>> today on velshi, a plug landscape is unfolding in front of us. with joe biden officially launching his reelection campaign against a gathering republican field that is still dominated by the ex president who is subject of multiple ongoing criminal investigations. currently, he's a defender in a civil case playing out in new york city this week.

if we are gearing up for 2020 rematch, it will be a very different scene this time around. plus, the u.s. conducts its first mass evacuation of american citizens trapped in sudan amid deadly fighting. we will get the very latest. and, it was no accident that the lawsuit seeking to ban abortion pills across the united states arrived in front of one particular ultraconservative trump appointed federal judge in texas. the antiabortion plaintiffs in that case did what is known as judge shopping. another conservative coalition is doing it again with the same judge. i will have the details on that case and i will talk to democratic senator mazy about her plan to put a stop to it. then new evidence of the deadly reality on the ground in post roe america. in one state where women live under strict abortion bans most hospitals could not explain their own emergency abortion procedures. velshi starts right now.

>> a very good morning to you, is sunday, april the 30th. i am ali velshi, exactly four years after announcing his campaign for president, joe biden made his bid for reelection official this past tuesday. setting up the possibility of a rematch against his 2020 opponent, donald trump, but a lot has changed since the two men were last up for election and at this early stage of the 2024 election cycle, they find themselves in vastly different circumstances. for one thing, joe biden has got the upper hand this time as he is the incumbent. he is using his position to help frame his message, which his campaign boiled down to one simple phrase. quote, let's finish the job. biden's reelection announcement video opens with images of the january 6th insurrection at the capitol, and abortion rights protest at the supreme court, two key issues for democrats that continue to plague the republican party. especially when it comes to elections. both issues were also directly or indirectly linked to trump, who were mason doing best to

geishas by special prosecutor, jack smith for his role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election and who transformed the supreme court into a conservative institution, paving the way for roe v. wade to be overturned last semester. a law biden has jumped into the raise about a focused message defending americas personal freedoms and rights, trump has been fixated in recent weeks with stopping the momentum of florida governor ron desantis, who has been the former president's main rival for the gop nomination so far. desantis has not yet announced a presidential bid, but according to four gop operatives with whom nbc news has spoken, he is set to announce an exploratory committee as soon as mid may. a recent nbc news poll showed that trump still has a solid lead over desantis who is the only other official or prospective candidate polling in the double digits right now. trump's campaign continued its attacks on the governor this week with its first tv ad focusing on how desantis owes his political career to trump. it is in stark contrast to the

democrats who appear to be falling in line to support biden's reelection, even bernie sanders, a top independent progressive in congress, who was also biden's main challenger during the 2020 primaries came out with an early endorsement of the president, telling the associated press, quote, i am in it to do what i can to make sure that the president is reelected, and quote. biden is also trying to emphasize the strength of the democratic coalition, and especially his partnership with vice president, kamala harris. the vice president was featured heavily into biden's reelection campaign video, it has been taking the lead on the administration support for reproductive rights as part of a concerted effort to elevate her profile. meanwhile, trump's embattled relationship with his own former vice president may be a huge liability for him, as mike pence considers entering the presidential race himself. and on top of that, pence spent thursday, several hours at least of it, testifying to the federal grand jury investigating trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

aside from pence's testimony to the federal grand jury, the writer and columnist, e. jean carroll also testified in court this week about her allegation that the former president raped her in a dressing room back in the 1990s. trump has denied the allegations, and we are going to have more on that later in the show, but that really underscores the vastly different circumstances of biden's campaign compared to that of his republican counterpart. there is a lot at stake for americans, and for democracy at large with this upcoming presidential election. one state at the fore front of all of it is north carolina, where abortion rights, voting rights, and no less in the future of democracy itself hangs in the balance. joining me now is the democratic governor of north carolina, roy cooper, governor, good to see you. it is one of those rare occasions where you when i get to talk and it is not a hurricane or some disaster. so i appreciate your time this morning. governor, let's talk about this, because, in fact, there is a case before the supreme court, more veep harper that is

directly related to north carolina and legislatures and they are right and the fact that, in many southern legislators, there is a move towards supremacy of the legislature, and no accountability due to any court. so you really are, when i said to north carolina is at the front line of some of these issues, you really are. >> we are, ali. we also are the full back of presidential politics. republicans have to win in north carolina in order to beat the president. democrats don't, but we often have the very closest presidential race, we know how important it is to make sure that the republicans keep having to pour the resources and time into north carolina and a presidential race. but you also have these republican legislatures across the board that are seizing power and that are taking advantage of the overturning of roe v. wade in order to restrict women's reproductive freedoms. and to restrict voting rights.

