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right now, i'm in washington d.c., about to attend the annual white house correspondents dinner. tonight, much of washington will come together. but an epic political battle lies ahead. president joe biden officially launched his reelection campaign this week. asking americans for more time to finish the job he was elected to do in 2020. black voters were pivotal in sending biden to the white house. tonight, i'll ask georgia congresswoman, nikema williams, whether enthusiasm for the biden harris ticket remains high. in the meantime, donald trump is building his case to be the republican nominee, again. the former president is racking up endorsements, as his poll numbers rise. that's despite the escalating state, federal and local

investigations into trump's conduct before and in the white house. his former vice president, mike pence, testified before federal grand jury, two days ago. about trump's conduct leading up to january 6th. also tonight, celebrating harry belafonte. they activist, singer and actor whose career spanned seven decades. he died earlier this week, tonight, his longtime adviser, power publicist can sunshine, tells us about belafonte's brilliant life, and commitment to justice. to the variant. plus, the woman whose actions led to emmett till's murder, died just days ago. nearly 70 years after that murder kick started the modern civil rights movement. new york not times columnist, charles blow, joins me to discuss that complicated legacy. first, joining me now, congresswoman nikema williams.

democrat of georgia. appreciate you joining us tonight, congresswoman. let me go to this, president biden officially launched his 2024 reelection campaign earlier this week, on a number of polls, including one from nbc news this week, shows biden facing deep challenges with voters this time around. that includes black voters. who will get to shortly. a recent nbc news polling from just before this week's announcement has nearly seven out of ten americans on enthused about the president running again. how does the biden campaign clear that hurdle a little over a year from the election day? >> well, thank you for having me, reverend al, we have this conversation, abusing at the dinner tonight. this is a very timely conversation, we have to go ahead and start reminding the

american voters what exactly president biden has accomplished over these last three years. when you look at the historic investments that we've been able to make, not just in our economy, think about capping the cost of insulin drugs for seniors. think we have to continue to tell our story. there are right now so many people out there who don't know exactly what we've accomplished. so, that's our job. we're gonna talk about the safer communities act. the first major gun safety legislation that was passed in this country in decades. how we've made historic investments to combat climate change. more investments ever than in the history of this country. and the chips act, how were reigniting the manufacturing jobs in our country, and that touches every region of our country. creating tens of thousands of good-paying, union jobs. i think there's a lot that we've accomplished over the past three years, with house democrats, and president biden in the white house.

we have to tell our story, and the campaign just kicked off, that's we're gonna continue to do. i know, on the ground in georgia, we've seen historic investments, we understand that this is about us. it's about the voters on the ground. people kind of this out in 2020, we showed up and showed out, we understood what was at stake. i don't think it's gonna be any different, moving into 2024. we know the benefits to georgia. we also understand what the other side is doing. they're ready to let our entire economy tank in this country, and put children and seniors on the chopping block, because they don't want to have a real solution to raising the debt ceiling. so, we have a lot to talk about, i'm ready to have the conversation. >> you know, congresswoman, i get all the time people raising questions, black unemployment is 5%. the lowest it's ever been in history. the message doesn't seem to be

getting out. for the first time since 2008, and nbc news national poll found that less than half of americans, only 47%, believe that america is a nation where people are judged by the character, rather than their skin color. as reverend dr. martin luther king junior famously called for, and as i have a dream speech. 79% of black americans do not agree that has come to pass in this country, for many reasons. with an election year looming, how do democrats, specifically the president, navigate this deep kind of disaffection among black voters, that the party will need again to turn out to be successful? >> i mean, we have to do the work. we have to continue to talk to voters. and black voters are not just a given to vote for the democratic party, and i say that as the chairwoman of the

democratic party in georgia. we're going to continue to tell that story, that is that, over the past two years, if you think about what president biden and vice president harris's administrations have done, advancing racial equity, like, think about, and think about all of the bill signings that i've been able to attend. where everything has an equity lens, creating economic opportunities, and good paying jobs. literally impact of the black community. and investments in the bipartisan infrastructure law, the largest investment on hbcus ever in this country. has come in this administration. so, we have to make sure that we're telling the story, in a real way, and that we do a good job of packaging big policy proposals and ideas, and passing the legislation, but, now it's time we make sure that people really understand how it impacts their everyday life, and what exactly was in all of this transformational registration that the biden ministration has been able to sign into law over the past few years.

