ceiling should congress not pass a bill to raise it? good question here. the answer is not really. we don't know. no president that i am aware of has ignored the debt ceiling. it has not been controversial until recent years. there are questions about minting a coin or congress getting rid of the debt ceiling. for now, they have to figure out a path forward. that's the last one i can do. that does it for me. be sure to follow the show on twitter, tiktok, and instagram. we will be back here next sunday at noon eastern but stay right where you are. there is much more ahead on msnbc. ahead o msnbc. >> a very good day to all of you from the new center here in los angeles. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news

from san jacinto county in texas. a manhunt has expanded for a mass shooting suspect. houston fbi officials in just a last hour released new photos of francisco oropeza. priscilla thompson is joining us from cleveland, texas. welcome. this manhunt has been going since friday night. i know officials thought they had the suspect surrounded yesterday. what happened? >> yeah, authorities are saying that the suspect, quote, could be anywhere. what we know is that authorities were out on horseback. they had dogs tracking him. they also had a heat sensing drone up in the air. they felt they had this perimeter around him in this wooded area. ultimately, they held a press conference last night and announced that all they found there was the suspect's cell phone and some of his clothing. after that, the tracking dogs lost his scent.

at that press conference, they talked about where the investigation goes from here. take a listen to some of what they had to say. >> he could be anywhere now. we located the device that we were looking for. we found it abandoned. there were some articles of clothing laying a round. the tracking dogs from the texas department of corrections picked up the scent. they lost that scent in the water or whatever. at this time, the area went from 5 to 6 square miles. it could be as much as ten or 20 depending on whether you cross the wire. >> it is a horrific crime. i can assure you that law enforcement will deliver accountability. the case is an active one under investigation. i can't comment further. >> that last soundbite you heard from dhs secretary mayorkas, chuck did

specifically ask him about the suspect's immigration status. mayorkas did declined to comment. we reached out to federal agencies to try to get more information about that. so far, we have not heard back. this investigation is still ongoing. we are at the scene now where this happened. there are state law enforcement and fbi on the ground here knocking on doors, speaking to residents here. we also had an opportunity to speak to people about how they are feeling with the suspect on the loose. many of them are gun owners themselves. they say they are not scared. they feel prepared to handle anything that might be coming their way. law enforcement are saying that if you think that you see the suspect or you are encountering the suspect, don't approach him. call 9-1-1. let them know. alex? >> absolutely very good advice. let me very quickly ask my director renee, can he put back up the double box? it is a recent photo of francisco which was released by the fbi in houston. i believe it's a photo from

2022. look to the right of your screen. he has a very large, profound tattoo. it's believed to be of a female aztec image there. that is on his left forearm. keep an eye out. this man is dangerous. thank you so much. we are moving to more developing news this hour. it's a showdown over the debt limit which is intensifying on capitol hill. we're inching closer to a possible default. house republicans passed a bill raising the debt ceiling while cutting federal spending. the democratic-controlled senate called it doa. earlier today, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle dip dug into the debate. >> it's been over two months since president biden has sat down with a speaker mccarthy to have negotiations. president biden is clearly trying to run out of the clock and create a debt crisis. >> it is not a budget. it's a ransom note. >> i knew plea for help at the

southern border as a significant deadline looms. dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas calls on congress for support ahead of unexpected migrants surge when covid era restrictions are lifted next month. >> we are seeing a level of migration not just at our southern border but throughout the hemisphere that is unprecedented. it is the greatest migration in our hemisphere since world war ii. the president on day one delivered a solution. he delivered immigration reform legislation that we had hoped congress would act on swiftly. they have not. within the constraints of a broken immigration system, we are doing so much. >> president biden pulled no punchlines at the white house correspondents dinner as his 2024 reelection bid bid dominates the headlines. today, democratic lawmakers made it clear why voters should keep president biden in the white house. >> compare him to the alternative, recognize the

