are here to send a message to the country. and quite frankly, to the world. the free press is a pillar. maybe the pillar of free society. not the enemy. it is absolutely consequential and essential, after all, i believe in the first amendment. not just because my good friend jimmy madison wrote it -- [laughter] the. >> the president also advocated for the release of washington journal reporter evan gershkovich and other americans who are detained overseas. most importantly, though, the dinner raises money through the white house correspondents association scholarships. and that is an excuse for all of us to get together and show of our best black tie, which has resulted in many best dressed lists. but of course, for yours truly, i made only one. george santos's best addressed, go figure, better luck next

year, stephanie. on that note, i wish you all a very good night from los angeles. it is only 9:00 here, i might have to go out after this, from all of our colleagues, you have the networks at nbc news, thanks for staying up late, i will see you at the end of tomorrow. >> happy made it to all those who celebrate, and hopefully we all do. this, i'm sorry to say, was columbus ohio this weekend. a gentleman very bravely wearing ski masks with sunglasses over the eyeholes along with matching little coordinated outfits that make them look like assistant managers at a tire store, these gentlemen in columbus are part of a neo-nazi group and i don't say that as a general matter, it's not just something i'm surmising from their look i say that because they are really not being subtle about it.

they are, in fact, flying a gigantic swastika flag. very subtle, what's your point here guys? again, this was saturday, this was this weekend, 2023 in columbus ohio. and i want to be able to say that it is nothing particular to ohio, certainly we have seen these kinds of displays and other states recently. but of this is ringing a bell, from columbus, if this is a ringing a bell for you it maybe because this footage, here, was from just a few weeks ago. from march in wadsworth ohio, just outside of akron. we covered this on the show just a few weeks ago when greater akron ohio had their own big nazi outbreak. this was just a few weeks ago in march of this year and then it was just last week in ohio where we got the announcement of federal charges for another neo-nazi charged with trying to burn down a church just outside of cleveland ohio.

molotov cocktails thrown in an arson attack on a church this nazi stuff, it's like it started off as one little issue spot in ohio but it's clear it's not a bug, it's a rash. and it is oozing and spreading all over, it's disgusting. but it really doesn't help to pretend that you can't see it, ohio. and it's not like it's hard to follow the plot here about what these guys are doing in each of these instances these nazi groups are turning out in ohio and the reported motive behind the attempt in arson at the ohio church, it's all for the same reason. to harass and intimidate trans people and queer people. this thing this wreak weekend with the guys in the red pajamas suits and the swastika flag, that was outside a drag brunch that was being held in a local columbus ohio business. a drag brunch that was to benefit a nonprofit called kaleidoscope youth center.

not season showed up outside that this weekend. when it was the wadsworth ohio nazi show of force a few weeks ago that was also outside a drag performance. also, the church arson just outside cleveland, that was targeting a church holding family friendly drag events. it's all one idea because did not cease in america. not season america, these days, they have their cause. they are doing this stuff in part for the same reason they are doing it in florida all the time now. in other states. first is to try to intimidate and free people out, but it's also to try to desensitize us to swastikas and nazi imagery of all kinds and the presence of nazi's on our street corners and public areas. it's so we expect it, i guess. so we are maybe not so shocked by it as much. if you are not down with that, though, if you are not excited by little nazi's blooming everywhere these days, it might give you some pause, right, if you realize that the reason

these nazi's keep turning out, the reason these notches are out there in the streets and on the street corner and in these public parks, the reason they keep doing it is that they are cheering on what you have been doing. if you started to notice what all these analyses were doing and realize what they were doing is pulling for your side. in ohio, for example, it might give you pause if you were in ohio republican. and you had been working on legislation to attack queer people and trans people. while at the same time, repeatedly, these guys and the crowds that were turning out to bolster that message to make sure that the harassment and intimidation of queer trans people is not just of state law but also a nazi fear. you might think that would give you pause in ohio to realize who is aligning himself with your cause? it is not giving ohio republicans pause, apparently.

