left the edenboro castle in more than 25 years. here's a note for all of you. tune into our special coverage of the coronation next saturday, may 6th. it begins at 5:00 a.m. it will run until 10:00 a.m. eastern, and i'm going to see you there. yep, i'm going to get up very early for it. meantime, that does it for us this hour. tune into "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc, and you can always catch me on alex witt reports at noon on saturdays and 1:00 p.m. eastern on sundays. meantime, our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. two more losses in two more red states. in south carolina and in nebraska last night, two bills which would ban or severely restrict abortion failed, and they both failed in two gop-controlled legislatures. let me explain.

first, in nebraska, on the floor was a bill to ban abortions at six weeks. but the republicans who have a 32-17 seat majority over the democrats could not pass it because one of the cosigners of that bill ended up abstaining. we're going to tell you why he did that in a moment. then in south carolina, a near total ban also failed. it's the third time the gop has tried to pass this bill down there since roe was overturned. this time, all five of the chambers female lawmakers struck down the quote human life protection act, including three republicans. here's two of them. >> maybe i'm confused about this legislation. or maybe the men who wrote it know more about pregnancy than the women in this chamber or across this state or the country who can actually get pregnant and give birth. women don't have sex just so they can go have an abortion.

just like men, i don't think, have sex to get pregnant every time. >> abortion laws have always been each and every one of them about control. it's always about control. plain and simple. and in the senate, the males all have control. we, the women, have not asked for as a senator from orangeburg pointed out yesterday, nor do we want your protection. we don't need it. we don't need it. we do not buy into the ruse that what you really want is to take care of us. gentlemen, we have always been able to take care of ourselves. >> we'll speak to one of those republican state senators, the one you saw second there in just a moment about what she says her party doesn't understand because it's not just south carolina, and it's not just nebraska, it's also kansas and wisconsin and montana and michigan. it is at the ballot box, and it is in the polls, and it looks like it's going to be a heavy,

political handful hanging over 2024. joining me now is nbc news washington correspondent yamiche alcindor. i teased it a moment ago. in nebraska, one of the cosponsors of the bill abstained, a republican, tell me why he did not vote, and why he ended up killing that bill? >> a fascinating situation in nebraska. on thursday, this bill to restrict abortions after six weeks of pregnancy failed to get the 33 votes it needed to advance. it fell one vote short as you said, when republican state senator reipe expressed concern that a six week abortion ban may not give women time to know they're pregnant. and introduced an amendment that would extend after 12 weeks, and making exception for fetal abnormalities incompatible. and he said republicans would be

voted out of office by women. to fellow republicans, we must embrace the future of rights, an interesting stance and words from a republican. >> he pointed to his own reelection campaign. he said, the primary he won by a landslide, but in the general election when he was running against a democrat, somebody he beat in the primary because it's open in nebraska, he only won by 5 points. he showed that abortion is a motivating factor for races and was trying to tell republicans they're on the wrong path. >> certainly. that's exactly what his message was. and you can see it. you were talking about south carolina. we saw, of course, in south carolina yet another motion, another attempt to restrict abortions even further fail. in some ways, it might be surprising before roe v. wade because we thought of red states as being the ones that would restrict abortion, but after roe v. wade, you've just seen woman after woman, republican women in particular say i do not want the

government to tell me how to control my body, especially when you're seeing bills that would not have exceptions for rape or incest, so you've seen this in kansas, we've seen this in other places in kentucky. the midterms were a real, i think, example of how much abortion rights were actually backed up and they were supporters of abortion rights in states that were red and blue. michigan, i think, is another good example where you saw another bill and effort to restrict abortions fail. in this regard, it's a political issue, and of course as women in south carolina were saying, it's also a moral issue. there's so many women around this country who say i don't want this to be part of a political debate. >> there's a lot of women, including republican nancy mace who i spoke to the other day saying she is pro life. that doesn't mean she's antiabortion in all cases. she believes there should be exceptions, room for a woman to make that choice. yamiche alcindor, thank you very much. and joining me now is south carolina republican state senator sandy sen, one of the three republicans who blocked her state's near total abortion ban. senator, thank you very much for

