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been staging dramatic unexpected breakthroughs in the last few years. the one nut they haven't been able to crack has been this race, the kentucky derby. i mentioned mandarin hero who's now going to be in the race. there's a second one named derma sodagake is going to be in this race, probably going to be one of the top five choices betting wise. ran in the united arab emirates derby to get in this race. put up an unbelievable time. keep an eye on those japanese horses. >> steve kornacki, thank you, enjoy. and you can watch the 149th running of the kentucky derby tomorrow on nbc, the network's full coverage begins at noon eastern, and is also available on nbcsports.com, the nbc sports app, and peacock. so we'll be tuning in. >> yes, we will.
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>> that does it for us on this friday morning, ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ happy friday. so glad you are with us. it's 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york, and it may be friday, but there's still a lot of news this morning, including big economic shifts. we just got the april jobs report, and instead of the decline economists expected, unemployment numbers ticked down. the unemployment rate is 3.4%. jobs were added, many more than expected. that is some good news, but with interest rate hikes, banking turmoil, layoffs, and store closures, how do you assess the state of the u.s. economy? former new orleans mayor mitch landrieu who's also a senior adviser to president biden will join us. plus, a judge could hand down a record sentence for a january 6th rioter today. how long that defendant could spend behind bars. and we're following reaction to the historic verdicts against
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members of the proud boys. what does it all reveal about the strength of the doj's capitol attack cases? then later, the southern border in focus as the homeland security secretary tours that area facing a new influx of migrants as covid restrictions end. nbc news went along with border patrol witnessing several crossings and speaking with some of those migrants seeking a chance in the u.s. >> why did you come here? >> for my life. we've been threatened for some time. it was my last resort. i couldn't live there anymore. >> coming up, i'll talk with texas congressman henry cuellar who represents the rio grande area and what does he think a divided congress should do to address the growing humanitarian crisis? but first, the breaking news on the economy, 253,000 jobs added for the month of april, well above what was expected and unemployment hitting a five-decade low.
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let's bring in nbc news business and data reporter brian cheung and host of npr's full disclosure ryan far sad. analysts were expecting 180,000 jobs in april, that's 73,000 less than the actual number. break it all down for us. >> they were also expecting the unemployment rate to go up. instead it went down to 3.4%, which is a historic low. where we saw the job gains was specifically professional and business services. we also saw it in leisure and hospitality, which has been driving a lot of the job gains broadly over this post-crisis recovery. now, for what it's worth, this just reinforces that this economy appears to be chugging along at least on the labor market side of things and continuing to add jobs month after month after month, which isn't necessarily what you would expect in a recession. so it seems like we're not really talking about being in that r word right now. for what it's worth, though, not all corners of this economy look perfect when it comes to the jobs market. this is may, which means we're talking a lot about college grads, and i talked to one college grad in ohio, carly
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wood, who is graduating actually tomorrow, she was saying she's still having difficulty finding jobs. she applied to 170 jobs. take a listen. >> i think i've actually applied to every single job listing in the greater columbus area at this point, but i would spend about like two hours, three hours a day just going through and applying for jobs, and like rewriting cover letters and tweaking my resume so that it fit that job better. >> so again, broadly speaking this jobs market does look good for a lot of those college grads, though, it's still very much difficult depending on your major to find work, something that shows the nuance in this very weird economy, ana. >> talk about perseverance, all of those applications, go carly, rooting for her. there's still the stubborn inflation. unemployment may be down, but are wages keeping up enough for americans to feel like they can keep their heads above water? >> yeah, when you look at the year-over-year growth and how much people were getting paid in terms of average hourly
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earnings, it was up by over 4%. when you consider that inflation, everything is getting more expensive, that's pacing at 5% year-over-year. so it means that your wages are not keeping up with how much more expensive things are getting. so even though people have jobs, it is certainly the case that inflation continues to pinch americans as the federal reserve tries to raise interest rates to hopefully get that inflation down. >> so robin, how could today's numbers impact the fed as they consider any further rate hikes to try to cool inflation? >> i think it's stubbornly impressive growth, almost growth flation. if you were to have a couple of beers with jerome powell, if he's into that, he'd gladly trade higher unemployment for lower inflation. they have said in the past that they'd prefer closer to 2%. i don't know if they're romancing some sort of fantasy, but this economy, i think, defies belief in many respects. you have so many people out there who'd be polled and say
