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politicsnation. tonight's lead, the after party. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right now, i'm back in new york after attending last night's white house correspondents dinner in washington. which may end up being a rare moment of levity in the next political year, because with president joe biden officially running for reelection and donald trump likely general election opponent, at least for now, an epic political battle lies ahead, leading up to november of 2024.

biden cutting and confidence in last night's dinner must now reengage voters, many of whom appear to lack confidence in his candidacy, specifically black voters, who say the kind of post racial america promoted by the administration is increasingly out of reach, according to nbc news polling. can biden make the sale to finish the job? former obama press secretary robert gibbs joins me with his analysis of where the 2024 campaign already stands. and we have got some church on this politics nation sunday. mr. t.d. jakes joins me later in the show to talk faith, financial empowerment, and his new initiative to pump a billion dollars of economic growth into black communities. you don't want to miss it.

also tonight, right now, law enforcement officers are going door to door searching for clues about a gunman who fled after killing five people in a rural texas town. the shooting occurred friday after his neighbors asked him to stop firing off around in his yard. and the alleged shooter was considered armed and dangerous after fleeing the area. officials are offering $80,000 in total reward money in hopes of motivating someone to come forward with information about the suspect's whereabouts. we will keep you updated with developments throughout the hour. but we start with politics. joining me now is congressman kweisi mfume, democrat of maryland. congressman, president biden has attributed much of his success in 2022 black voters. principle of his administration.

despite that, the new york times is reporting this weekend that many black voters are frustrated with the president ahead of 2024 and what is a perceived as a lack of progress on issues where the president promised results that have yet to materialize. added to that, a recent nbc news national poll finds nearly eight in ten black adults think american society is racist. just 40% of americans believe there is a nation where people are judged by their character rather than their skin color. what does the president, and how does the president, i will put it that way, how does he begin to repair that disaffection among black voters if he's going to win in 18 months? >> well, first, thank you,

reverend sharpton, for allowing me to participate. even more so, think you for your efforts over many many years, countless efforts to undo some of the things we are still dealing with today. i think the nbc poll you referenced about more people feeling that in this country americans tend to judge more and increasingly so by the color of ones skin as opposed to the content of your character is concerning, but it is not shocking. when people, through social media, electronic media, and other means, see over and over and over again acts of violence perpetrated against black people that clearly, in their minds, in the minds of many others, are all registered around race, never trying to figure out what the content of one's character was. people take those sorts of beliefs. what do you say to folks who

watch an 84-year-old man open his door because there is a guy out there ringing the bell and he sees it's a black eye and he just opens up and shoots him and walks out and shoots him again? this kid was just trying to -- went to the wrong house. what do you say when people are still haunted by the memory of george floyd and other instances like that where clearly, if he were white, and no one would have held him down for all those many minutes, allowing him to suffocate at someone's knee. what if people say when they see instance after instance of these so-called karen's walking through neighborhoods and telling people that they don't belong there and that's another car and get out of here or i'm going to call the police? not because of the content of their character, but because they were seen to be black people, as they were and are. people take that in. they become less optimistic, in many respects. the we need to reverse it, absolutely. and the reversing of it will be a lot more difficult. >> the flip side of that is the

president, in order to make -- needs legislation. he can sign and a run on it. house republicans are in the majority actively blocking that legislation. still, what can your caucus do to help president biden make sure his reelection pitch to black voters, and where should democrats focus legislatively in the next year to make that happen? because in many ways, i don't know if the message is getting through that more would be done if they were not blocked. >> yeah. it's an astute observation. it really goes to the heart of numbers. because republicans control numerically the house, and they've got their own agenda, which puts members of the democratic party in a position of stopping bad legislation. a couple years ago, or over the last two years, we saw a lot of good things come through the house that the president and his administration either offered or worked with.

we saw a great deal of progress. we are seeing just the opposite now, an effort to rollback things. that's why you saw this past week this republican budget proposal put forward, instead of dealing with the debt limit as we should, we all believe america ought to pay its debts like we all do. the full faith and credit of the government is at stake. yet, the republican party does not want to do that. they want to make further cuts into snap programs, medicaid, medicare. they want to eliminate funding for student loans. just a number of horrific matters that have nothing to do with governing. but rather as if they've got a vendetta they want to unleash because they've been in the minority for so long. we've got to stand up against that. people need to talk about it, be honest about it. on the issue of joe biden, has he delivered everything under the sun? no. no president ever does. but he has done more to advance the agenda that most african americans consider a part of