just in the last few days they have been happy to hold new hearings on their proposed legislation to make the street knots he's very happy by further targeting trans people in ohio the cleveland scene newspaper covering these legislative hearings had to find the right sober language a few days ago to capture the testimony that ohio republicans just got in support of their bill. testimony in support of their anti-trans bill from a pastor who got up in the legislature and assured everyone that the, quote, demons of the underworld were possessing the bodies of people who are opposed to the anti-trans bill. a democratic state legislator from columbus very soberly sought to clarify that demonic possession testimony with the republicans in support of their anti-trans bill. the pastor affirm that yes, he did mean that any state legislator, even, who is jewish, or muslim, or hindu, or anything else is, according to him, an expert, he says,

according to him such a legislator is possessed by demons. and that is why the anti-trans bill is so important to him, because of all the demonic possession, particularly among non-christians who are serving in the legislature. with that matter settled, the republicans moved on to try to get that bill passed to again further target trans people who live in their state. in florida, republican legislators there are now issuing subpoenas to medical groups. for the florida psychiatric society and the american academy of pediatrics to harass those medical associations because they oppose the florida legislation targeting trans people in that state. in montana, the republican governor there just signed another bill going after trans people in montana, the 12 or 13 state to do so in the just the past few months. republican governor greg jean forte signed a bill in his

state after his own nonbinary son begged him not to. as the republicans in the state legislature voted to expel from the house floor the one transgender lawmaker in the whole state legislature. she is now, as of today, suing them to be reinstated. that's montana. in missouri, that states new anti-trans law was just tonight blocked by a missouri judge who move that a temporary restraining order is warranted against that new law for at least a couple new weeks. the judge's ruling tonight in missouri says that missouri brick publicans implementing their new anti-trans law would subject trans marines to, quote, immediate and irreparable loss, damage, or injury. that missouri court blocking the republican anti-trans law in that state. that, of course, follows the federal department of justice. bringing in new federal lawsuit against a republican anti-trans

law in tennessee. that lawsuit was filed in wednesday just last week by the civil rights commission at the u.s. department of justice. and then there's the blue states. the democratic led states that are trying to head the stuff off in their own way in a different way they are at least trying to provide people some safety some places to hide from these kinds of laws that republicans and their uniformed ski masked cheerleaders are now pursuing everywhere they have power. we saw it happen in minnesota a few days ago. the democratic governor there tim wallace sending legislation to provide legal protection to people from other states, families and individuals from other states who need help. people who have to leave the state where they live in order to get gender affirming health care or to get an abortion. so if you are home state now banned the kind of health care you need as a transgender person or if your home state now bans abortion, if your state is one of these republican led states that is

now threatening to bring prosecutions against you or against your doctor for seeking this kind of care, minnesota law officially now says we will provide you refuge. you can come here, you will be safe here. this was the headline in the league in the minnesota story commune. quote, the minneapolis star tribune, new laws make minnesota a refuge for abortion and gender affirming care. people traveling to minnesota for abortion or gender affirming care will now be shielded from legal consequences under new laws signed by democratic governor tim walz. and minnesota is among the latest but they are certainly not alone. the democratic governor in colorado, the democratic governor of new mexico just recently signed a similar shield laws to protect people who are fleeing republican states to protect doctors who republican states are threatening to come after even in states where abortion is legal and then there is

washington saying the pacific northwest you might remember a few weeks ago we covered a new law passed by republicans in idaho. in idaho, the republicans there are not only banning abortion in their state. that's not going far enough for them. idaho republicans have taken it a step further. they've passed a law that would try to ban idaho residents from murray leaving idaho to get in abortion somewhere else. this means idaho republicans are explicitly threatening to bring prosecutions against doctors and other states for providing abortions to idaho residents while they are not in idaho it's like your states politics stain you personally and you are never allowed to wash it off. the idaho ban threatens their own states residents. it threatens idaho residents for leaving the state. it threatens anybody helping in idaho resident leave the state,

and it threatens doctors in other states where abortion is still legal, just an incredible thing that idaho republicans are trying to do. but i was struck at the time we first covered this a few weeks ago. i was struck by the personal, put my name on it intervention. from the democratic governor of a state that borders idaho. washington state's democratic governor jay inslee, while idaho was considering that bill, which they now passed. governor inslee wrote to his republican counterpart, wrote directly to the republican governor in idaho, he wrote a letter. man-to-man, governor governor, telling him don't do it. your governor little, i write this letter to urge your veto of this idaho ban on people leaving the state of idaho to get an abortion. governor inslee explained his objections to the bill, he warned the idaho governor that this legislation would contribute further to what he described as already in exodus

