began to descend on th capitol. president trump tweeted out on final missive about his vice president. mike pence did not have th courage to do what should've been done. the mob got the message. >> i'm telling you, what i'm hearing them just caved.

i'm hearing reports that pence caved. if pence caved, we are going t drag him through the streets you politicians are going to get drug through the streets >> the hope is that there' such a show of force here that pence will decide to do th right thing, according t trump. >> [crowd chanting bring out pence! >> during the january 6t hearing, it shows how clos that mob got to pence that day he was escorted out of the chamber, taken gentlelady dock in the basement of the capitol where he refused to get into a waiting armored limousine, because he was worried that th secret service might take hi away from the capital. he stopped him from doing th thing that he knew he needed t do since then, he has spoke carefully and sparingly abou what happened leading up t

january 6th. he wrote a book about hi experience that left readers with more questions than answers about what truly happened that day. in speeches and tv interviews, he's bleakly reference this day, as this is a - where he recounted the exchang between him and his former bos on the morning of january 6th. >> i picked up the phone, an the president asked me where i was on the electoral count tha would take place that day. i told him, despite what you issued last night from you campaign, mister president i've been very clear i do not have the authority to reject votes during th electoral count, or return those votes to the states. it went downhill from there. the president became very irat on the phone he said that if that was true, then he made a mistake fiv years ago. >> up until today, that is wer

the few public utterances that effectively the only firsthand accounts for mike pence, and they were all federa investigators had to go on until now. this morning, shrouded in motorcade of black cars. the former vice presiden entered a federal court hous to testify before a federa grand jury in an investigation into the man that he spent fou years serving. he was there for more than seven hours. so yes, mike pence wrote a boo about what happened. yes, a talked about it in tv interviews he has repeatedly soft shoot around it in speeches, but thi is the first time that thi vice president, or any vic president has sat down under oath, behind closed doors an told the department of justice about the extraordinar position that he was in during one of the most extraordinar moments in american history. joining us now is congressma adam schiff, who served as a

member of the january 6t committee. congressman schiff, thank yo for joining us tonight there's no one i'd rather talk to about this development at this moment. i wonder how you are looking a this in the broader lens o history? just the precedent being set the fact that a vice president has gone into the department o justice to testify for the department of justice about th actions of the president tha he formally served, an potentially undermine democracy. >> it is a historic moment truly unprecedented. other events taking place, w are deeply frustrated at the january six committee that the would not come and testify before the committee and that we did not have the luxury of time to compel him t do that. he needed to tell a story, needed to tell an under oath so one thing as you point ou to go to carefully, catche words. the special counsel want t allow that he's going to have to be fully

forthcoming, and i think tha it signals that this is coming near the end of the specia counsel's investigation. more than anything else, to me it's an affirmation of the rul of law, still working in thi country. a vice president cannot hide behind falsified privilege, or the political expedience about wanting to testify about somebody popular in that party it's not a good enough reaso to do your duty, and the court would uphold that subpoena, an compel them to speak unprecedented, certainly ver important to investigation, an also invalidates the rule of law. >> of course, the rule of law. with your deep familiarity o the events of january 6th, wha would you ask the vice president? what do we not know that w need to know about the run u on january 6th and the day o itself >> i can say, as a forme member of the january 6t committee, and also as a forme

prosecutor, with the justice department will be mos interested in is what th presidents state of mind was what was his intent? if you look at some of the powerful testimony, when donal trump is on the phone, top justice department officials he goes through these claims o fraud in the elections, -- there's no there there, we looked into that, that wasn' true what does the president say? he says, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. that is powerful evidence of intent the prosecutors of a special counsel, they will b interested in what other powerful evidence of the presidents malign intent's culpability in mike pence' testimony. did he acknowledge to mike pence, as you know in his ow top justice department officials, that he knew thes claims of fraud were false

that he knew these didn't have the authority to do what h wanted if, the report for example, if the reports are accurate if yo are two on us to do what i wan you to do. that's an admission that h knows what it would require, deception in line. i think that it's intent tha they will go ahead for sure. >> firsthand account of th presidents intent seems to b very valuable in this. i do wonder, because mike penc tried to fight off the subpoen by invoking the speech and debate clause, and som questions are going to be of the table for prosecutor because the judge has grante limited privilege, if you will about the account -- because of that debate clause. how do you see that hamperin of potential lines o questioning? do you think that there are ke moments in and around januar 6th the january 6th -- doj cannot ask questions about >> i think that it will have very limited bearings on wha the justice department needs t know most of the damage is done before the conversations wit