our republican legislature in north carolina actually went to united states to pray for and -- and the legislature theory, saying that they should have complete control on how federal elections are run in north carolina, and that even up a state supreme court ruling otherwise would not attempt that they are the ones who control. we see ultra extreme gerrymandering from this court. our supreme court a couple years ago ruled that their extreme course of gerrymandering was unconstitutional. and guess what? when the districts were fair in north carolina, we now have seven democrats and seven republicans in washington, representing north carolina and congress. but now our state supreme court has ruled that the legislature can draw an extreme partisan

gerrymandering way, and i would expect you would see potentially a ten for, maybe even an attempt to draw 11 to 3, even in a state that is 50/50. that is why it is so important that we also pay attention, not only for the national races, but to governors races and state legislative races across the country. because we have a lot of things just like that, and democratic governors who are fighting battles for freedom, for women's freedom, for the freedom to vote, making sure that we are standing in a great view. >> one thing i want you to help us understand, yesterday i had a conversation with a republican state senator from south carolina, one of five women in the state senate who banded together to, for the third time in a year, overcome abortion restrictions or absolute abortion restrictions in that state. you look at the tennessee house, where they get through the to justin's out, that is a state where there is a republican

super majority, and, yet some of those republicans actually run unopposed. they don't have a democratic opponent, because there is no chance they are going to lose their districts. let's go back to north carolina for a second. you won your last election by more than 250,000 votes over your republican opponent. and as you said, the delegation is seven republicans and seven democrats. why is it that in these states, you are an example of how gerrymandering has affected the fact that there are states that have democratic governors, but republican majorities in their state legislatures even though they are the same voters. >> we need to have independent re-commissions to draw lines. you can see, particularly now with technology, they can be technologically diabolical in the way that they draw these districts down to the household. and we've seen it in north carolina, where republicans have said that they are

actually attempting to draw these districts so that more, and more republicans could be elected. but i think it is important to note that, across the country, there is hope. democratic i legislators said -- i was there friday night, i and the democratic party convention. their hosts were sky-high, because they had great democratic legislators who were able to find republican legislator to help prevent this extreme abortion ban they were trying to put through the legislature. and, ali, you and i both know that the people in this country do not support extreme abortion bans. by large margins, and i think enough republicans are recognizing and ability. not only is going to kill women, not only is going to hurt women's health care, which is the most important thing. it is also going to hurt

republicans in 2024. we saw this issue, in our governor crisis across the country. we had a historic winds at a time when, normally, when the first presidents midterm comes, it is difficult for that party. this time, we finish plus two republican governors, we now represent 57% of the population the democratic governors do. and we are standing for freedom, fighting for democracy, protecting women's reproductive health. these issues help drive people to the polls in 2022. i think [inaudible] >> this might drive people to your state also? this is what i've heard from governor whitmer in michigan, governor healing in massachusetts, that that old song that republican states used to used to lure businesses and people from democratic states is now reversed, it is the, come to our states and we will protect your freedoms.

>> it is unfortunate that we have to be that way at this time, and we may have a mistake. many of the republicans have said that this should be a side of that state. we've only had a look at this ridiculous ban on mifepristone to understand that they are still working to ban abortion nationally. his drumming of our abortion is if republicans got control the national apparatus, you would see that national abortion ban. she will see that full of happening. we still to fight for these battles at the state level, but we have to go into 2024, and joe biden can do it, there is no question that he has done more in two years than most presidents can hope to do, in eight. in my first four years as governor, was with donald trump, and it was interesting to me every other week. that never happened, when joe biden was elected, we know that

we are a different state in this country, and we have to win. >> as a business and economics reporter, stephanie when i wrote was very excited about the monday of those infrastructure weeks that something was going to get done in america. and i think by monday afternoon, it was over, because donald trump had gone in some different direction. by the way, i don't mean to break any news this morning. governor inslee is still, in fact, the governor of washington state. he has not moved over to oregon. governor, good to see, you as always. thank you for joining us this morning. i think there is a lot more that you and i need to talk about, so i'm going to, right, now invite you, backs we can continue this conversation, thank you for being with us. >> i will be back, ali. thank you so much. >> roy cooper, governor of north carolina, got that one right. coming, up on a power packed edition of velshi, i will talk to senator may zero know of hawaii about the dangers of judge shopping. how it undermines democracy, and what needs to be done to end that practice. plus, russia, once again, ramping up deadly aerial attacks on civilians across the country, including in kyiv. once again, i will talk to

