lure of our phones. as we're sitting here right now, you and i both have our phones in front of us. social media is hard to avoid. so the accusation, or rather, the implication by the judge was that trump is trying to infect this jury. he better stop. but more than, that he is also trying to intimidate e. jean carroll, who is still on the stand. because as she testified that morning on direct, she opened her twitter account that morning, and saw unleashed a new pile of hatred directed at her, not coincidentally, timed with the presidents 8:51 a.m. truth social post in which he talked about the dna, and also the blast team against her legal team, saying they are democratic operatives. >> she has been remarkably textured character on the stand, she cried, she talked about the way in which this is affected her state's. her life but this is almost a direct examination, when tacopina went at her, she was going back at him a few times. >> she did, and i want to be

careful of when we say she went back at him, because she was quiet and dignified, pushing back. but she said, you can't beat me up for not screaming. and the part that you quoted, came soon afterwards, she, said he raped me, whether i screamed or not. in other words, please stop going down this road. because you are trying to persuade people that something that i know to my core happened, didn't. on the basis of my not behaving the way you think a real rape victims should. >> and then her addressing the jury to say, he raped me, whether i screamed or not. some women are screamers, some women are not. >> lisa, thank you so much for the great conflict of this. we rely heavily of this, we rely on your analysis. we have an nbc analyst and legal and later. straight ahead, americas split screen analyst, on president biden launching his reelection campaign, in the other, trump attacking his political rivals alike. a lot has changed is the last

time these two men faced off as candidates, plus, senator mazie hirono helps us understand the dangers of a judge shopping, another hour of velshi begins, right now. velshi begins, right now. >> and good morning to you, it is sunday april the 30th, i'm ali velshi. will he won't be for sometime? president has made official exactly four years after announcing his 2020 campaign for president, biden announce his reelection bid this past tuesday, setting up the possibility of a rematch between his 2020 opponent donald trump. but a lot has transpired since the two men were last up for reelection against each other. at this early stage of the 2024 election cycle, they find themselves in vastly different circumstances. for one thing, joe biden has the upperhand this time as the incumbent and is using his position to help frame his message which is campaign. one simple phrase quote, let's finish the job.

biden's reelection announcement video opens with images of the january six insurrection at the capitol. and abortion rights protest at the supreme court. two key issues for democrats that continue to plague the republican party, especially when it comes to elections. both issues are already or indirectly linked to trump who remains under investigation by the special facts smith for his role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election and who transformed the supreme court into a conservative institution paving the way for roe v. wade to be overturned last summer. but while biden has jumped into the race with a focus message about defending america's freedoms and personal rights, trump has been fixating recently with stopping the momentum of florida governor ron desantis who has been the former presidents main rival for the gop nomination so far. he has not yet announced a presidential bid, but according for gop operatives with who nbc news spoke, he is set to announce an exploratory committee as soon as mid may.

a recent nbc news poll showed that trump still has a solid lead over desantis who is the only other official prospective candidate polling in a double digits right now. trump's campaign continued its attacks on the governor this week, with its first tv ad focusing on how desantis owes his political career trump. in stark contrast to the democrats who appear to be falling in line to support joe biden's reelection, even bernie sanders, a top independent progressive incumbents who was also biden's main challenger during the 2020 primaries, and early in horsemen of the president telling the associate press that i minute to do what i can to make sure the president is reelected. biden's also trying to bust, specially his partnership with vice president kamala harris. vice president was featured in biden's reelection video and has been tingle eid on the support for reproductive rights as part of a concerted effort to elevate her profile.

