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correspondent ken dilanian and also nbc legal analyst. ryan, what do we know at this moment? >> reporter: we know the jury will be delivering this verdict at any moment now. it's a partial verdict. we are expecting any second to find out what those initial conclusions were. we know after they deliver this verdict, whatever counts were outstanding, the judge is going order them to deliberate those counts. right now, we're unsure what counts they were able to reach a conclusion on, any one of the counts. and which ones they're still split on. they need to continue to deliberate and see if any of the holdouts on either side there were in the minority of the jurors will be able to ultimately move away from or be

convinced of. being that they have been deliberating for about a week now, although there have been some half days mixed in there, i think when they go back, it will be a bit of a challenge. and that's why the judge at the beginning of this instructed them not to come in with any firm decisions and not to go too hard with their opinions because you need to be able to move. you need to be able to be convinced and be open to hearing new argument, new evidence to ultimately reach a conclusion here. this i think is the moment here where we find out exactly after a lengthy trial that began with jury selection in december and continued with opening statements in january and went through january, february, march, april, and now may, what they ultimately -- what the justice department was ultimately able to prove against these defendants here. >> so, ryan, just because -- just to let folks know, what's the process of finding out exactly how the jury is going to speak because there are no cameras in the courtroom?

>> reporter: that's right. so there is a media room inside. we're not allowed to do any live streams from that. but there's the courtroom and a media room downstairs where reporters are watching a live stream. one of our colleagues is inside that media room right now watching that live stream waiting for the jury to deliver their verdict. we're all waiting on daniel to tell us exactly what is up with these remaining outstanding counts, and we'll soon find out what exactly the jury concluded here. >> glenn, what are you going to be watching for? just as a broader explanation, when we say they found a partial verdict, what does that mean? >> jose, partial verdicts can mean a couple of different things. it can mean they've resolved all the criminal charges against one defendant but not against another. it could mean that they have resolved some of the charges against all defendants, but they're still deliberating

regarding other charges. let me give you an example of a personal experience i had in that very courthouse trying rico cases. i prosecuted a six-month rico trial with six defendants after a couple of weeks of deliberation, the jury finally said we have partial verdicts. they came out and they delivered all their verdicts with respect to one defendant, and then the judge instructed them to return and deliberate regarding the other five defendants. jose, we went through that six separate times with six separate partial verdicts. >> glenn, let me disrupt you very quickly. let's go back to ryan. there's a verdict. >> reporter: yes. on the top charge of seditious conspiracy, at least four of the defendants have been found guilty, that is ethan nordean, enrique tarrio, and that's the one i was wondering if they were going to be able to get him on.

pazzola, we're waiting to see what the jury found there. but those four defendants were found gl of seditious conspiracy. this is a big win for the justice department. despite some of our trepidations that were happening just before this, some of these other counts i guess are what the jury is held up on. i guess that's not going to be one for the history books. the top line will be here. at least four of these defendants were found guilty of that top charge, which was the big shot for the doj here, so i'm sure there are a lot of smiles happening at that prosecution table right now. >> and the fact that enrique tarrio is one of the four found guilty on the seditious conspiracy charge, it's surprising to many, but what's your reaction here? >> if you're the government, you've crossed the finish line, you can sit back because even as

acquitted conduct one may still be able to get the sentencing court to consider that as relevant conduct. it's surprising, but the sentencing court may still be able to take that into consideration as sentencing as relevant conduct. so this is already, no matter what happens from here on out, a massive win for the government. it's surprising to me in that they are having any delay, and the one that they -- excuse me, the delay came on the seditious conspiracy. that's been resolved, but we continue appear to have an answer on what i thought were easier charges like destruction of government property. they may arrive at a conclusion there or they may have already, but it remains to be seen. this partial verdict under the rules is permissible. you have multiple counts, multiple defendants, the court will allow on those rules. it probably won't win up on appeal at the circuit court.