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millions of sudanese civilians remain caught between two rogue generals and their ambitions for power. indiscriminate shelling and gun battles have rocked khartoum, registering more than 500 people dead and thousands injured. general uphill fought al-burhan, the commander of summit dance military is locked in a bloody power struggle with the general mohammed hamdan dagalo, who is better known as hemeti, the head of the paramilitary group that is known as the rapid support forces, rsf for short. a tenuous cease-fire which was extended for another 72 hours on friday has failed to curb the heavy fighting. and these two generals trace their origin to another sudanese conflict, the darfur genocide. some of you may recall the same darn for campaign for 20 years ago, when rebels in darfur, which is a poor, remote region in western sudan rose up against the authoritarian rule of president, omar, al-bashir. beshear was spawned with brute

force, dispatching security forces that ruthlessly crushed that rebellion. hundreds of thousands of people died, women were systematically raped, millions were displaced. the international community went on to declare the actions of the sudan military and genocide. both generals were key figures during the dark for that genocide, working together to crush the uprising on behalf of the authoritarian central government. in the years since, both men rose to the military ranks and enhanced their power and influence. fast forward 2019, won a popular democratic uprising drove beshear from power. following his ouster, from egypt, to russia, to saudi arabia, to the united arab emirates, back to both of the army and the militia. in order to protect their interest in the country and to stop that democracy from flourishing in their backyard. and in 2021, bon appetit teamed

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one, no one in russia says that. no one anywhere says that. into, those words were not spoken by vladimir lenin, instead it has been quoted it to joseph stalin, although it is debate about joseph stalin, or whether not is fake news. as for another brutal russian leader, vladimir putin, and his war in ukraine, we continue to await anticipated ukrainian counter offensive. the battle for bakhmut in eastern ukraine continues, and russia has pumped up civilian attacks far from the front. the yesterday, a fire erupted in sevastopol, crimea, not a name you have heard a lot recently. this was hit by two ukrainian drones, according to local russian appointed official in charge. kyiv has not commented, in keeping with long-standing policy. russia invaded and illegally annexed crimea in 2014, you will remember. sebastopol, which is of the capital, is the home of russia's black sea fleet, which

is notably without its flagship, the moskva, because ukraine shunk that last year. the incident of the bombing of sebastopol happened a day after the barrage of aerial attacks from russia, killing at least 25 people and wounding scores more. in uman, a city about 200 miles north of the frontline, which is not been a focus of much fighting, a missile attack on a nine-story residential apartment complex killed at least 23 people, including five children. this was the second deadliest attack on civilians this year. another missile hit dnipro killing a young woman and her two children. ukrainian air defenses shot down 11 cruise missiles and two iranian made shot hit drones over the capital of kyiv, according to officials. before the debris causing injury and damages on the ground, but luckily no fatalities. this was the first missile attack on the capitol in more than 50 days. in total, the commander of ukraine's military forces say that russian strategic bombers fly near the caspian sea fired

23 cruise missiles, 21 of which were shot down by ukrainian forces. in a statement, russia's defense minister said, in, part the coal of the attack has been reached. all of this comes amid continued call for ukrainian leaders for more weapons, for more better air defense systems, and of course, for fighter jets. joining me now is a retired united states army lieutenant, colonel alexander vindman. he is the former director of european affairs for the u.s. national security council a board member of the renewed democracy initiative and a new york times bestselling offer of the important book, right matters, an important story. thank you for being with, us colonel. >> thanks for having me. >> we are all talking about this counteroffensive the spring counteroffensive from the ukrainian -- they don't make announcements about when these things start or when they are underway, we will sort of just no. it but i was struck by the fact that ukrainian forces that hit