meanwhile, trump's battle relationship with his former vice president may be a huge liability for him as mike pence considers entering the presidential race himself. on top of all of that, mike pence spent several hours last thursday testifying to the federal grand jury investigating trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. aside from fences testimony to the federal grand jury, the writer and columnist e. jean carroll also testified in court this week about her allegation that the former president raped her in a dressing room back in the 1990s. trump has denied the allegations, we're gonna have more on that later on the show. but it all really underscores the vastly different circumstances of biden's exchange compared to that of his republican counterpart. joining me is michael steele, former chairman of the republican and the former lieutenant governor of maryland. he's also the host of the michael steele podcast and an msnbc political analyst. also with us, karen, she was a political columnist for the washington post, the author of the book the triumph of nancy

reagan and both of them are good friends of mine. thank you for being here this morning. to help us through this, we are in the election season now, where the people who are watching this like it or not, whether people don't want to think about an election that is 18 months away, we are in it now. david jolly of florida, former republican congressman said there is really only three people likely to be president, is don trump, joe biden, or rhonda scent, is ron santas is at the moment faltering. what is your evaluation of how the campaign is shaping up to be different and last one. >> i think shaping up to be different in the sense that donald trump is in the position to run the table, but he does have these little things like, i don't know, investigations and all types of court battles that he has to go through. but he is where it's gonna be different, i just don't see the base peeling off of him. i think they solidified the

hard around him, he is very good at affecting them in a way in which they doubled down on his problems. in other words, in traditional political circles, if you have a federal investigation, let alone a rape case, that is being raised against you everyone in the political class backs away so you go work that out, removing on. that is not the case here, the party, the politicians, and primarily the base have said not only will we stand with you, but we will block and this on your behalf. with all due respect to my friend david jolly, this is a two person race. ron desantis is not a factor in this race, in fact i've said publicly a few weeks ago, i'm suspicious as to if he even runs. given the dynamics and what i just said. how does he break that stranglehold? he is almost 20 points down.

how did you break that? and so the reality for republicans is there is no one who can unleash the grip that trump has. this trump -- this election is setting itself up to be a biden trump election until iran desantis or chris christie or someone else are able to take that away from trump. i haven't seen that happen yet. >> as a statewide elected official, making a fight with the biggest employer, possibly one most popular players interstate isn't a great recipe for success. let's talk about the biden reelection launch and the message he shot to get out there. you wrote about it in the washington post in which he wrote, in 2020 biden was right. americans were looking for a corrective to the extremism and vision. he can't argue convincingly that things have gotten all that much better since then. even without trump in the white house. but the stakes are even clearer, this is still about the character of the country and quote. i can agree with that more.

but resonate more a less than dozen 2020? you are right, things are probably worse. >> and in fact, what struck me looking at the video was not how things have changed in the past four years, but the facts, the themes that are still there. he opened his presidential campaign four years ago with footage of the racist protests in charlottesville. and he opened this time with footage of january 6th. he also made the point that he actually, i don't believe he even mentioned trump's name. trump shows up in the video, only fleetingly. he embraces ron desantis. but he does show people like marjorie taylor greene and the dry and very six rider to make

the point, i think, that trump-ism has become much bigger than trump. and michael is certainly better than i am about knowing the internal dynamics of the republican party at this point. i'm not quite so ready to can't rhonda santas out because i do think that there is, this time, going to be a great desire to win in the republican party. at some point, desantis backers will start making the argument, which there are certainly making to me which is that they believe that there is only one republican that biden can be. that is donald trump. there is only one republican who has the potential to be trump. again, certainly desantis has not been all that impressive in his last month. but i do think there is a

potentially strength there if he can fix some of his problems. >> i did conversation yesterday with state senator from south carolina, one of the five women who banded together for the third time to stop draconian anti abortion measures in south carolina. this woman is republican, she was a republican state senator, of the five women in the state senate in south carolina, three of them are republicans. she came on, she talked about her republican credentials. she talked about the fact that she doesn't hope that women have abortions, but she's not going to criminalize or judge them for doing it. if karen says republicans just want to win with or without trump, there are still problems about being out of step with americans on some major issues at the moment. including the criminalization abortive abortion, the regulation of guns, and other matters. and that seems to have given democrats the wind beneath their wings in the last month. >> it has.