value of experience and seasoning. recognize that his values align better with where we want america to go. joe biden's fifth, capable, and ready to serve another term. >> if you believe in democracy and want to see more people vote, not fewer people, i think the choice is pretty clear. that choice is biden. >> let's go to msnbc's monika alba at the white house for us. monica, welcome. it's been a very busy weekend for president biden. what is next for his campaign? >> that's a great question, alex. we should not expect to see anything that you would traditionally see if it was not a president announcing his reelection when you to launch a major campaign like we saw. we really will expect to see the president continue his normal schedule. he has a very busy may coming up in terms of some international travel heading to japan and australia. it's an important key summit business. we will continue that he will --

the key implementation aspects of some of the legislation of the last couple of years. that will be a strategy that aides say will help the president also hammer home why he is seeking another term. he spoke a little bit about this last night when he was headlining the white house correspondent dinner along with roy wood junior. we fully expected there to be many jokes and roasts as its traditional. where the president really took aim at a major current events and at the media as is expected that these kind of events. take a listen to some of that from last night. a lot of, ways the sums up my first years and office. we our top for ten, minutes take zero questions and cheerfully walk away. call me old for, i call it being seasoned. you say i am ancient, i say i am wise. you say i'm over the hill, don

lemon would say that is a man in his prime. i had a lot of ron desantis jokes ready. but mickey mouse beat the held of me and got there first. i want everybody to open tonight. but please be safe. if you find yourself disoriented or confused, you're either drunk or marjorie taylor grain. >> and all of those last, aside alex, they present and she dedicated a lot of his remarks to the idea and reason for gathering as this event has been taking place over the last many decades which is press freedom. and he specifically highlighted wrongfully detained journalist austin tice and evan gershkovich, currently being held in russia on fake espionage charges as the president and the white house have talked about in detail. both of these man, their families were actually in attendance and i got standing ovations when the president

recognized them and he said, quote, that he was working like health got them both home. focusing again on the overall importance of the first amendment while saying that he still wants to bring any wrongfully detained american around the world, at home. so you can have a lot of laughter and some levity they're mixed in of course with incredibly serious business as well. alex. >> he did that so well actually. at the beginning in the end it was very serious and sobering but you highlighted some of the really comical remarks. i was lapping here in the studio listening to them again. all right, monika, thank you so. much for all of you will be speaking in just a few minutes to somebody very familiar with all of this. current msnbc host and white house press secretary jen psaki joins me in just a moment. we have more breaking news to share and some new storm sweeping across the east coast today. strong thunderstorms are on the way after record rain fell in new york city and newark, new jersey yesterday. the visibility is so bad that this is what it looked like at the top of the rock there. that's right, now that's not

very. good a wall of gray clouds. right, now also, the mid-atlantic is at risk of damaging winds, tornadoes and severe hail. a massive line just moments ago moving off the florida coast. another wild day, there. a tornado tore through palm beach county yesterday with winds topping 100 miles an hour. that twister damaged boats and cars and uprooted trees. fortunately, no reports of any serious injuries. well, something jen psaki told me in 2012, yes, that many years ago, rings true even today. in, fact it is remarkable. you are gonna hear what she said and immediately recognize its relevance. jen joins me next. jen joins me next.

>> i think the response is the president doing his job, and i think that we all see that every day. the very scripts the president works with. i think they answer the mail on his questions about his age.

i just knew my voters asked. they asked in 2020 and decided he was the right person for the job. i think the same thing will happen in 2024. >> former white house chief of staff ron klain's in the last hour discussing concerns around president biden's age during the interview on the new msnbc show, inside with jen psaki. who better to discuss all these 2024 that host and my colleague jen psaki, who previously served as white house press secretary for the biden administration. also with his communications director for the obama administration. we go way, back delegates that in just a second, jen. >> i was just talking about, that alex. it's great to see you too. >> it is so good to have you here. let me ask you to give your best argument for those who are pointing to the presidents age and questioning his ability to execute his job over the coming years. >> he is. a.d. he is the oldest president right now that there has been in history. but here are a few other facts. people care but a lot of things in this country.