sevastopol. zwitterion presence in ukraine, or at least ukrainians believe it, to still be ukraine. so festival is the capital of crimea. it is the russian naval base. it is a part of the main reason that russia ever wanted crimea. does that mark to the beginning of something, or is this just another attack in a long war? >> i think it is a condition setting attack. what is most notable about this is of course an impact on russia's war fighting capabilities and the ability to fuel ships that have been sorting into the black sea to conduct these crucial attacks on ukraine and ukraine peaceful cities. so it has an impact and it is going to have an impact in terms of setting the conditions of crossing record-ability to defend itself as the ukrainians position for counterattack. but the striking thing is that ukraine attacks military infrastructure, russia attacks the peaceful city, the city of human, is actually notable for a bunch of different reasons a bunch of it is that it is a

pilgrimage site for the hasidic jewish sect. so it is striking that this is a holy city, a holy site, that the russians are attacking to terrorize the population while the ukrainians in accordance with kind of basic western principles, go after military targets and defend themselves. but i can't escape this one point that you made about trump and his name dropping of lenin, which is pretty hilarious, to misattributed quote probably famously attributed to one of the worst terrorist of the 20th century, stolen, and calling out the notion that the state should put its fingers on the scales of elections in order to steal elections. stea>> that is what he was sayi. it is shocking, that overlap between russian dictatorship in authoritarianism and where the leader of the republican party was saying. >> but i do think it is important though, because while the war in ukraine is not the highest priority for american voters, particularly it may not be in the election next year,

it may still be going on. and it is important to remember, because this is a full circle to how the world came to know lieutenant alexander tin, it was donald trump's potential interference in america's support of ukraine against russia that caused you to cause you to become a whistleblower. it is important people to understand, now there is a real war on the ground, and it is very unclear to some, and probably fear to others, what happens to ukraine if donald trump becomes the next president of the united states. >> well, it would be disastrous. but you cannot dissociate the rise of donald trump and donald trump's corruption precipitating the first impeachment, that connection, as a precursor, a seat for, this war. donald trump and the republican party captured by authoritarian tendencies was a precursor for this war. thankfully, we have the valley ukrainians that, in spite of being subject to that, are about to launch frankly what is clear to me as one of the pretty darn successful

counteroffensive territories, and forcing the russian authoritarian leader, putin, to be at the negotiating table. so i think this war could start to see a winding down phase, according to the end of this year. we go into next year, and domestic elections, i do fear that the republican party will start to weaken support for ukraine. >> yesterday, i had a remarkable conversation with afghan at cara melissa, the wife of vladimir kara-murza. you will remember, i was talking to him just a little over a year ago, and he had gone back to russia. he was then arrested, as was expected, i think most people would've expected him to be arrested. he has been sentenced to 25 years in prison, which he, his wife tweeted, wasn't airy plus in performance for democracy if you get 25 years for vladimir putin for talking about the war, that is doing the right thing. that, said tell me what you think the role the russian opposition can play here. because they tend to jail their opposition leaders. >> that's true, the russians

have been very effective, the russian state has been very effective at fracturing and suppressing the opposition, and the leaders of vladimir curse of had the pleasure of meeting with him and speaking to him on several occasions, they are out there. they are suppressed, but frankly, until there is a swell of support from the public at large, some sort of lifting of the blinders to the cost of this war, the atrocities that russia's a part of, frankly, these leaders and i get them out of the -- i think the fact is that the u.s. needs to continue to resource ukraine to win on the battlefield, the u.s. can play a supporting role in terms of sanctioning, russia is rattling down very hard on sanctions to really kind of cut off the financial support, we are nowhere near, that with the sections that are connected. but there is a lot of work to do in order to end this war and help drive russia into a different dimension. >> carl, good to see you again.

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martin was wearing when he was walking and shot in a florida neighborhood. but a new exhibit at the smithsonian national museum of african american history and culture immerses visitors in a conversation that reimagines the past and present of the often difficult black experience in america. nbc's is in clay as someone takes us on inside afrofuturism, a history of black futures. >> museums are known for showcasing the past. >> what i love is seeing all of the different costumes. >> but for the next year, the national museum of african american history and culture in washington d.c. is taking audiences to the future, with a new afrofuturism exhibit. >> what is afrofuturism? >> i think it is a way of

african americans thinking about the past, and it's wrist history, and using that to talk about to talk about the future. >> museum director kevin yang says that the exhibit was launched to reimagine, we interpret the black experience. it includes african american classics, original costumes from productions like, the wiz, black stars like janelle monáe. and black buster films. but the exhibit isn't limited to fiction and folklore. >> we also of trayvon martin's flight suit. >> an aviation suit once worn by trayvon martin, the 70-year-old unarmed black boy fatally shot by george zimmerman in 2012. zimmerman was charged but acquitted, following a high-profile 2013 criminal trial. martin's death, largely viewed as the impetus for the black lives matter movement, sparking protests around the country, and the world.