of health care professionals from idaho. but then he said this, he said, quote, regardless of your decision on this bill, we welcome idaho's patients and health care providers with open arms in washington. we will care for your residents in a manner consistent with their health care needs as determined by trained medical professionals, not politicians. make no mistake, governor little. the laws of another state that seek to punish anyone in washington for lawful actions taken in washington will not stand. he says, quote, we will protect our providers and we will harbor and comfort your residents who seek health care services that are denied to them in idaho. we will harbor and comfort to your residents who have to flee your state to come here to get health care that you have criminalized he signed his name to it and idaho has seen senate

legislation but washington has agency to and since then washington governor jay inslee has signed legislation that blocked law enforcement officials and courts in washington state from aiding any other states abortion related legal investigation. it blocks police and courts in washington. from assisting other states investigations going after trans people. he signed legislation to protect washington doctors from professional disciplinary action if they provide care that is in violation of some other states laws. he signed legislation that says in washington, the data from cell phone apps that track your period, that data can't be shared without you okaying it. they cannot use that data. they cannot use those apps as evidence in every prosecution related to abortion. governor inslee is also got a stockpile of abortion pills for washington. he signed legislation to ensure that medication abortion stay legal and available in

washington, even as republicans try to ban them in every state in the country. and, you know, there is always a tale of two cities that you can tell in this country. i've always been interested in state policy, state politics, the way things shape up, and the way you can see the states not just sort of as laboratories of democracy, but you can see the states where they are trying out things that each of the parties wants for the whole country. and so, there was always been a tale you can tell about, you know, what republican -controlled states are doing, forces what they are doing in the blue states. i think if i find it probably more interesting than most, i have always been intrigued by the stories. but, you know, as much as you can see in different states, between red states and blue states, the difference in priorities, the difference in outcomes. sometimes the notable difference in seriousness or purpose among lawmakers in those two different kinds of states. for all of that, all those trends that i followed four years. this is one of the few times i can remember when democratic states, like jay inslee east

washington state, are passing not just legislation that is different than what they are doing in the republican states, not just passing legislation that makes blue states distinct from republican states in terms of policy and outcome. this is the first time that i can member when democratic-controlled states feel the need to pass legislation basically just to protect themselves from red states and what they are doing over there. governor inslee also just signed gun policy reform. in assault weapons ban. this legislation he signed last week bans the manufacture importation distribution, sale, or offering for sale of assault weapons. it specifically names guns like ar-15s and ak-47s. he also just signed new legislation saying if you do want to buy a gun in washington state you are going to need to go through a safety training. also, there is a ten-day waiting period. he just signed all of that, this man is getting stuff done in washington.

he is also leaving office. washington governor jay inslee is the nation's longest serving currently serving governor. he has been governor of washington since he was first elected to that job in 2012. he has been there for silva decade. he is now in his third term as governor of washington. given how he galloped to a landslide win in his last race, he was basically considered a shoo in if you wanted to run for an unprecedented fourth term in washington. but that is not what he wants. today, governor jay inslee of washington announced that in his words, it's time to pass the torch. joining us now is governor jay inslee of washington state, governor inslee, it's really nice to see you, thanks for being here on such a big day. >> thanks for having me. >> why did you decide that you don't want to run again? >> well, you know, it's either the birdsong or the good book, to everything there is a season. and this is the moment for a change. i said that, to some degree, during the first term, instead

of a fourth term with me was a great decision for the state. i have had an extremely effective run. our state has been so successful for the last ten years. we developed the best climate policies in the country, the best paid family league, as you indicated, we've been doing as well as possible to protect women's right of choice in taking action against, gun violence. we have set the stage for the next great chapter in washington's history in spades, so i think this was the moment. i will find some other way to be active. it's not a retirement, i'll still be fighting the climate battle in some context. so it was the right moment. >> let me ask you about the gun reforms that you just signed. one of the things that was i was reminded when i was looking over your cv and your political biography today, because i knew i was going to get the chance to talk to you. was that you did two different stints in congress. you won eight different elections for congress. you are very good at getting elected to congress.

but there was a split in between because you got elected in 1992 and then in 1994 which is a big republican here, you've got voted out after you had voted for the federal assault weapons ban. a lot of people have have attributed your lost in that one congressional race you lost, they've attribute it to your stance on guns. it's interesting to look at given the assault weapons ban you just signed for washington state this past week. i wonder if you can reflect on that passage of time and what it has taken in terms of political bravery on that issue. >> well, i did vote for it, i was like a 217 vote. so i did have some measure getting it passed. it was effective to reduce mass murders during the ten years it was on the books. i have never regretted that vote. it did play a role in my removal from congress, but i never regretted it. because i always figured no child's life was less important then somebody is office.

i never regretted it. there is a certain beauty, if you can call it that, to now as a governor be able to enforce this in our state. so i feel, if not personally vindicated, we finally got it done. i am sorry it took so long. i do want to know, to, we passed two other bills that maybe just as important as the assault weapons bill. we passed a bill that will require safety training before you can get it done. and a ten-day waiting period. that bill has been shown to be very effective towards people. we also passed a bill that will hold manufacturers liable if they act in appropriately. so, yes, i'm glad my state is moving on gun violence. the tragedies we are seeing are unacceptable. inaction is unacceptable. we have taken action, washington state, we are going to continue to do so. >> you have been not only a leader in washington but a leader in the country on climate policy, as you said, among your accomplishments and other things you are able to brag about, in terms of your time as governor. some of the most aggressive

climate policies in the country, if not the most aggressive climate policies. you also ran for president, largely on a climate change platform and on doing the right thing nationally on climate change. i wondered if you have sort of a message for your fellow democrats, and a message for the country about political bravery around climate issues. i'm struck right now by the fact that the treasury secretary said we are going to hit the debt ceiling by potentially june 1st which means that there has to be action on the debt ceiling to raise the debt ceiling right away in order to evolve, if not catastrophic default. right now, the republican legislation to lay raise the debt ceiling also winds back all the climate policy that president biden has been able to enact in his first two years in office. i just wanted your reflections on that. >> first of, i am very happy that we have a president and the democratic majority who are not going backwards.

that is unacceptable for the future of our planet and our grandchildren. so that is not going to happen. let me just tell you, if i can. what i think the sensual tenant when we talk about climate right now. and that is, i think we have to bolster our confidence and our optimism to develop a national belief that we can do this. that we can develop a quandary economy. and that is, i believe, the most central important message. yes we have to talk about the forest fires and the tornadoes in the floods. but just as it may be more important, we need to bolster america's belief that we can get this job done which we can do. today i was in everett washington where we rolled out the largest commercial hydrogen fuel cells plane every developed in world history. last week i was just over in 20 moses lake we have the first silicon valley battery under

production. the technological change is allowing us to tame this beast and i think that message of confidence is one that will see us through this republican effort to go backwards. it will not succeed. it will continue to move this nation forward. i'm actually very confident about that. i can't turn over a rock in my state without finding people who have great jobs as a result of this clean energy revolution. so let's march forward with confidence, let's not listen to the republicans nay saying and fear based. they are just fear based. they are afraid we can't do this. they are just wrong. they do not have enough confidence. we are the party of confidence right now. and that's going to win the day, i really believe that. >> governor jay inslee of washington state, sir, again i know it's a really big day, thank you for being with us here tonight. i appreciate it, sir. >> thank you rachel, keep spreading the gospel. >> i will, much more ahead tonight, stay with us.

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coming up on the 15th anniversary of the start of this program. it's very hard to believe. but there it is, when you've been on the air for 15 years, though, there are some stories i have to tell you that come up again and again in some version, some iteration stories you get used to covering repeatedly or at least you get used to the type of story that it is. a lot of election stories are like that, campaign story. even some political scandal seemed to follow like a mad libs kind of script. republican official, x, is famous for making political thing turns out secretly politician x is doing opposite of thing. like, there's a mad libs quality to a lot of scandals, right. usually politician x is also lying about the thing, and then lying about it, something sketchy about it, related to money as well. you get used to the way these things unfold.

there are stories that are types of stories that recur. a familiar cadence. but then there are stories that you think are one of the kind. stories that you think, you hope, you have closed the book on and you never have to think of them again. hoping to drag that one out of the archives, there will never be a thing like that again. well in this case, boy is this story i really hope that was true about. back in 2009 when this show had only been on the air for a year, because still at the same haircut. we reported extensively, repeatedly, on this show on a trip that was taken by a bunch of american anti-gay activists who went to the nation of uganda. it was a group of very well connected american anti gay conservative evangelical activists who traveled to africa, travel to uganda for a

big anti-gay conference. well these american activists were at that conference they spoke to a group that included legislators from uganda. the visiting americans told these ugandan legislators that in their national laws. in the law and uganda, they should have zero tolerance for homosexuality. these visiting americans flew in and told the ugandans parliamentarians that gay people are dangerous, that they were coming to molest uganda children and recruit them. that gay people were all predators on a mission to corrupt ugandans society and family values and they had to be stopped. the americans also told the uganda lawmakers, these leaders and legislators, they told them that as american experts on this subject they were able to confirm the scientific truth, they were there to attest to, which is that gay people can become straight if they want to. there is a here a cure for

homosexuality. the implication being that if you are gay that means you just don't want to avail yourself of the available care. so really you have only yourself to blame. that is the message that these american right-wing activists brought to uganda. to advise them on legislation portraying themselves as experts in the field. >> they say gays are born that way and it has been proved, it has been proven that they are born that way, that is a lie. that is what is called a lie. it is not true. >> american activist tell and you've gotten legislators. what he knows is the truth about homosexuality. that does claim to fame as a book called the pink swastika which claims it is not banalities, it's the gays who are responsible for the holocaust. those american anti-gay conservative activists presented themselves as experts on sexual orientation,

particularly experts on the science of sexual orientation. and their american anti-gay propaganda export operation worked in uganda, or at least it helped. legislators in uganda including some who attended the anti-gay conference with these experts who flew in from america, they began pushing new and a dream punishments for being gay in their country. and that is how the ugandan government came to draft what became known internationally as the kill the gays bill. it came to be called that because that's exactly what they aim to do. it prescribed death by hanging for the crime of homosexuality. there was such an intense international backlash about that proposed law that these american activists who went over there and promoted the exact thing, they tried to distance themselves from what they had done. they said they were shocked by the drastic nature of the kill the gays bill that was ultimately introduced when they got to parliament.

but ugandans who we talk to about it at the time as part of our reporting for the show. they confirmed to us that in fact those american activists had inspired the law. with their bonkers anti-gay pseudoscience and claims to expertise. now the way that story ended, at least the way most american coverage of that story ended is that the wave of international condemnation for the kill the gays bill was so overwhelming that even though the uganda government was in favor of it they ended up showing it. and again, that was chosen. but these americans who pushed that to happen, these american anti-gay conservative activists for all the damage they managed to do in uganda, here at home they really were the friendliest of the french. homosexuals are on a mission to steal your children and undermine society so we ought to make being gay illegal. that was way out there in 2009,

even four far-right republican politicians who were supportive of anti-gay evangelical groups. that was crazy sounding, in 2009, in american domestic politics. boy what a difference 14 years makes. because now that same message that gay people are out to get you, gay people, and trans people, and drag queens are on a mission to steal your children and undermine society, we need to make it illegal. today, more than anything, that is coming out of the republican party platform. in 2023, republicans could agree on nothing else. but they can agree on that. what was fringe in the republican party in 2009 is now mainstream republican politics in 2023. and when our domestic far-right is even more unleashed like here at home, guess what the implications are for that around the world? the killer gaze law is back. and it is more insane now.

and yes, right-wing americans are helping with it again. we have a very much lamented part of the story, here, live, next.

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student decided instead to talk to the teacher about it. this arizona law would create an affirmative legal obligation for the teacher, forcing the teacher to call the students parent and tell them. if the teacher didn't do it, it wasn't republicans said that teacher should lose his or her license and it should be okay for that teacher to be sued as an individual. during that same session, republicans also pushed legislation that would have banned folks like my angela's book, i know why the caged bird sings, or george orwell's 1984, or f scott fitzgerald's the great gatsby. they would all be banned. critics say that because the way that bill was originally crafted it would have made it illegal to teach anything at all about homosexuality. they could not say that it exists. what those two bills had in common is that to create those bills republicans in arizona consulted with the same far-right interest group called

family watch international. it is based in arizona. while that group is based in arizona, they really only dabble in this stuff in the united states. where they really do most of their work is overseas. this is a right-wing anti-gay group in america, in arizona, that four years has backed anti gay legislation in countries like nigeria where same-sex relationships are punishable by death, depending on what part of the country you are in. along the way this arizona group has also forged close ties with virulently anti gay activists who were enthusiastic supporters of uganda's previous kill the gays bill in march of this year just weeks ago this arizona group was one of the key organizers of a conference in uganda that hosted lawmakers, hosted elected officials for more than a dozen countries in africa at this conference, organized by an arizona conservative group. lawmakers for more than a dozen

