good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. a federal jury found four members of the proud boys, including their leader, guilty of the most serious charge in connection to january 6, seditious conspiracy. the jury is still deliberating over the charge against a fourth lieutenant. all five have been convicted of obstructing an official proceeding. the landmark trial unfolded over four long months. six members of a separate group, the oath keepers, was also

convicted of seditious conspiracy for their roles. members of both groups were seen meeting with each other in a garage right outside the capitol the night before the attack. joining me now is justice reporter ryan reilly who has been covering the trial, former lead prosecutor andrew weissmann and former federal prosecutor glen kerschner. >> are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence? >> give me a name. proud boys, stand back and stand by. >> ryan, one of the defenses was

that they were just following the leader, donald trump, in the encouragement from him. they have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. talk to me about what's happening. >> reporter: that's right. they explicitly blamed donald trump. during the trial, blaming donald trump for some of the problems that the proud boys are screening new members. after the click, that was a major boon for the proud boys. they produced these stand by and stand back t-shirts. that was a lot of attention for the group, a lot of new members joining. what they were arguing is, it was difficult to vet new members. the jury didn't really buy any of that argument. ultimately, found enrique and three other members guilty of seditious conspiracy. the only individual who hasn't been guilty of seditious

conspiracy is an individual named dominic pazolla. he is the person we see in the famous video. it shows him bashing in the window to the capitol with a stolen police shield repeatedly and banging against that window and causing it to shatter. that's the case that jurors are taking up. he has convicted on a number of other counts that basically give him the same criminal exposure. the jury just can't come to a conclusion on whether he is guilty of seditious conspiracy. there's not a lot of communication between him and these other members as much as there was some of the other members who were convicted. dominic joined very late in the game, not that many weeks before january 6. whether or not he was part of the seditious conspiracy is something that there is some disagreement with the jurors with. the headline is, this is a big victory for the justice department in one of their landmark cases in the sprawling investigation into the january 6

attack on the u.s. capitol. >> andrew weissmann,spiracy was challenging to prove. after that debate comment by the president at the time, there was a big increase in online activity, recreatement by the proud boys and online conversation by the right wing groups. >> absolutely. there's a huge domestic terrorism problem in this country, as the department of justice and fbi understand. that's one of the reasons, as was noted, this is such an important victory for not just the justice department but for all of us to combat the idea that you cannot just voice your opinion, but you can do so through violence. this is the 14th conviction of the most serious charge, seditious conspiracy, which we had nine convictions with

respect to oath keepers. we have five with respect to the proud boys. it amps the pressure up on jack smith, because so far the leader, the person who caused this to take place, has not been charged. the question of should there be charges against the former president becomes one that i think answers itself when you see people -- lower level people, such as people who were just convicted, being brought to justice. but you don't see the leader yet brought to justice. you can be sure the department of justice feels that pressure today. >> glen, weigh in on the importance of this. for the prosecutors as they go after the roots of the causes and the perpetrators of january 6. >> andrea, it's an important win for the prosecutors, for the department of justice. more importantly, for the american people and for our

democracy. if you undertake to overthrow our government by force or violence, doj will pull out all the stops. they will investigate. they will indict. they will try you. even in what are some forward leaning charges, seditious conspiracy charges, which our federal prosecutors don't often bring. four of the five defendants were convicted on that lead count. that lead count carries up to 20 years in prison. based on ryan's reporting, it seems like the offenses of conviction thus far, recognizing they are still deliberating on some charges, would subject four of the five to 50 years in prison as a statutory max and one of the five -- he is exposed at the moment to 30 years in prison.

what i find really interesting is the jury has not yet resolved the seditious conspiracy charge against him. that actually shows that the jury is very diligent and very attentive. as ryan said, he was kind of a johnny come lately to the conspiracy party. he joined very late. he didn't necessarily do everything the other co-conspirators did that made it clear they were members of a conspiracy. boy, i have to give this jury credit for being really thoughtful in the way they're going about returning these verdicts. >> the former chief of homeland security and intelligence for the district of columbia, you have been critical of law enforcement not communicating adequately, having had plenty of warning, if they had been talking to each other and looking at what we were seeing online, in the public space.