their agenda than any other president. and when we talk about the number of appointments of black judges who will preside over communities where people of color are, including the supreme court justice ketanji brown, when we also think about and look at the number of dollars of not hbcus, when we consider the anti-poverty efforts on the ground and -- getting through the pandemic -- credit is -- about to lose -- and this president and this -- in terms of giving everybody -- made an effort is real -- [inaudible] in the office -- any of that -- >> despite democrat efforts to

rebuild -- [inaudible] -- we are approaching what many analysts say is the june deadline to raise the debt limit, economists warning that disaster could ensue if we default, assuming republicans don't budge. how do democrats and the president proceed in this picture? >> they proceed by telling people what the absolute truth of this is. if those proposals and that were put forth by the republicans actually go into effect, it's not me, and it's not the president, but it's rather the congressional budget

office saying they're going to have dire consequences, the stock market, in all likelihood, will fall significantly. countries around the world will withdraw, additional funds to this country because they believe we will not pay our debts. there will be created a lot of chaos economically across the nation. when the debt limit has been raised over 40 times by both democratic and republican administrations, and yet in this instance republicans are rather excited, i should say, on hearings to talk about hunter biden's laptop, or talk about who got across the border, or to talk about why covid was not handled correctly. those kind of investigations stall progress, they keep us from doing what we were all elected to do. that is to find a way to provide good governance to take care of situations. in this instance, to make sure the faith and full credit of the united states does not go into default. >> let me ask you this,

finally. we are out of time. but i want to ask you about -- you recently renamed a bill you introduced earlier this year to strengthen the witness protection programs at state, local, and tribal levels. understand the renaming has its roots in the tragedy in your baltimore district. one, you are trying to prevent with this bill. what can you tell us about the legislation and the baltimore family for which it has been renamed? >> yeah, thank you so much for asking. we are all in communities dealing with the issue of crime. it has gotten out of control, no matter where we live in this society. it has affected people in ways we could've never envisioned before. one of the things that is the biggest impediment to getting bad people off the street is to find a way to get a conviction when people will not come forward. we say it to people all the time. if you see something, say something. those who are prepared to come forward, i think, ought to be protected. this is a witness protection

piece of legislation that, for the next five years, will provide significant dollars to places all over the country where there are in fact and is in fact a need to protect witnesses. here in the city of baltimore, this stops nudging culture got started 20 years ago when in 2000 to a woman by the name of the angela dawson saw a crime take place. drug dealers were all over her neighborhood. she was prepared to come forward and testify in open court. the people who were complicit, the drug dealers, decided that would not happen. late at night, someone kicked in her door, threw firebombs in, killed angela dawson, killed her husband and all five of those children, just to send a real point that they were not going to allow it to take place. we have got to push back

against that stop snitching foolishness. protect our communities, protect people who want to come forward and our witnesses, and do it in a real and lasting way. otherwise, we might as well throw up our hands and elect the drug dealers and the bad guys let whatever they want to do. >> as i travel around talking to a lot of young people, both in national action and around, you've got to really define what is snitching. if i am your victim, i'm not snitching on you. if i'm your partner in crime and i get caught and i'm telling you that is snitching. but they've now tried to act like snitching is somebody that, if i am your victim i'm protecting myself, i'm not your snitch. i'm your victim. >> right. >> we've really got to deal with how this has criminalized many of our communities. thank you, congressman kweisi mfume. joining me now, former obama white house press secretary robert gibbs. robert, thank you for joining us tonight.

specifically, we are at the top of president biden's first full week of campaigning for reelection. i don't have to tell you that he is looking at an electorate that is conflicted, among other things, about his age, fitness to lead as our oldest president in -- he leland and to these questions with humor at last night's white house correspondents dinner. take a listen. >> after all, i believe in the first amendment, not just because my good friend jimmy madison wrote it -- [laughter] call me old? i call it being seasoned. you say i'm ancient. i say i am wise. >> robin, how does the president handle those questions abou on a campaign trail in the debate stage? >> reverend, i think you saw a

little bit of a preview of that. he will deal with it a bit with some humor and disengage it. we remember the reagan mondale debate where ronald reagan used that pretty effectively in humor. i think the president will also go to the american people and talk about what he has done. talk about the manufacturing jobs that are coming back. talk about bringing down health care costs. making insulin more affordable. all of the things this administration has done to paint the picture of a vigorous, engaged president. that's why, frankly, impacting peoples lives by getting stuff done. i think that duality of messages exactly what you will hear a lot of over the course of the next 18 months. >> even as i hear the pollsters saying black voters are disaffected, in many ways, you know, you went through that in the obama years. i had a very good access to

