summit series. we talked to a lot of different people, bill gates, eric schmidt, but we also want to learn how people get up the mountain, as we called it, up the proverbial summit. that means checking in with people we haven't heard of in industries that might not be front and center. video games for me, could be engineering for someone else. really interesting to hear him discuss how he built up value and took an industry that appeals to many, 3 billion people, obviously includes a lot of different people, and yet at that leadership level, as he said, was still largely closed off. again, thanks to reginald cash. you can find that at msnbc.com/ari. you can also always find me at @arimelber on social media. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" --

>> my heart is with this 8-year-old little boy. i don't care if he was here legally. i don't care if he was here illegally. he was in my county. five people died in my county, and that is where my heart is. >> yet another gun rampage. this time in texas. governor greg abbott, who has done much to boost the nra culture of guns before kids in that state, wasted no time reducing the murder victims, including a 9-year-old child, to, quote, illegal immigrants. also tonight, e. jean carroll was back on the witness stand today, facing cross-examination about her allegation that donald trump raped her. where was trump? well, he was 3,000 miles away in scotland, digesting the news the judge had rejected his motion for a mistrial. and roy wood jr. is here to talk about his best zingers against clarence thomas, tucker

carlson, and the president himself at this weekend's white house correspondents dinner. we begin tonight with america's gun crisis on full display once again with unimaginable horror in texas. on friday evening, in cleveland, texas, five people were shot to death including a 9-year-old boy. the suspect had been firing a semiautomatic rifle in his yard when his neighbor, wilson garcia, asked him over the fence to stop so his baby could sleep. according to authorities, the suspect responded that he would do whatever he wanted at this house. he then went into his home, grabbed an ar-15 rifle, the doorbell camera captured him walking over to garcia's home where he shot and killed five people. here are the five victims. diana alvarado, 21. garcia's 9-year-old son, daniel, and garcia's wife, sonya guzman, 25. julissa rivera, 31, and jose

jonathan cesarez, 18. the gunman shot them in the head, execution style. two of the women who were killed were found with their bodies laying across the children whose lives they saved. the gunman is still at large. soon after that, a different type of carnage emerged, the moral kind, when governor greg abbott described the victims as illegal immigrants. to use a massacre in which five people including a child were slaughtered execution style to score political points and demonize immigrants is a sickening new low for this governor and his party, who love guns but not so much children and immigrants. and governor abbott, what you said is vile and gross. it may not even be true. we actually do not know the victims' immigration status, not that it matters bah human lives, brown or white, american or not, deserve protection and empathy. it's actually a governor's job, your job, governor abbott, to

insure their safety. but under your leadership, governor abbott, texas has become a killing field. some of the deadliest mass shootings have taken place in texas including in uvalde where 19 children and two adults were killed despite the presence of 317 police officers, and it is you, governing abbott, who has pushed for dangerous policies that weaken your state's gun crime laws. you signed permitless carry into law in 2021. less than two years after mass shootings in el paso and odesa which left 30 people dead. while you're obsessed with demonizing latino migrants and the border bogeyman, which you have called an invasion, no racism there, i'm sure, and you blame president biden for that so-called invasion, you, governor abbott, have ignored an actual invasion, the invasion of death culture into your party and state. like how in an average year, nearly 4,000 people die by gunfire in texas. and your state's gun laws which

are so weak a person can buy a gun and carry it concealed in public without passing a criminal background check or taking firearms training. texas even allows some staff and teachers to carry firearms into k-12 schools, not that that helped the kids in uvalde, which brings us back to the border, the one you want to wall up to stop the flood of migrants and drugs. but you know what's really flooding through the border and not in the direction that many would assume? guns. from the u.s. into mexico. because you see, mexico has only one gun store, and it is located inside a heavily guarded military base in mexico city. perthe l.a. times, you need months of background checks and six documents plus frisking to even go inside. mexican nationals can only purchase a single pistol for self-protection. that poses quite the challenge for mexican criminal gangs and cartels. which makes lax gun laws in

texas so appealing to criminals across the border. per the guardian, mexican cartels can drive to any texas gun shop and legally stockpile guns. another indication that guns flow into mexico from the u.s. is that ar-15s are banned in mexico, but are often recovered at mexican crime scenes. america's weak gun laws don't just hurt americans. they're also helping mexican drug cartels get their hands on weapons overseas that are banned in their own country. maybe we should build that wall after all, but to protect mexico and have greg abbott pay for it. the suspect in friday's shooting whose name is francisco, and again, who is still on the loose s a mexican national who wouldn't have been allowed to purchase an ar-15 in his home country, meaning the only way that he could even pull off this massacre is because here in america, and in greg abbott's texas, ar-15s are plentiful.