this is a huge win. if you had told me five minutes ago what the verdict would have been, i would have bet they would have been the lower counts, destruction of property, and anything to do with impeding an officer, not seditious conspiracy. to that me was the trickiest one. i expected the most difficulty with that lead count. >> and, ryan, we have new reporting. go ahead. >> reporter: that's right. you know, so on that secondary count obstruction of an official proceeding, what the jury hasn't reached a vesht on is dock nick pazzula. he had that shield and was breaking the window of the capitol, so the person that had the postexposure on now we sort of know that's what they were locked up on, i can sort of

explain what i think they were thinking. dominic pezzola wasn't as involved as a number of the other defendants were in this case. are while he used that shield and was part of this that day and communicated with some of the proud boys, he was not as deeply involved in the proud boys and only joined the proud boys shortly before they ended up storming the capitol. this was sort of a last minute decision for him to even come down. i think his father-in-law tried to convince him out of it. he has a family at home. he was a floor installer and had a business going that was being shut down during covid, and his family really didn't want him to go down. ultimately, he did make the decision to go down, and was in fact one of the first people to break through that barrier. when thinking about how juries are looking through this, reading it can be very difficult, but there is some

logic to that that you can follow from the jury here. they had no trouble with these broader counts reaching on that charge of seditious conspiracy against enrique tarrio which i thought was the one they were going to be having a bit of trouble here with, and i guess i was wrong on that one. >> and, ken, tarrio wasn't there physically at the january 6th -- you know, on the attack, but the jury found that he was in this specific count, guilty. >> that's right, jose. that's why this is such a significant verdict. look, this was the biggest trial in the biggest, broadest investigation in the history of the justice department. this was the most important trial because no one bears more of a share of responsibility of the violence that day than these proud boys, and they threw the book at them, and they have won in almost all cases here, getting this charge of seditious conspiracy conviction even in the case of the leader who was

not there that day. that is a very significant message. these defendants are facing lengthy prison terms. and stepping back, it's part of a broader message the justice department has sent to the perpetrators of this assault on the capitol that they will be held accountable no matter how long it takes. this is a five-month trial, costed a lot of money, a lot of man and woman power went into this, and now the justice department has chiefed most of what they wanted to achieve here, and they're still going. more than 1,000 people have been arrested, and it's not slowing down. there will be more trials and kibss, but perhaps none as significant as this one, jose. >> back to our conversation we were having shortly before the updates on partial verdicts and what that means and also what are these four individuals that were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, what are they facing? >> first of all, partial verdicts, whatever counts they

have not yet been able to unanimously resolve, the judge will simply send them back and say, please continue your deliberations. but i agree with ken, this was the grandaddy of all insurrection trials thus far, and they were just convicted on the lead count, seditious conspiracy, which carrying 20 years in prison. all the other counts -- i believe i heard they were also convicted of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, that's five years. all of the rest carry a less amount of penalty that be the lead one. i was in the courtroom watching the closing arguments, and i heard some of the defense attorneys expressly blame donald trump for what the proud boys did on january 6th. infamously, we've all heard on an endless loop, he told them to stand back and stand by, and

with his rhetoric on january 6th, he deployed them. this certainly doesn't bode well for the proud boys. i contend it doesn't bode well moving forward for donald trump. but this is a victory not just for the prosecutors, department of justice, but for the american people and for our democracy. >> i mean, the attorney for tarrio, the head of the proud boys said, the federal prosecutors were trying to make him a scapegoat for donald trump and those in power. clearly, donald trump has been front and center of certainly a lot of the defense allegations in this case. danny, what are we expecting to see going forward on this because there is that partial verdict. what are the instructions, and what do they have to do going forward? >> they can go back -- they will go back and deliberate. they may return more partial verdicts as time goes on. that could just be the way they