being with us. i heard your words there a moment ago on the floor, and they were powerful. this is about control. it's about men saying that they can take care of women or they should be in charge of taking care of women, i guess. explain what they're thinking, what you believe they're thinking? >> you know, a lot of them i think honestly do believe that we need them. i mean, they said that. even a young senator who was just elected and he's in his 40s, i would assume his wife is young, still child bearing age, but he believes he needed to protect young women from their doctors, and he really, you know, went after the doctors, and wanting to criminalize them. so i couldn't tell you why they think that way. i can tell you this, most of them who vote this way don't believe it, and they're getting an earful from their wives and their daughters who think that their views are just obtuse and

they're only voting that way to pander to what they think is the most popular side of the base. and it just is not. and i agree with the senator from nebraska who sat there and didn't vote because he thought things are going to turn on him. and south carolina, women are 51% of the vote. and to sit there and try and tell us that we need them to make these laws and the law they were trying to pass was 0 abortion. and many in the house wanted no exceptions. they did end up putting some exceptions in there, but basically nobody would be able to get an abortion unless they could prove rape, the sheriff would have to go investigate whether there was a rape. it's just a ridiculously oppressive bill. >> so, you know, your colleague also said and we played this, women don't have sex just to get an abortion. a lot of this debate, that's what the lawmakers who are

pushing the laws are insinuating, that a woman is loose and going out and she's promiscuous and showing up the next day at the abortion clinic or a few weeks later and just getting rid of it t like it's no big deal and it happens all the time. the numbers obviously disprove that, but also you talk about them having women in their lives who are pushing back, i wonder, still with all of the women this their lives pushing back and the numbers showing that it's a losing political issue, why this keeps getting pushed? >> you know, it's to pander to the base. and if you look at the republican creed, which is what i go by, there's nothingin there that's a social issue. i'm very fiscally conservative, but i don't like the pushing of social issues, and this one in particular has been pushed three times in six months. they knew what the outcome was going to be. we are all knew what was outcome was going to be. and yet we had to stand up and filibuster yet again. so this time i was very tough

with my words. i told them before they did it that if they made us go down this road a third time that basically they were going to get an earful, and they did. and now they're smarting about it. my leader told the local news, he would have an answer for me in 2024. in other words, he's going to, i guess, five women in the senate are too many. i guess he's going to come after this one. i was really tough on him, but he should not have led us down this path again. >> so let's ask about 2024 because you only beat your opponent, i believe, by two points, a democratic opponent, you represent charleston. are you worried that -- i know you have been clear about your position, but the position of the republican party is going to be a drag on your race? >> not really. we've already redistricted. i won, really, in a blue district, so i had crossover for sure. but, you know, i know that a lot of dems did cross over and vote for me, but as far as now we've

got a whole new district, i've been in office seven years. i'm not -- you know, i believe in term limits. this isn't my life. i have a job, a family. i'm not going to vote in a way that's going to oppress women simply because the party might want me to pander to them. the people that came up with the, you know, platform, these are just the people that go to these events, like year after year after year, and this is both sides, so you've got hard right, hard left people who come up with these, you know, the party platforms and you're not going to -- i'm not going to agree with everything on the party platform, this being one of them. and i think that this is an issue, really, that the people in my area are sick of. it has been polled, even my leader has polled it. 70% of republican voters in my area would agree with me. and i stand at first trimester, you know, so i'm not ridiculous either way.

zero or full out, you know, until you give birth. but we couldn't get our five supreme court justices to agree. they all wrote separate opinions. you're not ever going to get the full legislature to agree. it needs to go on a ballot, and they refuse because they know they'll lose. >> we put up the polling in south carolina, to show you how south carolinians feel as well. senator, thank you very much for being here. republican from south carolina. we appreciate it. >> thank you, katy. and joining me is uc davis law school professor and expert on the law, mary ziegler. what do you think of what state senator send was saying about what's going on in her legislature? >> it really is a sign of how much, at least perception of what the base wants as a hold over the gop because it's not clear if this law had passed it too might have gone awry in the state supreme court. there was no guarantee. of course a six-week ban had just been struck down by the

