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cabrera. jose diaz picks up right now. >> breaking news out of moscow. kremlin officials are accusing ukraine of trying to assassinate russian leader vladimir putin. what we know so far. right now in texas, the suspect behind the mass shooting that killed five people including a 9-year-old boy, has been captured, following a dramatic, four-day-long search. and we have new reporting with this case. at the border, the humanitarian crisis is worsening. men, women and children, sleeping on the streets of el paso. days before title 42 is even lifted. we'll bring you the latest. an nbc news exclusive with the widow of beloved dancer and d.j. twitch, now, opening up about her husband's suicide. the stigma that too often stops
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people from asking for help. we begin with breaking news from russia, where the kremlin claims ukraine tried to assassinate vladimir putin in an overnight drone attack. this video, purports to show an explosion over the kremlin. wait for you. it you see it in the middle of your screen. russia has provided no clear evidence to back up this claim. a spokesperson for ukraine's president told local media that kyiv had nothing to do with this alleged incident and called it an expected trick from our opponents. moments ago, secretary of state blinken was asked about this during a press freedom day event. >> i can't in any way validate them. we simply don't know. i would take anything coming out of the kremlin with a very large shaker of salt. let's see. we'll see what the facts are.
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it's hard to comment or speculate without knowing what the facts are. >> joining us now to take a closer look, chief foreign correspondent, richard engel, and military analyst, barry mccafrey, and dan delus. what do we know about what happened? >> we don't have very much verified information. i can tell you what -- how the information came out and there's some big questions about the videos that have been emerging because they didn't emerge in a very organic way. if you look at that video in particular, that video came out around 3:00 moscow time. and if you look at that video, it appears to be taken of a security camera. and if you look, one side, what seems to be a drone, coming in and exploing right before it hits the dome of the kremlin.
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on the other side, where the graphic, saying who took the video is, that seems to be the reflection of someone filming the video. you can see cabinetry behind them. and someone is backing out of the screen. someone taking video of a screen with a cell phone or another camera. this video came in around 3:00 p.m. moscow time. and it shows the alleged moment of impact by this small drone, a hobbyist-style drone. this is 12 hours roughly after the incident took place. and the timeline here is important. the way these videos came out are completely different than the way most videos come out when you have incidents like these or any kind of incident in the social media. we've been going through these very closely with our social media verification team here in london. the first video, which is presumed to be around the time of the attack, is an aftermath
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video. it shows a little bit of smoke. a little bit of debris, over the kremlin, the same dome, at 2:37 in the morning russia time. that was it. then, everything went quiet. and it went out on telegram, which is a popular, encrypted app in russia and across eastern europe. 12 hours pass, and around 3:00, several videos came out, all of them of much higher quality, including the one that you just showed, which is the highest quality, that shows not just the aftermath, but goes back in time and shows the attack allegedly happening as it happened. also, it does seem that something did happen going back to the video again. you see two people are walking up the dome's scaffolding. unknown why they would be walking the up scaffolding, but when there's an explosion, they walk back, suggesting something did happen. why would there be a 12-hour
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gap, unless people in russia were trying to get their stories straight, trying to have a coordinated release. when this video did come out around 3:00, it was the same time several other videos came out from different angles, showing the attack, showing smoke, seeing different aftermath. and that's also when the kremlin came out with the official statements blaming this on kyiv. not organic. coordinated release with a statement. >> this is really thorough. i appreciate that. there are many questions now. what is the u.s. government saying about this incident? >> they're not even ready to confirm or verify there was an alleged attack. so, in keeping with what richard was saying, they're trying to confirm anything happened, if anything happened. and you have secretary blinken
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saying, any information coming out of russia needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. they are masters at disinformation, as you know. if this did happen, the u.s. had no advanced warning. they want to get that message out. they don't want to be portrayed being part of an alleged plot, if it did happen or not. the next thing we'll find out from the u.s., is what information they've been able to gather and what they can say about this video. as richard said, it did not unfold in a typical way. >> general, what do you see? what are your thoughts about this? >> i think richard's reporting is what we need to say about it. it's almost a cam cal exercise coming out of the kremlin, with
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potentially serious repercussion repercussions. if the russians argue it was an assassination attempt under mr. putten, they are on the verge of enhanced strikes. there is zero possibility that the ukrainians thought it was a good idea to try to assassinate mr. putin, particularly if he had to have been standing on the roof of the kremlin when the strike took place. it looks as if this is a small drone. it would have had to be launched inside russia, not from ukrainian territory. and then, finally, there's enough around thekremlin. the whole thing is nonsense. the great victory parade in moscow is coming up. perhaps it's a cover for cancelling that.
