it absolutely should not be. >> it does need to be normal, this actually isn't a conversation we should even be having. we are going to have, it we're gonna have many times. amanda, so remarkably brave of you to keep telling the story over and over again. you will save lives as a result of doing this. dr. paris, thank you as well for continuing to save lives of women. amanda zurawski, the lead plaintive in the texas abortion ban lawsuit and the president and ceo of physicians for reproductive health, she's a certified obstetrician and gynecologist. well, it is for me, thank you for watching, catching back here next saturday and sunday morning from 10 am to noon eastern. stay right where you are, inside with jen psaki begins right now. >> president biden makes his reelection bid officially official, while the former president goes through some things on the legal front. former white house chief of staff ron joins me to talk about all of it and that is coming up first. plus, just how crucial could it mike pence's testimony be to

the special counsel's case against donald trump. i will ask former general neil. meanwhile, fox cuts ties to tucker carlson. but don't give the murdochs profiles acreage war just yet, i will take you through all the things that they didn't firecracker for and what that reveals about the future of the network. and later, a trip to the british embassy a cup of tea with -- her thoughts on the war in ukraine, being a woman in a male dominated field, and yes, the upcoming coronation of king charles. >> so we saw a pretty jarring split screen this week from the two leading candidates for president in 2024. and that split screen served as a reminder of what is at stake in this election. on one side, president joe biden formally took the plunge, officially launching his reelection campaign in a video

released on tuesday. in it, the president reiterated his commitment to protecting personal freedoms from voting rights to abortion rights, to civil rights, big issues in this campaign. he also hosted a state dinner wednesday night where the highlight was the south korean president singing american pie. how american is that? and last, night present biden joins hundreds of people in a hotel ballroom to make jokes that only a washington crowd would laugh at. in other words, all of this was pretty normal fodder for an episode of the west wing. and that is intentional on there and. their strategies is to present a stable in command president. doing things that presidents do. contrast that with the headlines about the most likely republican nominee, donald trump. just this week, carol testified in a manhattan courthouse, alleging that the former president raped her. while campaigning in new hampshire this week, trump literally embraced a january 6th defendant who later said

former vice president pence should be executed. and speaking of mike pence, he made history this week himself. president to testify before a grand jury against the president he served. that is not a great development for donald trump, in case you are wondering. and yet, despite all that, if the election between trump and biden were held today, it would still be a nail-biter. joining me now is someone who has worked alongside president joe biden for decade. former white house chief of staff, my friend, my old boss, ron klain. it's like sitting in your old office. >> you've done a great job with the new show, it's great to be here. >> thank you, it's great to have you here. the president has been pretty quiet on trump's legal troubles, for good reason. there is precedent, the indictment was about hush money payments to adult film star, but there could be more indictments coming that are about the issues that the president is running his campaign on, defense of democracy, opposition to election denialism.

is it going to -- it will he need to be more vocal about the specifics of these cases? >> well jim, i think the president is going to have to work this out on trump. i think he has points of contrast with donald trump, they involve an approach to the economy, involve what we are going to do to move our country forward. issues like climate change, voting rights, abortion rights, i think that's what they will be focused. on but it is a choice of which direction the country goes now. >> in his video, there was a reference to of course defensive democracy, defensive rights. and he has given some powerful speeches on these issues. with all of this hanging out there, dominating the media, doesn't make it hard for him not to make that a bigger part of his campaign? i think the defense of democracy which is a big part of his first campaign, a big part of his time as president will be a big part of his campaign in 2024. i think counting on the various legal developments, it may not be a big part of his campaign in 2024.

presidents fighting against republicans all of this country, unfortunately too many don trump's over the country. trying to take trump's ideas, make them the laws in various states. that is what the president is standing up against. he says we need a country with more freedoms, oldest freedoms. >> with the chief of staff to the president, you've also been the chief of present to a vice president. as you are watching this news, break this week about former vice president mike pence testifying in front of a grand jury against, against his former boss, president trump gives a little sense of how significant that is, how unprecedented that is? >> it is truly unprecedented, as you said. it is obviously an incredible thing to see. fortunately, i never worked for a vice president who work to the criminal president. i have to face that. i'm glad to see pence doing his duty in coming forward. >> you know attorney general garland pretty well, he was

