we are seeing people organize across the country. and i'm so often -- we will eventually defeat the mainstream extremism. >> i'm very grateful for the conversation and grateful for your optimism, let's hope it paves out through the next election cycle. thank you so much for all of your efforts and for appearing with us. janet griswold. >> that will do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. but i'll see you tomorrow from los angeles, 1 pm eastern, 10 am pacific. my friend yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage. coming up now. >> we >> hey everybody, good afternoon. i'm yasmin the. again i'm coming to you live from washington d.c.. for tonight's white house correspondents dinner, i'm gonna have more on that ahead. but we have a lot to get to today. we are following breaking news out of texas, the gunman is still on the loose after a mass

shooting, yet again, that left five people dead including an eight-year-old child. we are keeping an eye on breaking weather news as well, around the country including the growing flooding threat along the mississippi river. plus, mike pence grilled, the latest on the hours he spent before the special counsel's grand jury. and the woman accusing donald trump of sexual assault defamation stands up to the former president's lawyers in a blistering cross examination. plus, this. >> when i have had friends who have taken their lives because of these bills. i have fielded calls from families in montana. including one family who's trans teenager attempted to take her life while watching a hearing on one of the anti-trans bills. so when i rose up and said there is blood on your hands, i was not being hyperbolic. i was speaking to the real consequences of the votes that

we as legislators take in this body. >> i will be joined by montana state representative, is that we zephyr, after her principal stand in favor of trans right got her booted from the legislature. her reaction to the, bill but she fought now becoming a law. a conversation you do not want to. miss we start with the breaking news. as we speak, authorities in cleveland, texas, they are trying to find the man on your screen. now his name is francisco oral pisa. police suspect him of carrying out a deadly mass shooting against his neighbors which claimed the lives of five people including eight-year-old child. we want to get right to nbc's priscilla thompson who is following this for us on texas. walk us through the suspect and how this all unfolded. >> we well, yasmin, an incredibly devastating scene here. there's a few moments ago someone who was very emotional walked up and was assured behind the crime scene tape

here. so it's probably a family member and they were just heartbroken and devastated over what has happened here. as you, mentioned five people dead and there were three other children who are in the home. police say they were covered in blood when they found. them it appears that some of the adults who died may have tried to shield those children. thankfully they were uninjured. but all of this allegedly unfolded over a noise complaint, a dispute where a neighbor asked another neighbor to stop shooting his gun outside. take a listen to a little bit of how the sheriff described how all of this played out last night. >> one of the victims came out of the house, asking them to quit shouldn't cause they're trying to put an infant asleep. and he turned around and walked back into his home residents. this man takes it upon himself to walk out of his residence with a loaded ar-15, and walk

out into the street, walk down the street, walk into that man's driveway. walk up into that man's house and start shooting. >> and police do believe that suspect, 38 year old, francisco or up hazza, was intoxicated when this crime was committed. he has been on the run since all of this happened. police tell us that they believe he is about two miles away in a wooded area, hiding out. so they have police, dogs they have police on horseback, they also have drones that are trying to locate that suspect. the sheriff had hoped they would be able to locate him in the next couple of hours, but still no update on that search here as he is now charged with five counts of murder. yasmin? >> we're gonna stay on, this of course in, the two hours -- facilitates. and we thank you for. that lets talk colorado for a, moment the governor they are signing for new gun control bills friday. a response to the nationwide surge that we're seeing in these mass shootings across the

country. the laws include a three-day waiting period for gun purchases, raising the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21. strengthening that states red flag law, and rolling back legal protections for the firearms industry. the bills passed, despite a filibuster, effort by republicans and legislature, and gun rights groups are already suing to stop the waiting period and raising the age to own a firearm, 21 years of age. we're also tracking the severe weather across much of the country this weekend. storms continuing in florida today, after tornadoes ripped through the panhandle flattening homes. more than 80,000 people remain without power in texas amidst thunderstorms that have brought high winds, golf ball-sized hail for several days. this is, how you see them in the, photo you see this. video not seeming to be very bothered by the weather. meanwhile, the mississippi river, it's rising to near record levels as the massive amount of snow that fell on the region this winter begins to melt. the river is already in when --

cities and, iowa, illinois they will have to wait at least a few more days. and b, c's george soliz, is along the i-what illinois border in pleasant valley for us, joining us now. this took a lot of residents, george, by surprise. how are they holding up amidst all of this? >>, yasmin the, best way that i've heard this described, it is a slow moving disaster. you had all the snow melt, then the neighborhoods began to flood about a week ago. residents started to see the water start to rise and then all the sudden, boom you have what we are standing and right. now to give you some context, that sign behind me says home for sale. you wouldn't know it from looking at, it but there is a neighborhood back over there. and so over the course of these days, the water has been rising. it's above flood, stage many residents almost every hour we see people coming in and out of this neighborhood in boats trying to salvage what they can of their homes.