so you can't discount any of that. yeah, everybody wants to win inside the republican party. they are sick of losing. they haven't won since, i don't know, 2020. i wonder what that is. but the reality of it is, quite honestly, that all these other issues are going to prevail upon the party. ron desantis is going back, back to how this plays out for someone like him. you a best trump, now what is your conversation with blessed of the country when they look at what you've done in florida. that translates? they think they want you to be the president band spokes across the nation? that attacks corporate america because they disagree with your political ideology? this is not just about winning the election, you have got to make a case in which people give you the win. whether it's abortion, i don't

know, giving everyone a non-license to carry weapons on the streets of florida, translate that across the country. we see these mass shootings continuing unabated. there is a lot more to this narrative, republicans have to account for it. besides getting the person who sounds like trump, it feels like trump, but not trump. and think that you're going to win the messaging conversation with the american people across the country when they are looking at what republican legislatures are doing, ousting the only two black legislators in tennessee. you know, criminalizing the womb of women and now with marjorie taylor greene, saying that unless you are a biological mother, your daughter -- so much for family values, right? let's be honest about the crapshoot that the republicans

are playing here. i'm just waiting to hear how the messaging. >> that's gonna be interesting to watch. i'm i'm always energized for having a conversation with the two of you, thank you so much for joining us. michael steele is a former chairman of the republican national committee, host of the michael steele podcast and on -- if i'm not mistaken, it's going to be handling the show for me next weekend. thank you for that. she is a political columnist with the washington post. still to come, we heard or stories a post-roe america, there is new evidence that sheds light on the f -- plus, extremist groups continue to exploit the system, shopping around for judges to fit their cases. i'm gonna talk about the danger that this poses to the future of american democracy and what senator mazy is doing to fight it coming up on velshi. is doing to fight it coming up on velshi ♪ ...i'm over 45. ♪ ♪ i realize i'm no spring chicken. ♪ ♪ i know what's right for me. ♪ ♪ i've got a plan to which i'm sticking. ♪ ♪ my doc wrote me the script. ♪

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amarillo texas, situated in a parade grasslands of the northern panhandle, it is a decently sized city, not huge. there's about 20,000 people. it is known to have extreme weather and it's one of the meatpacking capitals of the world. but amarillo for some reason is also where a court decided that medical providers across the whole united states should be allowed to discriminate against lgbtq people. it's also where in another nationwide injunction, a court determined that the trump era remain-in tech mexico should be reinstated. and for some reason, it was in amarillo, texas where a court decided that the food and drug administration should revoke its authorization of mifepristone, one of the two abortion pills. so no disrespect intended towards amarillo, texas, but why does the scramble city keep turning up in the epicenter for nationwide decisions. well, it's not actually not random at all, amarillo is home to the super conservative trump

appointed federal judge matthew kacsmaryk. every federal civil case filed is not automatically assigned to matthew kacsmaryk. he is the divisions only federal judge. with a conservative consistent track record like his, it is not all that hard to guess which way a judge like has merrick might rule. now, a version of this practice known as forum shopping has been employed by two sides of the political spectrum. whether you consider it manipulative or strategic, it is logical. whoever controls where the case is filed is gonna file in a place that is strategically advantageous to them. republicans did in the obama era, filing a disproportionate number of cases that would lead to the fifth circuit which is based in new orleans, which tends to rule conservatively. democrats did it during the trump era, a lot filing a disproportionate number of cases in courts that would lead to the ninth circuit which tends to rule more liberally. it is not simply a republican

problem or democratic problem, but in the last couple of years, a disproportionate your number of bills have been funneled through single judge districts. creating a more pointed version of forum shopping, is a direct appeal to a general region or district that will boost their odds of success, a path has emerged to plaintiffs directing to small subdivisions with one judge. that effectively ensures their desired outcome. on thursday, the senate majority leader chuck schumer of new york sent a letter to the chief judge of the northern judge -- it reads in part, the state of texas has sued the biden administration at least 29 times in texas federal district courts, but it is not filed even one of these cases in austin where the texas attorney generals offices is located. instead, texas has always sued where they ensure a political preferred a judge or one of a handful of preferred judges, they will hear the case. that includes the northern

district of amarillo, the admiral division were texas has filed a seven of its cases against the federal government. many other litigants around the same, including pet lines defending freedoms in his case challenging the fda's approval of mifepristone. the justice expressed this in an immigration case vaguely named texas versus the enolates. that was filed in a different single judge division in the southern district of texas. >> in texas, there are divisions within districts. you can pick your trial court judge's, you play by the rules, that is fine. you pick your trial court judge, one judge stops the federal immigration policy in his tracks. >> texas has a relatively large number of single judge divisions. making it hotspots for judge shopping, not just a texas problem, according to analysis by bloomberg, attorney general have filed more than 20% of