famously allergic to politics. part of the reason why think it's fair to say why he was nominated by the president for this job. but he is going to have to navigate what is sure to be a political firestorm, indictments, or not. how do you think he will now get that? >> judge garland has always navigated by calling a straight, by trying to approach the facts. i'm sure that's what he will do even in an election year, even in controversial times. he's gonna be who he is. >> he's always been criticized, i've been a defender of his, i know you have been as well. what do people not understand about his process and how he approaches legal cases? >> well, i think that judge garland leads the integrity of the justice department and institutional norms. i think at a time when a lot of americans, including me, would like to defend rights, a more

cautious measured approach seems not aggressive enough given the threats to our rights. >> do you think the justice department should be more aggressive on those voting rights and they are being now? >> i think they should look for opportunities to go to court and make it clear that voter intimidation is wrong and that some of these efforts in the states to limit women's rights to travel, get information, get medical care they need is contrary to our laws and contrary to the principles of our constitution, yes. >> do you think the pace at which the attorney general garland has operated all the cases against trump and i'm naming jack smith, is the appropriate pace? >> you know, i think i'm good with the justice department seek its own individual cases. >> most of us are operating under the assumption that trump is going to be the nominee. i said, that i know you have said that recently. and the choice there seems pretty clear, competence versus chaos, offensive democracy against not defending democracy. if it is someone else, like a

ron desantis, does the case change? >> i don't think it does, obviously it was different, don trump is unique in many ways. but i think you are seeing governor desantis, someone who shares a lot of trump's views on key things like reproductive freedom, voting rights, other issues like that. i think this choice is a choice against any trump-like republican armies in 2024. and i think the president will be voting on his record, with regard to who his opponent is. i think the race is going to be the race, i think it's going to look the same despite -- if they nominate someone from the party, it seems almost certain. >> i personally think this argument over the presidents age is overwrought in part because part of the argument is experience, also by the way, don't trump's 76 years old. he is clearly the front runner. but it is clearly a favorite argument of republican candidates. nikki haley suggested the

president won't live through the next five years. are there moments, i know the presidents responses just watch me, but are there moments when it is beyond the pale? there needs to be a different response. >> i think the response is the president doing his job. i think we will see that every day. the rigorous way the president works, such as his trip to ukraine, an incredibly dangerous trip that the president took. i think that answers any questions about his age. i understand why voters asked in 2020 and decided that he was the right person for the job. i think the same thing will happen in 2024. not only is the president up to the job in doing the job, but frankly a choice between joe biden and donald trump or wrong incentives is a stark choice. i think he stands for what and the record, and what he will do going forward, those are going to overcome any questions about age. >> now the presidents nomination, something that you

were very involved in as the chief of staff. it is a big part of his legacy and yours as the chief of staff. it is essentially frozen right now because feinstein has been out with shingles and the republicans have refused to agree to a swap. you've expressed confidence that the republicans on the other way will do that. when i heard that i was thinking, i wish i was he in his office i get asked what he meant by that. are you referring to, do you think they will have to support qualify nominees? or do you think there will be a process change that allows for these nominees to come forward. >> well, i think getting these judges confirmed is an important part of his overall agenda. strong support from leaders, from this person. most of the nominees have been confirmed by bipartisan basis. what you have right now is nominations from all of the community who actually would get a majority of votes, including some republican votes if they could get to the senate floor. and when we had a 50/50 senate,

we were able to get them out of the committee with a discharge motion. the democratic majority, there are no discharge motions. they're even east to be a process to get them out of the committee, even in his absence, or to deal with her absence. but the process of filling vacancies must continue, i'm confident that senator schumer and they will find a way to put forward. >> one of the things in your very lengthy resume is that you really counsel to the senate judiciary committee under president biden's chairman of that committee. it sounds like there is something that can happen in the senate that could allow these things to move forward. >> i think they will find a way to do it. there can always be changed, i think that senator schumer have accommodated republicans on policy. we have taken republican input from their states. i think in exchange for that, it is reasonable that the nominees who are qualified can move out of the committee,

faced a vote on the senate floor. >> you, the risk been -- you are an institutionalist it is for sale. a defender of institutions, as is the president. including this room court. there has been a drip drip in the last few weeks about. lavish spending, about not disclosing gifts, about relatives benefiting from justice membership on the court. it feels broken to people who don't know what is going on there. do you feel that it can be fixed? how can be fixed? >> i think the same cefixime rules that apply in full force to the other federal judge should apply to the supreme court. i think it's odd that the same rules do not apply to the court. i think we have seen this from the court on this, it isn't up to the high standards of the court. i hope that the justices will come forward and adopt other federal judges have applied. other senators have to, it is time to bring the court up to the same ethical standards as