right now, one of the biggest things that is frustrating residents is that they have no heat over there. all the utilities -- 140 customers in this area are without heat. many of them have to find a new place to stay as they are working, around the clock to try to save what they can. i, do you a lot of residents here say look, we are used to some of the flooding that occurs here. because we are up against the mississippi. but this is really, as you, mentioned it took them by surprise. so the emotions here are really running the gamut. many say, look this is our, how we're gonna stay, here we are sort of used to this. but others are still very emotional. i want to tell you a quick story about the he, leads you are about to hear from them. the husband and wife are trying to say what they can right now. the wife wants to go back to save what she can, her husband was over there earlier this morning and says, look there's no reason to go back. there what's gone is gone. let's pick up where we can. let's stay the night of the shelter and then come back once the water starts to recede. she was determined to go back

because she says, look this is my, home i want to say but i. can and she has been there since we had gotten here. so what to take a listen to what she told me about some of her concerns moving forward. >> my basement is up -- the water is high, lost love possessions because the water is so high. we took everything else out. >> to do expect it to be this? bad >> they said it would be a minor flood. >> this does not look. minor >> no, this is not minor. but they told us it was going to be minor. >> the other concern for residents right now, you see i am standing ankle deep right, now and that is for good. reason we don't want to get too deep into this water because there's a lot of runoff. but there is a current here. a lot of residents don't even feel safe going too deep into this because they could also end up potentially back in the river. so there is a lot of moving parts to all of this, yasmin, and of course, for many residents, the cleanup is just about to start. they have to wait for this water to not only, recede but then assess the damage, and then of course wait to see what

their flood insurance will cover. and then if fema will provide any aid. >> it's just the beginning of that journey, for so many folks they are dealing with the aftermath of these major weather events that we are seeing across the country. george, we thank you. all, right we are just getting started, everybody. we are back in 60 seconds with a pretty shocking twist in the fight for abortion. rights republican stepping in to stop extreme acts portion legislation in two separate states. i have much more on that ahead. i have much more on that ahead. that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open. at pnc bank, you can find us in big cities and small towns across the us, where our focus is to always support the people who live and work there. because you call these communities home, and we do too. pnc bank.

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cosigned the bill, but then he grew concerned that women would not have time to even know that they were pregnant. and then over in south carolina, a total abortion plan was blocked after the five female, senators including three republicans, voted against it. when >> i am a centrist, i thought that i was conservative, it turns out i'm very fiscally conservative. but on a lot of the social, issues i think that there is just there for shock and awe, and i think of gonna stand up for women. i don't want any woman to have an abortion, but nor am i going to tell her what she can and cannot do with her life in her body. >> let's talk more about this with me. now republican strategist an msnbc political analyst, and danielle moodie, host of -- democracy-ish podcast. welcome to, both ladies, let's talk about that very topic, that is women. it seems as if this is a two-parter. you've got maybe republicans coming around to the fact that

the majority of repump the country does not want these abortion bans. and it may hurt them politically. and then women, on the republican side, they are stepping up to the plate. >> i mean, i will say, bravo to the republican women in these legislatures that have decided to wake up and be conscious to the fact that the decisions that the republican party is making are hurting people. and i also think that what happened, guess, man earlier this, week that with the testimony that we heard from women in texas who are bringing a case against the governor and talking about their near death experience. having to wait in a parking lot to develop sepsis before you can have a lifesaving surgery? i mean, the trauma that we are putting women through. that we are putting families, through because of republican ideology, it is insane. and so i hope that it isn't just a political move as we move into the 2024 cycle and that it is really starting to sit with the republican party

what they are doing to women and families. >> susan, political or moral? >> both? you're allowed to be both, i think? there is a moral issue in here. i mean, you know, it's funny, you think about new york. history and right before roe v. wade, it was a republican state senator who i actually worked for who passed -- who got abortion cast as legal in new york state. not all republicans have been open, but some have. it's makes sense that these women, when you hear about -- i think her name was senator sin, said our womanhood, our band of five, they mean more, they mean more than five women in their state, legislator because we understand what's at stake. it's our health. it's a simple as that. and politically, it's moronic