and ultimately, when they go to the voting booths the white house is betting on this, are they going to vote on his age or are they going to vote on the fact that he is somebody who wants to protect voting, rights do something on climate change, make sure you have lower cost of health, care it's ahtra. the other, fact, alex is that donald trump is the current front runner for the republican nomination, he is 70. six basically, he was a freshman in college when joe biden was a senior. or something like that. so if he is the nominee, it does not seem like it is going to be an easy argument for the republicans to make. >> very good point. just to add an exclamation point to that i believe that when donald trump would be nominated where he too when he would be older than joe biden was when he was inaugurated. so think about it. really, folks? there is a lot of issues there but age is one of them. do democrats believe that president biden is the singular candidate who could beat donald trump? >> do democrats across the

country? that is an interesting question. i'm not sure what the latest nbc polling says on that. the fact is it does not look at this point alex like there is going to be a significant primary. so democrats are coalescing behind president biden. in part i think many know that being an incumbent president is an inherent advantage. so there is that. and also, a lot of democrats like all of the things he has done. i think the challenge for the white house right now and the campaign, which they're well aware of, is a need to excite. voters they need to excite young people. they need to excite people who are less likely voters. and i know that is on their minds but that is going to be one of their primary focuses. drawing that contrast to making it clear that it is a choice and also exciting and engaging people about the stakes. . >> along the same lines jan, is trump actually the ideal candidate for democrats? because of the countless negatives that he carries? or is there a be careful what

you wish for aspect to this? >> i think there is a little bit of that latter part, alex. look, it is hard to navigate out the ideal opponents. a lot of people and of course already in the country knows donald trump. they have a view. it is a little bit remarkable that he has been impeached twice and indicted and he still has a base of support in the republican party. and he does have this version of a charisma about him. so i think that democrats would be -- and maybe he doesn't like donald trump would be wrong to underestimate him. and that would be the one warning i wait make. ron desantis, on paper, governor desantis seems like he would be a harder candidate. he is younger, he won in florida. but he is not really shown that he has an exact strategy in the primary. so at this point, it is really hard to calculate. but i would not underestimate donald trump. >> i think it is very good advice right there. in president biden's reelection announcement video he emphasize the word freedom.

let's take a listen for everyone. >> joe biden has made defending his basic freedoms the cause of our democracy. they freedom for women to make their own health care decisions, the freedom for our children to be safe from gun violence. they freedom to vote and have your vote counted. >> in fact, freedom was used six times in the nine second campaign ad. did that, word jen, test well in polling in focus groups? the gop as you know as long try to claim that word. the concept, the philosophy. is the culture change in, given republican efforts to prevent women from controlling their own bodies, or giving schoolkids the option to read any number of books? >> i obviously don't have access to their internal polling in the white house, but my bet is yes, alex. freedom is clearly a worry that they are trying to get into the minds of voters. across the country. as to something the president is defending. and writes, personal rights,

personal freedoms. that is what you heard again and again in that video. so it will i would bet to be a very central arguments, especially on issues like abortion rights. yes roe was overturned a year ago but there is going to be this fight over mifepristone which could be in front of the supreme court. next year, right ahead of the presidential campaign. and so i would not be surprised if you hear from the president's campaign in from the president this same arguments about protection of freedom of the use of freedom. trying to talk to the little a little bit from the republican party. >> here we're gonna take a trip down memory name lane, jen. this is more than 11 years ago. this is not just gratuitous -- material. >> you look the? say it is a question. >> guilty started in. see >> it was st. patrick's day 2012. take a look. >> jen, first up out of all the gop candidates, with would you like to sit and have a green beer? >> i take st. patrick's day pretty seriously as you can

tell by migraine. >> i want to. >> if i were to cheat i think that spending a day with vice president biden on st. patrick's day in his home state would be a pretty good time. >> i mean, can you believe that answer? you said vice president biden? >> one it shows how long you and i have known each other. we do look kind of the same. but second i think it is also true the node i've worked for president biden for over a year, while he does not drink, he is somebody who i think would be fun to spend a day with around st. patrick's day. he takes his irish roots very seriously. >> absolutely. we are taking you very seriously as a, friend a colleague. all your incredible accomplishments. we are so happy to have you on as part of our team. thanks so much. >> great to see you. thanks so much alex. >> we invite all of you to watch inside with jen psaki every sunday at noon eastern here on msnbc. in the meantime, there is not been coming peacemaker and