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that the misery index is far higher than what these numbers bear out. you wouldn't imagine this is the lowest unemployment rate in recent history or in history bar none for african americans, and then that we're revisiting an overall unemployment low not seen since 1969. but then again the fed's job is to have the economy be not too hot and not too cold. it might have to hold rates this high for a longer period if we keep seeing this kind of stubborn growth. >> strong jobs report, but this week we also saw new turmoil in the banking sector, additional rate hike, robin juxtaposing those facts, make sense of the economy for us right now. >> it's so hard to make sense right now. the banks in realtime are tightening themselves because there's fear, the stocks of small and regional banks are getting killed. everybody's saying who's next. this has seen unbelievable intervention for the likes of first republic and silicon valley bank. you wouldn't expect to have a banking crisis in this kind of
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environment, compared to the fear and dread and loathing of 2008 and 2009. there isn't much of that out there. it's a high class problem, but then again, the fed has taken rates up a whole five points since march of 2022, and that is whiplashing. that is a tremendous rate of change and a lot of banks got caught behind the ball in this case, and you're seeing people having to fess up. that by itself is creating some sort of parallel tightening to what the fed is doing. is the fed going to consider that? already people in the bond marketing wondering when, not if we're going to have interest rate cuts. >> we saw the markets liking today's jobs report. that's up for now as well. robin farzad and brian chunk, thank you both so much. just ahead i'll talk with mitch landrieu, a senior adviser to president biden about the state of our economy. let's fast forward for just a moment. this afternoon a federal judge could set a record for the longest prison term for a january 6th defendant, we're talking about peter schwartz who
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faces a sentence up to 294 months, potentially more than 24 years in a federal prison. he was convicted last week of assaulting police officers during the capitol attack. this comes a day after four proud boys including their former leader were found guilty in a seditious conspiracy trial. joining us now, former federal prosecutor michael zeldin, and katherine christian, former assistant manhattan district attorney. it's so great to have both of you here with us for this discussion. we've got lots to talk about. michael, let me start with you. here we have the guilty verdicts in this seditious conspiracy trial with the proud boys, and then you have today's sentencing of peter schwartz, possibly up to 24 years behind bars. as you put those together, what does that glean or what can you glean in terms of the strength of the doj's cases involving january 6th? >> so far so good. they have prosecuted and convicted essentially everyone of the most serious crimes. this guy schwartz is going to
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get 20 plus years in jail if the justice department has their way, he was convicted of assaulting a police officer using his own weapon against him. using donald trump as his excuse. nobody bought it. same thing with the proud boys. they said yes today in their closing arguments, the day before in their closing argument, this is all donald trump's fault. it's not ours. nobody bought it. they've all essentially been convicted, and the thing to see, ana, is what does doj do next? they've gotten all the people on the ground convicted of the most serious offenses. now do they go from the boots on the ground to the suits on the podium. >> i think a lot of people are watching for that, and of course that's more in the purview of the special counsel as we've been discussing, jack smith. can i just ask you, though, specific lib about the proud boys verdict. it wasn't just the proud boys but it was the oath keepers before that who were convicted on this seditious conspiracy charge, which as you point out is a very serious charge. what do you think these verdicts mean for how the doj approaches
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prosecution of extremist groups moving forward? >> well, i think that merrick garland started his career in some sense with the bombing that killed all those people in oklahoma. he's been at this for a very long time in his heart, and i think that he takes this stuff very, very seriously, and i think he's going to continue to pursue this until the end of the cases to be made. and we'll see if he then switches gears to the organizers, the people who raised the money, who incited the crowd by speech without being there, and the prosecution and conviction of tarrio, the guy who wasn't there at the time is a good portend of their capacity to convince a jury that you don't have to be on the ground to be criminally liable. >> katherine, let's turn to the series of legal entanglements surrounding former president donald trump, where there are a number of headlines this morning