what the state legislators are doing. because it will take them down a path of losing super majorities, in some states and flipping legislatures in other states. look no further than michigan. look at wisconsin. we see that this issue brings out people to vote, women and men who recognize that they want their sisters, spouse, mother, to have good health. and people come out vote on. it so they're publicans are insane for trying to go down this line. there's a conversation to be had, for, sure about 12 weeks, 15, 22. but that is all something that we need to work towards because this stuff right now is crazy. >> it's interesting, susan, as we stick with this political part of the conversation, we have got the nebraska center

that blocked the bill. it was actually called out by the republican governor. so i'm wondering if there is also this fear of political retribution for standing up for something that you believe in. >> we >> owe, i believe that there will be political retribution against the gentlemen and the people and women in south carolina. it is -- you know, they're absolutely, as but when you are marley right on the issue. you stand a little stronger. and you gain more support. so they may try to temporarily color people. they color the legislators who voted against an abortion ban interstate, but they will be rewarded in the end >> danielle, tell us about how it's affecting women. south carolina husband is unlikely refuge for a lot of women in the southeast region of this country. we thought it was gonna be floored, up but they put the six-week ban into place.

south carolina has supported this near total abortion ban. they are looking, though towards this six-week ban. if in fact that is instituted. where does that leave women? >> i mean, it leaves women in a really desperate and terrible situation. here's the thing. if we are going to be having conversations about which weeks abortion should be banned, i want doctors to be having that conversation. i do not want politicians who are playing politics with people's lives to be having this conversation, like we have to understand. these are medical decisions, these are health decisions, these are not political decisions to be debated about. and the idea again that women are having to travel hundreds of miles and those that are not privilege, those that aren't able to take off time, that are able to take vacation, they don't have those, days like, what kind of environment or be trying to create?

and i just feel like, again, these are medical decisions. not political decisions that should be up for debate. >> yeah, and they are in lies the very part of this debate which is, should lawmakers actually becoming with these rules that restrict access to mifepristone, and abortions when in fact, we have doctors that know the science. danielle moodie, thank, you thank you as well. still ahead, everybody a tough week for the former president, his former vice president, mike, prince spending hours before the special counsel's grand jury. and the woman accusing the former president of rape and defamation takes the stand, e. jean carroll holding strong against a legal attack from trump's lawyers. it will look back to her next day of testimony. up, next breaking news out of, ukraine 23 people are dead after a russian missile strike. we are live on the ground in kyiv. coming up. kyiv coming up. coming up.

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children reported dead today and russia's latest missile strikes on ukraine. the biggest in nearly two months. those children were amongst 23 civilians killed early friday in an apartment building in to our south of, kyiv alison barber is in the capital city. joining us, now to talk more about this. alison, talk us through where things stand with the search for survivors. from friday's attack. >> yeah, unfortunately in this particular strike, in oman, the search is over. they say that they have done everything they can to try to find any survivors, the people who were unaccounted for and now the search and rescue efforts have officially been suspended. when we arrived in the city yesterday, midday, there was just a frantic effort to

rescuers on the ground minutes after, minutes searching for people. earlier in the day, they said they were able to save 17 people from the rubble, but as the hours progressed, the death toll just kept rising. for this apartment complex alone, 23 people died according, to the emergency services of ukraine. 22 of those were pulled from the rubble, one person was taken to a hospital, and later died as you, said in that number. six of the victims were children, the youngest was not even two years old. we asked almost everyone we saw the scene, is there any sort of reserve unit or military operation or anything related to the military in this? building in this area? the answer that we kept getting was no. this was a very residential community, nine story apartment building. the people we saw coming in and out, it was families. it was grand parents, it was civilians. and we spoke to one person about seeing something like

this, and the reality is, in ukraine, the fact that russia rely so heavily on, missiles it's a constant worry for, people even in cities far from the front lines that perhaps their home could come under fire. listen to what one woman told us. >> anywhere in ukraine. nowhere. norah. safe i moved a lot since the war started. i moved a lot. i've been in -- my husband's parents live. there i've been in, kyiv i've been in odessa, and i move here and nowhere is safe. >> nowhere is safe. that is an answer that we hear a lot from people when we talk to them and these types of situations. there are 23 people killed at that apartment complex alone. this was one strike in a series of strikes. there were at least two people killed in the city of dnipro, a toddler and that poplars mother. yasmin? >> alice barr, before us we, thank you we are following this

