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it was hot, around 90 degrees. and 100,000 people turned out to see him. he himself said from the stage, from the podium at the front of the crowd, that the crowd was about 80,000. but the police actually said it was bigger. police said it was 100,000 people. , again this was in 1936. so if you want to address to that forward for sure, it was $1. about if you want to adjust that to account for how big the population of the country was at the time compared to now, hundred thousand people than convey to the overall size of the country, that will translate today to a crowd of like 250 260,000 people. which is a really big crowd. particularly since the person they were all there to see was just some guy with a radio show. have you ever heard of a politician nude william lembke? he was a congressman, a

candidate for president. third party candidate in the 1936 presidential election. and that, that huge rally on labor day weekend, and chicago in 1936, was a rally in support of william lembke's presidential candidacy. but lumpy's can't hate campaign did. nothing lumpy himself held his own rally just today before the hundred thousand person rally and he got less than 10,000 people to show up. when it came to election day november of 1936, lembke got less than 2% of the vote. william lembke is somebody who is not only been forgotten by history but he was forgotten while he was still happening. he was just nothing. did not move the needle at all. the only reason 100,000 people turned out for a lembke related rally on a hot september day for something related to zelenskyy's campaign, the only

reason that gigantic number of people turned out is because the radio guy was there. they were all there to see the radio guy, because the radio guy was the big deal. he was huge. he could turn at 100,000 americans at a rally, a portion of the u.s. population that could translate to about a quarter million people today. i didn't person event. he was one of the best known people in the country. he was on hundreds of radio stations at the time when registrations wrong we had and in terms of his weekly listener ship the best estimates are that he around 1936 had tens of millions of americans listening. this was a time when the country had a population of less than 130 million people. .

but he had 30 million people listening every week? that is the conservative estimate of his reach. something like a quarter of the entire population of the united states was listening to him on the radio every week. until they weren't. his name was father charles call glynn, and while he was being the biggest and most dominant media figure this country has ever known, it was also serving as a catholic priest and while he just became a bigger and bigger and bigger deal on the radio, he got more and more political and more and more radically right-wing in his political broadcast. sometimes his views allied with the views in the interest of the catholic church. sometimes they didn't. thanks to his massive reach on the radio, his huge success on that medium, more dominance than anyone ever before or since and because he was such a big deal in the media, both

dogwood and the church were well aware that with the exception of the pope himself he was the most influential catholic on our. so even though he was really really controversial getting worse all the time, the church gave him a wide berth. until they didn't. when he started explicitly telling his followers are truly rode out fascism, that was awkward for his bosses at the church. when he organized his followers into an armed militia with the united states, what needed at that militia got put on trial for making and stockpiling bombs, and attempting a violent overthrow of the u.s. government. and for father cog land bosses. when he called the president of the united states, quote, anti-god, and a communist, and said it was a secret jew, that was very awkward for his bosses and when you blame the jews for all the ills of the world, when

you reported after kristalnacht a nazi germany, that maybe they were going after the jews. germany said the understand, the jews parted on themselves. one of those things happen, he said all that happened, it was all very awkward for coughlin bosses. and yes, individual radio stations here and there and then some radio networks started pulling his show off the air, the response to, that his supporters picketed, and said he was being persecuted. but ultimately, what finally changed, but truly pulled him off the air entirely was that his bishop died. he was a catholic priest, and he had this bishop who came up with excuses for everything he said, his bishop died, coughlin had a new bishop came in, who thought coughlin was too much of a headache for the catholic church, so the pulled the plug on him, took him off the radio. gone, proof. and nobody in american media would ever be that dominant

again. i mean, it will be a full 50 years before anybody even pretended to that thrown. but then the next closest sort of long shadow of that guy's influence was this guy, who in the late 1980s started and a.m. radio career, they changed a emirate of. it turned what had been a mix of sports broadcast, religious services and community service, community access, sometimes even foreign language broadcasting, it turned all of that into a part of the american media which was just dominated by hard line, right wing talk radio. he went to dozens and then hundreds of stations nationwide very quickly. he got himself literally a golden microphone, like, you know there is a certain kind of world leader who likes to show off he has a gun made of gold? this guy had a gold microphone that he made sure wasn't all of these photos, he was proud of