other judges. >> and she worked on when you're in counsel to the committee was the assault weapons ban which was passed when the president was the chairman. there's not assault weapons ban in place today. there was another shooting this weekend, using in ar-15, five people including an eight year old were killed in a shooting. you are very savvy political guy, why getting the politics of moving forward will not exist right now. am i wrong in that assessment? >> i think the politics exist, the votes don't exist. that is up to the voters to change in 24, it is important they do. we passed a ban on the number of weapons, including the ar-15, masters went down. one of the most difficult parts of my job is getting that call in the middle of the night, way too many nights with another mass shooting with an ar-15. it is crazy that we allow our children and our friends and neighbors to gun down this way. but we were able to ban this

gun before for a decade from 1994 until 2004 when it expired. a number of masters went down. we shouldn't tolerate what is going on in our country, it is unacceptable. i think the voters feel that way, i think that will join with president biden and reinstate that assault ban that he had put in place. >> a subpoena differing congress. before i let you go, mother's day is coming up, i know from known you for a long time that your mother was an incredibly important person in your life. i just want to ask you to tell me, you're gonna make me cry, but tell me a little bit about her. how did she raise a person who became the white house chief of staff, the vice presidents chief of staff, a mentor to many. tell me a little bit about your mother >> we lost her in february. it was very, very sad. obviously, it still is for me. she dropped out of school at age 18, never finished college, had me when she was 19.

put her heart and soul into raising her children. but also, right to small businesses and eventually playing a major role in indianapolis where group. and she will be very much missed. >> i know she is. i know she would be so incredibly in >> remember to call your mom today. i know i will. we have much more to come this hour including much more on the appearance by former vice president mike pence before the grand jury investigating donald trump on january 6th. i will talk to an attorney who just argued his 50th case before the supreme court. later, my thoughts on tucker carlson's abrupt departure from fox news and why i don't have high hopes that much will change in his absence. we are back after a quick break. k after a quic break. and things are a no-go because you keep seeing double, or...your bloodshot eyes have you seeing red,

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week before a washington grand jury in the special counsel's ongoing investigation into donald trump's effort to overturn the 2020 election, pretty significant. we don't know what exactly was asked of him or how exactly he answered. we can be sure that none of it will be good for his former boss. we know that pence was key to donald trump's failed plot to overturn the election on january 6th. in the two years since, pence has largely refrained from talking about that day. he refused to speak to the january six committee and even fought the subpoena to testify before the grand jury. considering that a man a mob wanted to hang him, pence's public offense have been surprisingly measured unless he is not in front of the cameras. at a dinner which i happened to be at last month in washington, pence gave us most direct criticism of his former boss to date, saying, quote, president trump was wrong. his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the capitol that day. i know history will hold donald

trump accountable. pence's testimony may help do exactly that. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst and former acting solicitor general who just argued his 50th case before the supreme court. that feels like a lot of cases you've argued before the supreme court. >> a lot. >> congratulations and thank you for making time for me today. i want to start with a question most people are wondering. what pieces of the story can mike pence uniquely offer or answer to the grand jury? >> i think pence coming in to testify is to use the words of the poet, your former boss, a big deal. >> very poetic. >> the idea that a former vice president is going into a criminal grand jury and testifying about what is blasted, that is beyond historic if i am jack smith, what do i want to know? i want to know what trump actually actually believed.

pence is the guy in the room where it happened. he was able to testify about that. did trump really believe that he won this election or was he going around saying, here is what we are going to do to orchestrate pretend when? in criminal law, mens rhea is the most important thing, criminal intent. that is what these questions are about. >> you touched on some of these. if you are questioning pence, as -- what would you ask him? what kinds of questions would you ask him to get to that level of detail? >> i would specifically go day by day. what did trump say to you on this day? what did he say on that? what did he tell other people? >> it's almost chronological. >> chronologically and really slowly and carefully. that is why reports are that he was there for more than five hours. this is not a guy who is like, being brave. this is mr. invertebrate going to washington. i mean, this is -- pence is not someone to be in forthcoming. as you were saying, his life was very much under attack on