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including trump's attorneys seeking to move the manhattan district attorney's hush money case to federal court. what's the legal strategy there? do you think this is going to happen? >> well, the legal strategy is twofold. one, they are entitled to make the application, and the federal district court is entitled to deny it. one can say it's an attempt to delay the proceedings. i don't think effectively it will delay the imagine d.a.'s office state proceedings because yesterday in court the state judge told both sides this trial will probably happen in february or march of 2024. so the decision by the federal district court judge whether or not they will remove the manhattan d.a.'s office case is supposed to legally happen promptly. so that decision will be made right away. what was interesting about the filing that attorneys for mr. trump filed yesterday in federal court, it gives us now his defense. his defense is basically, yes, i wrote these checks to michael
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cohen, but they were not false entries. i was not falsifying business records. these were legal fees. these were retainers. so he's still sticking with the these were legal fees. so it's going to be michael cohen is a liar. so we now know that's the defense. >> colleen, the plaintiff, the liar is a go-to tactic or defense these days it seems because that's what we're seeing in the civil rape and defamation case in new york brought by e. jean carroll and closing arguments are expected next week. trump has so far declined to even appear at this trial. the judge did give him until sunday to change his mind, to perhaps testify, but at this point the defense is saying they're not planning to call any witnesses. what are you watching here? >> well, he went on a vent yesterday, which is not surprising, and that's probably one of the reasons why the judge in the civil rape case said i'm going to give you until sunday because his attorneys are saying one thing, and their client, mr. trump is saying another while
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he's in ireland. he's saying he has to go back to face this false accusation, and this hostile judge and so the judge, judge kaplan said, okay, you have until the end of sunday to determine whether or not your client is going to testify. i don't think he will. i think it's his usual bluster, and the jury will get the case. monday both sides are supposed to give their closing arguments, and then there will be a verdict, and will determine whether or not he will be found liable for rape. >> that's right, and this is a civil case, so this wouldn't include any kind of jail time obviously if he is found guilty by those jurors. thank you so much katherine christian and michael zeldin for being here to discuss all these legal developments. i know the conversation will continue as these cases are ongoing. appreciate you. when we're back in just 60 seconds, growing calls for charges after the chokehold death of a man on a new york city subway, what the city's mayor, a former cop, is saying. shocking new video showing
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at whether or not this was self-defense or if anyone acted with excessive force in restraining a homeless man with mental health issues. this morning calls for charges to be filed are growing louder, four days after 30-year-old jordan neely was killed on a new york city subway. the medical examiner ruling his death a homicide by chokehold. an attorney for his family spoke with nbc news. >> it will be incredible to me if the outcome of this was no charge because how can you say that it's okay for someone to strangle someone. >> reporter: new york's governor calling the actions on the train an extreme response. >> just looking at that video you know it's wrong. no one has the right to take the life of another person. >> the stay's mayor cautioning against a rush to judgment. >> i have faith in the criminal justice system, and i'm going to let the process take its place. >> reporter: in a cell phone video taken during the brawl, a 24-year-old man is seen holding neely in a chokehold. several other passengers also helped pin him down. emts were unable to revive the
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30-year-old, a known street performer who the nypd says was homeless at the time. the witness who took the video said neely was acting aggressively when he got on the subway. saying he was hungry. he was thirsty. that he didn't care about anything. he didn't care about going to jail. he didn't care that he gets a big life sentence. it doesn't even matter if i die. the attorney for the family says neely struggled with mental health issues since his mother was killed when he was 14 years old, but adds having a bad day doesn't justify violence. police have not publicly identified the men involved, but say they did question and release the one who had neely in a chokehold. neely's aunt says her nephew will be remembered for his tall event and love of dancing. for protesters outside the district attorney identifies, justice means criminal charges. >> where is the justice? how does justice look in 2023? >> reporter: new york city is dealing with a crisis of
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homelessness right now, the highest level since the great depression. in february alone, more than 70,000 people spent a night in a shelter, and that doesn't count the people who are living on the streets. the mayor of this city says one of his priorities is to make sure those people don't end up living on the subway. back to you. >> stephanie gosk, thank you for that reporting. and in atlanta, an update on the man who led police on an hours' long manhunt after allegedly shooting five women, killing one of them at an atlanta medical facility. 24-year-old deion patterson has now been charged with murder and four counts of aggravated assault. patterson did not appear in court yesterday. his next court date has not yet been set. we'll keep an eye on this one. and now to new developments in the brutal murders of four university of idaho students. we have newly released video giving us more insight into suspect bryan kohberger. we have new body camera footage of police searching his apartment in washington, another video showing kohberger stopped by police at a traffic