it. he was hugely successful. he changed the whole purpose of a part of american media. he spawned 1000, if not thousands of radio imitators that you're angry great angles probably still listen to today, provided he still has terrestrial radio. at his height, he seemed like his potential it was a limitless, like his influence would keep growing and growing. until it did not. there was also a bit of the sad william lembke for president campaign about him as well. he was a notable failure to cross over. yes, he did wonders for a am radio. he transformed a emerado. but they tried putting it on television in the 1990s. they tried to put his radio show into a living room set, which looked like a reject set from the 700 club. that did not work at all, was a huge humiliation. also, amazingly at espn, they

tried putting him on tv as a sports commentator at one point. i think he lasted not one month before that failed, and that fell apart as well. after him, there was this guy who also built a fast growing audience on right wing a.m. talk radio. then he was brought on to television. he did well. he was brought on to the fox news channel. and he got huge ratings at the fox news channel with his first signature, elaborate conspiracy theories he would draw out on a chalkboard, and kind of a pseudo-religious messianic thing that i think people often forget about him now. at one point, you might remember, he held a pseudo-religious revival rally. like, a rally for himself on the national mall. he said at one point that rally was to unveil his 100-year plan to save the country. all very weird. but at the fox news channel, he

was their fastest-growing star. they must have been very happy with him at fox news. until they were not. he was fired. now, he has a website. at the time slot he used to be on, which again, he set ratings records at this time slot. after he left, they filled that timeslot with an ensemble show. it turns out, it also does great at the ratings without him. and they don't have anybody whose name you would know off the top of your head at all. then, it was this guy. this guy was the biggest host that fox ever had. and their marquee time prime spot. he was most dominant voice in right-wing television, ever. until he was not. he as well it was fired in 2017, in this case. now he does youtube videos from his home, i think. now, there is this guy, their latest, biggest thing.

and today, he is out as well. he has been fired. and if you can see these guys as a series, if you can see them as a sequence, rather than stand-alone individuals, which i think is a helpful way to see. that at least, helpful to look at them this way because it makes them easier to cut through the noise, to cut through the personality, the individual, personal circumstances around each of the rises and falls. i think it is easier to look at them as a series, as a sequence. it is easier to get to what matters about them. not for themselves, their individual companies, families, friends. i think it is easier when you look at them as a group to get to what matters about them for the country. because what you get, if you squint at this series of guys who are dominant for their time, well, what you realize overtime is that as time has gone

forward, if you look at this in a 98 year spread of time, you can see overtime, whoever the dominant figure is in right-wing radio, right-wing media, the right-wing media industry, whatever it is, whoever is dominant for their time gets smaller, smaller and smaller overtime. i, mean don't get me wrong, there's a constancy. you get unnerving similar messaging from these guys over the decades, over the generations. they all say some version of trust no one except of course, me. because i will give it to you straight, no one else will. they also tend to say that i know what god wants. obviously, what god wants is what i want. therefore, i can tell you who is evil, who must be eliminated. there's a constancy in terms of how they perform. they are seeing a version of the same song. you are right to see commonalities among them in style, in terms of the kind of appeal they have. the kind of thing they are selling, the way they try to get americans to hate each other, resent each other. particularly the way they try to get americans to get

minority groups. i also think it can be overstated, right? even though there is always one of them who is dominant. the magnitude of their dominance decreases overtime. and you can see that when you look at who has been the dominant figure, decade after decade, generation after generation. as big as many of these modern guys are, there is never, ever going to be anybody as dominant as father charles coughlin was in the 1930s. and as big as the broadcasters were, you know, in the 80s and 90s, it will never compete with coughlin. and the broadcasters who were huge in the 80s and 90s, they were more dominant in their time than any of the flavor of the month broadcasters are dominant now. so we have a dominant figure, almost always, somebody is dominating. but the magnitude of their dominance, their overall importance to the right-wing media ecosystem, it just