now we see, at least the prosecution, the justice department, with a big victory against these accused conspirators. >> yeah. it's a great day, great victory for prosecutors. i would submit, as some of your other guests have talked about, the proud boys were the foot soldiers of january 6. those who led this entire endeavor have yet to be brought to court. the proud boys were operational. we saw them online communicating with other groups like the oath keepers. but were it not for the prout proud boys and oath keepers, january 6 is a loud demonstration. these individuals were key into the planning and penetration of the capitol. they didn't get this idea on

their own. justice has not been served. the book on january 6 isn't fully closed until those who at the top, as was previously mentioned, are brought to justice for them. >> to follow up on that. is it your belief that this was a conspiracy planned at the top -- let me pause at that hypothetically. planned at the top and there were lawyers involved and others, as we know, who have been charged as well, but we are waiting to see what happens, of course, with donald trump and some of his closest advisors, but that it got out of hand? or do you think they were actually intending for this crowd, this unruly mob to get into the capitol? >> you know, i will share my private thoughts with you. i don't have any intrinsic intelligence. this conspiracy was conceived not in the walls of the proud

boys or oath keepers' rooms. these were final pieces of the part. you can't have a storming of the capitol without some type of militia or army. my personal opinion is if you look at a lot of the evidence that has been brought out by the select committee, i believe that there were lawmakers, i believe there were people this the executive branch that were if not complicit with this, certainly part of an enterprise to permit or encourage violent groups like this to enter the capitol and stop the proceedings of that day. >> ryan, you were present for all these months at the courthouse. this jury clearly, as was pointed out, has been very diligent and very careful in its deliberations. now what happens with them? >> they're going to continue those deliberations. they're going to continue to go

back and decide on that ultimate count. the headline here is really this moment. ultimately, what ends up happening is but a footnote. the takeaway here is that the justice department was able to succeed in these major, difficult to prove charges, of seditious conspiracy against four members of an organization which was encouraged by the former president of the united states to stand back and to stand by. this was someone who was not on scene that day, who was in a baltimore hotel on january 6, was guilty of that charge, which is quite something. they got another proud boy to admit to seditious conspiracy, even though he wasn't present on the grounds of the u.s. capitol because was communications he was having with the proud boys who were that day. he pleaded guilty. he was ultimately a witness in this overall larger seditious conspiracy trial. in fact, i think one that was

able to pull the jury over finish line on finding others guilty of the top charge. that's a moment. you have someone who was not on the scene the day of the capitol attack who was found guilty in connection with that attack. follow the metaphor there and follow the lines there where you will in terms of what you could see jack smith's team doing in terms of any charges against the former president in connection with january 6. a jury will be willing, with enough evidence to find someone guilty of a top charge such as seditious conspiracy, even when they weren't on the grounds of the u.s. capitol that day. >> andrew, pick up on that thread about what next for jack smith and the former president. we know that the georgia case, is not going to be charged, we don't think, until july, i think was her latest. is she in any way synchronizing with the feds in terms of not

going first, letting them go first, since they are both dealing with january 6? do you think they are operating completely separately? >> that's a great question. the bottom line is, we don't know. there would be reason to have them synchronize with respect to the so-called january 6 investigation. why? because they will have overlapping witnesses. rather than have witnesses interviewed twice, having different notes of the interviews and putting them through that burden, it's understandable if they are coordinating, at least at that extent. i don't think it's coordinated any more than that. i think they are going to be very separate. it's conceivable that jack smith's case will reach a decision point now prior to the georgia case. of course, the georgia case is a

subset of what jack smith is looking at. he is not limited to georgia and that territory. i would like to underscore what ryan said. it's very important to see that you can bring cases even if the person wasn't actually at the capitol attacking the capitol that day. >> we should point out why he wasn't at the capitol. he was under a court order not to enter the district of columbia because of a previous protest where he was involved for the burning -- for demonstrations and burning a flag or a banner in front of an historic black church in the city, in connection to the george floyd demonstrations, right? that's one reason why he was not in the city. >> carry the analogy to the reason the former president wasn't at the capitol was because the secret service was refusing to take him.

it's not for lack of will that he wasn't there. legally, it doesn't matter. that's been now shown by this verdict. you do not have to be the triggerman to be found guilty if you are part of a conspiracy and typically if you are leading that conspiracy. i'm confident that's the way jack smith will look at it, assuming he can develop sufficient evidence. >> thank you so much to andrew, ryan, danel. joining us is joaquin castro, a former trump impeachment manager from the second impeachment, that stemmed from january 6. your reaction to this today. >> it's a win for the people of the united states of america. it's a win for american democracy and for the rule of law. the proud boys are a

paramilitary force that have been incredibly menacing, politically violent. they were, along with the oath keepers, donald trump's enforcers on january 6. this is a very important verdict for american democracy and for the rule of law. >> defense attorneys for them were arguing the justice department is using them as scapegoats for the real person to blame, they say, donald trump. >> i wouldn't say they are scapegoats. they were active participants. they willingly did it. this organization has been declared a terrorist organization in our neighboring country to the north, in canada, but also in new zealand because of the political violence that they have engaged in. they are not entirely wrong. really, true justice won't