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intersection a month before the murders. nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin has more. >> hey there, in addition to those videos, our nbc affiliate ktvb reports it has obtained new documents that allege for the first time traces of blood were found in kohberger's washington state apartment. it's another piece of evidence prosecutors could use to build their case against him. >> police department, search warrant, come to the door! >> reporter: this morning newly released police body cam video showing officers at bryan kohberger's washington state apartment on december 30th. >> show yourself. we have a search warrant for the building. >> reporter: earlier that same night on the other side of the country, kohberger was arrested at his family home in pennsylvania. according to police documents obtained by nbc affiliate ktvb through a public records request, different parts of kohberger's washington state apartment tested positive for blood, including a mattress
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cover on the bed described as having a brown irregular drip. ktvb also reports that there were also two separate stains on an uncased pillow on the south side of the bed. according to the documents one had traces of blood. what's not clear is who that blood belonged to. authorities previously revealing a laundry list of other items taken from the apartment that night including a chemical resistant black glove, multiple hair strands and possibly animal haircutings. police also seizing a number of electronic devices. kohberger was arrested in late december and charged with the stabbing murders of zanna kerr noble, and caylee gonzalves. they were students at the university of idaho. a month before the murders kohberger was involved in a traffic stop on the campus of washington state university where he was a graduate student. body camera video of that run-in released overnight. >> i think you know why i stopped you, you ran the red light. >> what actually happened was i
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was stuck in the middle of the intersection. >> the video showing a distressed kohberger in his white hyundai elantra. the same car authorities later seized from his family's home. the officer explaining he was blocking an intersection and ran a red light, both ticketable offenses. >> what would the appropriate thing for me to have done -- >> he was eventually let go with a warning. >> never even occurred to me that was actually something wrong. >> kohberger has not formally entered a plea. he believes he will be exonerated. kohberger's next hearing will be june 26th in moscow, idaho. back to you. >> thank you. up next on "ana cabrera reports," russia's new threats of retaliation today over its claims of an attack on the kremlin. we're live in ukraine where tensions have been high for days. plus, i'll talk with former new orleans mayor mitch landrieu, senior adviser to president biden about this morning's jobs report as the u.s. struggles to tame inflation
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infrastructure coordinator, former new orleans mayor mitch landrieu. mayor, thanks so much for coming in herersere better than the economists expected. what's your assessment? >> the numbers are great. the numbers have gone up. unemployment's gone down. that's exactly what you want. it's evidence that we're having the strongest economic recovery really in the history of the country, and one of the most equitable ones, and proof that the president's vision for investing in america through the infrastructure law, the chips act, the inflation reduction act is actually really building an economy from the bottom up and middle out. good news all around, the economy's strong and stable. >> let me just hit you with some of the other headlines from this week that aren't all good news. we saw the fed having to raise interest rates again. that's hitting people in their pocketbook. >> no question about it. >> inflation isn't cooling fast enough. that's the reason they did it. we've seen the bank failures, we've been reporting on home prices are still rising. so what do you see as the biggest vulnerability right now facing the u.s. economy? >> it's all about balance. inflation is too high still. we're still continuing to work
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on that. actually in the last nine months because of the work we're doing inflation has gone down 45%. that's moving in the right direction. >> still higher than wage growth though. >> no question about it. it's going in the right direction. jobs up, unemployment down, inflation has gone down, which means the economy is stable and strong. it doesn't mean you don't have challenges, which is why the president has been investing in america. when you're investing in building roads and bridges and airports and ports, you're building jobs that really matter. 12.1 million jobs, 800,000 manufacturing jobs that don't require a college degree, it means that we're in a good pox to deal with the challenges coming our way. it's how you deal with them and how fast you solve them. >> what about the banking sector? what is this administration doing to ensure more banks don't fail. >> there's no question that the secretary of treasury in our administration has been working with and analyzing and cooperating with the fed and all the other folks on this banking situation, all of the major folks out there that know a lot