as are the funerals. joining me now is julian castro, who served as u.s. secretary of housing and urban development under president obama, and angela zuballa, who recently became the first ever executive director of moms demand action for grassroots -- i'm sorry, for grassroots of every town for gun safety, the first african american director, i should say, there have been other directors. you're the first african american director. i'm going to go first to julian castro, if you don't mind. this is your state, julian. your thoughts on your governor instead of focusing on the dead, including a little boy, deciding to use this as a fresh opportunity to demonize brown migrants. >> this is the m.o. for today's republican governors in so many states. today in the republican party, if you want to be taken seriously as a potential national candidate, you have to show how cruel and inhumane you

can be toward certain vulnerable people, including immigrants. and it takes your breath away how dehumanizing people like greg abbott are toward immigrants. he says i'm going to put out a $50,000 reward in one breath as if he cares, and then in the other, simply labels them as illegal immigrants. not only that, he had to backtrack today, a spokesperson for his office, because at least one of those people was here in the country legally. and you know, we shouldn't even be talking about their immigration status. i was really happy at least to see the sheriff of that county say that that doesn't matter. we're talking about five people who were murdered, including a little boy. on top of that, as you noted, this is a governor who has gone out of his way to make it a shoot first ask questions later kind of state. a permissive gun culture, the

wild wild west where anything goes, anybody can get ahold of a gun, refuses to increase the age limit for getting these assault weapons from 18 to 21, much less banning assault weapons. doesn't want universal background checks, went back on a promise made by republican leadership to do something after more than 20 people were slaughtered in el paso at that walmart four years ago. and so there's hypocrisy, there's cruelty, there's politics, all combined into this deadly brew in my home state of texas. >> and it's arguable, angela, that he doesn't care. the uvalde parents have come forward and said please do something. they have asked to have the age for purpose of semiautomatic rifles raised from 18 to 21. he doesn't care about that. it's not just texas. nikki haley, her new fresh idea other than demonizing joe biden's age, apparently she's allowed to do that, no one is allowed to say anything about her, but she can do that s to come out and pose with a gun as

if she's a female war lord. and the statistics say the south is the most dangerous part of the united states. let me read you from politico. and it's not even close. the south is by far the most dangerous. after uvalde, greg abbott swatted back suggestions that the state could save lives by implementing tougher gun laws by proclaiming chicago, l.a., and new york disprove that thesis. in reality, the region the big apple comprises most of is far and away the safest part of the u.s. mainland when it comes to gun violence, while the region's florida and texas belong to have per capita firearm death rates, homicides and suicides that are three times higher than new york's. it's the southern swath of the country where the rate of deadly gun violence is most acute. regions where republicans are dominated state government for decades. it's the south and the guns. period. >> that's right. it's definitely guns. this is a uniquely american problem. we are talking about having this being the leading cause of death in our country now for kids and

teens. it's absolutely ridiculous. the leading cause of death. and while i do agree that in these southern states we have some issues, we definitely have to address and make sure that we're not weakening gun laws. we know vonger gun laws can save liengs. one thing i really feel positive about is we also have a lot of activism happening. unfortunately, we have a country of survivors. but those survivors are turning their pain into purpose and standing up. i was just in austin, texas, a couple month ago with some volunteers and had an opportunity also to be with the families of uvalde. the fact they're showing up in their pain to push their elected officials to do the right thing and take care of texans in that case, and really, we're doing this across the country, so yes, i would say this is something we have to look at as far as our southern states. we have to look at how they're politicizing this issue when the american public want to see stronger gun laws. >> and it isn't that there's something that is unique about the south in terms of villainy.

there are mental health issues in the north, the south, the east, the west, in europe, in canada. you know, in the caribbean, but the southern states are almost entirely governed by republican legislatures or republican governors, and they're systematically weakening gun laws in those states. there's a reason new york city is the safest big city in america. strict gun laws. you can't carry a gun into the walmart. so i'm not -- i'll be honest, i'm not afraid to go to a mall in new york. i am deathly afraid to go to a mall in a state like virginia or texas or florida. i wouldn't because people can walk around with guns. in a state like florida where they're trying to make it easier during spring break, are people even sober walking around. anyone can have a gun and walk anywhere you want. in texas into a mental institution you can take a gun. it's madness. and so it is not that the south is somehow uniquely a bad place. it's that they have uniquely weak gun laws. i don't know how else to put it.