>> before we lose, you congresswoman, opposition from republican legislatures played a big role in why bills to ban abortion ban failed into deep red states this week. in nebraska, an effort to ban abortion after six weeks failed just one republican vote short of breaking a filibuster. and in south carolina, a near total abortion ban was defeated by just one vote. after all five of the states women senator, including three republicans, teamed up to filibuster it, the third time this year, such a ban has failed to pass in south carolina. with abortion expected to heavily impact the 2024 election, what do you make of the disagreement among republicans on how to proceed on this issue? post roe. >> i mean, reverend al, there's a reason i've had republican members of congress trying to

change a conversation. they don't talk about abortion and the impacts. because they understand that this is an issue that transcends party lines. one and four women in their lifetime will seek abortion care, and we don't know the reason. this is someone in their family, someone that they love, some of that they know. so, they are in this posture where they're continuing to try to play to their base, play to their primary electorate, but if they really want to win elections, they understand, the democrats, we have the winning message on this. we really care about the people who need access to care, in this country. and we're gonna continue to do everything we can to make sure that people can get the care they need, we saw that in the recent supreme court decision to make sure that mifepristone was still available for women across the country, seeking abortion care. and we understand that, as we move into the 2024 election, this is an issue that motivates people on both sides of the

aisle. it's a winning issue, and it's why i understand that the republican leadership, and the house of representatives, is only temporarily, reverend al, we're gonna make sure this is taking this to the voters, and remind them who's fighting for them. that's the democrats in washington right now. and then biden heritage administration, writer on capitol hill. >> we're out of time, i want to take time for one more question, as you're looking at the red carpet on a somewhat lighter note, i'm gonna jump into a tuxedo after the show is over before heading over to tonight's white house correspondents association dinner. here in washington. of course, president biden will be the center of attention. whoever the president is. less than a week after launching his reelection bid, what do you expect to hear from biden in this lighter setting tonight? >> so, it's an opportunity to connect with the voters, to

connect with reporters that are in the war room. and show just a softer side, i, mean everybody likes a good laugh, i'm looking forward to hearing roy would junior tonight, i grew up in alabama, a former alabama native, and looking forward to just being in the room, and releasing some of the tension that we've seen over the past few years here in washington. hopefully, some good left. maybe at the presidents expense. i think he's gonna be laughing along with us, and ready to get back on the trail in a very serious way after the dinner is over. >> all right, thank you, congresswoman, nikema williams, for being with us. >> see. >> joining me now, political analyst and new york times opinion columnist, charles blow. charles, thank you for being with me tonight. we are awaiting a verdict in the trial of five members of the far-right extremist group, the proud boys. for their role in the violent

attack on the u.s. capitol in january 6th. the defendants include former head of the organization, whose lawyer blamed the capitol attack on donald trump's incitement in closing arguments this week. as we head into an election season, where the former president is once again on the ballot, what message would can evictions in this case send? >> well, this is the most serious case to come out of the january 6th insurrection so far, this is seditious conspiracy. and if there is a conviction, that adds to the case that this was a very serious attack on the government, the federal government, and on the united states itself. that was egged on by trump. and the u.s. attorney has made clear to the judge, they also include and intend to bring 1000 more cases. that would be twice as many as