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activists plaintiffs should not be able to handpick in vigil judges to sedation my policy, i'm working to ensure based on the law, not the ideological agenda. >> good morning. >> let's talk about this some district and some judges courts are more liberal and conservative and that is okay you go to a particular district and you are only going to get this judge. what is the line in determining where people should and should be able to file the cases? >> well definitely in the state of texas where 27 decisions in

texas could have been one judge. that is why i would say it is so obvious and easy for people to go that one judge which is what happened with the judge has merrick. that is so obvious, that is a lie. >> let me ask you about something that chief justice john roberts addressed in his 2021 year and report. he said senators from both sides of the aisle have expressed concern that case assignment seizures allowing the -- the division of a district court, it might infect enable the plaintiffs to select a particular judge to heal a case. the judicial conference has long supported the random assignment of cases and fostered the rule of a district judges as generalists capable of handling the full range of issues. that last sentence is the one that's problematic. should they be journalists, capable of handling the full range of legal issues? when you look at somebody like has merrick, you think yourself a reasonable read of his

history would say not really. >> basically, you want all of our judges to be able to decide cases based on objective, fair application of the law and effects. that is not what happens with a judge like as merrick who has an ideological perspective. and frankly, that is how the majority of our supreme court decides to many cases starting of course with the road decision. and so americans, what we should know that our judges are being fair and objective, that cases are not being decided based on their ideological perspective. that is why i introduced this bill and frankly i'm glad that chuck schumer wrote a letter to the chief judge of the northern district of texas because they could randomly select which judge is going to get the case so that brilliance can't hand pick the judge to give them the desired results. >> in senators letter, he wrote

if that flexibility to hand pick their judges and further outcomes, commerce will consider more prescriptive requirements. can you give me a sense of your bill and what these prescriptive requirements could have been? how will they change the system? >> well certainly it would prevent the litigants in texas, they would have to go to the district court in washington d.c. which has decades and decades of experience dealing with cases that have to do with federal law, federal regulations, federal administrative decisions. they do it on the basis of objective analysis. that is where my bill would send these kinds of cases. no longer will litigants be able to go to any one of 28 divisions in texas where there is only one judge. >> last year, after judge roberts, justice roberts guidance, the rules were actually change in texas.

there are patting cases now in western texas, the western district of texas that are now dividing randomly between 12 judges in that district. that was just a simple rule change. could that fix the situation already require legislation to do it? >> that would help. in the event that this doesn't happen, i'm really glad that there is so much more attention being paid to how our judges decide cases. there is a growing recognition that there are too many judges who apply their ideological perspective and agenda to decision-making. i would say that our supreme court is not immune from that and that may lead to a discussion about quarter form starting with of course our supreme court having a code of ethics. >> that would be a good start. that is your conversation for us. senator, good to see you, thank you. >> it is very important. >> absolutely, good to see you, thanks for being with us again, democratic senator mazie hirono of the state of hawaii. all right still to come,

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describe a rare complication that happens when instead of a fetus developing, tissue inside the uterus becomes a cancerous tumor and therefore has zero chance of ever being a viable pregnancy. jay-z says hospital staff told her that she had to be much sicker before they could remove the tumor. she says that she was told to sit in the parking lot and wait for her health to deteriorate. her husband pleaded with the staff to treat his wife as she was doubled over in pain. the longer the tumor remained inside her, the higher the risk was that her life would be threatened. she could develop internal bleeding, kidney and liver failure and possibly even have a stroke. even as the staff acknowledge that the mueller pregnancy posed a serious health risk, they explain that the old home lock them from treating her saying quote, we cannot touch you unless you are crashing in front of us or your blood pressure go so high that you are fixing to have a hard check. or stories like this are playing out across america. america's patchwork of confusing abortion laws have