breaking news story, everybody out of texas. with yet again the latest mass shooting here in this country. we will hear from the sheriff to answer some questions for the press. let's listen in. >> there are ways that everybody -- here pretty much knows how we do it. and i just don't like hearing it given people like this, the an advantage to us. being able to find them. >> how large is the area that you're? searching >> it is about, i don't know, i guess it's bigger than what i originally thought. because we had dogs in there. and they are sending dogs, it's all kinds of factors that play and with, that when a dog goes to work, i'm not there, so i can't sit here and tell you it's three and a half, miles or anything like, that but it has been a while. and i understand y'all's frustration, y'all are not as frustrated as i am. but we. -- i want this guy to be in one of

my jail cells, preferably. >> how close is that area from this location? >> like a mile to 1.2 miles, through the woods. but what we'll do is go out there, hang, left go down the one of, five could down to the red, light hang a left. that will be there. >> what's the confidence level that you are gonna get him today? >>, i want to be 100 and 58%. but i feel good about it. if it gets into the darkness, we do have a lot of policeman over there that are looking for this gentlemen. we do have a good perimeter set up. we were searching for, we know who he is. it's still evident out there, right now it's just getting to that point. there is a lot of, woods there is mud, things like that. the dogs are getting stuck in the mud. the water, whatever particular scenario is out there. but we are -- we >> there's a report that may

hey fled the county? now he's been reported -- driven information? >> i have no information about him deported at all. >> or lack of -- better how well is he equipped? >> not well equipped. >> you have water, does he have? food >> sir, i don't have no -- i don't believe they have that knowledge as well i can tell you that when he left the residence he was by himself and we don't know if he walked -- my units were still on route. -- immediate matters that they had to take care of. >> is he still cooperating? >> yes ma'am. >> >> we are getting --

>> is still with, him we will talk to someone who has talked to him on that sulfa. >> so who talk to him? >> one of the witnesses. >> how long ago was that? >> often on from since two or three hours after this happened. >> so it's still constant communication? >> no, it's not constant. but it is -- >> he talked >> he talked to them? what do? say >> i'm not getting it into that. >> so we are getting this live feed and hear of a sheriff, greg capers, from cleveland, texas, giving us an update on the shooting suspect. and the latest mass shooting in this country. they are trying to search for the suspect, they have their eyes on him. it seems the area in which they believe the suspect is -- i apologize for the feet we were getting, and obviously some technical difficulties

coming in from cleveland, texas, as the reporters on the scene there -- asking the sheriff some of those questions, it seems like they don't necessarily have a lot of information. they do believe the suspect is barricaded in a certain area, a large area though and larger than the syrup had a spectator to be. they have dogs that are searching for the suspect, along with drones as our own purcell thompson told us. he is optimistic and hopeful, it will be able to apprehend the suspect by the end of the day, they certainly have the resources, as sheriff capers told reporters there, to continue the search into the night. just want to remind you of what we're talking about, which is the latest mashudu. in this country, five people were killed in what seemed to be a neighbor dispute all over a sleeping child. there was suspect outback

shooting an ar-15, was told to quiet down because the shooter -- because a child was sleeping. and chaos ensued, five people are now dead, and eight year old child died at the hospital just a grizzly awful scene in cleveland, texas certainly a scene that the sheriff's department is keeping their eyes focused on. they are apprehending the suspect there, his name is francisco or a pays a. we will get more updates over the next 90 minutes. we want to talk about a significant development this week. after former vice president, mike pence, testified for about seven hours on thursday under oath, before the january six grand jury. it came just hours after u.s. appeals court tonight former president trump's emergency attempts. to block pence from testifying. joining me now is nbc, garrett -- who has more on this. give us more of a sense, gary, of what we're learning about pence's testimony. >> yasmin, with investigations