i've already been brought. this will stretch on for years, well into the election cycle. >> now, next story, i was disappointed to put it lightly, to learn minnesota police officer, kim potter, had been released this week. after serving just 16 months of a two year sentence. for the fatal shooting of daunte wright. whose eulogy i delivered at his funeral two years ago, while we were waiting around the george floyd verdict. now, also this week, in a separate case, one of the officers who participated in the louisville police raid that killed breonna taylor three years ago, miles cosgrove, was hired by a sheriff's department in a neighboring kentucky county. after being fired from the louisville pd, carol county chief deputy noted, cosgrove was cleared of state and

federal charges in taylor's death. charles, one of the reasons why many of us were fighting for federal laws, but we are nearly three years removed from the george floyd protest of 2020. what do these stories tell us about holding police accountable in cases when black lives are lost? >> first of all, kim potter was convicted, which is also very rare, as you know. we don't always get charges, we we don't get charges, it's rare that we get convictions. alicia was charged and convicted. even in that case, the conviction -- the sentence was very late, it was only two years. she get early release, she's gonna be court monitored for the rest of that term of two years. but as you just mentioned, the officer in the breonna taylor case is hired by another jurisdiction, that is the hole here. that's what federal legislation could do something. in some cases, people just don't know.

the next person go shopping for a new job, does not inform them of what happened in the old job. so, the federal legislation in that case, would've had a national registry that would at least allow that. that's not what's gonna happen in this case. they knew, they just said, well, we don't care. there's not enough that happened in the wake of that. regardless of what he did, there was no charges filed. no charges filed, because the way the laws are written right now protects officers. it all points to the weakness of our criminal justice system when it comes to holding police accountable for their actions. that's why we need national legislation we do get an executive order but we knew less illustration next i want to hear on the naacp suing the state of mississippi. after its governor side. expanding the states control over the predominantly black city capitals, the capital city, of mississippi, jackson. the state plan creates a

temporary court system within the city, but outside of the city's control. staffed with appointed judges and prosecutors, who will preside over jackson's capitol police unit, which is not subject to the police reforms instituted by jackson -- the lawsuit contends that jackson citizens are being stripped of their constitutional rights, because they are predominantly black. do you agree with that assessment, charles, and how do you view this whole situation? >> well what we've seen is recently a number of states stepping on the toes of black cities, taking over power over those black cities. you know we saw in houston where the state took over the educational system in houston. it's another city that is majority black and brown. so we're seeing we used to have to see white flight for people to get out from under the

control of black government when cities become majority black. with this mississippi legislature is basically saying is that we don't need white plight. we have white seizure. we're going to be able to seize this portion of the city where white people live. they don't have to move. we just gotta take them out of the control of the black government of the city of jackson. that is a new frontier in the segregation of the country. and also in white supremacy and how it can operate on a state level to impact municipalities. >> wow. from white flight, were now a white seizures. sounds like a charles blow column. oh, because i'm talking to charles blow. finally charles, this week we learned of the death of caroline bryant dunning, the former mississippi woman whose allegations that 14 year old emmett till harassed her, led to the black teens torture and murder in august of 1955.

her husband and brother in law admitting to tills murder after being acquitted by an all white jury. bryant herself was never held accountable, but as i said at the top of the show, the horror that resulted from her actions, and the fact that emmett's mother opened that casket and showed how he was brutalized. it galvanized black america. and with it, the civil rights movement at that time. that ultimately changed america for the better. you have thoughts on the legacy of that emmett till murder? >> well as i have written, that we should shed no tears for caroline bryan dunham. not only does she say in the beginning that the boy, the emmett till, had harassed her by being sassy with her. when she testified at trial, which they let her do in special circumstances, by the way, unlike anybody else. she at the trial said that no, he actually grabbed her hand so hard it was too hard for her to