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nbc news confirms a u.s. navy ship has arrived in port sudan today to help evacuate americans. let's go right to nbc's josh norman who is joining us from tel aviv. all, right josh. what is the latest on this about the ship evacuating americans and how it is all

going? >> well, alex. the white house in the united states government has been working for days now to try to figure out the safest way to get americans out of the country. to facilitate that evacuation effort. now that there are no u.s. government personnel believed to be in sudan. because remember, the u.s. has already evacuated its embassy. i just spoke to a u.s. official who confirmed a navy ship, the u.s. and asked brunswick, has now arrived in the port of sudan. this is a fast transport vessel that is run by the u.s. navy. it's more than 300 feet long and has been used in the past to respond to humanitarians disasters and do relief efforts to understand all kinds of horrible events around the world. it is well equipped for a potential evacuation effort and we do not yet know whether this ship is going to simply be aiding the efforts there or whether it will actually be carrying americans out of sudan. i'm told we are likely that

some of those americans who have arrived in port sudan from that convoy that was organized by the u.s. government yesterday may board that ship to be brought to saudi arabia or elsewhere as they leave the country. that convoy that arrived in port sudan more than a dozen buses and hundreds of americans with armed u.s. drones flying over it to make sure that it was a protected given the fact that there are no troops that were able to actually accompany those americans on that harrowing journey of more than 500 miles from the capital of khartoum to port sudan. along the red coast. in the, meantime we are also hearing from the rapid support forces that pelham paramilitary group alex it has been fighting with the military in sudan for more than a week now. they say that that truce it had been going on for several days has been extended for another 72 hours. beginning tonight at midnight. we have not yet heard the military confirm that. so there is a lot of anxiety over whether that cease-fire will really hold, alex.

>> absolutely. let's get those americans to safety and then we are going to have a hell of a story to tell. thank you so, much appreciate. that witness to history what mike pence told the grand jury this week and the holes his testimony could fill. uld fill ng) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good! ♪ what will you do? will you make something better?

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and mortgages. it with our country into recession and hurt us globally. >> we passed a bill to address the problem. it's time now for the president to get in this game and get off the sidelines and start negotiating in figuring this out not in june when we get to the midnight hour but today. >> debate is growing in washington as a standoff is building over how to avoid defaulting on death. democrats and republicans are at odds over how to raise the debt ceiling after republicans passed a bill that would simultaneously slash that are all spending. senate democrats are making clear that that bill stands zero chance of passing. joining me now is pennsylvania congresswoman madeleine dean, democratic member of the house judiciary and foreign affairs committees. welcome, it's always good to see you my friend. tell me what happens next. because the president has said he is not going to negotiate a debt ceiling with republicans. that is sitting down and talking the only viable path forward? >> good to be with, you alex. you saw with a bill that was

passed by republicans this week in the house, what they call that ceiling bill. that was really a default on the america bill. that is what i think is so extraordinarily dangerous. we know in our own households that when we incur that we can't just sit back and say, i don't feel like paying the rent this month i don't feel like paying the car payments. i don't feel like paying for these utilities. what would happen to us? number one, all those things would be taken away from us and our credit rating would tumble terribly. raising the cost of borrowing money. it is irresponsible and malpractice of mr. mccarthy and his conference to get anywhere near default on our debt. these are all over the incurred that's. so it surely negotiations will have to take place. but really what mr. mccarthy and his conference needs to do is come up with a budget. because what he passed which we will never pass in the senate, it is dead on the rival over