happen until donald trump is sitting in that defendant's seat in the same way that these proud boys have been sitting there for days or weeks, whatever it has been. also, not only donald trump, but other political leadership, including members of congress in this country, who may have assisted in the events of january 6. there's still plenty of justice to be served in our nation with respect to what happened on january 6. and also, i was part of the trial team that went over to the senate and tried to get a conviction against donald trump after he was impeached for the second time in the house. as everybody knows, we fell short. but during that trial and in the lead-up to the trial, he can kept calling it an insurrection. i believe it's actually an attempted coup. these people were trying to change the course of american history and change who ultimately would become president of the united states. that's what this was, an attempted coup. >> do you think if there were to

be an indictment from jack smith against the former president that he could argue that under justice department rules, since he is a candidate for president, that this is too close to the election and it would be interfering with the election process by putting him under such a cloud? >> i have no doubt he will argue that and many other things to try to get out of being accountable to the american people. but the fact that it has taken the justice department a few years to put this case together shouldn't be an excuse to let donald trump off for another day once the department of justice is ready to bring charges. i give the doj -- i have been critical of merrick garland. but i give them credit for the investigations and foot soldiers they put on trial and convicted for the events of january 6 for this attempted coup. the true ring leader was donald trump. based on the evidence that we have seen, he may have been

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russia is claiming that the u.s. is behind the alleged ukrainian drone attack on the kremlin, an accusation made without citing any evidence. the white house pushing back. >> i can assure you there was no involvement by the united states in this whatever it was. it didn't involve us. >> that was john kirby on "morning joe." the latest accusation comes after moscow claimed the ukrainian government sent two drones to assassinate vladimir putin. >> we don't attack putin or moscow. we fight on our territory. we're defending our cities. we don't have enough weapons for this. that's why we don't use it anywhere. for us, that's a deficit. we can't spend it.

we didn't attack putin. we leave it to tribunal. >> the fact that president zelenskyy was speaking english makes the point. he doesn't always do that. the state department warning americans in ukraine of a heightened threat of missile attacks in the aftermath of a massive russian strike killing 23 people around kherson, hitting a railroad station and other attacks in recent days. joining me now is john brennan. thank you, director brennan. it's good to see you. there have been a lot of missile strikes. it seems as though the tempo of strikes from russia against ukraine is picking up. then we have this alleged drone attack. we have seen the video. richard engel and our crack digital team had shown, there's a big time lag of 12 hours between the time they first posted the initial video and when they showed the follow on

posting. something is going on there, which raised suspicions. do we have any idea what happened? if so, what did it? >> andrea, i don't think anybody at this point, except those that launched this attack, know for certain who was responsible for it. it's possible it was done by some ukrainians. i really would not think zelenskyy would have authorized such a strike. it's a very poorly planned assassination attempt, if it was to go after putin. it didn't appear as though there were a lot of explosives on the drone. it's possible they could have been ukrainians launching it inside russia to demonstrate their reach. some folks thought the russians did this themselves to provide a pretext for some of the follow-on attacks that may be more heinous than previous atabs. i do think the russians see

this as an embarrassment. to carry out that type of attack, even though it was limited, shows there's a vulnerability there. i do not believe that the russians did it themselves. it could have been russian citizens who launched the strike. it doesn't take much to put explosives on a drone platform and vector it into a specific target. there's a fair amount of speculation going on. at this point, i think it's premature to point a finger at any particular responsible party for this attack. >> we know from leaked documents and other reporting that u.s. intelligence has been helpful to ukraine. it's been a red line from the very beginning that the united states and nato more largely do not want anything that provoked putin into taking nato on. they certainly -- the u.s. would

be very much against this. that's been made very clear to zelenskyy, going not only over the border but to the heart of russia as you point out, the kremlin. >> yes. the u.s. government basically prohibited and told the ukrainians not to carry out these attacks. since 2014, when the russians came into the donbas region, not to carry out attacks inside russia because it could lead to an unfortunate escalation of the conflict in violence. therefore, i do not believe that zelenskyy would put at risk the great depth and extent of u.s. and nato support for the ukrainians by carrying out what seems to be a limited attack against the kremlin. >> another question comes to mind. while zelenskyy has denied this and denied going into russia, there have been attacks inside russia. an assassination that was clearly carried out with some

connection to ukraine, whether it was the government or government supporters. the daughter of a strong putin supporter. that said, this would be far more aggressive than anything they could go. what about the range? could an american supplied drone could as far as the kremlin from the border? is this something more likely launched internally? >> i believe it was probably launched inside of russia. again, there are places you can stage that type of small drone attack. it's possible with some of the drones that could reach to moscow from inside of ukraine. again, i think certainly the ukrainian special forces have great capabilities. that's why it possibly could be some ukrainians who have some affiliation with the ukrainian military that might have been