countries gathered in uganda and promised that in their home countries they would push legislation against the sin of homosexuality. here's the head of family watch international meeting with her longtime friend, the first lady of uganda, at that conference. the first lady said that during that most recent meeting they discussed, in her words, concerned about the imposition of hope harmful practices like homosexuality. american activists taking that message. now family watch internationals efforts appear to be paying off just a few weeks ago the parliament in uganda passed a new kill the gays bill that would impose. it calls for life in prison for anybody that has gay sex. it makes it illegal to advocate for the rights of lgbtq people. advocacy would carry up to 20 years in prison as it's penalty. the white house has already come out hard against this

legislation. before i turn it over to mike >> i want to say one thing at the top, we have grave concerns over the passage of the anti homosexuality act, h a, by the parliament of uganda yesterday. increasingly violence targeting lgbtq plus people. the bill is one of the most extreme anti lgbtq plus laws in the world. human rights are universal. the one should be attacked, imprisoned, or killed simply because of who they are or who they love. >> strong criticism from the white house by the biden administration for this proposed new kill the gays law in uganda. the status of it right now is that it has been sent back to the parliament of uganda for, quote, strengthening. apparently the president of uganda wanted a provision adding regarding so-called conversion therapy to cure people of being gay. but as far as we know the state

could be reintroduced -- our next guest is joining us live from uganda. one of the most accomplished respected lgbtq rights activists in the world. he told us today the parliament in his country has issued a notice that it is going to reconsider this bill during tomorrow session. he said members of parliament have confirmed that tomorrow may in fact be the day. what that means for us here in this country is that, yes, the biden administration has already spoken out about this bill, but if they are going to turn up the heat on this, if they're going to try to use their influence to try and stop this, the time is now. the time is right now is in, tonight. joining us now from uganda's capital city is frank medusa, he is the executive director of central minority uganda. i really appreciate you being here. i know it's a dangerous time for you to be speaking out. and i also know that it is the middle of the night where you are. i really appreciate you being here, sir. >> thank you so much for having

me and thank you so much for amplifying our voice now. the killer gaze bill was just introduced. we need our voices to be amplified, not only in uganda but also in other parts of africa. this kind of legislation being introduced. >> of course, as you mentioned, we covered the initial iteration of this bill into doesn't win that was, we went through a long process, it was eventually shelved. can you tell us about the difference, is essentially a continuation of that same idea. is this worse in some ways? is it similar legislation? >> this legislation is very draconian. this legislation, and i will say it many times, it is here to erase the entire existence of lgbtq people in uganda.

but also it tries to drive ugandans into hatred. we are already seeing that happening. this could lead to people to getting disowned by their families because it -- any person who is known as an lgbtq person to the authorities, this bill is more extreme than the one that was introduced in 2009. >> compelling other citizens to report fellow citizens, fellow ugandans who they believe to be gay. tell me, we have seen some coverage in the united states, we have seen some reporting on the new york times. about lgbtq ugandans fleeing the country. and doing other places basically trying to avoid the mob justice, the vigilante violence that you are describing. if this passes, what do you think this law would mean for people, for people who are

activists like yourself? >> if this law is passed we will definitely see many more people get arrested. we will see many lgbtq people leave the country. so many of the lgbtq community is already fleeing the country, they are trying to go to neighboring kenya which is not safe as well but they feel safer in kenya then being in uganda. and we will already see in uganda they are right radicalized. but we are seeing violence, we are seeing many cases of violence, social exclusion, people getting beaten. we are seeing that increase. if this bill is passed or signed by the president, we will see many of the lgbtq community leave the country. people like myself who are outspoken, i might be arrested, many of my colleagues who are outspoken as well maybe imprisoned. >> i just have to ask you, if

it made a difference for the obama administration, for the u.s. government to speak out against this proposed legislation when we saw an earlier iteration of this years ago, and in your opinion, would it make a major difference if the biden administration, if american politicians of all stripes took a firmer stand on this, to collaborate and on this and put pressure on your country's government to not do it, would it make a difference of america stood up? >> it would matter, it would make a very big difference if they spoke directly to god and authorities. and told them how dangerous this legislation is for, the lgbt community here. and how this legislation is going to make the lgbtq community unsafe living in uganda. this legislation is a gross violation of human rights for lgbtq persons. >> frank mcgee shia, the executive director of sexual minorities uganda, taking a big risk to talk to us tonight,

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