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about this that say, listen, we have some challenges but the banking system is stable in america. you're going to have ups and downs from time to time, but they don't think this is going to be cataclysmic. >> there's a gallup survey that says 50% -- >> i think it's been managed fairly well so far. you have to contain the challenge. some of this is a little bit of fear. essentially it will balance itself out over time. >> americans aren't confident, but you're saying they should be. as we mentioned earlier in the show, the fed has now raised interest rates a tenth time in a row. it's historic where what we're seeing right now, i don't have to tell you how much this is hurting people at home, and so do you think we'll see the fed scale back on their interest rate hikes? might those rates tick down given as you've outlined the strength of the economy that the biden administration is feeling right now? >> first of all, the president said from the beginning that the fed is independent. he needs to leave the fed to do
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their job and try and do it well. the fed has tried to manage raising interest rates. the president has talked about that for a long time. that's why he's been working on lowering prices, prescription drugs, health care costs, other ways to make sure people actually have good decisions they can make at their kitchen table, like the ones he had to make with his dad when they were kids. >> the president's about to meet with speaker mccarthy because there is a debt deadline coming up for the u.s. what's going to happen if they can't come up with a deal and the u.s. defaults on its debt? >> well, the first thing to say about this is this nation is not a deadbeat nation, that we were all taught very early you pay your debts, and that's what the united states of america can do, and the president is not going to let this country default on its debts because that is our first obligation. the second thing to remember about this is this is a manufactured crisis. this does not have to be a crisis. this is a crisis that has been foisted upon the people of america who are being held hostage by the republicans in congress.
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the debt limit, the one we're talking about now has actually been raised 78 times since 1960, three times with no conditions when president trump was in office. this is just the republicans in congress wanting to leverage the american people, and essentially threatening the american people with defaulting on our loans causing -- moving us more quickly to a recession, costing the hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of jobs unless we actually hurt people, and the way they want to hurt people is they want to take funding away from air traffic controlling, rail safety. they literally want to cut funding for meals for seniors. they want to hurt veterans by taking away the ability to deliver health care to them all in the guise of wanting to be fiscally responsible. this president since we've been in office has reduced the deficit by $1 trillion, and he has a budget that he's proposed, and by the way, the republicans have not proposed a budget, that further reduces the deficit by $3.2 trillion. the president has said listen, let's have a grown up conversation. pass the debt limit, let's get
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past this manufactured crisis you made that threatens the economy. let's have a face-to-face conversation about what we ought to spend, who we ought to spend it on, where our values are. if your values are giving tax cuts to the rich or to the oil and gas companies or the pharmaceutical companies, that's fine. you tell the american people that. mine are protecting the working class folks of america. >> former mayor mitch landrieu, adviser to the president, thanks so much for coming on. happy friday, good to be here with you. turning now to the war in ukraine where russia is threatening to take, quote, concrete action in response to the alleged drone attack on the kremlin this week. russia's accusing ukraine of coordinating with the united states to target the kremlin with that attack, both the united states and ukraine are denying any involvement in the attack, and the video has not been authenticated by u.s. authorities. now, this as there are new developments today in the bloody battle for eastern ukraine. the leader of the wagner group
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has posted a series of videos threatening to withdraw his mercenaries from bakhmut by wednesday if russia does not supply him with more ammunition. nbc news correspondent ellison barber is live now from kyiv, ukraine. ellison, what's the latest you're hearing on let's start with the drone attack and the war in the east. >> reporter: yeah, ana, yesterday evening there were plumes of smoke over kyiv's skyline after a series of explosions were heard in the heart of the capital. what a lot of people initially thought might be another russian air attack turned out to be one of ukraine's own drones. i think we have some video and possibly sound we can play for you of what we saw and heard yesterday evening. ukraine, they are saying that one of their drones simply malfunctioned. you hear the sound there. understandably people in the streets were fleeing not knowing