shrinks as right-wing media overtime diversifies, becomes a lot of different things. something that exists on a lot of different platforms. so there will never be somebody as big as the biggest guys in the past were. secondly, what you see over and over again, and i really don't know why this has not sunk in, to become a thing we kind of make fun of these guys for, but when you really look at it, it becomes quite clear that dominance inside conservative media does not tend to cross over into any other kind of major influence. yes, you can fill chicago on a labor day weekend in 1936 with her sweaty, fervent, screaming supporters. but you can't get your candidate, william lembke to 2% just a few weeks later. you don't get your pet candidate lembke elected to anything. you don't get to call football games on tv for the nfl.

you do not get to lead 100-year-long messianic religious revivals. you don't persuade americans to start tanning their testicles en masse. success in conservative media is a thing. there is always someone. it does not tend to translate to success anywhere other than the conservative media, and that is fine. conservative media itself is a very big business. it is very slick, it is very successful as an entity. i'm sorry to say, in a way that partisan liberal media never has been. not for want of trying, trust me, i know. but what is important i think for the country here, is understanding what conservative media does. not overstating dominant conservative media figures somehow as standing astride american culture, making things happen. the only exist in terms of the influence within conservative media. but conservative media and the

conservative movement are very effective. they are rich, successful, thriving enterprises. and for at least the past generation, that is really where the political success has been on the american right. it is in conservative media, in the conservative movement. that is where they are strongest. and conservative media and the conservative movement tend to drag the actual republican party around like a rag doll missing a limb or to. i mean, comparatively, the republican party is very weak and disorganized, has no idea how to talk to people. the republican party has lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections. look at the headlines and the other news from the right right now. news not about the conservative media, news about the republican party. keep in mind we are a democracy, and your success as a political party depends on people liking your ideas and voting for them. look at what they are running

on right now, while they are doing in governance. think about the popularity of these things with the average american. look at the headlines right now. republicans, voting to rollback child labor laws. lobbyists have found remarkable success among republicans to relax regulations which prevent american children from working long hours in dangerous conditions. okay, so they are crusading against child labor laws. republicans in missouri vote to shut all public libraries. americans, sure hate libraries. republican-controlled states go after millions of american families who right now have health insurance. because republicans want to take away that health insurance from millions of american families and leave them with nothing. that will be popular! republicans right now fighting in dozens of states to load people up with student loans they otherwise would not have to deal with. everybody is going to love that! republicans, blocking rape

victims from receiving emergency contraception. because who among us doesn't see a mainstream american voting issue in forcing women who have been raped, forcing women who have been raped to bear the child of the rapist against their will? that is a winning issue for the voters, i am sure. republicans, all over the country, not only banning abortion, which is radically unpopular in this country, but now in multiple states, they are changing the rules about how laws can be made in those states, so the people living in those states will no longer be able to vote for abortion rights even if that is what they want. look at it in terms of their high dollar candidates. the guy pulling second for the republican nomination for president right now is hoping to coast to the white house on the popularity of him just signing a total ban on abortion, and also instituting book bans, and attacking disney. what, no puppies to kick?

the guy pulling first for the republican nomination for president was just indicted on 34 felonies, and tomorrow is the day that the civil suit against him starts, relating to the rape claims. and i mean, that is just like, today. a snapshot of how things are going with the republican party and their effort to win over the american people to the popularity of their ideas. and it has been like that for a while. and in contrast, the conservative media business, and the conservative movement, they have their act together when you compare them to the republican party. for example, they are very successful, both at what they try to do and in pure business terms. they are slick, they are powerful, at least they have been. and they really are responsible for the success of the political bright in this country, in a way you can't credit to the work of the republican party itself. because when the republican

party, when they're politicians are left to do their things, even when they do, so now, here is the question. the conservative media, right now today is in one of its periodic crises. today, they have loved of another one of their episodically dominant figures, who for whatever reasons, has not worked out. he really is one in a string of them, there will be someone after him. and the important question, aside from the gossip, business news and all that stuff, the important question for our country is about the success of that business, the success of that industry, whether the remarkably successful industry as a whole is today, at any risk of losing its garage, its power. importantly, its capacity to drive the republican party around in its wake, no matter how hapless that party's and it