there and of course whenever we signed in by this president, what a harm our economy in dramatic ways. hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost. interest on their debt would increase. risking the whole thing and kind of this country, it is so irresponsible. >> may i get from you just a singular number on a scale of 1 to 10? ten being most, likely what do you think the chances are that the u.s. actually defaults? >> i would not play that game if you don't mind. it is so very dangerous. it could happen by accident. if we keep playing with this. and let's remember that under the former president, without any fanfare, we raise the debt ceiling three times. this is an absolutely dangerous game that mr. mccarthy and his colleagues are playing. >> duly noted. let's move to former vice president mike pence who as you know testified before the federal grand jury that was convened as part of the special counsel's investigation. in two former presidents

efforts to overturn the 2020 elections. you were an impeachment manager in trump's second senate trials. so how significant are the gaps that mike pence could be filling in for the case? >> i think they are critical. absolutely critical. what was the president doing in the summer before the election? to set up for a loss and how he would try to overturn a loss? what was he doing in the run up to the election? what did he do i want conversations and planning did he attempt to have with vice president pence. we did learn some details for mr. pence himself. obviously he published a book about his vice presidency. and did speak to some of the details around it. we also learned incredible unimportant it details about the phone call earlier in the day on january the 6th. which were between the president and the vice president. about how ugly and nasty it was that the president insisting that he was a wimp and other things. but he would be hated by

billions for being too honest. i can't nastier and nastier got. i contrast that with the fact that what we all know for mr. pence and others is that nowhere in the hours along attack on the capitol, specifically an attempt and its hack on the vice president, do the president ever picked up the phone again to say how are you doing my friend? >> yeah. i'm with a pack allotted to my final question here. china's xi jinping told ukrainian president zelenskyy that he wants to send a peace envoy to ukraine and other nations, to act as a mediator. it follows his meeting with putin as well as brokering a diplomatic deal between iran and saudi arabia. it feels like this type of global leadership used to be the role of the united states. are there concerns that the u.s. is being diminished on the world stage? should the u.s. be taking the lead a negotiating peace between russia and ukraine?

does the lead negotiator necessarily mean a difference in the final details of a peace deal? >> i thank you for that question. i would argue that the united states is taking a look at the 50 nations who have come alongside us in other support for ukraine. whether it is military help or humanitarian help or economic help. i would say that we are the lead. zelenskyy himself said that he welcomed the conversation with chairman xi. and apparently it was a good conversation, about hour long. strangely from the readout that came from china's side, nowhere was the word war or russia used. the words were -- but what came from mr. zelenskyy's side was not what he set is peace must be just and sustainable and obviously protection of the 1991 sovereign borders of ukraine.

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today says justice department prosecutors are stepping up their inquiry into donald trump fundraising. looking into potential wire fraud violations. with trump's allies raised 200 and $50 million from scott small donors? much of it before the january 6th stop the steal rallies. this fourth election defense fund with no evidence to block backup claims election had stolen. it's one of many aspects of -- of the sierra. joining me now to discuss, charles pullman former brooklyn prosecutor and civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst and host of the charles coleman podcast. welcome, charles, on this sunday. first, is wire fraud easier to prove than other infractions under investigation? what kind of elements where jack smith needs to prove a wired fraud case here? the case here is that if trump were told he lost the election, attorney general bill barr comes to mind, would that factor into this?

>> absolutely it is a very straightforward charge. and i think jack smith halves in this and the mar-a-lago documents case a pretty straightforward path to a prosecution. i think that when you are talking about the wire fraught case it may not seem like the sexiest of all the things that trump is being investigated or by a terms of what is a surefire bet. doj and -- we'll be looking. it is all you establish is that they've been advised the loss election and if there wasn't evidence of any sort of wrongdoing or voter fraud and yet they continue to -- the getting funds for any other reason. that's an important thing to understand up terms of why jack smith is involved in any of this. >> another recent. part he was on the january six committee says that some of