>> how many hints do we need that it's the guns? we seep saying over and over that it's the guns and the data bear out where you relax gun laws like this, you see more of these incidents. what's happening in texas, joy, is it really is setting up this culture of shoot first and solve your problems later. and as you mentioned, you have people that are more worried now of course about their kids when they go to school. you have folks that have to look behind their shoulder when they go into big events or into a mall. or now, think about what the reaction is going to be from their neighbor when they go and say, hey, can you keep the noise down? or can you cut your grass, or something else that might cause conflict, you mix that with people drinking alcohol, everything that goes into daily life that in and of itself is not evil or necessarily bad, but when you combine that with guns

everywhere, with permitless carry, with these laws that make no sense, including putting them into the hands of people that never should have gotten them in the first place, this is what you get. and the thing is, it's not going to get -- it's not going to decrease. this is only going to increase. there are going to be more victims, more families that are mourning those victims. there are going to be more survivors that have to deal with the lifelong trauma and life changing circumstances of these incidents, so at the end of the day, there needs to be a greater and greater sense of urgency among all of us, especially in these red states, but also among legislators to change these laws. >> i mean, after what happened in sandy hook, connecticut passed stronger gun laws. it's a safer state now. colorado has passed stronger gun laws. it's not that complicated, and young people are really leading this in the south, in places like tennessee, in places like texas. young people have had it. they're tired of growing up as being the mass shooting

generation. but you are the first african american leader of every town, and for black communities, there is a disproportionate set of deaths by gun violence as it is, both in this country, and by the way, in the caribbean. where we have exported extraordinary amounts of guns. they don't get them in jamaica and st. vincent and the grenadines, those come from here and they're killing black people overseas in the caribbean, a lot of brown people in mexico. those are american guns killing people all over our hemisphere. talk about your unique position in trying to be an advocate both for gun safety and for the collective community of people of color. >> i'm happy to step up in the time that this is a public health crisis. and it does disproportionately impact black and brown communities. i'm standing on big shoulders. not only shannon watts who was a founder of moms demand action, but also black and brown women doing this for decades in our communities. we often see in the news some of

the most horrific scenes when we think about mass shootings. by the way, more mass shootings have happened than actual days in the calendar year at this point in time, which is ridiculous. what we have to also remember is daily gun violence plagues our communities as well. and it's felt by black and brown communities in particular. i think this representation matters, and me stepping up in this time where we have a movement not only that shannon has helped to spark with our volunteers and students and survivors across the country, but black and brown women in communities doing this good work. i'm here to roll up my sleeves and continue to a place where we can live without a fear of violence. >> the fear of going to a school, the mall, the supermarket. maybe people will wake up and listen when other countries start telling their tourists don't come here because it isn't necessarily safe to go toaustin, to go to miami, to go to virginia beach, because everyone has guns everywhere. trust me, people from overseas, i have relatives that live

overseas, they don't understand this country and why we're willing to live with constant fear of being shot dead everywhere, including school or your house, now in your home. julian castro, angela ferrell zuballa, thank you. trump's attorney tries to get the judge to declare a mistriem in his manhattan rape trial. we'll see how that went over when "the reidout" returns. ns they have you surrounded. you're just gonna stand there? or are ya gonna take your lawn back. we're gonna take it back. we're gonna take it back. with scotts turf builder triple action! it gets three jobs done at once - kills weeds. prevents crabgrass. and keeps your lawn growing strong. glorious! -agggghhhhhh! -aaagghhhh. no no no. get a bag of scotts triple action today, it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it.