the president, before he presided over that session, th speech and debate class, eve arguably applying. some of those prio conversations with the president in december, other in january, even the morning o before mike pence watched that chamber. i don't think there's an privilege that applies, and so i think they will be ver limited in what they can ask and with the precedent tha would be required to answe those questions. and so i don't think that it's going to adversely impact th prosecution at home. >> your lawyer, like a good tw leaves i know mike pence said h didn't want to testify, bu he's put so much at. there is top aides hav testified in front of the gran jury do you think he's ready to tell-all behind closed doors is there a chance that any o this will come out for publi consumption at some point? >> he resisted telling what he

knew, and he resisted with our committee. he resisted until he was compelled to by the court. mike pence is thinking about mike pence, thinking about his presidential, campaign but one thing that he's not required t do that might alienate any o the trump voters and so, i'm sure the special counsel will have to pry everything up, and what they needed and so i don't think that this was mike pence deciding, okay, here's the time to go forward, and i think this was the momen when mike pence was still, you're going to have to star your presidential campaign aside, you're going to have to tell the truth, the whole trut and nothing but the truth. the idea that mike pence i still trying to court trum supporters, i'm not going to comment on that logic. but anyway, we will wait to se what comes out of all this congressman adam shift, than you so much -- go ahead >> it's potato logic >> it's potato logic >> i'm just harking back to bu --

>> i see what you did. thank you so much congressma for making the time tonight. >> a pleasure. >> joining us now is devli barrett, national security law enforcement reporter for the washington post. devlin, thank you for making some time to chat for what i going down here. i just wonder if you are reading anything into the fact that the vice president spok in front of that grand jury fo seven hours today. >> right, so we know it was significant time, amount o time that he spoke we also knew that there ha been a lot of legal buildup to get to this moment i think what you can read ou of that is that mike pence was one of the boxes tha prosecutors needed to check to finish their investigation i'm not saying they ar finished, but he is an important part of this, becaus there's a bunch of important conversations that they need t do everything they can togethe all the evidence they can abou those conversations. >> i think everybody is asking this question about what is th signal in terms of the timelin of this special counsel probe. and i wonder if you have any

if you have a thesis on that i know some people said look this is the end, but tha doesn't mean we're going t have a charging decision comin up anytime soon. how do you read this in th grand scheme of what jack smit is doing here? >> i don't think we can predic the future out of this i do think we can say that the had to do everything the could. the prosecutors had to d everything they could to get this story of the trum conversations and eastma conversations with mike penc from mike pence. they have it from other people but they have to check every box and mike pence is a bi important box for them i also think you can think o this in terms of, specia counsel investigation is covering a lot of differen ground, a lot of different directions so i think when it comes t conversations inside the white house, conversations directl connected to the president himself on the issue of th file tabulation of votes

getting mike pence's testimony means that they are close to gathering all of that type o evidence but there are still lots o other categories of evidence that they have to get him to g through. >> i do wonder, mike pence has spoken in recent days, i think as recently as monday, about the lawyers that wer surrounding president trump. if we have time to play, tha can we please do that? >> is there anything that yo could tell the grand jury that either the former president or a member of senior staff, that you saw and observed, committe crime? >> well, you know, i just don' know, leland, if it's criminal to take bad advice fro lawyers. this was an instance, as i wrote about at great length in my memoir, where in th immediate days leading up to january 6th, i saw a cast of characters, lawyers, tha frankly should never have been allowed on the white house grounds, giving the presiden

council that was just simply not grounded in history or the constitution and the law so we will comply with a law we will tell our story >> this seems to be sort of, like, the convenient middl ground for pants, to admit tha bad things were done, but tr and shift the blame to the lawyers. having said that, i mean, ho do you rate the peril th potentially john eastman and rudy giuliani may be in, given what the vice president saying in fact that he testified in front of a grand jury and is likely to have talked abou those bad lawyers? >> i think could see a lot o ways in which the prosecutor are looking closely at peopl like john eastman and rudy giuliani that's clear i think mike pence is anothe avenue of gathering that kin of evidence. so i think that is important but i also think what penc said in that clip is important in this sense. i don't necessarily think of mike pence as, i don't assum that that evidence i particularly damaging to donal trump. mike pence may even, as

witness, try to help donal trump. but i think the experience o mike pence, overall, i important evidence for the entirety of this case, and the entirety of what prosecutors have to decide, as to whethe there are criminal charges here >> do you think, devlin, tha what pence is behind close doors, is eventually going t come out assuming, i suppose if there i eventual prosecution, there's high likelihood that we're going to find out what he says right? >> right if there were a trial on any subject, presumably would ge an understanding about wha mike pence said in grand jur jury i think frankly with high-profile investigation like this, there is a high chance that at some point this version will come out. but mike pence has been very adamant that my private versio will be the same as my publi version. >> the only difference, though is he is saying it under oath, and the doj can ask some follow-up questions, which i a sure they will have devlin barrett, thank you