that day by a mob sent to the president. he would have to be slow, careful, and try to get out the truth. >> you mentioned more than seven hours, some reports have said. what is the significance about the length of time? >> i do think it means that jack smith, the prosecutor, was going really slowly day-by-day. beyond that, i don't think we can say too much except that it does say something about jack smith's time and. if you're a prosecutor and you are thinking of bringing in the former vice president, like i said, that's a big deal. you do that only at the end. you have one shot. it's kind of like eminem. you have one opportunity. >> you bring the biggest fish in at the end. >> you can't bring him in again. maybe you can if new facts emerge, but you really want to try to do that to button everything up. i do think what that means is that we are going to see some movement from jack smith officially on to the next things in the next couple of

weeks. >> do you think there are additional big fish which could come here after pence? >> i don't think so. i think pence is kind of the last person. there are other people like john eastman and others who probably are asserting attorney-client privilege or maybe the targets. you don't bring targets into the grand jury necessarily. i think we are really talking about toward the end of this january 6th probe. there is the mar-a-lago probe which is separate. >> we could get close. nbc's jonathan allen caught up with former president trump right after we learned of pence's testimony. let's listen. >> mister president, mister president, what do you think of mike pence testifying today? >> i don't know what he said. >> let me get a picture! >> i have a lot of confidence in him. it sounds like it is out of the sopranos. what did you think of his comments? >> that's exactly how it sounds to me. i mean, donald trump is someone who has always tried to intimidate witnesses, dangle pardons in front of them, all

sorts of stuff to try to get them to stop telling the truth. trump tried. this week, he went to the u.s. court of appeals, our second highest court, to try to block pence from testifying. he is not behaving like a guy who is, like, cool pence's testimony. of course he's not. once the testimony happened, i'm sure he tried to shape the narrative. >> you mentioned you think it is coming soon. for people watching at home, does that mean weeks, months? what is the timeframe we are talking about here? >> i think it means weeks. obviously, anything can happen. the nice thing about this justice department, unlike the last one under donald trump, it is that it doesn't lead. we don't know. we are just trying to infer from outside. >> they are very low lead, that is true. >> i mean, people can have different views of attorney general garland. on the way of bringing the justice department back to the way it is traditionally run, it's institution i and everyone who has been fortunate enough to work their love. garland has brought it back to what it normally operates as.

the result of that is we are all frustrated because we don't know what jack smith is going to do or when he's going to do it. >> that is certainly true. thank you so much. thank you for sharing a lot of light on what we are seeing out there. the second highest ranking house democrat congresswoman catherine clark will join me onset in a few minutes. i will get her take on what is really happening inside the republican-led house. first, my thoughts on fox's decision to sever ties with tucker carlson and what it does and doesn't tell us about the network's future. as we go to break, president biden weighs in on carlson's departure at the white house correspondent dinner. we are back after this. correspondent dinner we are back af ter this >> the truth is we really have a record to be proud of. vaccinated in the nation, transformed the economy, or an historic legislative victories and midterm results, but the job is not finished. it is finished for tucker

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news had abruptly fired tucker carlson caught many by surprise including tucker carlson. it ignited a flurry of reporting about why exactly the conservative cable network parted with its top rated host. was it because of highly offensive and crude messages discovered by the board of directors? maybe. he reportedly called a female executive at the seaward. you know the one. was it due to the workplace harassment lawsuit filed by a former producer? was it simply that rupert murdoch decided carlson was more trouble than he was worth? for now, it's not entirely clear. what we do know is that for years fox news seem to have an ample reason to oust carlson. they did nothing. take this anti emigrant screen

in 2018. >> we have a moral obligation to admit to the world's pool or even if it makes our own country poorer and dirtier and more divided. >> charming. there was carlson's outrageous january 6th conspiracy theories like this one, saying it was all an inside job. >> the government knows who they are. the government has not charged them. why is that? you know why. they were almost certainly working for the fbi. fbi operatives were organizing the attack on the capitol. >> obviously crazy. there was his obsessive promotion of the white house national replacement theory. >> an unrelenting stream of immigration, but why? joe biden just said it, to change the racial mix of the country. that is the reason, to reduce the political power of people

whose ancestors lived here and dramatically increase the proportion of americans newly arriving from the third world. >> throughout it all, fox backed tucker. when asked in 2021 to comment on carlson's long record of lies and bigotry, and you just heard a lot of it there, fox news plainly said, we fully support him. for years, they did. if you think tucker's firing means fox as seen the light, don't hold your breath. don't judge them on why they fired carlson. judge them for all the times they didn't. judge them for what they are still putting on the air. since his exit on monday, it has been business as usual for their primetime lineup. here is laura ingraham on thursday. >> the american citizens see that biden's team is not focused on raising their standard of living. instead, the biden team is focused on remaking the country. illegal immigrant dreamers are valued over native born