president obama and all of you. we had to deal with blacks and then and sell what was going on. this is nothing new. in terms of electoral strategies, robin, what do you expect the -- and the current gop front runner, donald trump, to also look like? how do you expect each side to energize and their bases and then pivot to general election voters? >> great question. i think you've got a couple of things that will be at play here. the first thing you mentioned, look, i think every administration struggles with this. and that is completely and effectively communicating everything you have done and making sure people hear it. quite frankly, campaigns are really effective at doing that with the voters you try to reach because they are spending, quite frankly, billions of dollars trying to do that. i think the beginning of this

campaign, for president biden, is going to be to make sure that his accomplishments are in front of black voters, hispanic voters, younger voters, female voters. all the part of the coalition he needs to rally. i think it's going to be tremendously important. i think his numbers were also getting stronger as we get closer to the election because of the adage that joe biden likes, which is don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. we've seen in elections whether bill clinton or barack obama, even to some degree donald trump in 2020, his numbers, your numbers get stronger with the people that support you because they are comparing you, finally, to somebody who might be your alternative. i think the president is in a strong position. i think we saw it coming out of the 2022 election. i think there is a good issue advantage that democrats have. i think the one thing we've got to be careful of, i think this will be an extraordinarily close election again.

i think the communities the president has to talk to and democrats have to talk to have to be talked to now and early. as you well know, you can't go to these communities six weeks out or ten weeks out. you've got 18 plus months. you've got about that message in front of them each and every day for 18 months. >> we are out of time. i must ask you this. are you expecting the 2024 electorate to be much different from 2020? will the battleground states remain the same, and what groups of voters are you most concerned about, rob? >> i think the states will be all the same, reverend. we are talking about wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, arizona, nevada, throw in places like north carolina and new hampshire, potentially. remember, in both maine and in nebraska, you've got places that can award single electoral vote. i think the battlegrounds are all the same. i think the groups are going to

be important. younger voters, obviously black voters. a lot of the states i just mentioned that our swing votes are going to have big, big black votes in places like detroit, milwaukee, philadelphia that have to get out for democrats. i think hispanic voters we have seen have been a challenging electorate for, quite frankly, for both sides. i think there is a big, big thing that's going to get a lot of messaging towards swing voters. you will hear a lot about roe v. wade and choice in those suburban districts. >> robert gibbs, thank you for being with us. coming up, republican attacks on president biden's age are getting old. i will explain why in this week's gotcha. first, my colleague richard lui with today's other top news stories. richard? >> rev, a very good sunday to. you stories watching for you this hour, police in cleveland, taxis are warning the man suspected of fatally shooting five of his neighbors could be anywhere as a massive manhunt

is underway. the suspect, 38-year-old francisco -- allegedly opened fire with an ar-15 friday night after he was asked to stop shooting in his yard. these are new photos of him released by authorities, including one of a tattoo on his left forearm. the county sheriff says they seized the era 15 used in the attack, but the suspect may still have a handgun. -- at this hour, u.s. regulators getting takeover bids for first republican bank. jp morgan and pnc are likely bidders for the -- tornado touched down in palm beach -- powerful storm system brought tense rain and powerful winds to the state, overturning cars and damaging homes. the national weather service in miami confirmed it was an ef2 with winds peaking at 130 miles an hour. more politics nation with reverend al sharpton right after this break. is break he's smiling because fedex is growing it's fleet of electric vehicles. and these, are the camper scouts. earning their eco badge.

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launched his reelection bid last week, and many republicans were quick to attack him over his age. take a listen to former south carolina governor nikki haley. >> i think we can all be very clear and say with a matter of fact that if you vote for joe biden, you really are counting on a president -- harris. the idea that he will make it until 86 years old is not something i think is likely. >> haley was rightfully criticized for the callousness of her comment and is not the first time she's over played the age card. haley's call for cabinets over 75 to be subjected to mandatory competency tests also landed with a thud. maybe that is because the most likely gop nominee isn't 51-year-old hailey, it's donald trump, who at 76 is just four

years younger than biden. republicans jumped all over president biden when he fell off his bike. but they are strangely silent when their guy struggles to walk down a ramp, or brags his main form of exercise is golf. the truth is while american voters can sometimes fall in love with youthful candidates such as john kennedy or barack obama, and they also don't like to see age and wisdom disrespected. republican hero ronald reagan understood this. in 1984, he was also the oldest president ever to run for reelection. reagan sealed the deal with this line at the final debate. >> mr. true it, i want you to know that also i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponents youth and inexperience.