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again, a false charge. he has been there four years. this is the first american journalist charged this way since the cold war. >> the russians would like to have some type of spy swap. although, evan was not involved in espionage. he was involved in what good journalists and reporters do. try to find the truth. it's possible the russians might be floating some ideas about this to see whether or not there are individuals in u.s. custody who have been charged and convicted of intelligence gathering, illegally here in the united states. this is something that evan is very unfairly being caught up in this trap by the russians to try to prevent the media from understanding what actually is going on inside of russia. >> john brennan, thank you on all things. good to see you. >> thank you. the border rush. what's being done ahead of an expected surge of migrants heading north.

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migrants are on the streets of el paso. border patrol is overwhelmed, as are facilities there. an immigrant advocate slamming sending in the troops. >> why not send 1,500 attorneys? that's the necessity here. why not send 1,500 social workers that can help the migrants here in dire need? >> a businessowner is pushing back. >> i have lived here over 38 years. i have never seen anything like this in el paso. this is unsustainable. it's not normal. help us. enough with the politics of it. >> gabe gutierrez is just across the border from el paso, in suarez, mexico, near a detention center that caught fire in

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the director of national intelligence says a u.s. default would almost certainly create global uncertainty and economic volatility. this is on the heels of a dire warning from the white house about what would happen if the nation's borrowing limit is not raised soon, with the deadline just four weeks away. the council of economic advisors outlined a doomsday scenario

comparing it to the great recession. more than 8 million people could lose their jobs and the stock market could be cut in half. a brief default would drag negotiations out could cause 200,000 jobs with no default. joining us now is one-time republican candidate for senate pat mcgrory and donna edwards. governor, i was talking to jack lew, former treasury secretary, we went through this in 2011 and 2013. with mitch mcconnell's help they got deals. they got so late that they got downgraded. it cost them $1.3 billion in paying higher interest rates. to be downgraded that way. playing this game of chicken is

dangerous. what would you like to see happen next week when they get together? "the washington post" says there's a way the -- the president is leaving the door open for some parallel talks on the budget and the debt ceiling separately, so both sides can declare a victory. >> we need the republicans and democrats together who put us both in this mess. everyone helped get us to this point. there's no people who don't have their hands on this debt during the last 20, 25 years. we need some mature people to say, we are more worried about the economy now and in the future than we are the next election in 2024. there's a problem solvers caucus of republicans and democrats trying to put together a deal similar to the simpson bowls administration, which i wish they would have listened to. i think there are good ideas on the table by republicans and democrats who want to actually solve the problem as opposed to

pushing off the problem. i think that coalition is going to be the coalition that makes this happen between the executive branch, senate and the house among democrats and republicans. the fact of the matter is, we have the largest debt since world war ii compared to gdp. these are very, very dire circumstances. i think the markets are responding to it. >> donna, the republicans say, we put together a budget. democrats say that that budget is not survivable, because it's so drastic in the cuts and discretionary spending. the white house says they will do a budget once they give us something, but we need a clean debt ceiling bill. a lot of democrats are saying privately, the president has to show some give. he has to show he is willing to negotiate. how do you get both sides off of their hard talking points? >> first of all, i think it's really important for the public

to understand we have to separate the question of the potential default and what needs to happen on budget and appropriations. just earlier this week or last week, congresswoman kay granger, who is the chair of the appropriations committee, announced that they would be moving forward on appropriations bills. that is the place to have this discussion. that's the way it's always been in the past, that those conversations are separate. the real bottom line is that we cannot default on our obligations. these are bills republicans and democrats have all run up. we can't default. i was with a group of small businessowners this morning. they were so worried that they just started to recover from the pandemic, and now the threat of a default, which will send the economy in a tailspin. this is not an option. we have done it over 75 times in the past. we have always separated those

conversations, spending and budget on one hand and raising the debt ceiling on the other. that's what needs to happen now. we just can't afford this. when you say that $1.3 billion, potential cost here $8.3 billion, that's to the taxpayers. that's not just some cost out there. we will have to absorb that. it's not fair to people who get up and go to work every single day and take care of their obligations and pay their bills for the united states not to pay ours. >> that $1.3 billion was without default. a default would be just light years worse than that amount of money. governor, what about corporate america? big business, according to nbc's business, is just sitting this out, not putting pressure on the members of congress with whom they have a lot of influence. >> corporate america has got to