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lawyers are demanding happen t the special counse investigation into trump's mishandling of classifie documents down at mar-a-lago quote, the department of justice should be ordered to stand down stand down that was the conclusion of a new ten-page letter from trump's lawyers. nothing to see here, just shut the whole thing down now criminal defense attorneys regularly appear before judges and argue that the charges against their clients should b dropped or that an investigation infringes on their clients rights but trump's lawyers did no address that in a letter to th judge, nor did they addres that letter to the departmen of justice they didn't send it to a judge they didn't send it to do th doj. that plea for relief fro donald trump's legal team wa addressed to a republica member of congress

specifically to the republican chair of the house intelligenc committee. and that is highly unusual but trump's legal team i asking here for congress t interfere with an independen criminal investigation in their letter, the lawyers argue that it wasn't trump's fault that this classified documents ended up a mar-a-lago it was white house staffers an deep state government employee who were to blame. but as the washington post reported back in august, trump saw himself, trump himself oversaw the collection o documents that were sent t mar-a-lago that is not the only questionable part of thi latter throughout it, trump's lawyers attempt to blur the lines by basically ignoring the key allegations against mr. trump, like, for example, the trump obstructed investigators i their attempts to retrieve documents, that it took a year to get 15 boxes of highl sensitive documents back and it also took a subpoena an a raid to get the other hundre

and three classified documents that were also in trump' possession no need to mention all of thos other details in the letter. nothing to see, folks. that letter from trump's lawyers to the top republica on house intelligence committee, it was also sent to congressma jim hangs, ranking democrat on that committee, and a member o the gang of eight. and as a result, congressman hines has seen some of these documents after the grou gained access to them two week ago. joining us now to discuss al this, in congressman jim himes himself, member of the house intelligence committee congressman, thank you for joining me tonight i wonder if i am in some way reading this wrong, but on its face, this effectively seems like a letter that is asking republicans to override th separation of powers that is outlined in our constitution is it not? yeah, that's right on a couple of occasions i that letter the lawyers say th department of justice to b ordered to stop thei investigation. it's bizarre these are lawyers. they know that there is no

circumstance under which the congressman intelligence committee or the chairman of the intelligence committee has any authority to order, an frankly, massively improperly. not surprising, but massivel improper to imagine politica players, and in this buildin we're all political players, should get involved in questions around prosecution again, not surprising, right this is sort of a hallmark o donald trump but the latter is also full of such misrepresentations that i i read it i thought, these lawyers should probably pu them into some jeopardy by suggesting that biden di exactly the same thing, whic of course is absolutely no true, suggesting that th national archives didn't try t help donald trump, which is no true so again, classic trump lega strategy of creating as much uncertainty and doubt and fear you possibly can >> do you think that the lawyers are emboldened by th behavior of jim jordan, who is effectively opening an investigation at the bidding o trump's defense team into th manhattan d.a.'s crimina investigation into trump i mean, the separation o

powers question, or the role o congress in an oversight capacity, has been breached by in, one investigation, so hey, couldn't we do it here, as well? do you think that will have an effect on this >> maybe so, but again, ji jordan cannot be held to tas by the bar so ca shun or b judges for his behavior. he is of course protected by being a political figure, doin supposedly what passes for his job. lawyers of course can be hel accountable by judges, and w have seen that with any number of the council that, is mike pence so memorably said in your previou segment, was giving donald trump very bad advice. so look, at the end of the day i think these lawyer understand that they are dealing with a very seriou situation, and very seriou special prosecutor with a se of facts that is prett uncomfortable to them. and i know that they feel like those set of facts up agains the law is an uncomfortabl thing because they are doing these games, these pr stones that frankly make absolutely n

sense, but again, it sort of a classic attribute of the whole trump show which is create a much dust and uncertainty an fear as you possibly can and hope for the best. >> >> when you talk about th seriousness of thi investigation down mar-a-lago, you're one of the few people that has actually laid on eyes on these documents we know fro reporting some of the document you've likely seen include material on a foreign nation nuclear capabilities, papers with secrets about china and iran, briefings for foreig leaders ahead ahead of calls with foreign leaders, and maps containing sensitive intelligence i know you can't talk abou what you have seen, but is there a way you might broadl characterize the material that was taken from mar-a-lago? >> yeah. i certainly can't get into the details, but i can tell you, knowing generally what was i the materials, not just in mar-a-lago but what wa required from vice president pence's residents and what was recovered from president biden's offices i guess. it's serious stuff it is really serious stuff, an