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it wasn't the ukrainians, for sure. >> you talk about the parade they love to put on around these days. this is the back part of the kremlin. richard, you know, we've all been there. we've seen this area. there you see, the stands, et cetera. a few things struck me and maybe, you know, richard, your thoughts in general. when this thing is hit, right by the flag, you know, the frames that we see after that, the flag is still standing. it doesn't seem like there was any kind of massive explosion from this thing. look at that. it just gets hit and then, the flag is still -- i mean, it just -- there are so many questions, richard.
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>> to add to that, reuters video, showing the same location during daylight, shows no damage at all to that dome. so, we have several videos, one that came out early, very early, 2:37, 12-hour gap, lots of videos from different angles, including one that clearly, it seems to be, of a security camera video, taken of someone recording the screen. and then, a video afterwards showing no particular damage. the original video, the source goes back to a place called the embankment house. that is -- we looked at that on a map. it's just across the river. it seems like that was the source of the original video that just came out. a local group of residents potentially they post things to this telegram channel about events on their street. then, it went silent. who did it? if it happened, why?
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all of that remains unclear. but generally, the way videos unfold is, there's an incident and then it spreads like a nuclear reaction. it goes around the world, one to the next and then the next. as it expands, sometimes these videos can be fabricated and can change, they can get modified. this didn't happen like that. it was an initial video and silence, then lots of videos with statements, immediate blames on ukraine and ukraine, of course, said it had nothing to do with this. this would be counterproductive. and that it would only inflame the russians to take radical actions. and the last couple hours since the kremlin blamed kyiv, there's been quite a few statements from senior russian officials, calling for escalations, calling for destruction of the kyiv regime in the aftermath of this incident. >> general, do you think this is one of those, you know, operations that the russians
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have been so doing? is this something we'll a reaction to? >> it not a ukrainian long distance drone attack. low detonation before it hits the top of the kremlin. it looks like utter nonsense from that practical perspective. why are the russians putting this out there? maybe the parade. maybe about the pending counteroffensive, nine equipped armor brigades. i listened to russian state tv translated. and the rhetoric which putin is listening to, nonstop, the rhetoric out of the national tv sound insane.
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it sounds like nazi germany 1944. the desperation in their rhetoric is simply astonishing. putin may be going unstable on us and coming up on us. it's another device throwing out on the public, pending a ukrainian offensive. >> richard ankle, dan deluce, thank you. general, stay with us. we have another issue we would like your opinion on. back in 60 seconds, with the latest from texas, after a shooting suspect has been caught after a four-day manhunt. i'll see you in 60 seconds. introducing astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid-free spray. while flonase takes hours, astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can [ spray, spray ] astepro and go. - representative! - sorry, i didn't get that.