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republican strategist noelle nikpour. thank you both for joining me today. let's start with last night's white house correspondents dinner. president biden opened with calling on the return for the american citizens being held captive abroad, specifically evan gershkovich, also tyson and paul whelan. he also celebrated the return -- of britney griner. take a listen. >> journalism is not a crime. evan austin should be released immediately, along with every american held hostage being wrongfully detained abroad. at this time last year, we were praying for you, brittani, hoping you know how hard all of us were fighting for your release. it's great to have you home. >> no well, what are your

thoughts about president biden's performance last night? >> i thought it was right on. whether you like president biden or whether you don't like president biden, what he stated was the truth. number one, we are very happy to get brittney griner -- britney griner back, an american basketball player. she spent ten months in a russian prison, how horrible. the other thing he touched upon is what journalism actually is. it's reporting the facts. it should be free. you should be able to have freedom in bringing those facts to everybody in the world. the fact that president biden pretty much stood up and said, let's fight for freedom and that's what journalism is at the white house correspondents dinner, which is about journalism, that is fantastic. so i commend him. whether you like him, whether you don't, it was right on message. >> i also enjoyed listening to roy wood junior, who seemingly spared no one in his roast.

take a listen to what he had to say about the current and former vice president. >> but i think the most insulting scandal to fall to the feet of the biden administration was placed at the feet of our madam vice president. the scandal of what does kamala do? [laughter] which is a disrespectful question. that's a district level question because nobody ever asked that question of the vice president until a woman got the job. [applause] i don't know what mike pence. the only thing i know about mike pence's he's really good at playing hide and seek at the capitol. >> atima, does he have a point there about vice president harris? >> absolutely. i thought i would comment, very spot, and because of the entire history of american politics in which the vice president role has happened, no one has ever gotten up and wondered, what is

the vice president doing at 3 am? as a matter of fact, i'm not even sure most americans can name most vice presidents who served in our u.s. history, unless they went on to become president of the united states, like joe biden. now we are asking a question. what does the vice president do? what is kamala harris -- what makes kamala harris different from all her predecessors? 40 something odd white dudes compared to her, one of these kids is not like the other. that goes to highlight a lot of what it is the double standard for women in politics, especially women of color. and that is the point he was trying to highlight. when you are, especially black women, people are going to, no matter how excellent you, our question, demean, undermine, and still say you could be doing more, even when you are excellence personified. i thought that was a great point he made last night in a humorous way. >> now switching gears. this morning on fox news sunday, rnc chair ronna mcdaniel said

republican candidates will have to address abortion, quote, head on in 2024. a recent nbc news poll found 58% of americans believe abortion should be legal all or most of the time. noelle, what does addressing abortion, quote, head on, look for republicans? many of whom have pushed for abortion bans as early as six weeks in states like florida and texas. >> reverend al, it's going to be very interesting going forward because rana mcdaniels did not have a stellar record with some of the races that were lost under her watch. going forward, she is now encouraging candidates to go full force with the antiabortion, which is on the republican platform, by the way. but you've got to be considerate as some of these

states that don't embrace that. also, elections, many times, come down to women, especially women in the suburbs. when you deal with an issue such as abortion, many women have an opinion of that. a lot of women don't go and tow the party line. they may be republicans, but they don't agree with the social issues on the platform. the republican party is going to be faced with the same predicament they were in the last time if we find abortion at the forefront of the election by the time we get to 2024 election. >> atima, i want to get your take on comments from supreme court justice samuel alito. alito in a wide ranging interview with the wall street journal complained about what he called efforts to intimidate the court. he claimed he knows the identity of the person who leaked the draft of the dobbs decision last year. and the defiant remarks come at

a time when the court is facing a crisis of legitimacy. not only to the overturning of roe v. wade, but also reports of undisclosed gifts and payments made to justices and their families. are these comments helping or should the court be trying to repair its relationship with the american people? >> i mean, i think justice alito's comments don't help at any point. he seems to be in his feelings a lot about people questioning his rulings, let alone what his fellow jurist's on the bench think. here is the thing. when you are an unelected body of jurist's who make decisions affecting millions of americans, people are going to have questions about impartiality, opinions, court ethics should not be -- should be mutually exclusive, i think, from the dobbs opinion or any other opinion.