frankly anything that is classified is potentiall serious stuff. and look, just think about the way, just ten days ago, people of this building were lighting their hair on fire over th leaks out of this hundred nigh intelligence unit in cape co massachusetts by thi 21-year-old airman everyone here was lighting themselves on fire over that a lot of those same people tha highly classified document were found in mar-a-lago the started saying we'll how classified was it really classified look, if it's classified it is potentially damaging to th national security the knighted states i can't get into the details but i can tell you based on oi is in there that some of thi stuff could be really really damaging were to find its way, or work to have found its wa into the hands of ou adversaries are frankly anybod else >> when you talk about how damaging it is to national security, in a letter to the trump lawyers say, basically shut down this doj probe, have the intelligence community d an assessment about this classified material. with intelligence community is already doing its ow investigation into just ho

damaging this breach o national security is, or the papers being in the wrong plac in terms of national security. do we have any sense of wher that investigation is and when we will have conclusions about the value of these documents t america safety >> yeah, so, that investigatio of damage assessment has bee underway for sometime, and we've gotten some preliminar judgments about what the answe may be there but this is tough stuff. a lot of documents there and what you care about in the document is not so much with the document says but you have to go back and look at, how di we come to know these things because it is in the how w came to know these things, whether a technical collection mechanism or maybe a person, a human intelligence source, you really need to go back and say could the russians or whoeve kind of work their way backwards to that source that's a matter of life an death for humans and frankly it's a lot matte life and death if technica collection gets compromised.

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were getting nervous on november 10th, fox news president jay wallace texted foxes ceo, suzanne scott the newsmax surge is a bit troubling. it is truly an alternative universe when you watch, but i can't be ignored scott replied, yes, and wallac followed up by texting, trying to get everyone to comprehend, we are on war footing. and they're now settle defamation lawsuit against fox news, dominion alleged tha this fear, foxes fear that the were losing their audience t newsmax, that that was the thing that drove fox to star pushing the big lie themselves dominion alleges that fo executives pushed for thei shows to tell fox viewers what they wanted to hear, regardles of the truth it was something they referred to internally as, respecting the audience on november 19th, the fox whit house correspondent go chastised by her boss fo fact-checking rudy giuliani' election fraud claims. she was told she had to do a

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store in the 1990s, an allegation the trump has repeatedly publicly denied calling it a hoax and ally and a scam to kick off cross-examinatio today, trump's defense lawyer, joe tacopina, followed his clients lead he peppered myths carroll with questions that appeared to b aimed at showing her to be a fame hungry financially an politically motivated liar during his opening statement o tuesday, mr. tacopina asked th jury, it all comes down to d you believe the unbelievable and that has been his strategy thus far focus on the idea of plausibility mr. tacopina spent a lot o time to be highlighting miss carroll this carroll man relax is why miss carroll didn't call the police why she didn't see doctor after the assault, wh shouldn't go to the hospital and after she testified that she used her need to try t push trump away during the attack, tacopina asked wha part of her knee she used.

prompting carroll to stand u in front of everyone and demonstrate exactly how she di it later, mr. tacopina asked wh carroll she didn't scream or call for help during the alleged assault. she responded, i'm not a screamer you can't beat up on me for no screaming. as tacopina continue pressing, carroll raised her voice and added, i'm telling you, he raped me, whether a screamed o not. mr. tacopina insisted he was only asking questions, but mis carroll called him out for asking the questions tha victims fear the most. quote, women who don't com forward, one of the reason they don't come forward is the are asked why they didn' scream some women scream, some wome don't. it keeps women silent. carroll is not the only one wh didn't appreciate this line of questioning. judge louis kaplan calle certain questions argumentativ and repetitive he also interrupted mr tacopina several times

demanding that he clarify an move on. despite those admonishments, tacopina's questions became so badgering, touching on subject matter that both parties agree previously was off limits, tha judge kaplan decided he ha enough the judge interjected one last time and then dismissed th jury while mr. tacopina was in the middle of a question about the dress miss carol wore on the day of the assault this is that exchange. mr. tacopina, even though yo didn't keep an account of hi alleged rape in your diary, yo did keep the dress you supposedly wore that day carroll, yes >> didn't throw it out >> didn't burn it? >> now i would never burn a beautiful item of clothing judge kaplan we're gonna break here for the day. we will return on monday at te a.m. and that was that. genius now is new york times columnist author in msnb contributor, michelle goldberg michelle, so good to see you i found so much of the transcript, what was said in