had their intended effect. paralyzing medical professionals at the expense of pregnant women in crisis. amanda zurawski, who is suing the state of texas after being denied a lifesaving abortion told lawmakers that not receiving abortion care harms for mental health and might prevent or from having children in the future. amanda received an emergency abortion only after she went into septic shock. during a senate hearing on the impact of the supreme court's reversal of roe v. wade, amanda described her ordeal. >> we have heard a lot today about the mental trauma and the negative harmful effects on a person's psychological well-being after they have an abortion. i'm curious, why is that not relevant for me as well? i wasn't permitted to have an abortion and the trauma and the ptsd and the depression that i

have dealt with in the eight months since this happened to me is paralyzing. on top of that, i am still struggling to have children. i want to address my senators, whose and cornyn, who regrettably are not in the room right now. i would like for them to note that what happened to me, i think most people in the room agree, was horrific. but it is a direct result of the policies that they support. i nearly died on their watch. >> amanda roske joins me now, she is the lead plaintiff in the texas abortion ban lawsuit as you just saw. she testified before the judiciary committee on capitol hill this morning. also with me is doctor jim, the president and ceo of the fish isn't for you've productive health and a certified gynecologist. welcome to both of you, thank you for being with us.

amanda, let me start with you please. how are you doing? i want to ask you, you talked not only about physical health, but your mental health, the struggles you go through and the fact that you are in a lawsuit, a political battle right now. how are you doing? >> thank you for having me, it is complicated. there's a lot going on. just taking it one day at a time. being able to channel my grief and trauma into something that hopefully is going to bring about some good has been enormously healing. but as i mentioned, the hearing, the trauma physically and emotionally, it was inflicted on me as a result of the laws, expecting it harder for us to have children. i would say a lot of high highs and low lows right now. >> it is very brave what you do, it would be brave just to talk about your own personal experiences and mental health and your physical health, but to do it in front of a congressional committee is

intimidating. why we are senators not there, did you ever get any explanations as to why corden and cruz were not present to hear that? >> -- >> i would assume that is the whole point of these, hearings to hear real things. >> that's what i thought was going to happen. i thought they were there to return to me and hear what their constituents and the people who let them have to say. how they feel, but as you saw, that wasn't the case. it is worth noting that they were both in the room for some of the hearing. but when it was my turn to speak, they were notably not there. i have not got an answer as to why. i know certain media outlets have reached out to them for comment. i don't believe that they have gotten back as far as i know. >> dr. parrot, this ocosta and amanda's particular circumstance is validating of the view that a whole bunch of people had. it is not surprising probably

to you that the desired effect here is for attorney general and state legislators and others to intimidate the system. not just women, but their health care providers, we've gone past intimidation now in oklahoma into straight-up confusion. a woman shows up at a hospital in distress about anything to do with anything below the rib cage. and doctor street out. hospitals freak-out, emergency rooms freak out, they don't know what they're supposed to do because they fear prosecution. >> absolutely. let me start by just expressing the gratitude to you, amanda for sharing your story. it is a very brave thing to do. to be honest, as somebody who is also testifying before these committees, it is intimidating. but to be able to have that station speaker truth, i'm deeply grateful. i also want to say that should not be what is required to get access to basic, essential time sensitive health care. you are absolutely right, the

desired impact was confusion. it is not that we have health care providers don't know how to take care of people who are having miscarriages, or care for folks who are seeking abortions. but what we have is a bunch of individuals with no scientific background, no medical treatment, legislating care that we can provide and in our officers, our hospitals, our clinics. and the result is dangerous. it is violence because it will result in the death of many more pregnant people and people with the capacity for pregnancy. we will continue to see this play out in a big way. >> people who turned to the health care system which is what we are taught since we are little kids, that is where you go when there is a problem. you've got your health care system to fix it. you and doctors and nurses and medical professionals will deal with it. now we have this extra layer in there of a bunch of politicians deciding what happens with your body. i'm gonna ask both of you to stay right where you are, dr., please stay with me. i want to continue this

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lead plaintiff in the texas abortion lawsuit, parrot is the president and ceo for physicians for reproductive health, a certified gynecologist. thanks for being here, both of you. i know you've told a story a lot of times. it is crucial, the reason you tell it is so people hear it and understand it.