i sat down with martin's parents right before the exhibit opened. >> so often, with black life, and i, think travon's life, there is an emphasis on death. and yet, in this exhibit, we see some of trayvon's aspirations in life. how do you want people to think about him when they see the suit? >> when they see the suit, i want young, little boys, teenagers, even grown men to realize that you can have that. it doesn't have to be just a dream. you can actually obtain that. >> martin, widely portrayed for wearing this hoodie, remembered by his parents, wearing this, a symbol of his hope to work in aviation. >> they will cnet travon more than the kid that got killed with a bag of skills in an ice tea. >> i'm glad to see that even though trayvon's in heaven, resting, his name lives on. and his accomplishments live

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around the mississippi river, are in the midst of a cinema moving disaster. as more cities brace for the river to continue to crest sometime today into tomorrow. melting snow from minnesota and wisconsin are causing river levels to rise, resulting in severe flooding. the national weather service says that yesterday, and mississippi was cresting more than 23 inches in dubuque, iowa. that is more than five adjourning cities in the mississippi river in iowa and illinois. the river is expected to crest 21.6 feet today. nearby, people were getting around in boats to maneuver the high waters. nbc news correspondent, george soliz is live in that, dwarf iowa, right now. george, what can you tell us about the flooding the people are already seeing, and what they are preparing for? >> good morning, ali. right now, this is really adding insult to injury. there is a little bit of rain falling, and granted, it is not going to have much more of an impact than what some of that snow melt, which is contributed to this flooding here. behind, me the mighty

mississippi, and it has taken over this neighborhood, you can actually see a number of boats this, is how many people are coming in and out of the neighborhoods. it is, really also, in theory it into the residence of this particular community. they have no gas. about 140 customers at last check these utility was shut off by the company, and that is really hard for a lot of these residents who want to stay behind and maybe take a hot shower, particularly on a cold day, and start the process of trying to do some cleanup around their homes, which, of course, won't really start until some of this water recedes. and on that note, according to some of the reports we've seen, fortunately, it looks like some of this water will start to recede about a week or so after the rivercrest's, which as you mentioned, it is probably looked in somewhere around monday in 21 feet. so, really, just talking to residents out here. you really run the gamut of emotions. people who are very distraught, of course, their homes, their possessions, are now destroyed. others who, say look, this is our way of life here.

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over the street, and now people just wait for the water to recede so they can start the cleanup. >> you're standing in the mississippi river, the river takes over, this is now part of the river, until that river recedes. and that is the part that is hard to get your head around. this is not a normal flood, this is the mighty mississippi in the streets of beta, north iowa. george, thanks so much, george, police in bed and, or iowa, for us. the e. jean carroll civil battery case resumes in less than 24 hours, what we should expect in the coming days, next, on velshi. on velshi. on velshi. . get started today with verizon business. it's your business. it's your verizon. one... back... one... the school play was really coming together. ♪ until... disaster struck. ♪ tensions... were high.

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defamation trial of the former president of the united states resumes tomorrow in new york city. it was a tense first week in the courtroom as e. jean carroll faced pointed questions from trump's lawyer. on wednesday, carol took the witness stand early in the trial, by the way, and told jurors, quote, i am here because trump raped me. the writer and columnist says that trump assaulted her in a new york the department store some 25 years ago, she is now suing him for battery and defamation after he claimed she made the story up. cairo is one of more than 20 women who have accused the former president of sexual misconduct, since the 19 80s, trump has denied all allegations, including carols. on thursday, carol was cross-examined by trump lawyer, joe tacopina, and tacopina was reprimanded by the judge