decided to organize it. maybe they sat down and said, let's deal with the toughest thing first. i don't know why they would do that, but who knows why jurors do the things they do. most of the time, we never find out ourselves unless we sit on a jury and enter that room. that room is a holy chamber you go into, but for whatever reason, they've decided to take on what i think is the most challenging count first. challenging in that seditious conspiracy -- conspiracy law itself can be complicated. we know from a note they sent out they did struggle somewhat with the definition and the jury instructions of seditious conspiracy, and yet, this appears to be the one they reached an agreement on earlier rather than later. so they will continue to deliberate, to come back. one of the other things that we were talking about earlier, you know, you talk about a 20-year statutory maximum, most of the time i would say when you have a

statutory maximum, that's not normally a very good forecast of the federal sentence. they will bring that sentence down, and judges can even part below the recommended guide range. that may not be the case in this situation. you might see a real sentence that approaches -- maybe not the statutory maximum, but maybe within a few years because of the severity of this conduct. this is where the judge may send a message. in most cases, i may tell you, look, the statutory max is the only knowable number, the real sentence ends up being a lot less. i'm not sure i can say that in this case, we may see some sentences in excess of 20 years if they decide to run these sentences end to end. this is a very situation for these defendants. they're going to need to make a

lot of posttrial motions and make a lot of arguments on appeal. >> ryan, what are we hearing right now from outside the courthouse? >> reporter: let's see here. we now have the full partial verdict in. we can now say all five defendants were found guilty of an obstruction of an official proceeding and aid to go abetting, obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder and aiding and abetting as well as the destruction of government property. the four of the defendants were found guilty of those top charges, seditious conspiracy and obstructing an official proceeding. dock nick pezzola is the guy the most famous in terms of the violence committed that day because he's the one that had that police shield smashing in that window during the first breach. one of the defenses i don't know if jury found incredibly credible here given they found him guilty of the other counts

was he was talking about how he could only -- because of his experience in the military, he was only capable of moving forward. he didn't know how to back up. when he grabbed this police shield, his only response to being shot at by what he can consider to be excessive force by the officers defending the capitol that day was to move forward and protect himself and keep himself safe was the story he was telling on the stand there. he did try to fall on the sword here for a lot of the other defendants. we saw some text messages afterwards, discussing between some of the defendants what dominic pezzola had done that day, showing that video and say -- someone say, recognize anyone here, and someone responded and said, i don't know, looks like george washington to me. so there was a lot of celebration even by enrique tarrio about the aftermath.

but the jury was able to overcome all of that, and the takeaway here is all five defendants have been found guilty of very serious charges, and four of the defendants have been found guilty of that top charge of seditious conspiracy. the one who is outstanding, the jury will still have to keep deliberating on whether he was a part of this conspiracy or whether he was somewhat acting on his own. >> and, ken, you were telling us just how widespread the investigations have been, but this trial has been so important for the doj. >> yeah. that's right. this was the big one because of the seditious conspiracy charges, jose, and also because the proud boys were perhaps the most organized, the most bent towards violence according to the prosecution theory of any of the organized groups that participated in the attack on the capitol that day. viewers may also want to understand how does this

investigation go with the effort to overturn the election. there's sort of parallel investigations. this was the physical effort for people to stop congress by attacking the capitol. what jack smith is investigating is a more consult but nonetheless equally dangerous effort by donald trump and the people around him to do it by written word, by spoken word, to put pressure on mike pence who has testified before the grand jury now, to use his position of authority that day to stop the count. of course, he famously declined to do that. that's what jack smith is investigating, whether the law was violated when a slate of false electors was put forward, when pressure was put on mike pence, but importantly, the link here is that it seems both the prosecute and the defense in this trial agree the proud boys

were acting in large part because of donald trump's words, because he told them to stand back and stand by and told them to go to the capitol. whether that finding figures in jack smith's investigation and decisions as to whether to charge donald trump or others remains to be seen, but it's an important connection. >> so, glenn, just taking off what we were discussing with danny a little bit ago about what these five defendants are facing, and there's four very serious counts, all five count guilty on that and four out of the five with seditious conspiracy. what do you see them facing, and what steps are their legal team going to be taking going forward? >> i was writing down the penalties for each conviction after i heard ryan rattling them off. here's what i came up with. for all five, it looks like they