americans. >> sounds pretty familiar, right? fox news may have had a problem with tucker himself. his ideas, the conspiracies, the lies, these explicit white nationalist views were never the total problem for the network. they endorsed all of that and continued to do so. this is simply who they are. coming up, speaker kevin mccarthy may have passed his debt ceiling bill in the house. that is about as far as it is going to go. is there any way both sides could come to an agreement? i will ask democratic rap catherine clark about her plan after a quick break. plus, a tour of the beautiful greenhouse of the uk embassy. that was just a small part of my visit with karen pearce just as her country prepares for the coronation of king charles. that's coming up. ronation of king charles that's coming up that's coming up when you're a small-business owner, your to-do list can be... a lot. ♪♪ [ buttons clicking ]

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this week the house gop managed to pass a bill to for a student healing. you might think, that sounds great! i've heard about the catastrophic effects of a default now i don't have to worry about it. not so fast. yes, the bill raises the debt ceiling, but it also slashes spending in ways which would hurt millions of americans. it claws back covid relief money that a lot of people rely on, peels green energy programs, rolls back president biden's student loan forgiveness program, and for folks funding for the irs, to name a few. it should come as no surprise that both the white house and leader schumer have made clear

that the bill has no chance of actually becoming law. the two parties are at an impasse here. this is not an issue where our country can afford to be at an impasse. for the first time in a long time, we are facing the real possibility of defaulting on our debt. something has to give and soon. joining me now is one of the people tasked with figuring this out, catherine clark. no pressure at all. we know the bill is not going to pass for all of the reasons i just outlined. the question is really, what comes next? president biden says he does not want to negotiate. democratic leaders have said they don't want to negotiate. isn't the only path forward for democrats and republicans in the house and senate to talk to each other and figure out what is next? >> the path forward here is very clear. the responsible thing that we have to do is avoid this gop manufactured a default crisis. we know that last time when

they came up to the brink of defaulting the cost was born by the american people. we are already anticipating people seeing $800 more on a car loan. in my home state, $250 more on a mortgage payment per month. the last time we saw americans who are close to retirement, people lose $250 on average. for what? we have two very distinct processes. we pay our bills in this country. we did it three times without fanfare under donald trump. we also have an appropriation process where we come together when negotiate -- we put our budgets out. we come to compromise together about what is best for the american people. that republicans have rejected this. >> that all sounds very sane. that is why the debt limit has

been raised dozens of times. kevin mccarthy voted for all three of those. >> that's right. >> it doesn't seem clear that that path forward is working. for example, a clean debt limit vote would be the easiest thing. that is what you have called for. the president has called for that. do you have agreement from every member of the democratic caucus that they would support a clean debt limit vote? >> we just put the vote on the books on wednesday of this week. every single member of the democratic caucus voted to have a clean debt ceiling vote. they rejected this ransom note that we have been handed by the gop. let's look at what it does. not only are they reject in doing the responsible thing and putting our economy and the global economy at risk, but they are saying to the american people, you are going to foot the bill for this. it would be 30 million doctors

appointments for veterans that would disappear. that would be a huge impact on the health care of our veterans, just as we passed the act which is helping our veterans get the health care they need after exposure to burn pits, help in vietnam vets get what they need in disabilities. the list goes on. it would impact our women and infants food program. 1.7 million women and kids would not have the nutritional assistance that they need. it would undermine everything that we are trying to do at this moment to create an economy that works for everyone and for what? >> it would be catastrophic and they are holding it hostage. there are members of the caucus who were in the problem solvers caucus, as they call it, who have put forward proposals which would include a fiscal commission, some budget

reforms. do you see that as a potential path forward? >> yeah, i would bring you back to every member of our caucus including the problem solvers just voted with complete unity against this proposal. they understand. the american people are looking at a sensing, it should not be a partisan drama playing out that we are going to foot the bill for. do the responsible thing. be the grown-ups in the room! address our debt. raise the debt ceiling. avoid a default crisis which is manufactured by the gop. we can go and talk about investments. i look at the president's budget. i see a budget that understands what we can create when we invest in the american people. when we protect social security, when we make a tax code which