remains. that is the question. joining us now is jay rosen, a professor of journalism at new york university, and a longtime observer of this part of the media world. mr. rosen, i appreciate you taking time to be here, thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> first, let me ask you to tear me apart [laughter] and tell me this anything i'm fundamentally wrong about, missing, or getting the wrong way around about that take on the strength of the conservative media and its stars. >> nothing wrong. but there is something missing. let me introduce you to a verification in reverse, which i think is a factor in this history you are recounting for us. verification is taking something that might be true and trying to nail it down with facts, evidence, expertise. the verification introverts is when you take something that's already been nailed down, and you introduce doubt about it.

that releases a lot of energy. it causes commotion. it leads to controversy. it leads to culture war. and with this energy, you can power your political movement. maga, because mega works this way, republican party looks less and less like a normal, good traditional political party. because mega works this way, the conservative movement needs its own media system. and i think that this is a sort of hidden factor in history, but you are re-counting for us. because it leads to absurdities like the debt limit battle, the crazy source of policies which are being suggested, as you listed for us. also, this is where fox news fits in. because fox is not really a news network, because it doesn't believe in verification. so i would add that as a factor,

not a cause, but a factor in the analysis that you gave to us, which is otherwise right on the mark. >> if, as you say, reverse verification releases a lot of energy, you tell people this thing you thought was settled, this thing that you was true, we will tell you it is not true, not settled, you will blow that up. you say it releases a lot of energy? is that process being interrupted by things like the sort of accountability moments like the dominion lawsuits, some of the other things which seem to be driving some internal crises in the biggest parts of the conservative media world? >> that is why that case was so important, the dominion case. overall, the conservative media world is built around the success of verification in reverse. that's how trump became a leading political figure with

the missing birth certificate case. that is what stopped the steele was all about. it is about taking something that has been established as true, denying it and the power of that denial moves your movement closer. and now that movement has taken over the republican party, which is why the democratic party and republican party no longer resemble each other. that's why we have such an asymmetry in our politics, which screws around with a lot of other values, norms and practices which no longer make sense, because the two parties operate in such a different way. i will add one other thing, rachel. underneath the history that you gave us, there was the rise of the american consensus, as historians call, it the postwar consensus. where the two parties roughly worked in the same way, and they had different values, they wanted to take the country in different directions, but kind of agreed on basic facts.

that world is completely gone now. and conservatives, so-called, have existed in their own information sphere. not only is it separate from the mainstream media, but it needs to constantly attack the mainstream media, and it's picture of the real in order to create that power, momentum that i talked about. >> i feel like what you are describing is a system kind of zooming towards entropy. i am not sure, the only part i feel like i can't discern from the way that you are describing it is where it ends. i mean, does that just continue to mushroom out? is there some limiting factor which causes a crash? i am asking in really practical terms whether conservative media continues to be as rich as it is, and as effective as it is. even with these dynamics you are describing, sort of accelerating right through today's news, right through this very extreme period on the

way. >> i will give you my best professional answer. i do not know. [laughter] >> a humble, honest man. >> what you are saying is that it seems like this could not go on and on, but it does. and it has given us trump once, and it might again. i don't think anybody knows where it is going. it is headed for a crash, or as you say, it will just continue. >> jay rosen, professor of journalism at new york university. jay, i appreciate you making time to be here, thanks ravenous make sense of this. >> thank you, rachel. >> got much more ahead. tonight, we will be joined tonight by former chief of staff, former white house chief of staff to president by, ron klain will be here with us. more ahead, stay with us. ith us oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ] and we wanted to thank america's number-one motorcycle insurer