are convicted of sentences that would carry a maximum sentence of 30 years in aggregate. and i know there are two charges the jury will continue to deliberate on. all five are facing at least 30, but if you add the seditious conspiracy to four of the five defendants, everybody but pezzola, they're actually facing 50 years. so my calculation, tarrio, rehl, biggs, and nordean are facing a maximum of 50, and tarrio is facing a maximum of 30. ordinarily, those maximums are not the type of sentences that are imposed. they're usually significantly less. i also agree with danny, though, that all bets are off when it

comes to sentencing of seditious conspiracy, trying to overthrow our government. >> it's been so infrequently used, danny. explain to us when we're talking about 30 years in aggregate, 50 years, what does that mean as far as what they are possibly facing? is it 50 plus 30 or the 50 max? what does that mean? >> so almost always we report that we take the statutory max and line them all up end to end. that is correct. that is the statutory maximum sentence, and it's the only knowable number at this point. glenn's math is spot on. you add those up, and you get a statutory potential maximum of 50 years. glenn will probably know whether there are any mandatory minimums. i don't believe there are. let's put that aside for a moment.

you have that 50 years maximum. then what happens is the united states sentencing guidelines, and what these are is a complex formula replete with bonus points and subtraction points calculated by united states probation after the defendants are convicted. so they'll plug this into the formula, and anyone can go online to the u.s. sentencing manual. good luck understanding what's in it because it is complicated. but what happens is that formula usually spits out a number that is somewhat below the maximum sentence, often well below the maximum sentence. right now, we're assuming all sentences would be consecutive. they won't necessarily be, they might be, but they might not be. if they're run at the same time, that is a major difference. whether a sentence is run

consecutively or concurrently is sometimes the whole sentence. it's a win or a loss. it's everything when it comes to sentencing. so then from there, you have the sentencing guidelines, and this is where it gets even weirder. the supreme court said you can plug in that formula, arrive at that sentencing range, which is always in months, but the court isn't required to follow it. so you may have a sentencing guideline range, but the actual sentence could be below it or even above it. glenn and i are both in agreement that whereas in most cases you can have a good argument for getting below the guideline range. in this case, you probably have a good argument that these defendants should be sentenced above the guideline range because of the acts against the united states. i wouldn't be surprised if you

see that happen. >> this is the third seditious conspiracy to go before jurors since the capitol attack. the oath keepers were found guilty of this. this is an unusual accusation, but it's been effective in these three cases. >> remarkably so. there was a lot of concern about whether it was appropriate to bring that charge and how much of a risk prosecutors were taking, and the jurors have really vindicated the use of it and found it's appropriate to the conduct as alleged. it's important for people to understand these conspiracies these juries have found have been sort of spontaneous conspiracies in the sense that they're not finding a larger, broader conspiracy going back many months to attack the capitol. that evidence is missing. they are finding these particular defendants conspired to use violence to try to stop the certification of the votes

that day. >> so, ryan, this jury has been here for four months looking at so much evidence. what can we expect going forward for this jury? >> reporter: well, these outstanding counts is what they have to go back to. and the pezzola case, sounds like there's a strong opinion on. i think the bigger question were for these other defendants. pezzola was one of the two that took the stand and this sort of last-minute member of the proud boys, and you talk about how he did want to see donald trump's speech that day and was kind of mad when the proud boys went walking towards the capitol and sort of did their morning round and circle the capitol before the attack actually took place. you know, what he said is he actually headed back to trump's speech and ultimately found himself -- he came back towards the capitol.