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man shot five of his neighbors execution-style, with an a.r.-15, is now behind bars. francisco oropesa was hiding under laundry, after someone called in a tip. we learned new details about some of the other individuals in custody, including the suspect's wife. joining us is nbc news sam brock. and with us is former assistant director, an msnbc national security analyst. sam, what did we learn this morning? >> reporter: the developments have been nonstop. let's get to francisco oropesa. he is facing one murder charge. that's procedural. that will be elevated to five. the d.a. here saying that capital punishment will be considered. killing a child would be
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mitigating factor for bringing capital punishment. the same d.a. discussing possible charges in another county. he confirmed that oropesa's wife is in montgomery county jail. she is being looked at of transporting oropesa to the house about 15 or 20 miles away from where the massacre happened. he was spotted during what we thought was a false flag. law enforcement rushed highway 105. that was not oropesa. on foot. and days later, only two, he's uncovered in a nearby town called cut and shoot, texas. a second person is also behind bars right now. that's two that's not the murder suspect. his name is domingo. he is facing a marijuana charge. he will ultimately be charged with abetting the suspect, as well. i just had a conversation, with the deputy sheriff who
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contradicted the reporting that we had from the sheriff of the same department, who said other occasions where gunfire was reported at the particular address of the suspect. the sheriff told me that's not correct. they looked at the cad and they've been there twice in recent years. once for a 2022 domestic violence accusation and a follow-up. those are important points to make. we're talking about someonedepo country four times, from i.c.e., and his wife claiming in a sworn statement, that he punched her with a closed face, kicked her in the mouth and the side and behind. all other details that are shedding light into the portrait of the man. we heard from someone that this is someone that never raisd his voice or showing signs of violence. a lot of information that's coming in, right now. >> so, sam, back to the 2022, when the cops went out to -- it
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was his house at the time. do we know what happened? >> we know they investigated and his wife filed for protective order, for restraining order. i asked the sheriff, once you were armed with this information, why not look at immigration status and find out what the history was here? and we didn't want to bring charges against oropesa. but a constable went to a neighboring county to track him down. and his wife did not want to pursue prosecution. how would you do that legally, given there were calls of domestic violence issues.
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there was conjecture that it was obtained second-hand. >> there's so much you're bringing us this morning. what about this other guy that there's -- he's in being held on marijuana charges? he was at the house of oropesa where oropesa was arrested? >> there's so much conflicting information. and it's hard to patch it all together. to our understanding, he was detained on a marijuana charge and somehow aided and abetted in the escape of oropesa. not that he was at the house. we don't know how many people were in the house at the time. his arrest followed the arrest of the suspect. they will not confirm whose house that was. after the arrest last night, haven't found out if it's a relative or a personal connection or why domingo would be obtained on a marijuana charge. none of it makes a ten of sense. they feel the web of the people
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involved in the escape, goes beyond one or two. right now, no more than five but several. and it's expanding by the hour. >> frank, i want your thoughts on this. so many odd things about oropesa. he has a criminal record in the united states. deported several times. able to get an a.r. 15. he had other weapons, apparently. he shot these people execution-style. was able to get away for four days. now, there's this other guy, domingo, who may be involved in some marijuana charges. what is -- what does this tell you, frank? >> there's a lot of unanswered questions and they're conflicting.
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>> what i take away from this, i'm focused on the acquisition of an assault-style weapon. by someone who is here unlawfully and would never pass a background check for legitimate purchase of a weapon. this is texas. it's easier to acquire weapons here, of course. it opens our eyes to the secondary market. and again, that so-called gun show loophole, there is no background check, for private sales, if you're buying it from your uncle or guy down the street. there's no enforcement of that. i'm focused on the nature of the fugitive hunt here. and the challenges that come up when you're dealing with someone on his daily existence, routinely, because of his not wanting to be found.n now, the traditional ways you track somebody, cell phone, atm, all that electronic stuff, has he used a credit card somewhere and where? all of that kind of goes away and is unavailable to you when
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someone is ordinarily living off the grid. we see that and he got help. i'm fascinated how he did that. he used a burner phone. his regular phone was recovered in the woods. they used dogs but there was ground water in the woods. all of this fascinating. it's over. and we'll learn more about the accusation of the gun and whether there is something they could have done about that. and four times deported. how does he get back in? how does he get that gun? all of this, let's add the questions around the response time of the sheriff's office to this neighborhood. very rural. really bad infrastructure. allegedly, a 20-minute response when neighbors are calling saying the guy is violent and threatening and shooting, come fast. a 20-minute response. we need some answers, too. >> sam brock and frank
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26 past the hour. now, the latest on the humanitarian crisis unfolding at the southern border, just days before the pandemic era border restriction known as title 42 is set to be lifted. in el paso, texas, hundreds of migrants are sleeping on the streets and homeless shelters in the city are overwhelmed. el paso and two other border communities have declared a state of emergency. nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez joins us from el paso. what's the situation like today? >> reporter: good morning.