court today, riveting an extraordinary and distressing. one of the most sort o excruciating exchanges but als in lightning was e. jean carroll's description of how she thought about this, what she calls rape, in the moments after it happened. for people who haven't rea this, i want to read thi description in this exchange between her and mr. tacopina carol testified she though that trump was going to, w were in a laundry part o bergdorf bergman, and sh thought trump was gonna try on the grand jury himself she thought was a funn interaction. and then everything change when they get to the dressin room and that's where she says trum raped her. and then miss carroll says o the stand, i was going to tell my friend lisa the story, whic i thought was hilarious, and i got to the point where i had t tell lisa that trump pulle down my tights and before i said that, lisa had to tell me to stop

laughing my mind i think i woul slightly disordered it disoriented. tacopina says, you just said miss carroll that you were going to tell lisa a story tha was hilarious? >> yes >> so you thought the story of being raped by donald trump -- >> no i didn't think that stor was hilarious. i thought that story was tragic i wanted to tell lisa because hope lisa would tell me oh no, eugene, it's okay, it's okay it's all right but when i heard the words when lisa said he raped you, those were the words tha brought the reality to m forefront of my mind there is so much that societ puts on women in the aftermath of alleged sexual assaults and this goes so far i explaining the complexity of emotions, where you don't want to believe what just happene to you is actually rape. i found it just remarkably frank. how did you read it? >> i would say to. things yes, remarkably frank

and just remarkably real i think that in that moment yo are so stunned, you are so, yo think, is this really happening? could this be really happening and you don't want to believ it what really strikes me, though is the bizarre full circle nature of this moment. when you think about me too, m too started, i think, in response to donald trump's presidency there were women all over this country who were so angry, the felt so demeaned, so degrade that this president had been elected and it was very little they could do about it and so they went after the abusers, kind of lower down th totem pole they went after the abusers in their own lives an institutions and institution where they had some kind o power and influence. it kicked off this hug movement that eventually catalyzed e. jean carroll to tell her only two story. and brings us to this moment

when donald trump is finally being held to account, o potentially held to account fo the abusive of women that he has been accused of, and these are women that in some cases h has boasted about. but in this questioning, it is almost as if metoo didn' happen it's almost as if all of the reckoning and public dialogu that we have had about why victims don't act in the way that people who watch too much too many crime documentaries think they should act, why their own act that way and yet, why sort of sexua assault often doesn't play out the way people imagine tha it's going to play out and why that doesn't make it any les traumatic. it's almost as if none of that has actually happened with thi attorney >> yeah, i thought the exact same thing the idea that we're in thi pre-metoo moment where so much has been unearthed about the ways in which we doubt women when they tell us things

this notion of women a unreliable narrators when it comes to their own bodies. a lot of that was debunked i the aftermath of metoo and yet this is kind of jurassic version of american society where none of that that chapter didn't unfold, an that we didn't have a sort o come to jesus moment where i was like, you should believe women when they tell you things i just wonder if you think it' going to work as a tactic. the judge seems really skeptical of mr. tacopina' line of questioning. >> i cannot, i can't predict whether it will work i think new york city is a cit that has a no love lost fo donald trump but i think we have made som progress since me to, bu people still love to doubt women. we saw some of these, simila questions being put to amber heard. why didn't you go to the hospital and the defamation case th johnny depp brought agains her. and the jury bought it

and so i think that the reason it lawyers have tried to impug the credibility of rape victim is because people ofte reflectively doubt women's tails of abuse and the way tha they don't reflexive lee doubt other crime victims talkin about things that happen t them >> and certainly the leading trend right now, especiall among republican lawmakers, is to not believe women when they are talking about things tha happened to their own body o the subject of abortion. there are states now where foreman wants to have an abortion because she says sh has been raped, she has to hav a police report to back it up. i think in florida, idaho, wes virginia, georgia georgia an utah, it feels like a course correction from the years -- from when we took what women said about sexual assault at face value >> it underlines how much of a exception that was, how much

the kind of strange unusua moment it was, how quick and eager people were to return to a kind of pre-metoo or eve very pre metoo status quo, where women's word, wher women's words were simply wors worth less than men's. are >> what we do now is tha this trial is not yet over this is new york city. is not another part of the country. and the trial is still unfolding. michelle goldberg, thank you s much for making the time tonight, my friend we will be right back. enough was enough. i talked to an asthma specialist and found out my severe asthma is driven by eosinophils, a type of asthma nucala can help control. now, fewer asthma attacks and less oral steroids that's my nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma.

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