my money here is probably on mickey and minnie but we will see how this all plays out. match wants to know, can potus ignore the debt ceiling, should congress not pass a bill to raise it? good question here. the answer is not really. there is debate about this out there, but no president that i am aware of has ignored the debt ceiling. it hasn't been controversial totally recent years. there are questions about minting a coin that people throughout their or congress getting rid of the debt ceiling. but for now, they have to figure out a path forward. that's not what i can do, that does it for me today, be sure to follow the show and twitter, tiktok, and instagram, we'll be back here next sunday at noon eastern but stay right where you are because there is much more ahead on msnbc. tonight, on the mehdi hasan show. teflon don accused of rape on

wednesday, hugged an insurrectionist on thursday, and yet still, still the republican front runner for president in 2024. we will walk you down that hall of shame, also the senate judiciary committee wants to speak to supreme court justice john roberts about ethics. he declined, i wonder why. and what the dems do now? plus, just how a racist was tucker carlson. tonight, we've got the receipts, and david mandela's here, the director and executive producer of hbo's new political comedy drove a white house plummer. >> behind the scenes, the watergate scandal. te rgate scandal. >> but first, we begin with breaking news. manhunt is ramping up for a -- mass shooter accused of killing five -- including an eight-year-old child on friday. authorities say they have run into dead ends and they are offering an 80,000 dollar reward for the information. nbc's priscilla thompson has the details. >> there is now an 80,000

dollar reward being offered for anyone who can come forward with information about where the suspect might be. investigators say they have no leads right now, and they are looking for tips. they say they believe it is possible that the suspect has reached out to friends and try to contact people. they are urging anyone with any information to come forward. we heard the sheriff earlier today getting emotional as he described what this, the impact that this has had on him, talking about that eight-year-old boy who was murdered, and saying that he will not rest until this suspect is brought to justice. we know that there are more than 250 officers on the ground in this area, searching for the suspect, going door to door and speaking to neighbors and searching homes and vehicles to try to get any potential leads that could lead to a break in this case. this is a multi agency man hunt for this individual, who is considered armed and dangerous.

we have had an opportunity to speak to people in the community about this. many of them are saying that they catch him and we've spoken to neighbors and shock, saying they would not expect anything like this whatever happened here and they are grappling with all of this as the suspect remains at large, and of course we know that all of this began when a neighbor went over and asked the suspect to stop shooting his ar-15 in the front yard. and shortly thereafter, police say the suspect went into that neighbor's home and began firing, killing five people, including that year old boy. and certainly so much pain and tragedy being felt here, with a vigil held on sunday night to honor his life, as students prepared to return to school tomorrow. we do know there will be counselors on hand, and also extra security at the schools. back to you. >> priscilla thompson, thank

you. the. there was a particular moment in 2015, an infection moment of sorts for an american politics went through the looking glass, ventured into the twilight zone, the upside down. put your pop cultural plug. yes, donald trump's -- upended countless norms and standards. it obliterated the conventions of the washington chattering class but the moment i realized we are truly catapulted into this new hellish reality we find ourselves in, a reality in which the normal political rules didn't apply to donald john trump, who was when he did this to one john sidney mccain. >> frank, frank. let me get to it. he hit me. he is not a war hero. here's a war hero because he was captured. like people that weren't captured, okay. he is a war hero because he was captured. okay. >> to review, that was a twice

divorced bang clips-y -- ultraconservative audience at the iowa family leadership summit, blasting away with a rhetorical double barrel shotgun at a former gop presidential candidate and the war hero, an icon about as synonymous with the republican brand is this elephant itself. it was, it seemed a, shocking spectacle. so shocking in fact, -- suggested in the immediate aftermath that it was the beginning of the end of trump's campaign. the oracle of delphi, the national review is not. what the mccain slight did represent was the -- the phenomenon we now know all too well, the notion that trump is untouchable that, he is so fundamentally outrageous and abnormal that wild metrics of what a scandalous and perverse, what is unacceptable, no longer applies. if ted cruz, if margaret ruby, if any other 2016 runner had mocked john mccain's time as a printer of war they would've been ex communicated from politics, but not donald. this week we got a charming