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the city of el paso has declared a state of emergency. this is sacred heart church. this line of migrants extends for several city blocks. as you mentioned, several hundred migrants have been sleeping here on the streets in el paso overnight. i want to introduce you to one of them. she is from venezuela. he said she's tired, i spoke with her earlier, she said she is tired of not having help. she says -- she says she's been here for quite a while. it's been very difficult.
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she says she wants to go to new york, for her daughter's future. she has been frustrated. jose, this is something we've been hearing over and over again. she told me earlier, she had come here and she had heard of title 42, this border restriction, but she didn't know the details of it. she knew she had been here and come here, heard on social media, that now was a good time to come to the united states. we spoke with another woman from venezuela, who said she spent months to come here. took her four months to get her, crossing the darian gap, as well. they slept here overnight. got chilly, not cold as it was
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several months ago when we were last year. this is something we see over and over again. there's more migrants here now than there were here several months ago. it's remarkable to drive in and see how many were here. jose, you have been here before. but i can tell you, there's a concern among local officials that the problem is going to get worse. there's going to be more migrants here over the next couple days as title 42 is lifted a week from tomorrow. border officials across the southern border preparing for 10,000 crossings a day. that could be double what they're seeing right now. here in el paso, there's an influx. and local officials have having a tough time dealing with this. a state of emergency is in effect here. local officials and shelters here are overwhelmed. they need help from the federal government. i was speaking with one former city council person, who was frustrated, that the biden administration had quite a bit of time to prepare for the lifting of title of 42, and in
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their view, they didn't do it. didn't do it adequately enough. some said that the troops being sent to the border will send the wrong message. so many caught in the middle of this and they don't know where to turn. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. the biden administration says they have reached a deal with mexico, that would allow them to deport the nonmigrants back to the border. the people you see sleeping in el paso. this comes as the pentagon says 1,500 active duty troops will be headed to the border to support the border patrol. there's precedent to this move. in 2006, president bush sent up to 6,000 national guard troops. in 2010, president obama sent 1,200 national guard troops.
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in 2018, trump sent thousands of troops to the border. let's get to barry mccafrey and susan paige. general, you told us you were worried this could become a catastrophe. what did you mean about that? >> i think politely, we'll see a ramped up hinge of thousands of the poor people from central america, southern mexico, and now, increasingly, from all over the world. venezuela, ecuador, cuba, trying to come to the united states, thinking that title 42 gives them a green flag, request asylum and then get a hearing a year or so later. what do you do about it? 1,500 troops being deployed are a tiny gesture. plus, border patrol, the law enforcement organization in the world. has 60,000 employees.
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there's a couple thousand or more national guard already deployed to the border. the real question is, what are our articulated policies? 100,000 people in central america, one-third of them are in such desperate circumstances, they will try to come to the united states. why not? if you're a mother, if you have children, the injustice, the corruption, the poverty is simply unacceptable. i think the biden administration is trying to figure out what to do. 1,500 troops without law enforcement authority is not much more than a gesture. >> a blunt response, the biden administration's militarization of the border is unacceptable. there's already a humanitarian crisis in the western hemisphere
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and deploying military personnel signals they're a threat for our troops to contain. this is a humanitarian crisis. and the general has outlined how massive of a humanitarian crisis it's been. could this be a political crisis for the biden administration? >> it already is a political crisis for the biden administration. immigration is one of the issues that the white house has had a toughest time to deal with in an effective way. it divides democrats, as you saw with the statement from senator mendez. it's about to get a lot worse. you look at pictures from el paso. you can't help but feel empathy for the migrants sleeping on the streets there. they will be joined by many more people after the title 42 provisions lift next thursday. the white house knows that. they do not have in place so far, things that will prevent that from happening next week, jose.