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. writer e. jean carroll was back on the stand for a third day in her civil trial against donald trump, alleging that he raped her inside a new york department store in the 1990s. it was the second day of cross-examination for trump lawyer joe tacopina, and he continued where he left off last week, trying to find inconsistencies in her story and attacking her credibility to convince a jury that ms. e. jean carroll's claim is unbelievable. just hours before the trial began for the day, tacopina filed a new request for a mistrial with juice district judge lewis kaplan, accusing that same judge affpervase sk, unfair, and prejudicial rulings. he took issue with the judge shutting down his questioning when he pushed carroll about why she did not scream, why she didn't tell police or attempt afterwards to seek security camera footage from the department store. he also claims that the judge mischaracterized evidence in favor of carroll as well as bolster her testimony.

the judge denied the request. joining me is lisa reuben, you were in the courtroom today. >> i was. >> what was the basis for the deial of the mistrial? did he simplisy i did none of those such things? >> he didn't even say that. he said with respect to the motion filed this morning, it's denied. take your witness. >> moving on. let's talk about a couple of the sort of elephants in the room. one is that donald trump isn't there. he's in scotland on his golf course, i think we have video of him doing that. does that seem significant or is that being played up in the trial that trump -- we don't know if he's not going to come at all, but it doesn't seem he is. >> i don't feel the absence of donald trump there, because the focus has really been entirely on e. jean carroll. she is the dominant figure in that courtroom. not joe tacopina, not her lawyers. it's really carroll commanding

the courtroom, and including the judge. the judge, the jurors, the observers, the lawyers, everyone's attention is focused on e. jean carroll. >> let's talk about e. jean carroll, some of the things joe tacopina tries to take her apart on. the fact she watched the apprentice and tweeted about the apprentice. the fact that the not screaming part is so horrendous, i don't know where he's going with that. the fact that she declared herself a fan of the show. how did she respond to things like that? >> you know, i thought that some of her admissions, joy, only made her more credible. for example, she said she had been a massive fan of the apprentice. she had never seen a competition show like that, and that she wasn't all that bothered by seeing donald trump on camera, that it wasn't until 2015 when he declared for president and his face was suddenly everywhere that she really had to confront what it meant to sort of get used to seeing him constantly. >> and so she talked about sort of the me too movement changing

the way she thought, because she was also apparently, tacopina said she was an advice columnist and when people wrote in for advice on sexual assault, she advised them to go to the police. >> it's important to understand her in the context of who she is generationally. today in testimony that was struck for being prejudicial said i'm part of the silent generation. she was clear to say the advice i gave is the advice i know to be the right advice, and yet i was raised to be docile and compliant and accommodating and not make a scene. i would never, ever, ever call the police, essentially to say look, i'm a product of 1943, when i was born. and generationally, i still fit into that, even though professionally i accomplish things that were sort of unheard of for women my age. >> she also testified friends told her don't do it, he'll destroy you. >> one friend in particular,

carol martin, who was a groundbreaking journalist, said to her, you can't go to the police. donald trump has hundreds of lawyers. he will destroy you. >> yeah, and he's trying to do that very thing. >> absolutely. >> also an attempt to impeach her on shopping at bergdorf goodman as if she should never go back to the store. >> as if a real victim avoids being retraumatized. that's where he was going with the apprentice too. instead, you wouldn't have bought 23 gifts there between 2000 and 2018, as records you produced in the case show. if you were a real trauma victim, you would have avoided seeing donald trump on screen instead of admitting you were a massive fan of the apprentice, and she essentially said i was raised to grin and bear it, to put my chin up and put myself back together. avoiding places or television shows just wasn't in my nature. >> last question, where was the jury looking during this back and forth? were they focused on tacopina or e. jean carroll? >> a little like watching a

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okay, i think it is really important that i talk to you tonight about the looming crisis that could soon pummel the u.s. economy because the consequence will affect all of us. house republicans have confirmed they are willing to push the economy off a cliff for political leverage, in plain terms they're refusing to raise the debt ceiling which is basically just paying for bills that they and the trump white house largely racked up, unless democrats and the biden white house agree to deep cuts to our future budget. simply put, they're taking america's economy hostage and saying that after a four-year christmas spending spree under trump, they'll stop playing the nation's credit card bill unless biden agreed to pay scrooge in future christmases.