there are a lot of women who do not plan to have complications in the pregnancies, although america is higher on the list of dangers pregnancies then most developed nations, by a long shot. but tell me what happened in your pregnancy, what was the process that led you to almost dying because you couldn't be provided with the services you need? >> absolutely, first and foremost, i think it's worth noting that it took about a year and a half of fertility treatment to get pregnant. when my husband and i found out that we were expecting, we were completely just over the moon, ecstatic. for about 17 and a half weeks, things were going really well. and then one day shy of 18 weeks, i had some curious, unexpected symptoms and found out very, very quickly that i had a condition called insufficiency, or incompetent cervix which just basically

meant that i was dilating prematurely. because it happened very quickly for me, and my membranes were hemorrhaging, our doctor told us that we were inevitably going to lose the baby. and so unfortunately at that point, what i needed was an abortion because i was unprotected. hours left vulnerable with the condition that i was dealing with. we couldn't get one because the baby's heart was still beating and i wasn't sick. the only option that we had was to wait until either the baby's heart stopped or i got so sick that my life was considered endangered. for me, it was the latter that happened. it took three days to get there. going into septic shock before i could get treatment. it is also worth noting that in those three days, we were back and forth to the hospital

several times, being denied health care because again, i wasn't considered sick enough. >> dr. parrot, three days. amanda uses the terms curious and i'm expected, which is the case for many of us. anything we get is unexpected, so we go to the doctor for this. if the life of the mother is in danger, most people except, not most people, i guess most people. most people except that that is something that should be treated. what happens now? what amanda describes is an entirely normal thing for someone who's in the pregnancy. something goes wrong, you go seek help, she was three days away from septic shock. what went wrong here? >> so many things went wrong. the number one thing that went wrong is that for those of us who are trained for decades to provide this care and still have our medical knowledge, our training and experience, and most importantly the folks who need care have a live experience disregarded at the hands of politicians who are

making decisions about our agency, our bodily autonomy and our well-being. let me say really clearly, this is unacceptable. it is unacceptable, it is dangerous, and you mention that the outset, the rate of the dangerous risks that pregnancies cause in this country more than others. united states spends more per capita on health care than any country in the world. we have the most abysmal maternal mortality rates. amanda's story is a testament to that. more pregnant people will die, more mothers will die as this continues and we are already seeing the impact of that in the state of texas, in oklahoma, in places where abortion bans have been restricted, medicaid has not been expanded, and those with the greatest need to access care are continuing to get the least. it is unacceptable, it is not medicine, it is not care, it is not why i trained for 15 years to take care of folks in my community. >> amanda, you heard me telling

the story about jc statin in oklahoma who had a mueller pregnancy, there's no chance that there is gonna be a baby. this change the name. they told her that they can treat or unless her blood pressure spikes and shoes in danger attack or stroke. she waited in the parking lot. sounds like at a rate just, crazy story story to me and my viewers. i bet she you read this and thought yeah, i get that, i totally get how that happened in neighboring oklahoma, it is happening across the country. >> exactly, it is horrific. when you hear the stories, people should be outrage and they should be terrified. unfortunately what is happening is it is going to continue to happen and it's going to happen more and more as more restrictions are passed and more states across the country. what happened to me is eventually going to be normal. we know, and texas especially, we know that they're trying to pass even more restrictive laws. if we don't do something, this

is going to become normal when it absolutely should not be. >> it does need to be normal, this actually isn't a conversation we should even be having. we are going to have, it we're gonna have many times. amanda, so remarkably brave of you to keep telling the story over and over again. you will save lives as a result of doing this. dr. paris, thank you as well for continuing to save lives of women. amanda zurawski, the lead plaintive in the texas abortion ban lawsuit and the president and ceo of physicians for reproductive health, she's a certified obstetrician and gynecologist. well, it is for me, thank you for watching, catching back here next saturday and sunday morning from 10 am to noon eastern. stay right where you are, inside with jen psaki begins right now. >> president biden makes his reelection bid officially official, while the former president goes through some things on the legal front. former white house chief of staff ron joins me to talk about all of it and that is coming up first. plus, just how crucial could it mike pe