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38 past the hour. let's look at where the markets are this morning. it seems as though they're down about -- the dow is down about 26 points. this as the federal reserve is set to make its latest policy announcement in a couple of hours. and investors are already bracing for a potential interest rate hike. joining us now with more, is courtney reagan. what are you watching for today? >> good morning, jose. you're right. the markets are relatively flat. some are waffling between gains and losses. the markets are expecting a quarter point interest rate hike. it would mark the tenth interest
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rate hike since march of 2022, the new benchmark borrowing rate will be between 5% and 5.25%. the reason the fed is trying to raise rates is to raise the rate of inflation, the rate of inflation is falling, it's still above where the fed wants it to be. raising interest rates makes the cost of borrowing money to buy a home or a car, is less attractive to borrow money. the idea is raising rates has a cooling effect on the economy, which should bring prices down. the big question is, what happens next? what does the fed do from here? will it signal a pause in this interest rate hike stretch trend because of what's going on more broadly with the economy slowing down and potentially the worries in the regional banking sector? >> this comes as two regional
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banks are re-igniting the fears about this. is the banking sector feeling secure? >> that's the thing. a lot of this has to do with the confidence in this contagion. investors woke up to the news that the u.s. regulators had chosen jpmorgan to take over most of first republic bank assets. while many hoped that action would be a contained event, to your point, jose, other regional bank stocks sold off sharply on fear that the issues the group is seeing may not be over. the concerns is that the customers will continue to pull out deposits from other banks. and perhaps the banks will lend less as rates rise. that dampens their business. there could be regulation and issues to come. among the names were trading at the lowest levels since the great financial crisis in early
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2009. so far, a lot of the regional bank names have rebounded. we'll see what the fed has to say this afternoon. but it's all about what happens from here. >> courtney reagan, thank you very much. good seeing you. coming up, the widow of dancer and deejay stephen twitch boss speaks out about his death. . like the subway series menu. just buy any footlong in the app, and get one free. everyone loves free stuff chuck. can we get peyton a footlong? get it before it's gone. on the subway app. first, there's an idea and you do something about it for the first time with godaddy.
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45 past the hour. we like to highlight the issue of mental health struggles and suicide prevention. when authorities revealed that stephen twitch boss died by suicide, people were shocked. he was talented and always smiling. but it's never simple. this morning, the "today" show's hoda kotb sat down with his widow to talk about her struggles. >> it was a shock to the country when the news broke. the guy that was always dancing and happy. wait. what? why? did you have similar thoughts and feelings? >> i feel like the rest of the world where i'm still shocked. no one is ready for that moment. there's no one that saw this coming. no one.
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and that also breaks my heart, too. but i feel so sad that he was so there. he wanted to be the strong one for everyone and i think that was scary for him that he might need to ask for help. people say a lot about what were the signs? you know, he was so much love and light. he really wanted to be everyone's superman. he said that a lot. >> everyone's superman. >> everyone's superman. he could hold so much for people. i do. i think it was hard for him to process that at the end. >> joining us to discuss is dr. jeff garcia, clinical psychologist. thank you for being with us. you know, just listening to that interview, she says he -- it was scary for him to seek help. what are the biggest barriers you think that men in particular face in when they're facing a crisis and it is scary to seek
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help? >> yeah. it's that stigma that we still have about talking about our mental health challenges. i'm not going to say mental illness or mental health problems. the mental health challenges that we have, jose, day-to-day. we have this idea that we are in our head. we have socialized as men. you have to tough it out and you can't tap into your feelings because in some ways, that will make you look weak. it's being able to understand that healthy means being able to talk about your feelings. i'm really struck what allison says about twitch being the superman. everyone's, you know, supporter. just being there for each and every person. but does it allow time for a person like that to be there for themselves? if they're not talking about their own issues, but taking on
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everyone else's issues, that can be something that is an issue, too, a problem. >> is it something that strikes at our communities in a different way? >> yes, when we're looking at the african-american, black, latino communities, there's stigmas in every culture. but for black men, for latino men, we wear these masks. and the masks are about dealing with discrimination. holding on to self-esteem. being tough. not showing weakness and what that does to us over time. it begins to erode our emotional immune system, making us physically sick, heart disease, strokes, and then, the
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psychological issues. the depression. and the anxiety and so on. what we need to learn is like everyone else. we ned to begin having the face-to-face interactions with others where we can share our >> i can't thank you enough for being with us. it's a pleasure to speak with you. i thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> if you or someone you know is in crisis, help is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. call or text the national suicide and crisis life line at 988 or text "home" to 741741. for folks that speak spanish -- [ speaking non-english ]
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>> coming up, we will turn to a brand-new report by "the new york times" suggesting inflammatory text messages contributed to a chain of events which led to the firing of fox news host tucker carlson. we will bring you the latest on that next. you are watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. s. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter.