pull away. then he actually grabbed her around her waist. she elevated the charge from verbal harassing, to a physical assault. you have to remember what the emmett till trial was really about. it wasn't a case that centered on the question of whether or not these men were guilty. it was a case centered on whether or not emmett till deserved it. so when they escalated this idea that he had actually been aggressive to her, and physically assaulted her, it was easier for a prejudice all white jury to then say, even if they did it, they don't deserve to be punished for it. he had already done something horrible to this woman. and, this is not a case where you can say, look, we don't speak ill of the dead. i don't think telling the truth about someone who died is actually speaking ill of them. in this case, -- spoke ill of the dead. she spoke ill of that young man. even if she believed this, --

if she was testifying and events were husband, the husband later admitted to torturing and killing this boy. and she stayed with him. there is no sympathy here for me for her at all. >> charles blow, thank you as always for being with us. coming up, there's a battle brewing on capitol hill. my political panel breaks down how the debt ceiling is shaping up to be the first showdown of the 2024 election cycle. plus, in just a few hours, politicians and the price will be mingling at the white house correspondents dinner. i'll tell you why the event is a d.c. tradition worth holding on to. but first, my colleague jessica layton with today's top news stories. jessica? >> hi reverend allen, thank you. some big stories we're watching at this hour. police in texas are searching

for the man they say believed, they believe shot and killed five people. including an eight-year-old. it happened after neighbors asked him to stop firing rounds in his yard, late last night. in cleveland texas. that's just north of houston. investigators say 38-year-old francisco or appease used in ar-style rifle in that attack, and he may have fled the county. and in ukraine, at least 23 people are dead after a wave of russian missile strikes on friday. ukrainian officials say their air defense shut down 11 russian cruise missiles in kyiv airspace, and what authorities said was the first missile attack on the capitol in more than 50 days. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy called for an installation of global sanctions across to moscow following those attacks. more telegenic nation with reverend al sharpton coming up after the break. after the break.

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speaker. but is the victory more than just symbolic? >> it's probably mostly symbolic. it think it's a real victory for the statement that says his colleagues have his back. this was a risky play by kevin mccarthy. as you know, the bill they passed is not going anywhere. but he felt like he needed to put something up, that's something through the house with only republicans to try to jump-start negotiations with the president. i can tell you, having worked for speaker vein or and speaker ryan, that is a very difficult thing to do. the 218 republicans to vote for any increase in the debt limit, no matter what you had to add to it. with such a narrow majority, i was very impressed he was able to pull this off. i think it shows that his numbers have confidence in him. they want him to go into with strong hands and negotiation. do i think is handed actually strong to negotiate, no. i think he has a lot of trouble still ahead. whatever deal he's able to cut with president biden is going to be pretty small. kevin mccarthy's going to have significant trouble getting

that across the floor. but for now, he's bought him self a little political capital to use later on. >> michael, when the two parties clashed over the debt ceiling during the obama administration, polling suggests americans tended to praised blame on republicans more than the president. but with the 2024 race looming, president biden faces a dilemma. even if voters don't like republican brinkmanship, the white house needs to avoid any shocks to the economy that could derail an election bid. how should the president approach this debt ceiling fight? >> you know, look. congress has done this 78 times since 1960. they raise the debt ceiling 49 times under a republican president, 29 under a democratic president. a clean bill, which is all this president has asked for. which is the money america has already spent largely under president trump, should be paid for. i think his perspective here,

in terms of fighting for clean bill in partnership with mr. schumer, is the smart strategy. i think ultimately this week was a win for mr. mccarthy. but it was a loss for america. because we had maybe a month or so left before we hit the debt ceiling. there's no progress. but i think ultimately american public will see that the president is being responsible by saying, let's just have a clean debt limit raised. then we can move on later and have a conversation about the rest of your wish list. >> switching gears, former vice president mike pence testified thursday for seven hours before federal grand jury. that grand jury investigating january 6th, and former president donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. that same day, trump was seen at a new hampshire diner, hugging and signing autographs for a woman who served jail