step up. so do the entrepreneurial class. small business has to start telling their lobbyists, which there are millions of dollars getting paid to influence it. let's influence it for future generations. donna is right, this has to go. the budget process has to go back through appropriations now. we quit doing that a while back. we are seeing the long-term damage. it's time for the business community to take some political risk, step up and say, okay, you mature adults in the house and senate and executive branch have to come together, accept we have a divided government and as div government and when you have a divided government as we had in 2011, 2013, you're going to have to make some compromises for the greater sake of our nation than the next election. that's going to be extremely important to hear literally during this week and next week.

>> pat mckwor ri and donna edwards, thanks to both of you. outside the norm, new questions surrounding a supreme court justice and private school tuition paid for by a billionaire. what do we know? that's coming next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. nbc. meet the outdoorsies.

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supreme court justice clarence thomas under new scrutiny today, propublica has been reporting that a billionaire republican mega

donor harlan crow paid tuition for thomas's grand nephew who thomas was raising as a son at two private schools. the exact amount crow paid is not clear, but propublica is citing both a financial statement from one of the schools and a former administrator. nbc news has not yet confirmed this reporting. in a statement, crow's office said neither thomas nor his wife asked him to pay for the tuition, and the billionaire republican contributor said he's long been passionate about the importance of quality education and giving back to those less fortunate, especially at risk youth. tuition and other financial assistance is given directly to academic institutions, not to students or to their families. these scholarships and other contributions have always been paid solely from personal funds, sometimes held and paid through the family business. joining me now is nbc senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. laura, there have been a number of issues in the last couple of weeks involving clarence thomas uncovered by propublica, and some fell within the loopholes

of what needs to be disclosed, hospitality from a friend as large as they were, but this is a different kind of payment if this is established. >> well, that's right, and there really are two different issues here. there's one, the disclosure issue and exactly what the justice was supposed to report and then there's a different, larger issue, one about whether this is sort of beyond the bounz bounds of what you would think is prudent for a justice with lifetime appointment, really the appearance of inpropriety. on the disclosure issue, justices are required to disclose gifts over a certain dollar amount, which this would obviously fall under. the issue is whether because it's a grand nephew, somehow it would be an exemption because he's not actually justice thomas's child, even though he was living with justice thomas as his son, and so his defenders have pointed to the fact that generally you're supposed to disclose gifts to a child like a son or daughter. put that to the side for a

moment. justice thomas has said repeatedly that he didn't think he had to disclose issues from crow in the past. he thought they were exempted under different disclosure exemptions. he said they were just friends and the justice hasn't said anything on this latest report, but as you said, crow is defending this as a partisan smear and that he's just interested in general education. i think the larger issue here is whether congress really has anything to do about this, whether they have the votes to do anything about it. obviously democrats are up in arms saying the court needs ethics reforms, saying the court needs to be treated just like every other federal judge that has to abide by ethics code of conduct, even though the supreme court doesn't, but again, whether they have the congressional will to do anything about it remains to be seen. >> and senators today on totally party lines divided, senator durbin, judiciary chairman saying in a statement that today's report just continues the steady stream of revelations

calling justices ethics, standards, and practices into question, i hope the chief justice understands that something must be done. of course the chief justice did not accept the invitation from senator durbin to testify about all of this. but republicans are completely falling in behind him, john cornyn, member of judiciary and a former judge himself, but this has really reached a whole level where many observers and critics are saying that it affecting the credibility of the court. >> and i think part of the issue there is it isn't any one gift. it's sort of the totality of them and the extent of them. we have jet rides, we have luxury vacations. we have him paying for thomas's mom to live rent free in a home that he purchased. we have him paying for a portion of thomas's wife's salary. i think it's all of that in totality that's really raising the larger ethics issues. >> laura jarrett, thank you so much. that does it for this edition of

"andrea mitchell reports." we have breaking news before we go from new york where a jury has reached a verdict in the high profile trial against singer song writer ed sheeran who was accused of copying marvin gaye's work. that verdict will come in any moment. stay tuned for a lot more on that. "chris jansing reports" is next with lindsey reiser starting right now. ♪♪ good day, i'm lindsey reiser in for chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city, and we start with the partial verdict still coming in from d.c. in the proud boys trial. so far five defendants have been found guilty on dozens of charges. four of them on seditious conspiracy, but the judge just told the jury you're not done yet. plus, frustration is growing with thousands of migrants camped out in texas towns, and thousands more waiting to cross the border once title 42 is