like, this they start from the bottom up, not the top down. and mike pence is just about as close to the top as you can get in this investigation. of course we know he wasn't a showing up to the courthouse out of his own goodwill to chat with the grand, jury he was subpoenaed this year, he tried fighting it at first but then donald trump tried to prevent him from talking at all. but appeals court ruled late wednesday that trump -- pence did have to comply and testify with the subpoena, and to the grand jury, just about 12 hours after the ruling came, down, which by the, way it was before trump's team could file an appeal to the supreme court. i was right there when pence's two car motorcade, pulled into the, garage of the federal courthouse in washington, pence went up to the third, for where the grand jury, meets and he stayed there all day. he left around 4:30 pm. and now, well, we may never know exactly what he told the grand jury, but we have a pretty good idea of where his head is on this. he viewed his role as to certify the election, and to hear from lawmakers about any evidence they have the

contrary. evidence, of, course yasmin, that did not exist. former president trump hasn't posted anything about pence's testimony other social media get. but he did respond to a question from our john allen thursday night. >> mister president, mister president, what do you think of mike pence testifying today? >> i don't know what he said. i have a lot of confidence in him. >> yasmin, what was poetic justice here, during the seven hours that pence was testifying for the grand jury, another jury was one floor above, deciding the fate is several proud boys, charged with suspicious conspiracy for their actions on january, sixth yasmin? we thank >> you were actually gonna be talking more about this with harry lippman and my next hour. florida, governor ron desantis, has yet to officially enter the 2024 presidential race. but he is already making preparations. florida's republican controlled legislature approves sweeping election law changes including a measure to allow desantis to run for president without resigning as governor.

this is coming as the florida governor arrived in the uk yesterday, wrapping up an international tour that also included south korea, japan, israel as well. stephanie is standing by from florida. a mix this tour, desantis is also continuing this battle with disney, we've been seeing him fighting back against this lawsuit filed by the company. what has his message been so far? >> good afternoon to, you yasmin, as you might imagine, governor desantis is not backing down. in this battle with disney. despite the fact that some in his own party appear to be breaking ranks with him. as, you know back in february, the florida legislature voted to dismantle the reedy creek improvement district. that was a special district that essentially allowed does need to self govern for about 50 years. in place of, it was a desantis appointed five member board. disney was not having any.

of it so earlier this, week they filed a federal first amendment lawsuit against desantis and his five member board. claiming among other things, that desantis's tax on disney were a political retaliation for disney support of a parental rights and education law which opponents called, don't say gay bill. as you mentioned, desantis is on a trip overseas. earlier this week he was asked about this lawsuit with the mouse house and, take a listen to what he said. >> i don't think the suit has. merit i think it's political. i think they filed in tallahassee for, reason because they're trying to generate some district court decision. but we are very confident on the law. the days of putting one company on a pedestal with no accountability are over in the state of florida. >> we now, we are also starting to see small pockets of descent from florida residents. this, morning in st. petersburg,

a small group of anti desantis protesters were out, they were holding, signs they were pushing back at what they call a government overreach by ron desantis. we also heard from florida senator, marco rubio, last weekend, and i'm paraphrasing, this is what he said during an interview. he basically said that this lawsuit may send the wrong message to businesses who may be considering coming to florida because they could potentially be retaliated against themselves, should they disagree with the governor or any of those in the florida legislature. so that is where this battle, stands it is still ongoing at this point, and, again governor run desantis appearing to be doubling down at this point. yasmin? >> stephanie, we thank you. so every, week republicans across this country, they are pushing laws that are seeking to limit the rights of lgbtq plus americans. and this week has been no. different republicans in kansas, north dakota, they are signing bills that prevent transgender people from using the bathroom that matches their gender

identity. and then, just yesterday, in montana, four for -- the republican -- medical care for trans. youth in addition to a provision that would allow kids to misgender their pillars in school. this is all happening as republicans officially censored the states only trans lawmaker, so we suffer, and they even announced that the committees on which he serves, judiciary human services, we're going to no longer be meeting for the remainder of the session. leaving is that we to work from a bench in the hallway outside the house chamber, but even that did not satisfy the republican speaker. as captured by the ap. listen to this. >> my hope was to sit here and work in the common space. >> this is a public space. >> kind of work in the public space? >> no. you have to -- >> okay i'll just like to clarify because my understanding some allowed here. >> it seems republican speaker