reminder of that reality -- -- former president is about to publish. i never warmed to him, writes trump, never felt good about anybody having anything to do with john mccain, and never will. even despite the fact that at the request, i give him the world's longest funeral, 11 days. much like his words, it never ended. for the record, mccain's memorial events actually spend five days, not 11, but i suppose one should never let something as trivial as facts get in the way of a good singer. but here's the thing. in the 2016 race, the john mccain attack stood out as shocking. these days, the john mccain attack struggles to get into the top three talking things trump has done this week. on wednesday, -- in a new york courtroom to accuse trump of raping her in a luxury department store dress sing room in the mid 1990s. quote, i'm here because donald trump raped me. and what i wrote about it, he said it did not happen. carol testified on wednesday before proceeding to describe

the assault in graphic detail, including how trump allegedly pushed her so forcefully at the start of the taxi head or head against the wall of the dressing room. trump has denied any wrongdoing. he denies ever even having met e. jean carroll, so weeks -- scam and a witch hunt. you would think this matter is on the front page of every newspaper in the land, the -- of every cable show this last few days but it hasn't been. there was a time, you may recall, the allegations of sexual misconduct could break through the noise. think back to the access hollywood tape in october of 2016. trump actually apologized, kind of, for his remarks. he's open bragging about grabbing women by the you know what. but, nowadays in 2024, inseam teflon don is now immune even to explicit accusations of rape. and his crip tony i'm invulnerability has extended to safeguard him from all manner of -- jason point. did you even hear about trump hugging a terrorist in new hampshire on thursday this past

week, -- mike pence and every single member of congress -- to be executed, was convicted on charges of -- who still is a proud qanon adherent. that woman shared an embrace with donald trump at a manchester diner like jack and rose on the ball of the titanic. keep in mind, this wasn't a gotcha. one doesn't get near a presidential candidate, let alone a -- knowingly, willfully, cuddled up with a domestic terrorist. i can say that certainty, because upon bursting into the diner, mickey larsson also then president trump, will he please sign my backpack that a carriage january 6th. i went to jail for 161 days for january the 6th. and then he hugged her. do you remember when barack obama, 2008, had to denounce his past over saying things that he wasn't even the room to hear? meanwhile, donald trump is over here whispering sweet nothings into the air of a woman who wanted his vice president dead.

and few seem to care. look, i understand that at this point in you're, what is it, 63 of the trump era, i've lost count, we are a little -- total disregard for human decency, his unrelenting destructive boorish-ness. that being said, we simply cannot allow this type of insanity to continue to be normalized. excused, ignored. that is why here on the show, we are not going to get tired of telling you about unhinged, cruel and facetious things he does as he runs for president for their time, because we must never lose sight of the fact, the fact that all of this, this man, the movement he started, the standards he has destroyed, none of it is normal. not at all. joining me now is national fares correspondent for the nation, joan walsh. former brooklyn new york prosecutor, civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst charles comment, and the opinion columnist for the new york times and co-host of the unclear -- jamelle bouie. thank you all for joining me

tonight, on the show. appreciate you all being here. jamele, we start with you, despite everything i just listed off the, mom curry of mccain's funeral, the e. jean carroll civil -- of a one sixth domestic terrorist, trump is currently dominating the republican primary. this means he has expanded the lead with the only -- ron desantis. how do you explain that? how do you explain it? >> i think it's very easy to explain. that is just that no one in the republican party has ever decided to challenge him for the position of leadership. it's his by to fall. after january 6th, there was this brief moment where republicans could have completely cut themselves loose of trump in the aftermath. they decided not to. they chose to stick with him. that choice more or less, i think, overdetermined what came next. he was going to be the presumptive leader of the party. and he is the presumptive leader of the party. what is noteworthy is that none

of his potential rivals, not ron desantis, not nikki haley, not awesome hutchinson, former governor of arkansas, we just announced, none of them have gone after trump. they have gone after democrats. dave talked around trump, somewhat, but no one has ever actually gone after him. and that tells you all you need to know. and i'm not going to actually attack the front runner for the nomination. then you have essentially conceded that he is the front runner and he will remain a front runner. that's >> a very good point. nikki haley in this past week attacked ron desantis over did me but not donald trump. charles, i want to get your reaction to this clip, this joke that roy would union made -- >> let's have a watch. >> when somebody says, trump arrest, they didn't do what i thought was going to do. the trump rest is in the background -- you i feel justice? this doesn't feel like justice.

let me try one of them georgia arraignment brownies. [laughter] >> he mentioned georgia there, charles. we have got fani willis talking about possible indictments coming down the track in july, or whatever it is, onwards from the summer. what do you think, what do you make, i mean, it is a very fine line to say what you said. -- you, who's someone who is a legal analyst for this network, how do you keep track of all of this stuff. how do you keep yourself sane and say, is any of this actually going to lead and with any legal accountability? >> it's funny you say that, earlier today it made me -- being a criminal so we can finally indict you. because there are so many different things that are going on that every time i turn around, there's something else that is popping up. it's true, the wheels of justice to move slowly, as a former prosecutor i can tell you that these things take time. there are a lot of things that are developing in fulton county that we are learning about. the false electors and that scheme that have now put a monkey range in funding willis 's plan, in order to do what

she needs to properly, she tested ache time to do what she needs to do -- their attorney that she has now got to sort through so she doesn't create a -- issues. all that being said i, think it is important to keep the eyes on jack smith. and it is also important for people to understand that whether it is georgia, whether it is manhattan, whether it is jack smith, on the federal level, the only reason why we are looking at this with the timeframe that we have is because we are where the investigations are plate taking place. it's important to understand that in a normal world, these things are happening in the public does not know. so, the investigation can take a very long time before we see something before a grand jury. in this case, i understand the public's angst. but. again it is, something that prosecutors have to do to make sure that when they bring the case, they can win the case. >> so, joan, we have a civil trial this week. in addition to all the criminal stuff, you have e. jean carroll in this defamation case. you are saying you rude -- a accusation against you. she is going to be presenting

witnesses in court this week, people she says she told about the attack at the time, other women who have accused donald trump. we forget about the dozens of women. dozens. >> yeah. she's got penalty of women to choose from. what do you make of that? >> how have we normalized a rape accusation against the presidential candidate? >> can we just not say we. because we haven't. >> you and i haven't. charles hasn't. but you know what i mean. >> i do know exactly which means. but i just have to stop their. because i take this very seriously. i hope e. jean carroll is having a wonderful, restful weekend because she has got to go back on the witness stand. she has got to be tortured by trump's lawyer, who really does not the case because trump won't take the tandem self. almost certainly. >> he will turn up to the courthouse. >> or even turn up to the courthouse. his only strategy is to attack their credibility and make her look olympic. and i don't think that that happened. i think that her testimony was very moving, and very earnest, and believable. we'll have an effect on women

foods, independent voters, republican women voters? no. maybe independent women. but again, there's so much going on, it is really hard for one thing to break through. >> -- update steve bannon's old phrase, joan, charles, jamele, stick around. we have got a lot more to talk about off the break, supreme court's ethics problems now extend well beyond the certain clarence thomas. clarence thomas. trelegy for copd. ♪birds flyin' high, you know how i feel.♪ ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... [coughing] ...copd sitting down. ♪it's a new dawn,...♪ ♪...it's a new day,♪ it's time to make a stand. ♪and i'm feelin' good.♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd... ...medicine has the power to treat copd... ...in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,... ...trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function,

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but he belongs to billionaire harlan crow. and that is when an f t's. >> that was comedian roy -- justice clarence thomas at the white house correspondents dinner last night and that was a very good one, a very good joke but jokes aside, the ethics crisis in the land is no laughing matter. this is super serious stuff and now another justice has found himself at the center of controversy. according to a new report from business insider, chief justice -- allegedly made over $10 million in commission as a recruiter for the nation's top law firm. at least one of those firms lead out business before the court. details come from the whistleblower complaint filed by a colleague of roberts's wife. it is now just the latest in the series of supreme court scandals dominating headlines in recent weeks. it comes as the senate judiciary committee is set to hold it hearing this tuesday to discuss possible ethics reform

on the court. last week, roberts declined an invitation from chairman dick durbin to appear before the committee, in a letter, the chief justice -- quote, judicial independence. let's bring back my panel. charles, i'm sure americans, ordinary moroccans would be surprised to hear that pretty much everyone involved in our legal establishment in this country, from prosecutors to judges, at every level, are bound by basic ethics codes and rules. except for the nine most important legal people in this country. >> right. >> that is bizarre. and i have to ask you, when you were a prosecutor, if you hadn't even had percent of what a clarence thomas is accused of doing, which is 12 job? >> i would've had a job, i might not even have at a license. i think that's an important distinction to make. what we are talking about here is the notion of privilege, and how privileges embed with each other all over the place. which is understandable, to a point. when you have circles that are at a certain level, people are going to interact. you are going to know people, you're going to network, you are going to do things

together. that part is okay. but that is also why you have to have extreme guardrails against impropriety, or even the appearance of impropriety, especially at that level. it makes it even more of an imperative that you could protect the integrity of the system, because fundamentally if people give out trust -- democracy is built on, and then what do we have? and that is why this is such a big problem. it calls for congress to really address the issue of an ethics, a code of ethics for the supreme court. >> which isn't going to happen anytime soon. jamele, in a new piece you wrote, the roberts has -- illustrates a key reality of american politics, it is a moment that quote, our supreme court does not exist in the constitutional order as much as it looms over it, a rope tribunal of self styled philosopher kings, accountable to no one but themselves. i have to ask. is there any way that this court, these philosopher kings, can be rained in? >> i mean, there are plenty of ways that the court can be rained in. the thing that i was trying to get out in my column is now on

paper, in fact, the supreme court is part of the constitutional order. it is bound by the same checks and balances, as a legislative brand in the executive branch. but over the last 50 years, really, the court has accumulated a tremendous amount of power and influence. and roberts's refusal to testify is saying, you know, the judicial independence -- illustration of that. he is essentially saying, i have no obligation to go in front of you. you really can't make me, unless you have the rope votes. if you don't have the votes, i can just go along my merry way. and that really, that to me is a kind of arrogance. it is an arrogance of a branch that has decided, really, that it isn't bound to the other branches in terms of its responsibilities and obligations. so congress, if it has the votes, it can do all sorts of things. it can, i mean, it can increase or reduce the size of the court, it can reduce its budget.

it can make that justices -- >> subpoena him, if diane feinstein -- >> the congress has actually a ton of destruction discretion of the structure of the court. i think it's important to remind people of this. much of the court as we know it is not spelled out in the constitution. the only thing the constitution says is that there has to be a supreme court in and it has to have a regional jurisdiction over several issues and it has to have -- over other sets of issues. everything else is up to congress. yeah. go ahead. >> so, if it is up to congress, let's bring in joan here. what do democrats in congress, what democrats in the white house want to do about it? dick durbin didn't subpoena clarence thomas. he said, he -- won't listen to me. dianne feinstein won't quit the senate. he doesn't have the numbers to subpoena him. he can't even confirm biden judges, even though they have a majority in the senate. and of course, joe biden went more than two years into his presidency without even mentioning expanding the court. where are dems on this? >> i think biden set up a kind

of mealymouthed commission early on, and they just kicked it right. so, i, a lot of people are really disappointed with dems on this. one thing dick durbin could do, if the other gets dianne feinstein back, is to do away with the blue slit privileges that republicans are using to block qualified biden nominations. the feinstein thing is tough. because she probably should go, but there is no guarantee chuck schumer wanted to replace her. she wanted to be replaced on the judiciary, and republicans wouldn't do it. there is not now any guarantee that if governor gavin newsom appointed somebody knew, that they would seat that person on the judiciary. we need their cooperation -- which is so outrageous. >> a senior democrat the white house correspondents dinner last night said to me, she is coming back soon. and then roll their eyes. so, let's see if she's coming back anytime soon. charles coleman, thank you for analysis tonight. we appreciate you. joan, jamele, stick around. we have got a lot more to discuss. coming up, we don't know why

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that's a lie. we have a moral obligation to -- even if it makes our own country poorer and dirtier and more divided. demographic demographic. demographic. remember the great replacement theory? it was a conspiracy theory. sounds more like a statistical fact. -- is living proof that the way we practice immigration has become dangerous to this country. congresswoman yoho mar, herself -- kissing human being actually because lonesome is your home are? it's hard to believe. -- you know, it's something that is within her range of experience. she got it? we can't say. but she is done. >> just for masochistic reasons, can you one more time? so, it might be time for joe biden to let us know what -- ella say tee score was. how did she do on the l sets? they think that you should be elevated in america based on what you do, and the choices you make, not and how your born, not on your dna. because that is rwanda.

rwanda. rwanda. rwanda. we are not precisely sure how george floyd died. very few -- where george floyd -- the only job training program this administration is gotten behind into no half years is getting black people to smoke more weed in the cities. you never see politicians transitions to say malcolm x. why is that? maybe because malcolm x didn't talk like a sharecroppers. xenophobia. it seems almost antique. this show, more than any other show in television, is taking an aggressive position in the favor of color blind equality, and against racism. [laughter] >> now, having watched all of that, can you believe that some people, even some on the left, are saying tucker carlson was a populist on tv, a champion of the people? some of the left could do business with, even. this is something we will discuss after the break with joan and jamele. and i forget you can listen to the mehdi hassan show anytime

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from fox, but he has left behind the toxic legacy of racism, xenophobia and massage any. and yet, some on the left, and some of the weirder parts of the left, i kid you not, are trying to peek carlson is a man of the people, who challenge the status quo. in the right up of carlson's

exit, the progressive -- tapped and populist insights, cutting through left and right wing echo chambers and putting her questions to corporate executives and members of the political establishment. yes, because when i think of a man of the people, i think of tucker swanson making near carlson, let's bring back jamele bowie and joan walsh. i want to bring up this tweet you wrote on the absurdity of separating, or trying to separate carlson's bigotry from his so-called populism. you tweeted, quote, if you think you can somehow separate the question of personhood indignity, which is what we are talking about when we're talking about white nationalism, from the question of economic justice, and i'm sorry, you are at best a fool and arab. debunked that prospect argument for us. talk about what carlson's real goals were. >> i think the important thing to understand about carlson, the clips you showed, they really highlight this. all of his political positions, -- believed anything, right, are tied up in this vision of the united states as being this

exclusive, narrow, a mugginess country, for which immigrants and refugees and even some actual citizens who happen to be a different race or skin color, don't belong. and so, he is anti corporate views are less about any particular opposition to corporate power, and more about the unhappiness with corporate power, corporations, that acknowledge -- united states or seem to, you know, create a more diverse workplace or whatnot, or showcase that diversity. his problem with all sorts of things, his problem with the republican party, to the extent he ever had it, is much more about its attempts, its aborted attempts to reach out to other groups. some of which of his ideology is about this racialized vision of the country.

and everything flows from that. to hill him -- >> i was going to say -- there's also this point which really bothers me, as someone who has come from europe to come from the united states. it's like i, want to say to some of these people, travel around the world, those of us who have lived in europe have seen fascist movements in places like france with le pen, it is not surprising. fascism has always had a left component when it comes to being pro worker and pro industry. that doesn't make any list fascist, does it jamele? >> right. the prospect -- by -- noting that parties of the right, populist, right-wing populist parties have always had a critique of capitalism. that doesn't mean they are on your side. and the critique of capitalism on tucker's part is very much about the idea that the wrong people are being hurt by capitalist inequality. -- you think of capitalist inequality affecting people who

carlson things shouldn't be affected. -- capitalism inequality primarily affected, you know, immigrants and non-white people and left white americans alone, who would be hard-pressed to imagine he had much of a complaint. >> indeed. joan, the speculation also that carles misogyny played a role in his firing, he has a history of sending texts in which he refers to women in demeaning ways, is the possibility that his tax, some of which are still redacted, we have much worth some about even women who work at fox. we will know -- talked about a climate of sexism and misogyny. you yourself have been a victim of the sexism. you have written about how he once called you the seaward. what a guy tucker carlson's, that he can't work out if you was fire for's racism or sexism. >> yeah. but we know it is not both. i think you have done a really good job of saying that it is red definitely not racist and. they didn't care about the racism. do they care now about misogyny? it might cost them money, because abby grossberg has to

lawsuits against them. and he might've refer to somebody way way up at the top of fox as that word that he likes to use. so, you know, it's not because they suddenly said oh, he called joan walsh the sea word. and he has called these other people, -- love sponge, you know, calling women the sea word and saying sexist things. no. they do not care. it could cost them money, it maybe did cause the money, and it could embarrass the network even further. so, it's just appalling. >> yeah. the lines that you quassa fox or not the racism sexism lines. it is -- costs money lines. i noticed a lot of other hosts who cost the money, wonder what they are thinking this week about their future. and career prospects. jamele bowie, joan walsh, thank you both for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up next, the men behind the watergate scandal, the stars of hbo's new chair -- david mandel joins us next to talk about what makes this show so different.