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what was happening. again, the thought among most people was this was another russian attack, possibly in retaliation for those claims coming out of moscow that they say ukraine had something to do with an alleged assassination attempt on president vladimir putin, something ukrainian officials deny. later we found out from ukraine's air force that they said they were flying one of their drones, a planned sort of launch practice, if you will, and that there was some sort of issue. i believe at this point that it was a technical malfunction, and they made the decision to shoot it out of the sky. we were told yesterday that there was at least one four-story building that caught fire, but officials here say there were no casualties or injuries as a report of this instance. it was a reminder of how tense things are here right now. we have this massive pause where russia was not targeting the capital city with missiles or drones like they had been in the winter. but all of that has changed in about the last week. since those allegations came
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from moscow, there's been a lot of concern here that there could be some sort of large scale attack that russia is trying to plan on the city. that's at least what some of president zelenskyy's top advisers have warned of. you mentioned situation in bakhmut there, that continues to be the longest, bloodiest battle of this war, and right now what we are hearing from the head of the wagner group in a series of videos posted on social media is a very angry leader demanding more ammunition from russia's ministry of defense and threatening if he doesn't get it that he will pull his troops out of that city by wednesday. ana. >> ellison barber, thank you so much for the latest there. i want to give everybody a quick programming note. andrea mitchell will speak with ukraine's ambassador to the u.s. at noon eastern today, so keep it right here on msnbc. up next on "ana cabrera reports, growing concerns about a humanitarian crisis at the southern border as more migra cross. i'll talk with henry cuellar
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welcome back. now to the growing humanitarian crisis at the southern border. this afternoon dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas will give an update on the planning in place ahead of the lifting of title 42, the covid era restriction that's limited the number of migrants able to cross the border. it comes as the numbers of migrants hoping for asylum along the border continues to climb. nbc news had a chance to be part of a ride-along with dhs and customs and border protection officials seen here as they now average more than 2,000 apprehensions each day in the rio grande valley. nbc news correspondent julia ainsley is joining us from edinburgh, texas, with more here.
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you had a chance to be part of a pool of reporters on that ride-along with dhs and u.s. border patrol. what did you see? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, i'm here in edinburgh, texas, now along the border in the rio grande valley, and i've had a chance to speak to people who are worried about the growing number of migrants they're already seeing ahead of that title 42 lift next week when they expect those numbers rise, maybe even double. i was able to speak to some of the migrants about why they're coming now. here's what they had to say. >> we've been threatened for some time. it was my last resort. i couldn't live there anymore. >> i'm from mexico, guadalajara, there's a lot of crime, no work now, just a lot of crime. >> reporter: as you can see, a lot of people just feel desperate. they say they knew this was the only time they could come, and a lot of people are confused about what title 42 means. rather than waiting until next week they were desperate and needed to come now. oftentimes these people are getting misinformation from
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smugglers about u.s. immigration policy. some people are told sherkd come now and they can't get in next week. there's a lot of confusion about what the biden administration's policies will be going forward. we will hear later today from alejandro mayorkas about his plans and he will send the message loud and clear that the border is not opening, and it is not opening anytime soon. we. >> thank you for your reporting. for more now joining us is texas democratic congressman henry cuellar. congressman, thank you for being here. julia just gave us a glimpse of the current challenges at the border right now. border officials expect the number of migrants crossing daily could double when the covid border restrictions switch next week. what need to happen before then to prevent complete chaos? >> there are some things in particular that i support. i just believe it's a little too late to implement them. nevertheless there will be some
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things that will be in place that should slow that down. i think next week and this week we're seeing just large numbers because there's a lot of people already in the pipeline that is passing through mexico, passing through other countries. so we have -- and listen, i live on the border. wront just go visit over there, i hear the reasons why people want to come in across. keep in mind that asylum law says there's got to be persecution by a state. just because they're desperate or don't have a particular job, that's not a reason to be allowed into the u.s. so we got to understand what the laws are right now. i live here on the border. my father came the legal way. he came as a legal resident. became a naturalized citizen. they did it the right away like a lot of hispanics did down here in south texas. i can tell you people are getting upset. people are getting concerned by what they're seeing.