state supreme court, it was hard to see how a more stringent ban was going to work out, and it was going to make the gop look bad politically, and yet the republican party in south carolina persisted in this court, and it really is puzzling, legally, politically, and otherwise, until you realize, i think, that the contemporary gop in many ways, the post donald trump gop is one that believes that the only way it can win is not by appealing to majorities necessarily but riling up the people who most passionately support it. we're seeing that playbook in the abortion context, too, largely to the detriment of republicans. >> we saw south carolina last night, nebraska as well, as we said at the top of the show. we mentioned a bunch of other states, and i want to just remind everybody what's happening in those states. kansas, first state to vote on abortion rights since the supreme court handed down the ruling, overturning roe, that would have said there's no right to an abortion in the state. wisconsin, the supreme court --

state supreme court candidate, i'm going to have a hard time saying her name, janet, prevailed by a landslide in the highly consequential contest for the supreme court. she ran on abortion. montana, voters in montana rejected a ballot measure that would have declared an embryo or fetus a legal person entitled to medical care if they are quote born alive at any stage of development, including after attempted abortions. and in michigan, a near century old abortion ban that fueled one of the largest ballot drives in michigan history was repealed by governor gretchen whitmer, just months after voters enshrined abortion into their state's constitution. these are states, some of them are red. some of them might have problems in their own state legislatures or maybe problems voting in senators, republican senators or republican representatives because of abortion. but there's also some swing states in here. michigan and wisconsin, two states republicans would need to win back the white house. >> yeah, and you're starting to

see 2024 candidates acknowledging this, right? i mean, i think donald trump has tried to back away from his earlier role as the sort of champion of the antiabortion movement, and i think he feels he can afford to do that because he gave the antiabortion movement, the three justices to roe v. wade. i think the problem for gop presidential candidates is that this is no longer just an unpopular issue in swing states that there's the prospect of a president actually being able to stop purple, blue and red states from allowing abortion, even if voters want them to, via vehicles like the comstock act, so the issue has been nationalized by antiabortion groups, and by conservative federal judges, whatever conservative presidential candidates want the case to be, that's the reality we're already living in. >> mary ziegler, always great to have you. thanks again for joining us. >> thanks for having me. senate democrats are pushing back on chief justice john roberts who refused to testify

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information, katy. you know, chief justice john roberts had responded to durbin's request that he testify before their committee with an explanation of the ethics rules that the members of the supreme court are expected to abide by. and durbin simply thinks there's not enough information given to stories that have come out about the clarence thomas and his connection to a wealthy donor, and neil gorsuch and others. this is what durbin is asking for in his letter. he said the statement of principles raises more questions than it resolves, and we request that you respond to several key questions, and then it outlines a number of specific pieces of information that the committee is looking for to try and help explain what the penalties would be if a supreme court justice doesn't abide by this code of ethics, which many believe is a bit flimsy. this is the back and forth

volleying, there isn't movement toward strengthening the ethics laws that supreme court justices are expected to abide by. >> senator dick blumenthal of connecticut sits on that committee. he says that clarence thomas's failure to report those gifts on his ethics form was potentially criminal, his words. could they put forward charges? what can they do if they believe it's potentially criminal? >> they don't have the power to put forward charges. they could conduct an investigation, much like the january 6th select committee did, and then offer up a criminal referral to the department of justice if they wanted to investigate and potentially prosecute a supreme court justice, but man, that is so far down the road, and it would require a whole lot to happen between now and then. ka senator dianne feinstein represents the majority vote on the senate judiciary mmitte and she's currently absent, so, you know,

this would take an extraordinary moment under normal circumstances. we're not even operating under normal circumstances. it seems pretty difficult to see something like that actually coming to fruition. >> we'll see when the feinstein stuff comes to a head as well. ryan nobles, thank you very much. donald trump embraces a january 6th convict who said she wants a front row seat to mike pence's execution. >> so sorry, what they have done on january 6th. so bad. thank you. >> she's right here. >> terrific woman. >> speaking of mike pence, he spent seven hours in front of a d.c. grand jury also talking about the insurrection. what that means about when special counsel jack smith might make a charging decision. oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you booking.com, booking. yeah.