did eventually backed down, allowing suffer to remain there. but in the face of all of, this zoe got a pretty warm welcome yesterday as protesters marched in support of, her and she joins us now, representative, is that we, zephyr of montana. so, it thanks for joining us, you and i just spoke seven days ago. i believe it was a much different situation. you had not yet been censored. you had made that impassioned speech, on the floor. in front of your colleagues, and now here we. our one week later, in which you are not even able to really enter and work inside the chamber. instead you are at a desk outside, and you've been censored. what has this been like for you? >> well, you know, i show up every day ready to represent the constituents who sent me there. i, prep i'm ready to speak on, bills i'm ready to lend my voice to the debates. but now that i'm democratically barred from the house, chamber

i have to work really hard, to make sure i catch legislators as they come, in and make sure i can try to get my notes to them so that despite the circumstances, my constituents have some small semblance of representation in that chamber. >> what is it feel like to not be welcomed by these people? >> you, know it's indicative of the way in which the far right has taken root in our state legislature. it feels like there is that continual opposition. they will use whatever procedures they have to push an extreme agenda, no matter how undemocratic, no matter how cruel. and so i don't concern myself with that cruelty, i tried to keep my head up and to show up to work every day ready to work for the people who elected me. >> where you get your courage from? we >> community. i ran for office, i was place

that i took trump -- it was a place that i walked through every weekend on my way to farmers markets. i know that community inside and out. i share their values. they share me, so knowing i have their backing, it makes it really easy to stand up into the justin morrow thing. >> i mention montana governors,, montana governor signed to anti-trans bills and his son, actually lobbied his own father not to do that. his son, identifies as non binary, and identifies with he and they pronouns. i want to read a portion of the governor's sons letter to his own father. hey, dad thanks for setting aside time to meet. with me it means a lot to me. there are a lot of important issues passing to the legislature. right now for my own, sake i have chosen to focus primarily on transgender rights. as, that would significantly

directly affect a number of my friends. i would like to make the argument these bills are immoral, unjust, and frankly a violation of human rights. how does that make you feel? hearing that letter, knowing that the government -- he got this letter from his own son. and yet he still went forward with anti-trans bills. >> you, know we talk about the way that trends care and trans accepted by every major medical association, but trans rights are human rights, and one of the points we hit up is the trans people live lives full of joy when we get to transition and come into ourselves fully. and our communities know, that our communities love us. and one of the points i kept trying to make, is you are never far from someone who is trans, or someone who love someone who's trans. and for the governor to have someone that close, in his family say that this is my community. and to go forward and still

sign those bills is unconscionable. >> and then there is carey sickens crow, a republican state representative who suggested during a florida debate, and correct me if i'm wrong, that her child, who she indicated was in fact transgender, and had suicidal ideations that she would rather allow her child to die by suicide than allowed for transition. what do you make of that? >> i think it shows the lack of understanding, and a lack of willingness to learn and understand what it means to be trans. how important this care is. how lifesaving it is to our communities. if there were any other medical condition, you would listen. you would understand and say, oh i get what they're going through, i empathize with what they're going through. and to say something like that

so blatantly cruel, it just shows the depths they are willing to go to deny people their basic human dignity. >> what does being trans mean to you? >> being trans knees like -- it's like coming home and myself. i am now fully and residents of my own body. i'm able to move forward with the life that would not have been possible prior to transition, a life full of joy, a life where i can for the first time the myself. and you, know have that pursuit of happiness that our country is founded. on i get that now. and that's what i hope that people understand, when they look at the question of gender affirming care for trans people, for trans youth. >> and you are living that life and you are changing the world all at the same time. state representative, is always,

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press and refused to attend a dinner. want to get right to and bases, with much more on this. what should our expectations be like for tonight? >> yasmin, this is also going to be the first time since 2016 that both the president and vice president have attended this dinner together, and as you, know this is really the one night a year the white house correspondents dinner, when celebrities, politicians, analysts, thousands of them are all able to gather under one roof and put their politics aside and remember something really bigger than, them and in this offense, case it's the freedom of the, press, and according to white house officials. that is going to be the main focus of president biden's remarks. he is planning to highlight just how much the freedom of press is highlight and under attack right, now this event of course comes one month after evan gershkovich, the world street journal correspondent

based in moscow was arrested under espionage charges in russia. the united states, of, course detained that he was wrongfully detained. continuing those efforts to get gershkovich freed and we also expect his family to attend the event tonight along with the family of austin tice, who is an american freelance journalist, who hasn't been heard from since he disappeared in syria in 2012. we also expect brittney griner, wnba star, and her wife, to also attend. of course griner spent almost a year detained in russia before the prisoner swap between the u.s. and russia. we expect her and her wife to attend tonight. of, course all of this, the weight of this event, the weight of this topic will be balanced, as you, heard from the comedian expected tonight. roy wood jr.. it will be balance from some jokes with, him as well as president biden because we know from years past, presidents are known for cracking some pretty self deprecating jokes.