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these are first generation hispanicss have been down there. what they're seeing is people just jumping in, coming in in way that they want to. just crossing the border without any regard to what the laws are, and it's getting a lot of my constituents very upset and concerned. i can go to church. i can go to a store. doesn't matter where i go. people will come in and talk to me because they're concerned. and they're not right wingers. these are just normal who want to talk to me about this issue. >> i wonder if some of the people crossing the border know what the legal way is to get through the border. we've told so many stories about their desperation and journeys through incredible terrain and all the challenges they faced along the way. i wonder if there's nor you think the biden administration should be doing, could be doing
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right now to help the border communities you represent. >> you know, they've done some good things, some of the things that some of us have been talking for the last two years. >> like what? >> well, for example, processing centers. they're going to be set up in guatemala and colombia where people can make those requests over there. they're doing some work with panama columbia, the agreement to slow down people in the darion gap so they don't make this dangerous trek over here. and again, you know, there's a new rules that's coming into place that basically says if they put it into place before may 11th, that basically says if you come in between ports of entry, we're going to send you back. do it through the app or come through the port of entry and do it the right way instead of just coming in. look, it's like if you invite me to dinner to your house and you say, henry, i'll see you there at 6:00 and then i decide to show up six hours early, i decide to come through the back door, i decided to come through a window and i decided to bring 20 of my cousins to dinner, you
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would be the first one to say, hey, slow down. let's do this the right way, and that's what we're seeing at the border. i live here. i don't just come and visit. my border communities don't like what we're seeing down here at the border. we as democrats can have law and order and still respect the immigrants' values. my parents are, values, we've got to have law and order at the border. >> i think everybody can agree with that. homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas is at the border right now. do you have confidence in secretary mayorkas? >> i do. you know, i do. i just think there were other forces that were holding him back, holding the career people like ortiz and the border patrol forces. >> what are the forces holding them back? >> it's the white house. quite honestly there were some staffers at the white house, i stopped talking to the white
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house. i just talked to homeland because their per spect i is very different from our perspective. it was okay to try to bring in as many people. i believe in immigration, but when is enough enough? and that's what some of us at the border are saying, and can't we do this in an orderly process? yes, you know, i believe in immigration, and i want to see people come in. we've got to do it the right way. just having people streaming into our communities where we're seeing, i mean, we've got communities that are very concerned, and it's not only the urban areas, but you talk to one of my ranchers, one of my landowners, they tell you that at nighttime, it's not the old days where you can live in a ranch and a small little piece of land and feel secure, they're worried about what's happening down at the border. >> i hear you, but respectfully, congressman, it is the u.s. congress that has the power to change immigration law, and that hasn't happened in decades.
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it's been something multiple administrations have been trying to grapple with for decades. the system is broken, and you could be part of that solution. >> yeah, but let me tell you this, you know, it's very easy for people to say the system is broken. let me tell you this, i agree, you know, i believe in full immigration reform, but there are a lot of things from the books right now, you know, what do we mean by the system is broken? it just basically what i think we can enforce the law. we can put policies in place, and just say that the system is broken is an easy way to not doing what we need to do at the border and working with other people, other countries like mexico, guatemala and other folks that want to work with. i agree, i support immigration reform, but just to say, quote, the system is broken is an easy way out to not doing what we
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need to do at the border, and that is provide law and order at the border and still respect the dignity of the immigrants that have legitimate, i emphasize, legitimate claims. >> i really appreciate your perspective, thank you so much for your time. texas congressman henry cuellar. i look forward to continuing this conversation moving forward as well. up next here on ana cabrera reports, britain's first coronation in 70 plus years as king charles is crowned trm, but how do folks in the united kingdom really feel about the monarchy. a ticket to ride, nbc's steve kornacki is at churchill downs ahead of the kentucky derby. downs ahead of the kentuc derby. ♪ start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, the #1 pharmacist recommended you can make it even smarter.