there's these food trucks that had a lot of discussion before this breach took place because this was i guess around lunchtime, so you had a number of defendants who went to these food trucks that were near the capitol, and then they were at peace circle, and that initial breach of the police lines took place with the proud boys right up front. i think another thing this shows is jurors kind of completely dismissed the testimony from zack had rehl who went up and had a story he told on the stand about trying to explain away a lot of his violent rhetoric. that was one of the incredible -- you can't make it up sort of situations where over a long weekend, had he had taken the stand but before he can be cross examined by the government, online surfaced video the doj and fbi had not seen that showed zackry rehl hold and pointing a canister

weapon and pointing it at officers. that was in this unaccounted-for period of time when it wasn't clear where zack rehl was on the side of the capitol, and in a matter of hours, online sleuths were able to solve that problem and provide that information to the government moments before he went on the stand, the government provided this evidence to the defense, and there's zackry rehl looking and i imagine panicking because for two years, he thought he got away with this, and online sleuths were able to surface photos and evidence that showed strongly he had pointed some kind of weapon, and he said in a panicked moment that he could not recall whether or not he assaulted any officers with pepper spray that day. >> i can't thank you enough for being with us this morning on this morning with breaking news helping us understand and

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a similar situation is unfolding across the rio grand where thousands of migrants are camped out waiting for title 42 to end so they can cross the border and apply for asylum. gabe gutierrez is there. good morning. it's a crisis that gets worse and more intense every day. >> reporter: that's right, jose. we were in el paso yesterday and showed you some of the scenes there. this is what we're seeing here. this is just one of the migrant camps that has sprung up along this border city. this extends all the way down there. this is near the city hall right near the border. i can also point out as we look to make sure no cars are crossing on this street, but if we just point that way, this is the migrant detention center where the 40 people were killed

in late march, and it's now obviously shut down, but this migrant camp has sprung up right around it. this is something that has stretched resources here on this side of the border. as you mentioned, title 42 set to be lifted in just a few days. some of these migrants we have been speaking with throughout the morning have heard of title 42, some -- i can see something happening here -- what we have seen is -- hold on. there's mexican police coming here, jose. what often happens. >> gabe, show us what's going on. >> reporter: trying to. >> what's happening? >> reporter: this appears to be some aide. this is something we have been seeing over and over again throughout the morning. there is a desperate situation unfolding here, jose, because every time a good samaritan, a pickup truck shows up here, you see juice, water, food being

distributed, and they line up here. this is something we saw also on the el paso side, now we're seeing it in juarez. you see the children lining up waiting to get juice here. >> this is clearly not a government official. it doesn't seem to be any kind of organization. it's just good people helping out people. ask them, if you can, gabe, who he is and what he's doing. >> reporter: right. hold on, jose. he says he's from venezuela and he's out here helping. he says he just got donations, jose, and they're trying to distribute them as best he can. hold on. i know if you need -- hold on one second, jose.

he says he's a resident here. he says, it's a question of hunger and humanity. it's so important for him to be here and bring this aid to these people. he says it's not up to him to decide what the situation is in terms of my grants, but he's -- he's here to help. he's here to bring food. so, jose, this is something that we have been seeing over and over again, a desperate situation here with these migrants. hundreds in this particular camp, thousands throughout the city. just days away from tight it will 42 set to be lifted. >> as always, extraordinary work. just to see a venezuelan gentleman, maybe a migrant

himself, in charge of handing out water and food. and you're just across the street from that detention center where 40 migrants were killed in a fire. they were locked in there, and the fire started, and the authorities walked away. 40 people lost their lives just across from where you are. >> reporter: right. and if i can interrupt one second, this is a gentleman we were speaking with earlier. he said he's been here 30 days. he's referencing right now the 40 people who were killed here. he is frustrated there hasn't been more international help coming to this area. as he said, a dire situation for some of these migrants. some who have been waiting here for weeks. >> i think you from juarez. appreciate that report. up next, we're going to go to atlanta for the latest on a deadly shooting there after a