so definitely a lot to look forward to. tonight >> absolutely, ali, we thank. you by the way, you can watch our coverage of tonight's white house correspondents dinner starting at 8 pm eastern on msnbc, streaming on peacock as well. >> but, first up next, attacking her credibility, the highlights from the cross-examination of e. jean carroll over her rape games against the former president. and what to expect from week two of the trial. we are also continuing to follow the breaking news out of, texas we got an update from the sheriff a few minutes ago on the search for a suspect in a shooting that left five people dead including an eight-year-old child. a live report on that coming up. up. we - representative! - sorry, i didn't get that.

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tacopina, who had one exchange questioned why carroll didn't scream for help during the alleged assault? carol answered, i'm not a screamer, i was in a panic, he raped, me whether i screamed or not. joining me now is former u.s. attorney and deputy eternally -- harry lippman. , harry it's good to talk to you about the stuff. why do you think they had tacopina questioned e. jean carroll on the stand and not another one of the attorneys possibly a woman? >> it's a really good. point because they do have, in trump's arsenal, now a pretty well regarded washington woman lawyer. she's the one who actually defended the trump organization. conventional wisdom would've been to go. whether it's not, clear that the main thing for tacopina, as a thing to keep in, mind she has an asymmetry here. his client almost certainly is not going to testify. so the cross of carol is basically his one opportunity to make all the points he's gonna need to argue to the jury.

and that said, it seems as if, you know, he has to, go for probing, but i think he heard a couple times in a couple, weighs first, he's doing too much. he says he's gonna go all day, monday as well,. and the exchange just, had his theory is not, this was a consensual, event his there is that she made it all up. and so some of this is overkill, and then second, it's a surgical art. he is using sometimes a hatchet where he needs a scalpel. he's being a little too rough on her, you, know and it is an art, cross-examination. and i think he is scoring some points. but making a few mistakes, and as i say, this is the whole game for him. when it comes time to building his closing argument. as we have to assume trump will not be there. >> what are the main things that have stood out for you? in the testimony ultimately of e. jean carroll that we have seen so far? and what are your expectations

as we follow this thing? and trump's approach, his attorneys approach, i should say. >> let me start with the second, because it's pretty big. after she finishes, she is now gonna have a chance to bolster her case with two women friends who will testify. she told him about it back then even if she until the police way back, then one of whom advised, or you can't go forward with. this he will destroy you. and two women who were assaulted in similar ways, they won on a plane, and one in mar-a-lago, than the infamous access hollywood tape, which sounded before just gross but now seems extremely productive. he did just for the post. about your famous and you can just grab by the genitals. so that is big stuff, all of that is gonna be challenges for tacopina that, again, he just has to answer on their cross as he won't have witnesses to come forward and deny it. the only person is trump. in terms of the points that have stood, out it is what you, said the times when he's really

strayed from the surgical -- but then also a few points about the beginning of the encounter in her not having come forward for so long that i think the jury will pay attention to. >> i want to put up a part of a piece that joyce vance wrote because she talks about the weakness here and she goes on to say, it is not her story, it is our society's failure to protect victims of sexual assault from secondary victimization, which results in sucking the low rates of reporting and prosecution for sex crimes. the jury may well believe carroll and understand her reaction of a product of how victims are forced to move on without justice in a society that punishes them for being attacked. what do you make of this? >> look, i think it's a great point by joyce. this trial is always between to people but it is a social test as well. 20 years ago, i think the conventional wisdom would have been, especially a crippled,

trial really really important to bear in mind. it's a civil, trial and it's preponderance of -- man, this is a tough case. so the question will, be whether the jury of six men and three women can understand and appreciate how is that you could start out an encounter in a playful bantering way, and in no way excuses a brutal rape that occurs after. and also, understand why a woman would keep quiet for many years. so it's a sense of where we are as a society, i think, that will be one of the take away points of the trial verdict. harry, you are sticking around for me. i appreciate that. we're going to talk more about the pence grand jury testimony coming up in my next hour. we've got a lot more coming up, everybody. you are watching msnbc, our second hour starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hey, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. if you are just joining us, welcom