you may think they want to look at defense spending since many are up in arms about funding ukraine and the woke military, but that's the untouchable third rail. instead, they want to kill large parts of biden's inflation reduction ag, the bridges, tunnels, electric cars, and guess who they think should bear the brunt of the cuts? the poor, of course, since their bill targets programs for them. the house republican bill that the media credited as a mccarthy win, would add work requirements to medicaid and expand current work requirements for the food stamp program and the temporary assistance for needy families program. the work requirements would cause some families to lose monthly food benefits or health coverage if the person would become sick and be unable to work. that would leave our most vulnerable with zero input. moodies called the republican proposal a stinker because it would effectively lay off 780,000 americans which would

also slow economic growth. it is a dangerous time to be playing these kinds of political games because a default or even the threat of a default could trigger global panic at a time when our economy is fragile. house republicans claim they're doing this in the name of fiscal responsibility, but you might ask why they raised the debt ceiling three times under trump with no preconditions while spending continues to soar. >> a debt ceiling is like giving your child a credit card, and they charge the limit all the way up. would you just raise the limit? no, you would sit down -- >> playing with america's standing at full faith and credit of u.s. government debt. i feel like you can deal with the spending in other ways which is totally legitimate. >> if you just raise the debt ceiling, the cbo has come out in the next ten years -- >> you did it three times in the trump administration. >> as we did economic changes. >> as we did economic changes. you know what those were? tax cuts to the wealthy. which added roughly $2.3

trillion to the little kids credit card. the only difference this time is that a democrat is president and republicans have a history of messing with the debt ceiling under democratic presidents to score political points. bottom line, the house bill is going nowhere in the senate because president biden, congressional democrats and most analysts agree the full faith of the u.s. is not up for debating. the question is how can he do it? with the so-called moderate republicans, when they only answer to maga extremists? late this afternoon, president biden invited all four congressional leaders, house speaker mccarthy, hakeem jeffries, chuck schumer, and mitch mcconnell to the white house next week to discuss how to avoid a debt default. joining me is congressman ro khanna of california. it's hilarious when they say it's like giving your kid a credit card. they were the kid for four

years. >> 25% of the debt, trump racked up. here's the credit card bill and kids analogy. if your kids racked up credit card bills and debt, who says i'm not just going to pay the company. so they can take your house and destroy your credit. you pay your bills. >> and the way you would respond, let's say you racked up all this debt and paid for needed expenses and you had the opportunity to raise your credit limit so you could still buy food, you could still pay bills, you would get an increased credit limit. that's what the u.s. does because we have good credit, we're able to get a credit limit increase. that's all that's asked for, and to your point, they racked up most of that debt by giving the super rich a massive tax cut. they didn't have a problem with that. >> first, you pay your bills. you get the honey, then you have a conversation. if you're part of a family, do you say okay, it's my way or the highway. here's what we're going to cut

and you tell your kids and spouse? of course you don't. you discuss. that's what this president is saying. he's saying look, let's pay our bills and then i will have a conversation about how we reduce our deficit. kevin mccarthy doesn't want that. he wants to take hostage the entire congress to get exactly his bill. what if nancy pelosi had done that, what if we had said unless you give us medicare for all, unless you give us green new deal, president trump, we're not goes to raise the debt ceiling. we don't do that because we're responsible, because we believe in compromise when it comes to the functioning of the government. they're acting irresponsibly. >> a lot of your base probably would like it if you had done that. >> there needs to be a clean debt limit increase. that's just dumb what kevin mccarthy is trying to argue. in an actual budget negotiation, what would democrats be willing to put on the table? because the reality is, we do need a green new deal. we do need to do more on climate. we do actually need things like preschool, you know, subsidized

preschool, the things that got cut out of the bill when the big infrastructure bill went through. how do those things get done? >> let's start with the fact most of the debt historically has been racked up with republican presidents. bill clinton left us with a budget surplus. here's what happened after that. we went into these overseas wars that racked up a lot of money. we had the trump tax cuts for the very wealthy. we had the bush tax cuts for the very wealthy. if we start by repealing the tax cuts to the very wealthy, and we stop a lot of these overseas wars that we don't have a defense budget that gets to a trillion dollars. >> why doesn't the defense budget get cut? >> i don't know. when we speak about defense, we talk about a one-year spending. it's almost a trillion dollars, but when we talk about the ira, $360 billion, that's over ten years. we're going to do $10 trillion over ten years. >> in this bill, we're talking about cutting things like s.n.a.p., food stamps, meals on wheels. why do republicans think it's good politics to go after