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former vice president mike pence spent hours in front of the d.c. grand jury answering questions about january 6th and

the 2020 election, a source familiar tells nbc news. here's his motorcade leaving the d.c. courthouse yesterday afternoon after that seven hours, by the way, of questioning. yesterday, donald trump, who lost an appeal to keep pence from testifying said he wasn't worried. >> mr. president, what do you think of mike pence testifying today? >> oh, i don't know what he said, but i have a lot of confidence. >> joining me now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. seven hours of questioning, remind us again what do we believe that jack smith was probably trying to get to the bottom of with the former vice president? >> reporter: that's quite a bit of time. knowing what we think jack smith is focused on and what we think mike pence's limited protection from having to answer questions based on a judge's ruling about the speech and debate clause leaves us thinking most of what jack smith wants to get from

pence would have been the conversations that pence was having with then president trump in the lead up to january 6th in late december, and in early january. and perhaps some of the conversations that would have been going on in pence's office with his counsel, with his advisers, as they came up with a plan to resist donald trump and his advisers that pence take a bigger role on january 6th. the january 6th committee on capitol hill got into a lot of this. they were able to get testimony from some of pence's closest advisers. they were able to get testimony from folks like ivanka trump who overheard some of the phone calls between pence and trump. pence has only ever told his side of the story in his book and in a "wall street journal" editorial. having to answer pointed, specific questions under oath from federal prosecutors might produce different or perhaps more illuminating answers that can fill in kind of some of the gray space we have had in the back story of what was going on in the white house on the days leading up to the 6th.

>> and then do we have an idea. i know this is a hard thing to ask. does this give us an idea of when jack smith might be deciding to charge. is there anybody else that is absent that he hasn't yet questioned? >> reporter: it gives us a little bit more information. our justice team has reported that there are other subpoenas still outstanding, folks we know about who are expected to come testify before jack smith's grand jury. you haven't done so yet. it's not as though pence is the end of the road here. i can't imagine any other witness having more of a legal back and forth before they were able to come testify. i mean, remember, pence had fought this, and the idea that he was exempted under the speech and debate clause from having to testify. donald trump's legal team fought this through an appeal's court ruling, that executive privilege. so i think pence is probably the hardest witness that jack smith was going to have to pursue to get him to testify in terms of legal back and forth. he won't be the last. that's a long way of saying they're not done yet, katy, you

can see how the runway might play out over the next couple of weeks and months. >> garrett haake, thank you very much, and joining me is msnbc contributor, and former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official, chuck rosenberg, always good to have you on. let's talk about sitting in front of a grand jury. why would a witness like mike pence sit in front of a grand jury. >> the first answer is because they got a subpoena, the second answer, which is much more to your point is because prosecutors can lock down their case by having witnesses testify under oath before a grand jury. you know, you don't need witnesses in a grand jury in order to indict a case. an fbi agent can go before a grand jury. hearsay is admissible. she could present the case in her investigation, and the grand jury could indict on that testimony alone. but prosecutors like to be sure that they know precisely what their witnesses will say if there's a trial one day, and one

way to ensure that is to have each of the witnesses testify before the grand jury because when you testify under oath before a grand jury, that becomes your testimony later at trial should you forget, should you deviate, should something else happen. prosecutors can rely on that sworn testimony, so it's a really good way to lock down a case. >> it's better than, say, just writing a book about it, because when you're writing a book, you're not -- you're not sworn. it's not an oath you're giving when you're writing that book. you try not to mislead your readers or hopefully try not to mislead your readers. chuck, let's talk about time line. garrett talked about outstanding subpoenas. it seems like in terms of the january 6th investigation, that mike pence is the big kahuna here. also, we are getting closer and closer every single day to the meat of the 2024 election. they're going to have debates starting later this year. there will be a primary season

that starts next -- end of january, early february. when might jack smith feel that he has to come out with a decision? >> well, good question. so first of all, we knew that you tend to put in your most important witnesses toward the end, not at the beginning. with a caveat, katy. sometimes you talk to witness b, and something he says makes you want to go back and talk to witness a again. and so you don't know they're at the end. it doesn't tell you who they're going to charge. i assume there are multiple subjects here. what they're going to charge them with or precisely when they're going to charge them. this is an important witness. you do your home work before witnesses are called to testify before the grand jury. you talk to other perhaps more minor witnesses. i think garrett's reporting is right. i heard what he said.