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democratic values but. what the republican legislator did was shocking, was undemocratic and, without any precedent. they turned it around very quickly. nothing is guaranteed with democracy. every generation has to fight for it, long term, this and that. >> nothing is guaranteed about democracy. every generation has to fight for it. you all are doing that. that's president biden at the white house meeting with the so-called tennessee three. three democratic state legislators from tennessee who were threatened with expulsion by the republicans who control the state legislator after they participated in an anti gun violence protest at the state house. two of those lawmakers, the two young, black male lawmakers, justin jones and justin pierson, they were expelled from the legislator only to be reinstated days later by their communities. today, all three lawmakers cotton audience with the president of the united states, when she called the actions against them as you just heard,

shocking and undemocratic. those sentiments ring from obama, throughout his first turn. he made the issues of protecting democracy and stopping gun violence quite central to his presidency. so in some ways it makes sense that today he met with those three lawmakers on the eve of what many expect tomorrow to be his announcement that he will run for a second term. tomorrow will mark the four year anniversary of the day president biden officially launched his last run for the white house, his successful run that put him where he is today. as soon as tomorrow morning, he's expected to release, expecting another video announcement declaring his intention to run for reelection. joining us now, i am pleased to say, is ron klain. his former white house chief of staff to president biden. he joins us now for his first primetime interview since he left the white house. ron, you look rested, tanned,

ready. i know that has a weird echo, but you look well, i hope you are. >> i am doing well rachel, thank you for having me. >> let me ask about your decision to sit down as white house chief of staff when you did, and what you have been working on since i saw the announcement that you are back your law firm, for example. >> you know it was a grueling two years, eight rewarding two years, a productive two years as chief of staff. proud of what we did, the team we had at the white house. proud of how you execute, so many important laws passed, it takes important executive actions. and also, to rally behind the ukrainians, their fight for freedom. but it was a hard grind. after two years i needed to step back and take some time to deal with my health, rest up a bit, spend time with family. i've been doing that for the past couple of months, now i am back at work. >> i know you will not get ahead of the news, i know you

are disciplined man. i also know when you stepped down as chief of staff, you told the president, i look forward to being at your side when you run for president in 2024. again, i know you will not get ahead of the news, i think we are all expecting president biden will run again, and potentially announce as soon as tomorrow. are you going to have a formal role in this campaign? >> rachel, the president said he will run again, whether or not that an announcement comes tomorrow, i think it will come soon. i will not have a formal role, i did have one in the 2020 campaign. i was an informal adviser. i offered my advice, my help when i could. i will do the same thing this time around. and i will leave the actual campaign worked to people who are experts at campaign work. >> in terms of what you were able to accomplish as chief of staff, there were a lot of major legislative accomplishments of the kind that you could expect then, you

can expect them to get a lot of attention in a national campaign. gun reform, the bipartisan infrastructure bill. a landmark legislation on climate change, landmark legislation on drug prices. a number of different accomplishments like that. the support for ukraine you described a moment ago. do you have a sense of having been there for the creation of those chief moments in the first term, do you have a sense of how i capitalize in the reelect? >> rachel, i agree with you. i think the president's accomplishments were a big part of his message in his reelection campaign. that he will not just run to get a pat on the back, but because he has work left to do. we made tremendous progress in the economy, but there's more to be done. we need to further tame inflation, further accelerate economic growth. take some of the laws the president passed and implement the infrastructure law, build those bridges, roads, new airports around the country, passed the chips bill to create high tech manufacturing jobs all over america, which will

unfold in the next couple of years. and the inflation reduction act, as it begins to bring down drug prices starting next year, more significantly, the first with insulin, but other things start next year. same thing with a lot of the tax credits for new, sustainable energy developments. so we have already seen billions and billions of dollars to create manufacturing jobs in america thanks to laws that the president passed. we will make things in america again for the first time in a generation. we see tremendous progress already with employment, biden created more jobs for two years in any more years than in american history. we've got the unemployment rate down to 3%, black unemployment its lowest it's been in history and 5%. made progress, is more work to be done on things like guns, voting rights, climate change and the economy. i think that will create a powerful agenda for a second biden term. >> ron, in terms of the overall atmosphere in the country, the health of our democracy, in terms of the health of what it

will be like to run in 2024, i have to ask given today's news, as someone worked in a high-level at the white house, i have to ask if you have any reaction to the news today, from fox news, both the settlement with dominion last week but also the firing of their top ranked, top rated anger today. do you have any response, expectations for how that might change things? >> rachel, i don't. i agree with a sentiment expressed in the first part of the program tonight, they will find someone to replace tucker carlson, who have the same messages tucker carlson had, as orally for him, as kennedy, russia limbaugh had, the same stuff, different mouthpiece. definitely, that's further adding to the division of this country. president biden was able to overcome that in the 2020 election. the 2022 midterms were the best midterm results for any new president since fdr. i am confident president biden can overcome that again in 2024, and when again as he did in