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wanted to be. i thought about being a fighter pilot and an accountant and a nuclear physicist. >> unaccounted feels like it's out of the realm there. >> it is good and steady. >> there are very few high-level women at the table in places like the middle east, even asia, even parts of south america. are there times when that has been an advantage to be one of the only women at the table? >> for me, it has been as much of an advantage as it has been a detriment. people notice you. they may notice you for the wrong reasons. they notice you. it is incumbent on you to make them notice you for the right reasons. >> one of the areas you have spent a lot of time is on issues like ukraine. we spent a lot of time with russian diplomats. what is their style? >> their style is usually -- the aim, i think, is to find something that will expose what

the real problem is. if he felt you were sincere in understanding the real concerns as opposed to the stated concerns, you could get something done. >> do you think there is a pathway to work with them on any issues we are suffering globally? >> i don't want to say the never will be, but at the moment it is too difficult. there's a gangster like quality and some of the things that russia is doing. >> you also spent time as the ambassador to afghanistan. you tended to wear heels. tell me about that. >> being in afghanistan, write an idiot gets suppressed. you are walking on incredibly rough terrain. nothing is normal. i would cling to certain things to try to pretend i was still in london where the foreign offices. heels were part of that.

>> i know we were going to look around a little bit. should we do that? >> let's do it. >> i didn't even know this existed. this is very cool. >> it's fantastic. this is our wonderful orchid collection. there is always something voluptuous about orchids. we have some very good specimens. we have an orchid named after the queen for her jubilee. that is bright pink. we have one for me which is white and purple and yellow. >> i know that there is classical music typically playing in here because orchids like classical music. >> i actually think the orchids are quite prima donna's. they know what they like. >> you made a bit of a name for yourself telling people how to make a proper cup of tea. what should we know? >> rather than me tell you,

what we would like to do is serve you with a proper cough of t. >> lovely! >> and scones served by the staff at the residence. >> another big event in the uk is the upcoming a coronation of king charles. >> yes! >> what people may forget is there has not been a coronation like this in decades because queen elizabeth -- >> 70 years! there's a huge amount of tradition going with the coronation. there is the very important holy oil. in days gone by, people believed that when a king or queen was crowned the divine spirit came on to them from god. there still is the holy oil even though the way people view of the monarchy has moved on. >> you have served as a diplomat for many decades with queen elizabeth in that role. what kind of impact did she have on you as you're representing your country?

>> i think you are just incredibly proud. whatever i looked at the queen, i didn't just see the queen as a person. you kind of see the whole of history and the whole of the united kingdom held in what was quite a tiny figure. she also had a fantastic sense of humor. >> ken charles was about to be coronated. how do you think he will be different from her? >> he definitely wants to be modern. he wants to make it a monarchy that is for the future. >> what do you think the american public doesn't understand about the british monarchy? it feels like a big mystery here sometimes. >> i think the mysterious part of it, to be absolutely honest. it's the majesty, the splendor used in its literal sense, the pageantry. every single piece of it seems to have the weight of history in it. the queen and the royal family touched more people than we might think. >> absolutely. ambassador pierce, thank you so

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i'm going to answer a few of the great questions you have been sending in. i'm going to try to get to a bunch. joe asked, will roberts refusal to appear in front of the senate judiciary committee along with everything move the needle of the response of the democrats to the supreme court? are they doing enough there? it is criticism of durbin fair? lots packed into that question. the big question here is, why on earth to supreme court justices lived by a different set of rules that members of congress in terms of ethical requirements, disclosures, and would -- what will congress to? will they pass a law to make that harder or hold them to the same standard? that is what i'm watching. michelle asked, it is me and desantis? that is a short question, michelle. here is the thing -- desantis has been fighting disney for a long time. disney punched back in a big week. my money is on mickey and minnie but we will see how this all plays out. can potus ignore the debt

ceiling should congress not pass a bill to raise it? good question here. the answer is not really. we don't know. no president that i am aware of has ignored the debt ceiling. it has not been controversial until recent years. there are questions about minting a coin or congress getting rid of the debt ceiling. for now, they have to figure out a path forward. that's the last one i can do. that does it for me. be sure to follow the show on twitter, tiktok, and instagram. we will be back here next sunday at noon eastern but stay right where you are. there is much more ahead on msnbc. ahead o msnbc. >> a very good day to all of you from the new center here in los angeles. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports.