entering a new phase with senate democrats and president biden ripping the, quote, reckless house republican plan and planning to showcase the evidence. as the deadline looms closer, is congress on the path to a solution or catastrophe? former president donald trump's rape/defamation trial, his attorney joe tacopina getting a big no from the judge on the mistrial request. we'll go live to the courthouse in just a few minutes. we are going to start in texas where it's day three of the massive manhunt for suspected texas gunman francisco oropesa. so far no sign of the man accused of killing his five neighbors execution style including a 9-year-old boy after they complained he was firing his ar-15 at night. yesterday the police and fbi saying they've come up empty despite a massive contingent of

250 officers involved and a reward totaling $80,000 for tips that bring him in. they say the man they're looking for is armed and dangerous and could be literally anywhere. >> i pretty much can guarantee he's contacted some of his friends. we just don't know what friends they are. that's what we need in the public, is any type of information. right now we're just running into dead ends. >> do you all believe that the suspect is still in the area? >> we do not know. like i said, right now we have zero leads. >> that attack happened on friday night. since then ten more mass shootings have taken place across the u.s. including eight yesterday. among them, a shooting at a house party in mississippi that left a 16-year-old and 18-year-old dead and a 19-year-old under arrest. at almost the exact same time gunfire broke out at a house party in massachusetts killing an 18-year-old and wounding five

others. in south carolina, nine people shot, most teenagers after gathering in a park around 1:00 a.m. on saturday. i want to bring in nbc's gabe gutierrez covering the search in texas. robert gibbs is an msnbc political analyst. charles colon is a civil rights attorney, former prosecutor and msnbc analyst. gabe, first to you. what's the latest on this manhunt? >> this is an urgent search. hundreds of investigators are in and around the scene trying to find the suspect. we're also learning new information from i.c.e. according to i.c.e. the suspect has been deported from the united states four times, twice in 2009. once in 2012 and once in 2016. again, authorities do not know where he might be right now. they're offering an $80,000 reward. this has devastated that community. my colleague, priscilla thompson spoke with the father of the

9-year-old boy who was killed and he describes a devastating scenario where the family members called 911 at least five times, waited 20 minutes for police to arrive. again, this all unfolded, and now this manhunt is under way for several days at this point. again, authorities offering $80,000 reward, but frustratingly have no leads at this point. >> charles, are you surprised here that the fbi says they have zero leads? what could have led to this? how could this suspect have gotten away with so much manpower on this? >> lindsey, it's hard to say how this could have happened at this extent given the number of law enforcement agencies that the fbi is likely coordinating with, i am surprised to hear them say they don't have leads. it was telling to me to hear the officer talk about the fact that there are a number of different leads they had that led to dead

ends. it's clear to me that there have been certain things that have been turning up. from my perspective, it's very surprising that the suspect has been able to be this evasive for as long as he has. >> robert, i want to point to some illuminating reporting from "the washington post." they cite new gallup poll numbers finding that the share of republicans who think crime is getting worse in their community has gone from 38% to 72%. meanwhile the percentage of democrats went from 37 pshs to 42%. they say that's the widest partisan perception gab ever. what do you attribute that to? >> first we live in a tremendously polarized world. i think that's a big part of it. i think secondly this is the role that misinformation and disinformation can play because those statistics do not correlate with actual crime

statistics. we saw this in the last election, people doubling down on a crime message in some places where crime had gone up in a relative sense, but if you compared it to two or four years ago, it was actually down. i think, look, we're more connected now with the news. we understand it's reported now more often, the number of times these shootings are happening. more and more people are scared. more and more people are impacted that they're going to happen to them. there's a proliferation, quite frankly, of gun sales. it's remarkable to see the fbi talking about the number of background checks that have been done in the last year compared to just a few years ago. so i think we're in the midst of a kind of perfect storm. >> charles, "the washington post" analyzed records from 80 major police departments and found, quote, reported violence across the country in 2022 was lower than the five-year average. with that said, does this

perceived crime growth put more pressure ons prosecutors? >> it does. it does come at a time to borrow a phrase from what bob just said, in terms of this perfect storm, there's also a conversation particularly in left and progressive spaces about abolishing cash bail and bail reform and the overall conversation about criminal justice reform, all of this catches prosecutors and law enforcement in the middle of it at a very precarious time. there's a dialogue that completed the notion of safety with increased law enforcement and police. at the same time there are people pushing back about the presence of police in community and what it does. in the middle of all of that are prosecutors who are trying to create safe communities but also don't want to necessarily contribute to them being overpoliced. it's a very difficult scale to balance, and it comes at a time when there are so many different factors weighing into the discussion. >> given that delicate balance, robert, is there anything to be

learned from in terms of policy? if so many republicans are thinking things are getting worse, is there any evidence that either side is trying to make it better? >> look, i think in a purely political environment there's lots of people that may be pushing the envelope for some sort of political gain, and that's as old as the country, and that's hard to steer around. i think the challenge we all have, we've got to keep pressure on everyone to try to do something around gun safety. quite frankly, you can't imagine that something is going to happen legislatively on that without some broad discussion about the proliferation of these incidents. again, it's a very precarious situation where we're getting information from lots of different sides and, quite frankly, it's hard to see our way out of it. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you. charles and robert, see you in a little bit. president biden hits back at speaker mccarthy as the white house refines its debt ceiling

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better starts with breyers. today president biden making clear his administration's debt ceiling strategy while also criticizing house speaker kevin mccarthy. in the last hour the president spoke about the speaker's approach to negotiations at a rose garden event commemorating national small business week. >> most important thing we have to do in that regard is to make sure that the threat by the speaker of the house to default on the national debt is off the table. over 200 years, america has never, ever, ever failed to pay its debt. put in the colloquial terms, america is not a deadbeat nation. we've never failed to meet the debt. >> this comes after mccarthy addressed the israeli parliament this morning and took shots at

biden over the weekend for not inviting israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu to the white house. anna palmer is co-founder of punchbowl news joining us. also back with us is robert gibbs. monica, how is the white house planning to take on republican lawmakers over the debt ceiling? >> i think what you just heard and played from the president there in the rose garden, lindsey, is your clearest indication that this is a white house that is doubling and tripling down on the strategy they have employed for the last couple months that when it comes to the debt ceiling and the financial security of the united states, that's not something that they are willing to negotiate on. of course, there is incredible pressure that's building as we are getting so much closer to june and the fact that we're going to find out soon when this deadline could be for the u.s. to potentially default. again, the president very clear that's never happened before and he doesn't intend for that to

happen again. the biggest question is how this works in terms of the game of chicken in terms of high-stakes chicken in terms of when the speaker and the president could actually sit down and talk about this. over the last couple weeks there had been even some democratic lawmakers, allies of the president saying, look, we understand you don't want to negotiate on raising the debt limit, but you should sit down with the speaker to talk about the budget. the thing s these things are completely related. that's where you see the white house continuing to take a different approach and strategy when it comes to outside pressure trying to specifically go after some lawmakers, some republicans here in their districts, for instance, to try to make this point that, if the u.s. were to default, this would be the reality for you. i think one way that the president made that very clear today is with small businesses. he said, for instance, in the last couple years you've seen record new business formation and creation. if the u.s. were to meet this

financial catastrophe in the words of the treasury secretary, all of that would be impacted. the president very clearly in the rose garden trying to lay out what's at stake while saying at the same time he's not going to really take this threat from speaker mccarthy, but obviously some side is going to have to budge. this is going to have to be resolved if, indeed, the u.s. isn't going to say no, we're not going to pay our debts as the nation always has, lindsey. >> the president is saying we're not a deadbeat nation, where does this game of chicken go from here? >> that's what we're all watching really closely. last week all eyes were on what's going to happen in the house, see if mccarthy could pass the republican-only supported package. i think they're hoping behind the scenes that this will be the catalyst so that there are negotiations, whether at the staff level or at the kind of member-to-president level. we are getting dangerously close here to mid june, july, where

things will come into focus. these things never get done months in advance. i think you are really dealing with a couple of factors that are different than normal. one being the fact that most of the house republicans in office right now were not part of the last time that we came close in 2011. they've never been through this process before. i think the other thing is you'll see kevin mccarthy continue to say, listen, we want to lower spending, do something on reform. see if he can find a pathway forward. he's trying to, from his perspective, be a reasonable negotiator. we'll have to say when and if the senate leaders get involved in this discussion. >> robert, do you agree this is the way things are done? and how does each side avoid the perception of being on the losing end of this? >> yeah, unfortunately this is a little bit like it's the night before your term paper is due

and you start writing your term paper, not that that ever happened to any of us. i think that's just the way washington tends to work. i would say one of the things that anna said is spot on is watch the senate republicans here. i'm wondering how long mitch mcconnell is going to let this go. we know if you look at government shutdowns, not quite analogous to this, but government shutdowns have almost always blamed republicans for taking everybody over the cliff. so i don't know that this is going to work out a whole lot differently for republicans this time. in fact, i'd predict they're likely to be blamed if something happens because this is very different than the way we've approached these processes before, particularly the last few debt ceiling increases. speaker mccarthy wants to do something on spending and the budget, there's an appreciations process going on right now on capitol hill that he can weigh in on and have his members vote on, but the debt ceiling is

something i think the white house and democrats think should be lifted and we should be without that sort of, if you will, threat to the economy hanging over what should be a normal process. >> all right. before we let you go, robert, on saturday the president cracked a few jokes at the white house correspondents' dinner, even at his own expense. let's listen. >> after all, i believe in the first amendment. not just because my good friend jimmy madison wrote it -- [ laughter ]. >> you say i'm ancient. i say i'm wise. you say i'm over the hill, don lemon would say that's a man in his prime. >> so do you think we're going to see more of this, him attacking that issue head on which we know is important to voters, or do you think this is specific to the unique nature of that event? >> well, probably certainly

unique -- very specific to that event. i will say i think to some degree over the course of the next 18 months of the campaign, there is going to have to be some humor involved. we remember in 1984 reagan and mondale sparring about this and reagan effectively using some humor to point out he wasn't going to make fun of mondale's inexperience. i do think this is on the minds of the white house. we see it in the polling. the issue isn't necessarily going to go away, but it's going to be up to the white house to prove that despite his age, joe biden is capable of being president of the united states and being energetic at it. i suspect a serious push on what they've accomplished and how they're doing that is the best way to answer that. i assume, too, they'll interject at times, but not overly so, a little humor to point this out as well. >> anna, before we let all of you guys go, what do you make of

mccarthy taking biden head on when we talk about the fact that, oh, he hasn't talked to me in some 80 days to talk about the debt ceiling. if he's not talking to benjamin netanyahu, then netanyahu is in good company, sort of the fight over the israeli prime minister. >> my colleague jake sherman is on the ground with mccarthy. i think this is part of the effort for him to try to gain the upper hand in the negotiations to seem like he's not a crazy partisan who isn't able to do it there, doesn't want to get to the table. kevin mccarthy other and over again has been saying he wants to negotiate. i think he's trying to make this administration and democrats look like they're the ones that are not actually making the effort to solve and make a plan forward on the debt ceiling. we'll have to see if that is working. toe to toe mccarthy wants not only for his external relations, but also internal relations. you have to remember he has a tenuous small majority and is always trying to shore up

report. >> monica alba, anna palmer and robert gibbs, thanks to all of you. a third major bank goes under this year, it's the largest lender collapse we've seen since the 2008 financial crisis. what it means for the markets and your bank account next. d yot

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since silicon valley bank failed. first republic is even bigger, the largest bank collapse since 2008. the president speaking moments ago saying people shouldn't worry. >> let me be very clear. all depositors are being protected. shareholders are losing their investments. critically, taxpayers are not the ones that are on the hook. >> here to break it down is nbc's brian cheung and cnbc's hugh sung. what does this mean for first republic customers. >> what happened is over the weekend the government recognized that first republic may not have made it to monday morning. the government was going to step in, take ownership of the bank and sell the assets at the same time to another bank so come monday morning it would open under new management. they found the best bid from jpmorgan chase, able to open up first republic locations and

atms as chase branches and atms this is the second largest bank failure in history. it underscores the issues happening in the banking industry continue to ripple even now. >> we'll go into why here. but hugh, how can this impact our banks and our economy? >> lindsey, it's great to be with you. the first takeaway is the industry's 800-pound gorilla, more than $3.7 trillion in assets is getting a little bigger and a little more formidable. basically, in the long are term, the impact you'll see on the other banks -- lindsey, there are 4,100 banks in the united states. tlr so many banks in this country, there's going to be even greater pressure for them to consolidate. that means as regulators take a look at mid-sized banks and start to treat them more like they do large banks with higher

capital requirements. they're going to be forced to look at merging with rivals to try to scale up and have greater resources to put into consolidation, put into technology. >> brian, let's talk a little bit, if hugh is talking to us about the ripple effects, some of the bigger issues and trends we can see. help us understand how we got here. is there a fear that more customers will start pulling their money? >> for what it's worth, the issue at first republic appeared to be unique. the reason why is they reported last week they lost 40% of their deposits at the beginning of the year. the reason first republic was a victim of what happened at silicon valley bank is because the profile looked similar to the two banks that failed in march, one being a large concentration of deposters that had money behind the $250,000

guarantee. that's the reason why money continued to flow even after a bunch of other banks tried to come in and give it a $30 billion infusion. apparently that wasn't enough. again, the 40% deposit bleed, that's not happening at other regional banks. some are closer to 2% to 5%. if you don't have money at first republic, what happened at that bank likely isn't what happened at your bank. >> federal reserve documents said fallout from the u.s. banking crisis, this is before first republic, is likely to tilt the economy into a recession. how is this latest collapse likely to impact that possibility? >> it certainly leads us closer to that possibility. you have a situation where mid-sized banks, small banks in this country are going to be in risk-off mode. what does it mean? it means they know coming regulations will require them to hold on to more capital. as they extend less in loans, credit card loans, small

business loans, loans to businesses because they need to husband that capital, that will have a knock-on effect to the u.s. economy. i think that is the concern. certainly we're incrementally closer to that concern today, lindsey. >> how are markets responding? right now dow is up about 100 points, brian. what are we looking at overall today? >> hugh and i were corresponding over the course of the weekend, working closely with our friends on the other side of the river because we wanted to see whether or not the government was going to try to announce something prior to the asian market open yesterday which was 8:00 p.m. eastern time. they didn't do that. they ultimately had to move obviously before open today to make sure first republic customers on the east coast could access their funds. when you take a look at the dow jones, up .3%, that's not necessarily a really good day. it's certainly a green day. it doesn't necessarily point to any large exuberance over what happened with the first republic news. either way you see it, to see markets not tanking as a result of this, underscores some

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a scary moment saturday night near ohio state university. 14 people were taken to the hospital after a porch roof collapsed during a party at an old house just outside the university. officials tell nbc news there were reports of up to 45 people standing on the roof during the party, likely leading to the collapse. one person was reportedly under the roof when it fell. but police and students were able to pull him out. police say none of the injuries from the collapse appear to be life-threatening. in new york the judge overseeing the e. jean carroll trial is blocking a request from a mistrial and stopping tacopina partly through his prosecution of carroll. charles coleman is back with me. what was the reason for tacopina asking for a mistrial and why did the judge deny it? >> before we talk about that,

this is not only to show off for donald trump, but joe tacopina is putting on a show for other audiences and clients. he's trying to position himself as someone who is basically a bulldog in terms of going after clients and going after witnesses on the stand. so all of this is basically showmanship regardless of the legal arguments that are being advanced in front of the judge. the judge knows that. most judges know that. they're going to allow some of it to an extent. at this point tacopina has kind of gotten out of hand. i think that's why you saw the admonishment that resulted from the bench because you're not going to be able to do this grandstanding, even if it is for potential clients, that are watching the trial or observing how he is behaving with respect to his representation of donald trump but so much. i think that's why you saw the judge essentially deny him and shut him down with respect to his request for a mistrial. let's go live outside the courthouse with nbc's ron allen. ron, what has happened so far

today in court? >> reporter: another day of cross examination. this is the second full day of this, the third full day on the stand. it's something of a battle of attrition going on between her and the attorneys representing donald trump, former president trump, joe tacopina. today his tone is more methodical. it's going through her social media posts, going through columns she wrote, going through her politics, her friends, trying to find consistent sees that supports the narrative that she made the story up, she's doing this for money and fame and to be 234 the spotlight. they point out, for example, her column -- when she was writing her advice column, she suggested to a number of people that they call the police about various problems they were having, yet she did not call the police. say say to the jury, well, that's an inconsistent see. does that make sense to you?

they called out the fact that she went back to bergdorf goodman's subs zwoent the day in question, suggesting to the jury you wouldn't go back to this place if you were a rape victim and had this horrible experience there. she said yes, she did go back, spent a significant amount of money there, even went into a dressing room by herself. they're trying to put in the jury's mind that she's done a lot of things over the year that a rape victim might not do. she's been insistent this attack happened. she's been very vivid and graphic and detailed about what happened. there will be a couple other witnesses to come later, two friends of hers whom she told immediately after this happened she says, to back up her story and two other women who claim they were attacked in similar ways by former president trump on other occasions over the years. so all of that is to come. right now, again, she is locked

in this battle with trump's defense attorney. it's going to go on into the afternoon, the cross examination i would suspect. there's redirect for some point to come. this is the construction of the case. it's her story. she's telling it and they're trying to pick it apart. for the last three days and perhaps another day or so going forward, this is what we've got. this is the whole case. it boils down to does the jury believe her story. >> charles, that said, does the defense here, joe tacopina in particular, run the risk of that aggressive questioning back firing against a jury. remind us again what the jury is deciding here and how the burden of proof is different from a criminal case? >> absolutely, lindsey, this is something that could very well, and i suspect is going to backfire on joe tacopina. when you have witness whose can be sympathetic or you have sensitive topics in front of a jury, you have to be very delicate as to how you ask these

questions. that's why i believe we see the change in tone. i want to go back quickly to the question we asked earlier, because it was a point i forgot to make. part of what tacopina did was to accuse the judge of being bias against donald trump because of the negative rulings he was getting. the significance here is this is a theme we're seeing with donald trump's defense attorneys over and over again where basically, if it doesn't go my way, i'm going to shout it's unfair and i can't get a fair trial. i'm glad to see the judge push back on this. this is an example of how we need to avoid normalizing donald trump playing the victim which is essentially what his attorney was trying to get him to do. tieing that into what we were just talking about, joe tacopina has to be careful with dealing with the actual victim in this case, ms. carroll, so he doesn't go overboard in front of the eyes of the jury. being too aggressive could ultimately hurt his client in the long run and get them to

move to the point of a preponderance of the evidence that more likely than not she was telling the truth as opposed to in the court of law where the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. >> ron, how much longer do we expect carroll to be on the stand, and how much longer do we expect the trial to go for? >> reporter: the judge said approximately five to ten days. that's a big space. we're at day four now -- day three on the stand, day four of the proceedings. we suspect -- today the judge said something to the effect that things are on schedule as best he could determine, the witnesses to come and where the case is right now. again, we expect her to be on the witness stand for the rest of the day. they're at lunch now. they resume around 2:00 and go to a little after 4:00. there's a few hours left of testimony to come and then there's redirect. again, so much is at stake in what she says and what the jury believes or does not believe

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protesters and riot police are clashing in the streets of paris once again today in a mayday showdown over president macron's deeply unpopular pension overhaul. the 13th day of mass demonstrations against the reforms which, by the way, survived court challenges and no confidence votes to become the law of the land. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel is in paris. your live shot throughout the day has been extraordinary. what are you seeing? >> reporter: we are now in central paris. this is where many of the clashes have been taking place. it is now starting to be later in the evening here. the sun is just starting to go down, and often in protests like this, and this is not the first time there have been protests on this issue in paris, things get

much more tense and occasionally more violent. to set the scene here, some of the demonstrators are still camped out in the center of the square, they are holding this ground. they say they're trying to shut city, show their opposition to this new law which has yet to be implemented. around the edges of the square are the riot police. you can see some of the riot police just down there holding their shields and face masks, backed up by ambulances. occasionally, and there's not a real pattern to it, but every 20 minutes or so the riot police will rush in and try to either arrest someone who has been particularly disruptive or just disperse the demonstrators. it's generally not been successful. they've been firing lots of teargas. occasionally the demonstrators will kick the riot police if they can find them on their own, push them out, grab the teargas, throw it back onto the riot

police. there have been these running battles here in the square. as you mentioned, this is all about the change of the retirement age. the retirement age was 62. it went to 64. it had yet to be implemented. people here don't want it to be implemented. they say if it is implemented, that it changes a fundamental human right, the right to enjoy their lives. people i've been speaking to here san jose they don't want to live on this work more and more years. the government says it has no choice because of simple demographics. people are living longer, not having as many children as they used to generations ago and if the system continues as it is right now, they will go broke and there isn't enough money to sustain it. out here demonstrators don't accept that argument. they say there's plenty of money out here, plenty of money that wealthy individuals and corporations have and they should be paying more so the

french can maintain and continue to enjoy what they consider a work-life balance which is central to french culture. >> richard, is the idea here from these protesters that maybe they can grind the country to such a screeching halt that this law, this plan won't be implemented? what's their plan moving forward? >> reporter: you said it perfectly well. that is exactly the plan. so about two weeks ago this law was passed. it was a very controversial law. the way it was passed was controversial. there was a kind of presidential decree that went up to this country's version of the supreme court. the supreme court upheld the law, and now we are just waiting here for the law to come into effect. it is probably going to come into effect some time this fall with an announcement expected to come on bastille day which is on july 14th. the protesters want to grind this country to a halt in order to get macron to blink, in order

to get him to not implement this law, cry uncle, surrender and go back on this plan. so far no indications at all that he plans to change the policy, but it is not just coming out into the streets. the protesters also plan, and the protesters are backed by the major labor unions in this country, in particular the power union which controls the electrical grid. the power union said it's going to try to cut power to the cannes film festival which is two weeks away, also cut power to the french open which is about a month away. so many, many things that they still have in store between now and the fall to try and pressure the government into not implementing this law. and a two more big ones that they have in store is air traffic control.

today, many flights were disrupted in this country because air traffic controllers have been on strike. in fact some flights over france were also disrupted and the olympic games. they don't want the olympic games to go forward, and they plan to block access to the construction sites that are still underway to get the olympics ready for summer of 2024. >> richard, any idea what the bangs are that we keep hearing while you have been talking? >> yes, they're generally flash grenades, so these are things that the protesters are using to attract attention. they're not full of shrapnel, but they do make a tremendous amount of noise. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much, be safe. china claims to be stepping in to try to bring russia and ukraine to the negotiating table to put an end to the brutal war. their idea, sending a senior chinese diplomat to europe who received the medal of friendship from vladimir putin himself. i want to bring in nbc chief

international correspondent keir simmons, is the pick raising skepticism of whether anything meaningful can be done here? >> reporter: there's lots of skepticism, of course, but if you think about the diplomacy around the war in ukraine, then if you think about it as kind of a game of poker, then china just revealed the card. that is the seasoned diplomat, 70 years old, and what we have been doing is doing what the national security council, the state department is doing or should be doing looking at who he really is. it's fascinating, in 2016, he wrote an article where he talked about china needing a powerful russia. he wrote that in a russia foreign ministry newspaper. in 2020, he wrote a communist party, affiliated think tank article, and he said that moscow and beijing should be back to back and shoulder to shoulder. he does appear to be, and remember, again, this is the

diplomat that china is going to send to ukraine and other places in europe as their representative for negotiations or at least the possibility of negotiations. he does appear to be pro russia or at least he is certainly deeply steeped in russian history. he was ambassador to russia for ten years, and we actually spoke to an academic who knows him -- has known him for ten years. he says he's fluent in russian, reads russian classics like tolstoy. he says during the crimea crisis in 2014, he acted to try to negotiate back then, and he says moscow is the best possible choice. >> keir simmons, thank you for that report. and a new piece in the "new york times" dives into how hundreds of russian men refusing to fight are now facing serious legal consequences. the journalists behind that new reporting joins us ahead. plus, could a computer be behind the next billboard

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a recent hit featured two superstar musicians didn't actually include the two artists at all. now there are growing concerns about how artificial intelligence can generate chart topping songs. it sounded an awful lot like the world's best talent. nbc's steve patterson has more. >> it was the latest smash hit track from mega artist drake and the weeknd until we all learned it wasn't. it's artificial intelligence, anonymous creator, ghost writer 997 said he generated the artist's voices, fueling ai first viral hit, "heart on my sleeve." we wanted to find out how it actually gets made.

>> we're going to create a track. >> singer, creator and former american artist terra sutherland. >> it's now something ai can be a collaborative partner on. >> reporter: so at her studio, we asked her to make a drake/katy perry mash up entirely using ai. >> it starts by asking us a few basic questions. >> first the ai wrote the actual music! pretty good. >> it's a start. >> that's amazing already. >> then we decided on beat. >> midnight, fast car, da club, dark lights. >> then it was time to bring in the lyrics, within seconds. >> dishing is what i seek, and i won't stop until my soul is complete. >> the club is packed but i feel alone, everyone's dancing but i'm on my own. >> with help from tarren, we laid down the vocals.

>> in the night sky i see my past and i amass. >> all that was left was to dub our voices with ai general -- generated of drake katy perry. sounded much like the real katy perry. and our ai drake ♪ regretting the pain redemption is what i seek ♪ >> very similar to the real drake. >> ♪ you used to call me on my cell phone ♪ >> streaming services pulled hard on my stream but not before 10 million lessons. universal weeknd group says it has a fundamental responsibility to prevent the way it uses the services in ways that harm artists. >> some are embracing it. grimes said she would split 50%