those funds raised were -- let's watch. >> the select committee discovered the save america pact is -- hunches dollars or contribution in turn including 1 million dollar to chief of staff mark meadows charitable foundation. $1 million -- a conservative organization which employs several former trump administration officials. $204,857 to the trump hotel collective and over $5 million to the company in the january 6th rally. >> that's pretty extraordinary, trials. does a matter of these entities can prove that they actually spend money on investigating election fraud? >> it, does to some, extent alex. what people need to understand is the sheer volume, the amount of money we are talking. about we are not talking about tens of thousands of dollars. we are literally talking about

high six figures, high seven figure amount of dollars that were generated from this sort of grifting of the american people. i think it is also going to play a factor in terms of understanding the intent. when you don't generate this type of money overnight and you don't generated by being honest about why it is you are doing and then turning around and spending that money elsewhere. even as his other entities may be able to establish that somehow some of this money was spent on election denial, it is very clear that donald trump had information that he continue to push this narrative for the sake of fundraising, and a large part of these funds go to other institutes. >> extraordinary lay there for the new york times. let me quickly switch gears a little before we let you go. we know that eugene carroll returns to the witness stand in federal court has to answer even more questions from trump's lawyer joe tacopina about her allegations that -- a department store in the 1990s. allegation that trump repeatedly denied.

who do you think is gonna better the exchanges so far? >> you have to realize what it looks like to a journey for her to attack the witnesses aggressively as he's doing. i know that's his job to defend his client, donald. trump but i think it will go well for the vote or even as there are things that you cannot recall as a witness. i don't necessarily know that they are tracking two landowner with respect to inconsistencies or not remembering, really landing on what is going to actually persuade you that the story does not add up. she is a witness is getting the best of him as an attorney, when it comes to this cross-examination. >> okay. i think of an answer. the entire conversation, my friend, charles coleman, appreciate it. the hotly could come back to haunt the former president. that is next. that is next shake 'n feed. that's it. miracle-gro.

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destructive. and seasoned del percio, republican strategist as well as david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. welcome all three of you. brittani, you first hear. how much could frustrations over these issues factor into 2024. what do you mean -- what can the president say to voters to help them for the four years. >> the slogan of the biden administration has been to allow him to finish the job. we know that given how much was broken under the trump presidency that was always going to take more than one term and more than one democratic administration to fix what was broken. if i think it is fair that voters of all backgrounds demands that those promises are kept. that is of course the democratic exchange. i think that black americans are very clear that republicans are not going to move on the things that we want to be moved on. and i think that simultaneously black voters will use their power to ensure that democrats will move on those things. i think it is up to this

administration and the campaign to continue to make investments early and often. i have some friends who got those student loan relief emails just the other day. and i know how much excitement around that. it is going to be important to continue those investments to make sure to keep that energy and excitement up. and not just to talk about the other side will do, but what democrats will. >> good point,. they're susan, you are. next because the times says the vast majority black voters will choose biden over a republican. but, it says that the question for the party is whether democratic voters will bring the same level of energy that led to biden's 2020 victory. i know that susan you wouldn't focus groups and polls. is complacency and saying public considered at this point? >> it should be. when you look at the elections of 2022, in new york and florida the turnout was abysmal for the democrats. that's why the race for governor of new york was close, it was six points. turnout was decent for republicans and horrible for

democrats. in florida in 2018, the turnout was 61%. in 2022, 53%. 900,000 fewer votes cast on the democratic line for governor. that is a big problem for the democrats. yes, i believe that they will come out and vote for joe biden. people need a reason to get up and do it. the best thing that joe biden has going for him is that right now it looks like he will be running against donald trump. who has been proven to be a huge motivator. >> yeah. biden's reelection bid is putting a lot of focus, new focus on, fact on vice president kamala harris. there is a new york times op-ed that says that people will be asked to vote as much for biden's vice president as for him. maybe more than any other election in american history. republicans are now sharpening their attacks against harris, trying to make the election as much about her. by the brittany, how do you see these attacks? are they underestimating the