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38 past the hour. turning now to atlanta where this morning the suspect police say shot and killed one person and injured four others has been captured and charged. he faces one count och murder and four counts of aggravate td assault. he opened fire in a waiting room at a medical facility and stole a truck from a nearby gas

station and fled the area. law enforcement was able to locate the 24-year-old after the vehicle was captured on transportation department cameras. the woman killed in this shooting has now been identified, 39-year-old amy san-pierre. the others in the attack, all women ranging from 25 to 70 years of age are now recovering in the hospital. joining us now the former white house senior adviser and former mayor of atlanta. what are we learning about the investigation into this tragedy and the victims? >> reporter: we anticipate an update on the condition of those four victims recovering in that atlanta hospital within an hour or so. investigators are very clear to say the investigation is incredibly active at this time and important to note the 24-year-old suspect, the only suspect in this case, deon

patterson was booked into fullton county jail late last night. as far as any connection between that 24-year-old, authorities are not saying anything at this time. of course, this took place after a man hunt that began when they say patterson opened fire inside that 11th floor waiting room in a medical clinic affiliated with northside hospital. we're also hearing about how they were able to track him down with a combination of the public calling 911 and also using surveillance cameras, then a license plate recognition technology to track that pickup about 20 miles away to neighboring cobb county where this man hunt intensified yesterday and where an undercover police witnessed him walking into a building they were able to close on and take

him into custody. the only thing atlanta police are saying right now is they have had minimal contact with patterson prior to this shooting taking place. no motive shared at this point in time. we do know when he entered this clinic, he was accompanied by his very own mother. law enforcement source sharing he had attended this hospital for an unknown medical appointment. we're hoping to learn more about that. but patterson had been recently discharged from the coast guard as recently as this past january after serving for five years. you mentioned those charges against him. one count of murder, four counts of attempted murder, and no official response from this 24-year-old at this time. jose. >> and so, you know, mayor, you said that atlanta is more like a small town than a big city, and you have a personal connection to some of those affected by this tragedy. i'm just wondering how the city

is doing today, and what are your thoughts? >> atlanta is still very much a place where everybody knows everybody. i know the woman who practices in that medical group. i also had a friend who was in that very waiting room yesterday morning. and so today we are breathing a sigh of relief, but it still hurts. and it hurts for so many reasons. obviously, the loss of life, not being able to go anywhere and be safe, whether it be church or in a grocery store or a little league game, you name it, these places are all under attack. we know that we have very lax gun laws in this state. i don't know that tougher gun laws would have made a difference in this case. but it really does highlight the need just to have a more in depth conversation and discussion about what more we

can do, no matter what your party affiliation is, we all want to be safe, and we want our families to be safe. so what can we agree on? that's an important discussion, not just in georgia but of course across the country. this is the second mass shooting in the atlanta area in the last two years. so this is not even just another mass shooting in america. this is another mass shooting in atlanta. >> i thank you so much for being with us this morning. new details on the death of a man who was put in a choke hold following an altercation on a new york city subway on monday morning now identified as 28-year-old jor did i neilly. he was homeless and struggling with mental illness. the video we're about to show you is disturbing. neilly got on the subway and

began yelling at passengers. a man put him in a choke hold before the police arrived. they have now ruled the death was a homicide. the man who placed neilly in a choke hold was questioned and released. he has not been identified at this time. dmont straiters seen gathered chanting justice now. new york mayor eric adams spoke out on the case last night. >> i was a former transit police officer and i responded to many jobs where you had a passenger assist someone. we cannot say what a passenger should or should not do in a situation like that. we should allow the investigation to take its course. >> joining us now with more is nbc correspondent. what's next for this case? there is a lot of controversy. >> reporter: there is. but investigation is underway to

determine what should be the next step in this particular case. as was pointed out, the medical examiner ruled that this person's death was caused by homicide. but law enforcement officials are quick to also point out that that cause of death as homicide is not awe ruling on intent or culpability. that will be up to the justice department to have a consideration to that. despite the growing debate in the city about whether this was right or wrong, the criminal justice system is going to make a determination as to whether or not any charges should be filed. >> they so much. let's take a look at the stock market. it's not doing very well today. the dow jones is down about 400 points. the markets are worried about problems with pack west and other regional banks reigniting