we're much closer to the end than the beginning. but it doesn't seem like we're quite at end yet. >> all right. and we are going to wait and see. don't want to get ahead of our skis on this story. chuck rosenberg, thank you so much for taking the time out to talk to us today. we appreciate it. during a campaign stop in new hampshire, former president donald trump appeared to deliberately embrace and comfort a woman who was convicted of resisting police orders at the capitol during the january 6th insurrection, the same woman who told nbc news she thinks members of congress should be executed. and that she would like a front row seat to former vice president mike pence's execution. >> this is like the best day. >> i hate to bother you. >> thank you, president trump, thank you, president trump. >> i love you. >> president trump -- >> we love trump. we love trump.

>> president trump -- >> mr. president. >> we love trump. >> get over here. >> president trump, i'm the college republican president, can we get a picture? >> thank you, president trump. >> nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard has more. >> reporter: hey, katy, look, the timing and the scenes cannot be ignored. they run directly perpendicular to each other. you have former vice president mike pence sitting inside of a d.c. courthouse in front of a grand jury providing testimony about his president donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. at the same time that trump himself is here in manchester, new hampshire, on a campaign stage trying to pave the way for another opportunity for him to get back into the white house after those efforts to overturn the last election failed, and donald trump is somebody who is

openly talked about potentially offering full pardons to the january 6th defendants who were charged in connection to the capitol insurrection. and donald trump yesterday after leaving this new hampshire stage, well, he made his way down the road to a diner, and inside of that diner, he came across one of those january 6th defendants, somebody who says that she served 180 days in jail because she refused to leave the capitol grounds on january 6th, and i, in fact, happened to talk just a few months ago at a different campaign, trump campaign event with that very individual who donald trump called yesterday a terrific woman and signed the backpack that she wore into the capitol that day. i want to let you hear part of the exchange a couple of months ago with that january 6th defendant that i had. take a listen. >> those were domestic terrorists inside our capitol, and i'm going to prove it on my

trial. >> who were the domestic terrorists? >> our congress that's been stealing elections for a very long time. our country has been under loss since 1871. >> reporter: what should the punishment of members of congress be? >> execution for being traitors, that's what our constitution demands. our constitution demands that traitors in our nation are executed. and that's what should happen to each and every person that hi jacked the voice of we the people. >> reporter: is that something that you see actually happening? >> yes. >> reporter: that woman, openly talking about execution of members of congress who voted to certify joe biden's 2020 victory. that is the woman who donald trump hugged as mike pence testified before a grand jury about the efforts to overturn the 2020 election, katy, these scenes are hard to ignore. >> vaughn hillyard with the context. vaughan, thank you very much. coming up next, what happened yesterday in the e.

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. e. jean carroll's civil case against donald trump will resume on monday after yesterday's intense cross-examination from the former president's defense team. joe tacopina went after carroll's credibility. why didn't you scream, he asked? i'm not a screamer, she said,

you can't beat up on me for not screaming. he raped me whether i screamed or not. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin who has been in the courtroom for us. thanks for being here. what was it like yesterday? >> searing. really emotionally exhausting, to watch the back and forth, not only between e. jean carroll and joe tacopina, even between her own lawyer who was gently guiding her through her testimony but still had to take her through wrenching things, including having her read tweets that people wrote about her in the wake of the former president's second defamatory statement in october of 2022. she basically said when he said this about me again, the attacks against me online were vicious, and so he had her read from a

sampling of them, a liar, and a slut, and too ugly to assault. she said i'm a person who likes attention but it is not the kind of attention anyone would want. >> joe tacopina brought up the dress she was wearing. what happened after that? >> the judge has made a ruling that the issue of whether or not that dress has donald trump's dna on it is not an issue for this trial. and the reason it's not an issue for this trial is because donald trump himself spent almost three years resisting providing a samp -- sample of his dna. when he started questioning e. jean carroll questioned her about the dress, he shut it down. tacopina said all he was trying to illicit is why did you hold on to the dress, why is that important. that's an odd behavior. he was trying to expose, i guess, that she was motivated by something other than her own truth and trauma and holding on to it. >> the trial resumes on monday.

is she going to be back on the stand? >> back on the stand for what tacopina is maybe half of his cross-examination left to go and her lawyer will bring her back to the stand for redirect, where he gets an opportunity to clarify with her a number of things she talked about with joe tacopina. >> do we anticipate donald trump coming and testifying in person? i know the judge was trying to get an answer out of tacopina, did he get one? >> not in public. if joe tacopina provided that answers, the journalists aren't aware of it. the jury isn't either. my bet would be donald trump does not show up. but trump being trump, he's trying to have the upper hand by refusing to provide a straight answer. >> we were talking about the interview she did with anderson cooper, she said rape can have different connotations, some people can have a rape fantasy, and donald trump was asked about this in his video deposition, which can be played in court.

and when he was talking about it, if you read it one way, it seems to imply that he was accepting her version of events saying if she said it was that way, then she said it was sexy. was that as damming as it reads on first glance or was he more accepting of what she was -- just a story she was telling, if she's told that story that way on cnn, then that's how she told it. >> i don't think so. i don't think donald trump is accepting that there was any sexual contact between him and e. jean carroll, certainly his lawyer's entire defense has been, a, this didn't happen. this woman is motivated by money, fame and political motivations, and if it did happen, she didn't behave the way we expect a true rape victim would. he talked with her about that interview. and she basically said i wasn't saying i think rape is sexy, i'm telling you that is how our popular culture portrays it as

long as i've been alive. >> the defamation piece can feel familiar because donald trump speaks a certain way about anybody he feels is against him. the rape side of it, it is a very big deal to accuse anybody of rape, but especially to accuse a former president of the united states of rape. is joe tacopina making any headway with poking holes in her story? >> he's made some headway with small holes in her story like, for example, whether or not she got a signing bonus when she agreed to publish the book from which the excerpt that led to the first airings against donald trump was signed. but the core of her story remains primarily in tact, and certainly that's going to have to be dealt with. >> lisa rubin, really good to have you here, thank you so much. you're our eyes and ears in the courtroom since there are no cameras allowed. we appreciate it. and a republican state lawmaker in montana is getting heat for suggesting she would rather risk her child's suicide than allow her to transition. >> one of the big issues that we

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in just a week, charles iii will officially be crowned. preps for the celebration are underway, but you won't be able

to go off of queen elizabeth's coronation program, because in the 0 years since she was crowned, things have changed. kelly shows us what it's going to look like. >> reporter: a new monarch, a different flag. charles iii presented the king's colors to his troops thursday in the gardens of buckingham palace. [ inaudible ] charles and queen consort camilla, honoring the troops. while behind the scenes, crews are stitching together uniforms for the big day, with the king's new insignia. in the skies, a practice session for what will be britain's biggest military ceremonial operation in 70 years. 60 planes, 6,000 troops, with one week to go to the coronation, preparations are underway and excitement is growing. >> london is like no other place.

this is like new york, l.a., and san francisco all combined. >> really cool to see this happening. and the tradition and the customs, and the ceremonies, it's spectacular. we don't have anything like this at home. >> reporter: witnessing history, the famous westminster abbey, at the senter of a centuries old ceremony that will crown a queen and king. an accountant turned farmer will carry the king's standard. an author and former children's tv host hold the scepter. prince william will kneel and pledge his allegiance. the prince and princess of wales showed the ropes thursday, repelling over a cliff with a mountain rescue team in wales. the couple, all smiles, picking up pizza after their adventure.

then this morning, another ancient tradition, the stone of destiny, used in coronations for centuries, leaving scotland and heading south. >> kelly, thank you very much. and that is going to do it for me today. it's friday! "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪ ♪ hi, everyone. happy friday. it's 4:00 in new york. there are two things that happened yesterday that underscore how the threat to our democracy that made itself most visible on january 6th endures. and how it just might, very soon, come up against the push for accountability. "the washington post" reports that donald trump on thursday praised and embraced a woman conv