multiple times for being argumentative and repetitive. tacopina pressed carol on the alleged attack, and asked skeptically, quote, you were supposedly raped? >> carol responded, quote, i was raped. tacopina also took issue with the fact that carole did not scream during the alleged attack in the dressing room of the department store, she responded, i am telling you, he raped me whether i screamed or not. and quote. during direct examination earlier that day, carol also described the flood of hatred she has received online, echoing trump's insults about her, including his own posts on truth social, mentioning a dna on carols dress that she tested she was wearing at the time. and the alleged attack, and also saying that carols allegations are, quote, made-up scams. she said, quote, this morning, for instance, i thought i would just take a peek at my twitter. she said she found an onslaught of violent messages, including ones calling her slot, ugly, and old. nevertheless, she added, i couldn't be more proud to be here. the judges told tacopina to

warn his quiet, the former president of the united states, that any further statements about the case could open trump up to, quote, a new source of potential liability. msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben was in the courtroom this week, she joins me now. lisa, of course, you have been sending detailed notes and analysis about what has been going on in the trial. many of our viewers may have heard a lot about this week. but i want to go right to one thing. about e. jean carroll and the time in which see existed, at the time in which she claims attack took place, she was a prominent writer. people knew who she was. but she is 79 years old today, even at that point, it was uncommon unlikely that women would report sexual assaults and find some satisfaction or justice in it. it is still uncommon in london likely today in 2023. but in the 90s, when she alleged this happened, one can understand, or at least i can understand, i don't know if anyone else can. but we can understand why she wouldn't have screamed to call

the police to have done those things. she even said she blames herself. >> absolutely. the amount of self-blaine that e. jean carroll carries is palpable. and ali, to your point, it is not just the time, but generally racially. women were raised to be docile, to not make a scene, as she said on the stand. to be succeeded professionally, they had to be flirtatious uncomfortable with a certain sort of banter that is easily evoked in her recounting of what happened between her and trump in those early moments at a burned offs. and understanding the era in which she existed and came upon in this professionally. it is inseparable from understanding her experience. >> as tacopina says, were you, did you think he was attractive? were you flirting with him? was there banter between, you and she answered in the affirmative, in all cases, because we are supposed to understand that none of that stuff is invitation to be raped. >> that is exactly right.

i think tacopina would like at least one juror, and you and i discussed before the segment began, in new york, in a federal court, there has to be a unanimous jury verdict. so all tacopina needs is one doubting person that has a somewhat retro version of how sexual assault victims are supposed to behave. but e. jean carroll very much owns what was happening between us was funny until it wasn't. >> right. tell, matt you said this 1 million times already, but let's explain again, why this is not a criminal rape trial. >> it's not a criminal rape trial because police were not involved. e. jean carroll has said 1000 times over, and tacopina was chastised for the judge for this, i never called the police, i didn't called please now, i haven't called them now. and the statutes of limitation for a criminal rape charge are over. this is a defamation case, where she is suing him, not only because he denied the sexual assault, but because he went further than that. he called her a liar, a hoax, a complete con job. someone who is in cahoots with the democratic party. all of those things that he

went above and beyond just saying it, didn't happen. those are the reasons she is suing him for defamation. and she made that clear distinguishing the assault by trump from one that she says she experienced by less moved, as the former chairman of cbs, who she says quietly denied that he assaulted her, but never went further than that, and that is why she didn't sue him. >> the thing is, that donald trump going out and defending her which is what he's suing her for is still going on. in fact, he was posting all through last week and the judge told the tacopina several times, you need to stop this. now that is not a first amendment violation, because he is not thing that donald trump can't post, nor can donald trump can't post about e. jean carroll. but donald trump was posting things that the judge said could be influential on the jury. explain that to me, because the jury is not supposed to be -- >> they're not supposed to be, right? but they are not quarantined. they are not living apart from their families right now. so they have a strict instructions from the judge, you don't read news, you don't need social media, they are supposed to be on a blackout. then again, we all know the

lure of our phones. as we're sitting here right now, you and i both have our phones in front of us. social media is hard to avoid. so the accusation, or rather, the implication by the judge was that trump is trying to infect this jury. he better stop. but more than, that he is also trying to intimidate e. jean carroll, who is still on the stand. because as she testified that morning on direct, she opened her twitter account that morning, and saw unleashed a new pile of hatred directed at her, not coincidentally, timed with the presidents 8:51 a.m. truth social post in which he talked about the dna, and also the blast team against her legal team, saying they are democratic operatives. >> she has been remarkably textured character on the stand, she cried, she talked about the way in which this is affected her state's. her life but this is almost a direct examination, when tacopina went at her, she was going back at him a few times. >> she did, and i