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55 past the hour. a new report suggests an inflammatory text message contributes to a chain of events which led to the firing of tucker carlson. "the new york times" obtained a message it says was sent by carlson to one of his producers hours after the january 6 attack on the capitol. in it the fox host allegedly describes watching a video of a group of men he calls trump guys attacking an antifa kid.
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they report the message was filed as part of the dominion defamation lawsuit against fox but remains redacted from public court documents. the contents were disclosed in interviews it conducted with several people who have knowledge of the lawsuit. nbc news has not independently confirmed the contents of the text message. nbc reached out to fox news and carlson's attorneys. it has not heard back. a representative for carlson did say he had no comment. joining us now is one of the reporters who broke this story. thank you for being with us. what else was in this alleged text? what does it suggest about what carlson was thinking, i guess? >> in the text message, tucker
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carlson described how when he was watching this video of three trump folks beating up an antifa person, he said the person they were beating up -- he says that he was rooting for the mob to kill the antifa person and that he could taste it in his mouth. he could taste the idea that they were going to kill this person. then he sort of catches himself and says, you know, look at what i have become. look at what this video does. look at the emotions that it evokes in me. this antifa person is a child to someone, is loved by others. if i am reducing this image to that -- these types of feelings, how am i any better than anyone else? along with this description of how the way that these trump
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supporters were fighting was not how white men fight, it was also -- it gives insight into how he viewed the violence and how he viewed his own views of the violence. >> do you think this had a role in what happened with the dominion case? >> well, what we know is that fox executives and the board learned about the text message the day before the trial was supposed to start. now that may sound crazy. but there was some sort of mistaken that happened on fox's side that prevented them from -- that put them in this position where they did not have all of the text messages that they had disclosed to the other side. that's a huge mistake, because it put them in this position where they are learning about it at the same time that they are about to go to trial. there was a fear on the fox side
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that this text message could come out at trial and that tucker carlson could be questioned about it on the stand. >> thank you so very much. appreciate you being on with us this morning. before we go, good news that's been a long time coming. tufts medical center is reporting zero covid patients for the first time since march 21, 2020. think about that. march 21, 2020. amazing milestone. cases decline around the country. a relief for health care workers who have been on front line throughout the pandemic. many of these essential workers, people just like you and me, many of them daca recipients and more. great news. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. reach me on twitter and instagram. watch highlights from today's show online. thank you for the privilege of
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your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," russia accusing ukraine of an overnight drone attack on the kremlin aimed at killing vladimir putin, claiming their defenses took out the drones and putin was not home at the time. russian state media offering no proof, and ukraine denied responsibility. secretary of state blinken expressing skepticism about russia's claim. >> i would take anything coming out of the kremlin with a very large shaker of salt. the federal reserve expected to raise the cost of borrowing for the tenth consecutive time today as it battles inflation. . concern grows over the debt ceiling. i will speak to former obama treasury secretary jack lute. a suspect found under a pile of laundry inside a hou
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