elderly people, people who could get sick and can't get medicaid. you're saying now on top of being sick, you lose your medicaid, and what do they expect to happen to those people? >> they're hoping people don't pay attention to the details. the cuts are for veterans health care, 22% cut for veterans health care. >> that part of military spending they can cut. that's fine. >> you can actually get an appointment at the v.a. that's what this is going to mean for veterans. less appointments, longer wait times. they're cutting k-12 education, early childhood education, food stamps at the time the economy is slowing, is going through tough times. you're going to take away food stamps? by the way, a great study, usa today, if you have work requirements it does nothing to actually increase work. all it does is take food away from people, which they may need to get back to work. >> where s.n.a.p. boosts the economy because it all gets spent at stores. a little side issue. you had a back and forth on the twitters with one vivek ramaswami who currently is boasting about getting who was

the only african american anchor in this business before i joined him in prime, at cnn, don lemon, boasting about getting him fired. he thinks that will be a big flag in his run for president. your thoughts on him. you have been back and forth with him online. >> when he started i thought here's an indian american, funny name, we disagree. hopefully he makes a good showing or does something well, and it was embarrassing. it was embarrassing, joy. my phone blew up with other indian americans saying make it clear he doesn't speak for us. to sit there, lecturing a black man about black history was totally uncalled for. and then he didn't have all his historical facts. the indian american community in this country owes a huge debt to the african american community. if it wasn't for the 1985 immigration reform act, my parents wouldn't have come to america, before that basically immigrants from asia and africa were not allowed to come.

it was highly discriminatory. >> it's really ironic because neither his nor my parents could ules before the civil rights act, before the '65 civil rights bill, but he's acting as if the nra somehow saved african americans in the civil war. the nra wasn't even formed until 1871. he doesn't know anything about african american history, he clearly doesn't know the reasons for the civil war because he thinks the purpose of the civil war was to get black people the right to bear arms. what? >> the last i checked, dr. king, it was a nonviolent civil rights moment, so the fact maybe some of them had guns to protect themselves, they weren't advocating the use of guns. they were advocating nonviolence. he's saying any individual should have the right to talk about black history. of course, everyone should have the right to talk about it. but they should be informed opinions. they should be opinions after you have read history books, and ones not with arrogance, but

with humility, especially if you're talking to someone who has actually studied and read that history. >> i guess being fluid in your ellifluous ability to speak, don was right in that airport. appreciate you being here. >> up next, roy wood jr., the host of this year's white house correspondents dinner joins me to recap the celebration of the first amendment. be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ for adults with generalized myasthenia gravis who are positive for acetylcholine receptor antibodies, it may feel like the world is moving without you. but the picture is changing, with vyvgart. in a clinical trial, participants achieved improved daily abilities

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and hell, i'd call fox honest, fair, and truthful, then i could be sued for defamation. >> got some good lines. the president also poked fun at himself and his age. >> look, i get that age is completely reasonable issue. you might think i don't like rupert murdoch. that's simply not true. how could i dislike a guy who makes me look like harry styles? call me old. i call it being seasoned. you say i'm ancient. i say i'm wise. you say i'm over the hill. don lemon would say that's a man in his prime. >> biden also struck a serious note, giving a special shout out to brittney griner and her wife

who were in attendance and calling for the freedom of journalists and others americans wrongfully detained abroad. >> journalism is not a crime. evan should be released immediately along with every other american held hostage or wrongfully detained abroad. >> the event was headlined by the daily show's roy wood jr., and he did not hold back. >> i think the most insulting scandal to fall to the feet of the biden administration was placed at the feet of our madam vice president, the scandal of what does kamala do. which is a disrespectful question. that's a disrespectful question, because nobody asked that question of the vice president until a woman got the job. i don't know what mike pence did. the only thing i know about mike pence is he's really good at playing hide and seek at the capitol. drag queens are not at a school to groom your kids.