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to the events that transpired all those years ago. white house plumbers premieres tomorrow. it centers on two bumbling men who were the architects of the break-in of the democratic national committee offices, what we came to know as the watergate scandal. >> i appreciate that you take chances. yes, we've gotten results. i can't have any -- it's too important. now, you listen to me, george. you are not a federal agent anymore. you are an intelligence agent. you are a spy. if you want to succeed in this line of work, you need to be willing to bend the rules, go outside the line. >> those were actors just and throw and what he haralson playing g gordon lady and he

howard hines respectively. it's directed by david manual who brought us a vp, the show with julia lewis dreyfuss. a vice president -- all howling each season. davin mendel joins me now. thank you so much for coming back on the show, congratulations on your new show. now, there have been a lot of watergate movies and tv shows. what attracted you to this particular project? you've called it a very funny tragedy. explain what you mean by that. >> i will tell you two things. it's a funny tragedy. at the end of the day, we are talking about a gentleman who were on behalf of the president of the united states, trying to subvert the will of the people. they were breaking. laws they may have been bumbling, these are dangerous guys. they were a little unhinged. they were prepared to do anything and everything for nixon in the name of the law. they were bailing to break the law. that sort of, i guess, the first part of why it's such a funny tragedy. for me, what was fascinating as

someone who loves watergate and watergate shows, i've seen so many of them where at the beginning, at the end, there would be a moment of a flashlight and a break-in. five men arrested. all of that stuff. no one told you who are these guys. who are the footsoldiers? who were these true believers? the guys that actually went to prison. and that's what i thought was really interesting from this. >> to answer your question, who were, they talk about just in the row playing a g gordon lady. this guy who used to burn his hand over a lip candle to prove his commitment to the cause. there's an amazing scene when he's playing to hitler's speeches to eat howard hunt at a dinner. yet, even after going to prison, lydia paired in tv, shows he became a radio host, a guest on fox. >> he was living the republican dream. i he put his hand on flames and

whatnot. he became quite famous for it. in some ways, what's the word i'm looking for, he's a harbinger of the modern culture. infamy and bad behavior make you famous. you are rewarded for it. he was a guy that wanted to be famous. there's no other way of putting. it he was desperate to be famous. he bounced around the fbi. he tried to run for office. when all of that didn't happen, he sort of swore allegiance to nixon. just felt like this man will take care of me. even when faced with the fact that nixon thought he was kind of an idiot, he held, he continued to believe. it's the true believer is and we see it all over politics right now. it's so dangerous. >> true believers from hitler to nixon. it tells you everything you need to know. >> i have to ask, david, does watergate still have the same shock value as a political

scandal in an age where the most recent republican president makes richard nixon look like a boy scout. trump has now been indicted. >> sadly, no, i'm hoping maybe it sort of causes people to look back and, i don't, know maybe remind us of what it used to mean. someone said the other day, maybe it can remind people of what a shame used to mean. it would be a wonderful thing. sadly, i think, i will say the average human being, the average young person, doesn't even know what watergate is. maybe they've heard the word gate. america as a country, we have a short term amnesia. it's sort of, like watergate happened. we elected carter. everything was fine. everything wasn't fine. so, i guess maybe just maybe it gives us an opportunity to remember or at least look at what trump is doing. some of what trump is doing. look at it through this lens of watergate once we remind you what watergate was.

maybe you kind of go, oh, wow this is bad. this is a violation of trust. basic rights. >> last question. last time the white house court -- and pr choked from the stage that covering the white house is less like watching the west wing, and more like watching veep, as the former showrunner, do you get that? >> very strangely, the further we go, the more our system deteriorates, the more relevant a beep becomes. it's both nice and said. >> very nice, very sad, very scary. david mandela, always a pleasure, white house plumbers premiers on hbo on monday. >> thank, you. thank you. >> coming up in the next hour, washington governor -- is fighting against red state authoritarianism by attacking his own state government and pro -- stick around, ayman joins me next, we'll talk about the correspondents dinner and what you didn't see on tv. i was, there is thicker. s, there is thicker.