fears about the security of the u.s. banking sector. wall street also taking stock of the federal reserve's decision to raise a key interest rate for the tenth time in the past year. joining us now with more is cnbc's dominic. so what are markets so concerned about today? >> they're all interconnected as you pointed out. the fed, the economy, they're all related to what's happening between the small and mid-sized banks in america and vice versa as well. the feds did raise those rates in a highly expected move. but bankers did troop some policies around anticipating the need for future increases ahead. that is something that economists and market analysts are interpreting as code for the fed pausing interest rate hikes for the time being. they want to assess the impact of those ten increases we've seen so far, see if economy and inflation are in fact slowing

down. as for the regional banks, two western u.s. bank learneds continue to be in focus. they are pack west and western alliance. they are both down today. they were seen as peer banks to silicon valley and first republic, which have failed and been taken over by other banks. western alliance did something differently. they were also reportedly looking at a sale according to a report from the financial times until just this past hour when a western alliance spokesperson formally said they are not up for sale and they have not hired advisers to explore anything like that and they are a financially sound and profitable bank. the drama just continues with regard to this regional bank crisis. >> as these rates go up, that is partially what has caused problems for some of those banks. is there fear that this is just

the beginning of something worse? >> so right now, the fear is about whether there is a contagion effect. we have heard central bankers, the treasury department, lots of markets say this is not a contagious factor, we even hear jamie diamond say this is at the worst right now. we even heard at one point a concern about the small and regional sized bank that are the backbone for small and medium-sized businesses in america, that are the backbone for the economy, wlrnt they're going to take that money and put it in places like j.p. morgan or bank of america. it seems as though deposits are relatively stable there. what this has now turned into is a bear stampede of sorts. there are a lot of people speculating about the demise of the regional banking sector in america, and that's kind of becoming a vicious cycle at this point.

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back to our breaking news. a federal judge in washington found four members of the proud boys guilty of seditious conspiracy. all five were found guilty of obstructing an official proceeding, one count of destruction of government property. joining us now on the phone to talk about this is andy campbell, a senior editor at "huff post." andy, thanks for being with us. wondering what your thoughts are on today's verdict. >> right. i mean, this is a very serious charge and a very successful day for the government in one of its highest profile cases in january 6, four out of five proud boys found guilty of seditious conspiracy. the government -- sorry, the jury agrees that these guys entered into an agreement prior

to the attack to upend the certification of joe biden's election. certainly, they did so by force. >> tell me about the fact that the one man was found guilty of the seditious charge when he was not physically there. just the organization and this -- as you call it a gang. what kind of a group is this? >> this is a far-right street gang that believes it is the soldiers in the street for donald trump and the gop's culture war. after joe biden was elected, the proud boys called for civil war. they wanted a revolution. they saw january 6 as their last stand for their president. enrique was pulling the strings from an apartment in baltimore. not only was he in contact with his fellow proud boys, 200 of which stormed the capitol, but

he was in contact with roger stone on the day. we didn't learn much during the trial about his connections to roger stone and trump's allies, but we did learn he had an outsized role in the planning and execution of the insurrection. >> you are talking about 200 of them on january 6. how big of a group did this become? >> i mean, they have been in the thousands. they are across the country with hundreds of chapters. their numbers wax and wane. the real threat lies in the ability to coalition. they have brought different members of neonazi factions and other militant groups together to fight all sorts of culture wars for the gop. today, that continues outside drag queen story hours and abortion clinics. it will be interesting to see whether these prosecutions have a chilling affect on the proud boys as an organization or our extremist crisis at large.

>> do you think it's going to have an affects? >> so far, we're seeing it's not. >> andy campbell, thank you very much for being with us. appreciate your time. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can watch highlights from today's show online. i thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. u can make . now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business. we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on.

good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. a federal jury found four members of the proud boys, including their leader, guilty of the most serious charge in connection to january 6, seditious conspiracy. the jury is still deliberating over the charge against a fourth lieutenant. all five have been convicted of obstructing an official proceeding. the landmark trial unfolded over four long months. six members of a separate group, the oath