when you do have questions about who gets to get before the supreme court justice or any judge, for that matter, on the lower bench, but who also has a business before the court, people who are affected by the laws and rulings they make should have questions about that. they have the right to question that. no, i don't think he is helping the case that -- a temper tantrum in the wall street journal. >> all right atima omara and noelle nikpour, thank you both for being with me. coming up, mr. t.d. jakes joins me to talk about a new effort to link wall street and main street in order to build black wealth across the country. ♪ ♪ ♪ ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst)

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fargo and the t.d. jakes group announced a new partnership to drive economic growth and inclusivity in communities in need across america. over the next ten years, the partnership could result in up to $1 million in capital that will revitalize and neighborhoods, foster economic opportunity, and create long term change in communities most in need. here to explain more is the man himself.

bishop t.d. jakes, chairman and ceo of the t.d. jakes group and senior pastor of the -- house. bishop jake's, welcome to the show again. please expand on this new initiative and especially tell us about the economic justice, food deserts, affordable housing, closing the digital divide. how will it help in those areas? i'm excited about your being excited about this. >> i'm very excited about it. first of all, reverend sharpton, thank you for having me. it's a delight to be with you again. i'm particularly excited about this because our community has so many -- as it relates to opportunities. it's been projected that over the next 25 years, about 68 trillion dollars worth of wealth will pass from one generation to the next. however, it's also been projected that largely the

biggest part of that 60 trillion dollars will not hit the black community. the reason that is is because 42%, 42% of black's own their own home compared to 74%, around 74%, of other groups of the general populist own their own homes. consequently, the aggregation of wealth does not pass from generation to generation. every generation is starting over again. not to mention what you talked about, the list of food deserts, the poor quality of schools, the ability we have to do mixed income housing, which will encompass affordable housing as well as workforce housing, so that you don't have to live outside the city you work in in order to service or work in the city that you live in. >> yeah, that's an important aspect. as you know, there have been some questions about wells fargo. they've made certain entries,

entrées into the community. to get into partnership with t.d. jakes, for me, that makes it credible. you wouldn't put your name in anything that was not credible and that you had not checked four times and then the fifth time for good measure. in your press release, you state that you were primarily focused on increasing homeownership, fostering business creation in atlanta, chicago, and dallas. why there? why those cities? >> we have to start somewhere. i want to digress a minute and say several years ago, wells fargo approached me under the regime and i turned it down. i understand the angsty people have about the history of wells fargo. i share that thanks. i share thatquite frankly, whats so true. i thoroughly went through this process as relates to this particular deal. i think it's going to be a very,

very good deal for the community and our people. i wouldn't do it and it would not be prudent for me to do that. we did not have to do that. we already -- in various cities and not just limited to those three, we will grow out to other cities. but we will only grow as we accomplish what we set out to do in each particular area. if we don't go to chicago, we may go to miami. it depends on the deal and the terms of the deal. the second thing i think is important to know, about 60% of -- is going to be inclusive for low income housing. and that makes it very affordable for ami area median income. it's going to be within the reach of people who are trying to get it. the fourth thing that is important to note is we also have a mechanism to help people to shore up their credit through our foundation, to do financial literacy, to do job training and job acquisition

through the foundation. finally, we are also interested in -- we are covering the waterfront with our goodsoil program. we've got 2500 people this week that are going to be going through the intense training, how to scale their business up to go to the next level. >> and this is all in line with what you preach. it's not one or the other. it's really putting body to the sermons and preaching and teaching it that you have been doing. it is just making it practically happen. before i let you go, i must ask you about republicans attacking diversity and equity programs at banks for being what they call woke. it seems to me these politicians are completely missing the point of the good work people like yourself are trying to do, who are nonpartisan. you are not republican or democrat. what are your thoughts about the debate of ending diversity, equity programs and how it should be taken outside of the

framework of just petty politics? >> and there is no way to do away with the -- i think it's important to understand our country's diverse. if you will have a workforce, you have to develop diversity. if you will have customers, you have to develop some ability, some acumen to understand diversity and included into the narrative and your conversation. precisely for that reason, i want to -- who are trying to get elected and started to talk to ceos because it seems like a clear path towards solving some of the problems, the immediate sort of problems we have right now. the country is diverse. >> i thank you for bringing this to politicsnation. i remember you and i talked waiting to go in at aretha franklin's funeral talking about the same point in our

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