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will be right back next sunday 8 pm eastern. you can now find the show on the msnbc hub on peacock. the new episodes are on peacock during the week. now, it's time to hand it over to my good friend amy in. good evening, amen. >> maddie, it's good to see you, as always, my.

friends i enjoy the commentary on the white house correspondents dinner last. and unfortunately, for me, i drew the short end of this stick. i actually had to cover and report on it. i got to watch. if you were there, tell us a little bit about. it was your big takeaway >> i, mean there is some good humor, eamonn. whatever you think of the politicians in the event, people have mixed opinions. certainly, there was some good gags. not just from the -- comedian there to entertain. the president joe biden had some very good lines. he went for some very easy targets and i enjoyed his gags at fox's expense. let's play a clip of joe biden on fox. >> cable news networks are here tonight. msnbc, nbc universal, fox news, owned by dominion voting systems. last year, your favorite fox

news reporters are able to attend because they were fully vaccinated and boosted. this year, with that 787 million dollar settlement, they are here because they couldn't say no to a free meal. >> amen, what you didn't see in that clip, you saw the cutaways, people smiling, laughing. there were no cutaways to the fox tables. i happen to be on an msnbc table that was right next to the fox table where suzanne scott, fox ceo was sat with kellyanne conway, bill barr, others. and it was stony faced silence throughout. every time biden made a gag about fox, we all turn to look at the fox table. in fact, susan scott who somehow survived, there was talk that we are going to throw or under the bus. instead, they threw tucker carlson under. that she got up and walked out after the biden comment she'd and state for the roast of her network. funny about that. it's kind of like the state of

the union where the republicans never stand up when joe biden says something good. the democrats never stand up when the republican president says something. you know what was also a big takeaway for me, mehdi, and i really appreciate the correspondents dinner. it celebrates the first amendment. it is incredible to hear that kind of roasting of powerful elites happening in realtime. you heard the president also talked about the importance of journalists. he talked about the wall street journal that's detained in russia. he talked about how he's going to fight for the freedom of journalist in iran and russia and elsewhere. journalism is not a crime. that's great, that's a very important message to be delivered. what stood out to me, it's a missed opportunity for him to renew calls for the accountability and the killing of shoring up bucket, palestinian american journalist who was killed by israeli strollers doing her job in the west bank. it seem like the administration

has taken the foot off the gas pedal. trying to seek accountability. i think we have a little bit of that last night. listen. >> -- a little journalism is not a crime. evan austin should have released a immediately, allowing every -- wrongfully detained abroad. this time last year, we were afraid for you, brittany. hoping you knew how hard all of us were fighting for your release. it's great to have you home. >> what i found interesting about that, ayman, but clicked with joe biden, he singles out, he names people who we should all campaign for, evan in russia, austin and, syria brittney griner, a, course not a journalist, detained in russia. as you say, names of the missing, american citizens, journalist, killed by the israeli. as the fbi opened an investigation six months ago. haven't heard anything on. that she was killed almost a year ago. nothing from biden on her.

not just shoot reena -- juliet assange, eamonn, you can have whatever opinion about julian assange, i'm not a fan of him personally, extradited are tempted be extradited or -- publishing things that we needed to know about war crimes in iraq and elsewhere. if you're going to say journalism is not a crime, you're going to have to talk about people like -- and you're going to have to talk about whether or not you like people julian assange. >> you are going to have to celebrate the first amendment rights of the press to be able to report on everything, even if we don't like where they're reporting, what they are reporting about. and who is reporting. mehdi, it's great to see you, my friend. great show as always. enjoy the rest of your evening. coming up on ayman, red state authoritarianism. zoe's death are silenced by republicans in her legislator. it's going to join us live. we are going to hear her talk about those gop's underhanded attacks. blue state pushback, i will be joined by washington governor jay inslee for an exclusive

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