time for participating in january 6th. michael, at the same time as trump's bid for the gop presidential nomination is gaining ground, he's also quite literally embracing insurrectionists. how big of a problem is that for the republican project? >> you know, it's interesting. donald trump has been indicted from a grand jury, he's under several other investigations. he committed obstruction of justice and a number of other things. however, his polling among republican primary voters has never been higher it in recent history. it's risen about seven points over the past two months, to about 62% in a recent emerson poll. that to me says a lot about where his party is. the real question is, where will the party go when you nominate a person who cannot get through the general election? that is donald trump. he continues to lead, it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out next year in the election. but it doesn't look good for

the republican party. >> now staying with the 2024 election, it looks like florida governor, ron desantis, is ready to jump into the race. he's launching an exploratory committee next month. this week, took a foreign policy world tour with stops in japan, south korea, israel, and the uk. when reporters on the trip had questions about his campaign, he didn't look so presidential. here's a clip. >> i'm not a candidate. so we'll see if and when that changes. >> brandon, republicans are grumbling behind the scenes about the florida governor's culture wars, and disney wednesday filed a lawsuit accusing him of targeting them politically. has the desantis campaign gone off the rails? >> well, i guess it hasn't actually started yet. but it's definitely having a bad start. look, there's a lot of people

who have invested a lot of hope in ronda santas as the electable, more electable fighter than donald trump. who can sweep in there and dethrone donald trump. then everything that he has done as a candidate so far has been disappointing. look, i think we're realizing that he may not be quite the political mastermind that a lot of people want to name him. in terms of the ability to answer tough foreign policy questions, his ability to play the inside game, inside politics of getting endorsements. just his ability to connect with people, he has been struggling. he's not dead yet though, as we said, he hasn't really started his campaign. but i think what he's realizing is running for president, you are faced with much higher level of scrutiny than being the governor of florida. he's gonna have to get its act together pretty quick. his poll numbers are dropping pretty fast. >> all right, michael hardaway and brandon buck, thank you

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ifuture he spent a lot of time in the hip-hop world. he loved the art form. he tried to inspire leaders in that world, both the business side and the creative side. to follow in his footsteps. >> yeah, this morning harlem spike lee who was there, and was close to harry and his father, played for harry. he was talking about how they could learn from harry's example. as harry would always talk about his mentor, it was paul roberson. he would talk about that almost every time he talked with him. he was also a ground breaker. the first black person to win an emmy. and the first solo singer of any race to have an album sell over 1 million copies in a year. he often pushed back on some of the acting roles he was offered, saying they were racially stereotyped. then eventually launching his own production company and going on to produce many films.

talk about harry's role as a trail blazer for black creators. the >> harry was a music superstar. with the first gold record, as i said, was leading the entertainer on a road. selling a lot of records. he started making movies and many of the roles that he was offered were demeaning to him. remember we're talking about post racially stereotypical, those were the only roles that blacks could get in hollywood. harry wouldn't settle. he did some magnificent movies. but he refused to do films that he felt would not, we're not of the standard that he wanted to do. he knew that he was a pioneer. and that it was about time america embraced a black cross actor. i and a romano. but, again, he didn't complain

about that hollywood wasn't fair to him. in fact, the speech he made, he got a special oscar, not that many years ago. his speech. if you want to see a great speech, he talked about hollywood. he didn't throw any punches about the history of blacks in hollywood. but he was determined, to use his platform, to use the gift that he had, the ability to communicate to millions of people. -- the politicians, politicians have a hard time communicating. most individuals turn them off. a good reason, in many cases. entertainers, especially the ones gifted as he, they have a great platform. he used today level that nobody has. phil that's why his legacy and his memory will be there for a long time. i really appreciate your coming on, you've spent decades putting people in front of camera, it takes a lot to get

you in front of a camera. but you did it tonight, maybe one day, i'll get someone else to do it. at least, mr. sunshine, can sunshine. up next, my final thought, stay with us. with us.

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