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it tonight. -- carlson's former producer alleging rampant sexism on the show, as he recently was fired. others suggested that emails from carlson deriving fox management, which had emerged in the dominion lawsuit and perhaps other redacted ones for the last straw. and while both reasons may be true, they are not new revelations. what does seem to have changed is the rate at which rupert murdoch is making aggressive moves on the fly. so to run down a few of them, and last october, murdoch announced the news to merge fox news and fox corporation, and a january, he took that back. and then in november, he asked to the editor, chief of the wall street journal. then in march, he announced that the new york post calmness that he was getting married, then in april, he announced the engagement was called off, then later in april after fighting

to go to trial with dominion voting systems, he abruptly reversed course and greenlit a massive 800 million dollar settlement with dominion, and now today, he has abruptly pushed out tucker carlson, the highest rated host on fox news. joining us now is ben smith, he's editor in chief and former media columnist for the new york times. he's been with us for the long time and his latest book is traffic, genius rivalry and delusion in the billion dollar race to go viral. it comes out next week. ben, is nice to see you, thanks for being here. >> nice to see, rachel. thank you for having me on. it is a head spinning day. >> it has been a head spinning day, and norah to cope with it and to get my show produced and on the air, i put seated to stop staying attention to all new developments as soon as the sun got to a certain type this guy today. so first, let me just ask you if there's any new reporting, any new important understanding about what actually has happened today. >> you know, the answer is basically no, to that. people around fox are putting

out that in -- i'm sure people have seen those dominion files, and those pages and pages with black marks lined out, then underneath those redactions is something that really bothered fox management. maybe something really mean tucker might have said about the bosses, something grotesquely sexist, i mean, the problem is is that tucker was famous for trashing and dismissing his bosses for years. and you could watch the show to see some sexism, you could've lived through 1 million other scandals to see what his emails even looked like. fox have those emails that they turned over to dominion for many, many months. so it is actually a little unclear. >> let me ask you about beyond whatever personally happened with this one fox employee and whatever drama there is around him in this show, i feel the more important question for me, especially when i take a bigger view of this, like an all the other people who, in my time in the business, have come and gone in the conservative media. is there any way to tell

whether this is an important moment for assessing the strength of the fox news corporation? and indeed, the strength of the conservative media industry as a whole? is this kind of just the latest guy to be fired, and there will be somebody new? where does this tell us something about that what is going on in the business? >> i actually disagree about what ryan claims, as you said before. there is this incredible lineage starting with -- but they are not all the same. there are different flavors. and if tucker was donald trump, they are going to replace him with ron desantis. i mean, tucker really had a kind of paranoid style that was focused lately on conspiracies involving the fbi, in particular, he was inflaming racial tensions in a very specific way. i think a lot of fox hosts are kind of regular republican partisans, and that has often been the tradition. glenn back who was the other who went off the rails in tucker's direction, and i think the question is of who they replace him with, is really

interesting in that regard. with just basically be a good republican soldier who entertains the base? or will be somebody who is trying to lead them in a new direction, which is what tucker was trying to do. >> ben smith, editor and chief at semafor, are still unfolding story. the unfolding story here, thank you for helping us cover, it is good to see. you >> good to see you, thank you. >> we will be right back, stay with us. with us. s totally off-limits. but with only 4 grams of net carbs in every delicious serving, you've got the green light. better starts with breyers. you need to deliver new apps fast using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow. >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. we'll replace your windshield, and recalibrate your advanced safety system. so automatic emergency braking and lane departure warning work properly. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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