vice president? >> i absolutely think they are underestimating the vice president. if i can paraphrase what i would last name from the correspondents dinner, nobody really cares that much about what the vice president was doing until a woman, and dare i say a woman of color, a black and south asian woman, got the job. i actually think that kamala harris has been recognizing that she is going to be a targeted the republicans for a long time. so she is targeting their messages as well. reminding the american people -- that despite their rhetoric they're actually against the expansion of freedom of democracy and liberty. she is talking about this when she was talking about abortion. she spoke about that. they are talking about the gop's efforts to continue to ban historians and care for queer children. these are actually directly opposed to the things that they espoused. freedom is not actually held tightly by the republicans. we should take that idea as

democrats. and i think that she's going to continue to focus on the message. i believe a lot of people are going to hear as well. >> david, listening to -- make some really good points. when we look at the prior administration, i am hard-pressed to think of some mike pence specific accomplishments. are these talks on harris misguided? are they wrong? could they end up backfiring? >> i think it depends on the audience. very importantly, the vice president is an impossible situation. she is not the top of the ticket. you can't get out ahead of biden to prove iran. credentials. yet those who see an advantage in -- will do. so what i mean by it pennsylvanians is brittani's exactly. right in terms of protecting democracy for all people, but his message. around there are a repeal of jobs and the restriction of abortion laws across the united states, she is a voice they can mobilize a coalition that we saw in 2020 in 2022, stop the democrats about four republicans. if you are simply running a republican campaign, the one

nexus when the vice president to mobilize issues on the border. very early. on joe biden, kamala harris, tasked with responsibility over the border. that is an issue that whether sold or, not republicans will always tell you it is. not they will always fearmonger around. there's so many of the vice president and failed border policy, that is manna from heaven for republican voters. we will expect to see the republican party in republican on many use that in november 24. >> let's switch gears and talk about former president trump, who praised and how they woman who served prison time for her actions during the capitol attack. everyone, take a look. >> [inaudible] >> that woman told nbc that she thinks members of congress who voted to certify biden's presidential election should be executed. what, susan, is donald trump

doing? >> he is happy with anyone who supports. when we say that all through the last six years. if somebody says they support donald trump and donald trump loves them. what is interesting is how many things can we keep track of about donald trump? it will be interesting to see how biden waits to use all of this. for example, in this last hour we have talked about how donald trump is facing mail fraud. how he is being indicted in new york for hush scandals. hush payments. how we his right, now in, new york attorney in new york, defending rape charges civilly. this is how much to process. it will be interesting to see how it is broken down and years. because in itself it is almost like not worth having the political conversation among the candidates or the campaigns. >> yeah. dave, it might this be a case of donald trump knowing exactly

who his audience is? but at the same time turning up a lot of the independence that he would need to win another white house bid? >> this is a contrast between the republican primary and a general election. listen, in the republican primary what is donald trump doing? he is winning. he is not trying away from the january six issues. in fact, he is making the current aggressors the victims. and republicans are believing it. almost 30 points overall decided. through the january six events are either looked over by republicans or questioned as a big deep state conspiracy now. they will not be an act of patriotism by the time we get to november 24. interrupt looking parlance. but it is a turn off for june election voters, the coalition which continues to say the democracy is more important than ideology into their for that biden and democrats the might very well win this and embrace the events of january 26. when the nomination. it's likely a handicap and a loss for them in the general

election. >> quick. brittani, last word to, you seeing this in a democratic campaign ad? >> i certainly hope that the democrats are -- dozier was drawn for the persecuted party. we need to be reminded that we took advantage of him and he should never ever hold it office again. >> brittani, susan, david, good to see you. that is going to do it for me on this edition about what reports. we will see you again next saturday, bright and early for the coronation of king charles. our coverage begins at 5 am eastern. yasmin vivian continues our coverage right after this. verage right after this. hey, everybody, good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian. he could be anywhere. those chilling words from texas authorities as they search for the man charged with killing fi