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court justice. [laughter] do you understand how rich you have to be to be a supreme, a black one on top of that. there's only two in stock. [laughter] and harlan crow owns half the inventory. [laughter] we can all see clarence thomas, but he belongs to billionaire harlan crow. that's what an nft's. >> that's a taste of what roy wood brought to this weekend's white house correspondents dinner. he went after everyone, including biden and trump, fox, george santos, don lemon, you name it. joining me now is roy wood junior, correspondent for the daily show. that was a good set, man. >> thank you, i appreciate that. >> it was good. >> thank you for laughing and understanding everything i was trying to do. because i'm looking around the internet, and not everybody understands the oscillation of what you are trying to do.

>> in the modern era, people don't understand comedy anymore. people used to understand comedy, even the back and forth with don lemon, it's jokes, it's not a beef. >> what people miss is because they have an opinion about don, to use my joke to push, yeah, he got him, hit him. you missed what i was trying to say about making sure that if you are -- ask real questions on air, you replace him with another black journalist, ask real questions on air. we got to see what's going to happen over there after, post -- you also got to be like they say in boxing, watch for the hook. what's going to happen on the other side of that? where does the network lay on the other side of that? i try to do the charles barkley little joke or whatever. i don't know if people connected that. we were in this era of i ever want to cancel you for what you said, or i'm going to take what you did and amplify it. >> what's your approach to doing this? this is a different era for comedians. i know it's challenging.

what was your approach to coming up with the set and what you are going to talk about? the clarence thomas joke was brutal. i loved it. >> myself and the rioters wanted to make sure -- i felt like i was operating with one hand behind my back. most of the audience only knows me as a daily show correspondent. that ain't my standup. i have to introduce you and introduced me as a stand up and still honor the nature of the roast. i ended up -- the guy i watched, you go back to watch all the old roasts to see and study the game tape. it was said the entertainer doing the bush years, the gw years. okay, i think that's my pocket. >> kind of that pocket. >> where you can joke a little bit but then you can sit with something that's more standup comedy, it's very conversational and chill, a little stress and a little smooth. i was like, okay, i think that's the way for me to package my material. and then kind of do a joke for y'all and do a joke to show you why am. >> let me show you one more.

this is a good one. this was about biden's age. take a listen. >> we should be inspired by the events in france. they rioted when the retirement age went up two years to 64. and they rioted because they didn't want to work until 64. meanwhile, in america, we have an 80-year-old man begging us for four more years of work. [laughter] begging. begging. [applause] [laughter] let me finish the job. that's not a campaign slogan, that's a plea. let me finish, let me finish! >> by the way, in france, they are still marching, it's today. >> it's not over. >> and they are really about their meat time. i think the funniest comedies about real things. it's about, relate-able basic things. age, whether you want to keep working, whether you want in

france their actual personal time back and not devote themselves to work, is that how you formed your best comedy, from real stuff? >> that's what my actual standup is. if you look at my any hour specials i've done for comedy central, it's all about real issues. i try to find a different angle or prism through which to enter its. when i sat with the rioters for the dinner i was like, okay, here are the things i want to talk about. i want to talk about scandals and that the media coverage but then also talk about how the media itself is suffering from its own scandal, from pay walls and funding, layoffs which creates racial blind blind spots within the staff, which means certain stories don't get covered. spots and that is part of what i wanted to talk about and the importance of black media still being relevant. it's their job to cover the blind spots in the mainstream spots. you don't always get an opportunity to shine a light on. it from that, i make it funny. >> absolutely. >> that's the part. >> i talk to roland martin out there just trying to do that black media thing. last one, great joe biden's --

>> a plus. i met two of them. what did you think? i had to drop to jokes. the rupert murdoch joke, i had a rupert murdoch joke and i was like -- >> he took care of it. >> yeah. it's like marjorie taylor greene in there, i'm not going to go on that. i was like, okay. while biden is up there, i'm texting my writers. until the prompter operator, get the rupert murdoch joke out of there. >> you did an excellent job. it's not an easy job to do, to be funny in a room where you are making fun of the people in the audience. brilliantly done. >> i'm so happy when i did that comedy joke i looked over and to give me that smirk, -- >> she can give you the bobble look instead. she >> gave me that mr. miyagi -- >> roy wood junior, thank you. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. h chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in -- >>