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years. and royal expert dave mcandrew is joining us from outside buckingham palace here on set with me is alex witt who will be helming our coverage tomorrow. >> that surprise walk about that happened a few feet around the corner from where i'm sitting, that really delighted the crowd s who have been waiting. the weather has been terrible earlier today. we had thunder, lightning, heavy rain, and these poor people have been camping out, in fact, i think the king spoke to one chap from phoenix, arizona, camping there for a number of days and getting very soggy. they were delighted to see kate and william and the king. kate was asked how she is -- how the children are, she said she feels like she's a bit like a swarm, hoping to appear calm and serene, but paddling like mad underneath the surface.
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she said the children are excited, but nervous. there are strong rumors this afternoon that little louis is going to be there at the abbey tomorrow. all eyes on him. we can all sympathize with kate feeling a little nervous perhaps tomorrow. but, of course, the main person involved is the king. this is a day he's been preparing for, since he was a 4-year-old when he became the heir to the throne. he's a very disciplined man, he's been thinking, studying, you know, getting ready for this moment. but i suspect even he will be feeling nervous tonight. >> everybody is excited, i think, including here in the u.s. we know there are watch parties that are going to be happening, including some businesses opening at like 2:30 in the morning on the west coast for the royal watchers who want to participate in that way. what do you think is behind the american fascination with the royals? >> i think it is about glamour, about, you know, crown jewels, about seeing 7,000 sailors,
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airmen and soldiers in all their finist regalia, you know, going through a beautiful parade, marching on the mall, getting to the westminster abbey. it is about history i think most of all. you think about the history of the family, it is remarkable. 1917, you can trace the history of the windsor family and when it changed its name and became the windsors. 871, that is the year that this family can trace its lineage back to king alfred the great. we don't have anything like that here in the united states. we were a nascent country, maybe 800 years after that. so i think it is all about that, the pomp and circumstance, what you will see. there will be some archaic sounding things there, but if you think it has been around since, i don't know, norman conquest, it is hear to the phrases and be reminded of history and what it all stands for. >> it has a fantasy aspect of it. i remember growing up as a little girl loving the disney princess movies and this is real life, kings, queens, princesses,
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exactly. well, ladies, thank you so much. it will be fascinating to watch tomorrow. and i'm wondering, do you have your fascinators ready to go? do they do that for this sort of event as well? >> undecided as yet. >> okay. well, stay tuned, right? you can catch alex's coverage of the coronation starting tomorrow at 5:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next on "ana cabrera reports," steve kornacki is at churchill downs crunching the odds ahead of saturday's kentucky derby. ing the odds ahead of saturday's kentucky derby enol rapid release gels have laser-drilled holes. they release medicine fast... for fast pain relief. and now... ...get relief without a pill. with tylenol dissolve packs. relief without the water.
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tomorrow it is off to the races for the 149th annual kentucky derby in louisville. here to break down the odds is steve kornacki, political correspondent joining us now from churchill downs, kentucky. steve, what -- what can we expect at tomorrow's race? >> reporter: the countdown is on. 6:57 tomorrow night eastern
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time, the gates are going to open and the most exciting two minutes of sports, the run for the roses is going to commence. this is an interesting week in the buildup to this race, there has been unusual flux with this race. just within the last 24 hours, four horses who were all set to run in this race have now scratched out of this race. most notably one of them, practical move had one the santa anita derby, a very prestigious race, considered one of the more likely winners, scratched out of this race. three horses that originally weren't going to be in the race, they were on the wait list, they have gotten into the race. there is all sorts of chaos when it comes to who is going to be in the field and what the odds are going to be. the main story line heading into tomorrow, at least right now, remains the same. the favorite for this race is poised to be a horse named forte. forte trained by todd pletcher, a legendary trainer. he started more horses in this race than anybody else, he's won it twice.
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he's poised to have the favorite with forte and not just that, we think the second choice, the second betting choice is going to be a horse who is also trained by todd pletcher. he may have the top two choices according to the public. two horses from japan, the japanese horses have been taking the world by storm. they have won all the major prestigious events, except this one. is tomorrow the day for them? >> we have so much suspense with that report you just gave us. we know who to watch. thank you, steve kornacki. enjoy the weekend. looks beautiful there in kentucky. that's going to do it for us today. thank you so much for being here. i'll see you back here monday, same time, same place. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. the world health organization declaring covid-19 no longer a
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