spotlight completely on them because their star dust will shake -- will also reach camilla and charles. >> and very, very briefly, of course, harry will be there, not meghan, and how is that all going to play out, at least in public? >> reporter: all eyes will be on harry. there will be body language experts trying to work out what the relationship is like between him and william. we're led to believe it is pretty rock bottom. there is some optimism that the relationship between charles and harry is on the mend. >> daisy mcandrew, as always, thank you so much. that does it for us for "andrea mitchell reports" this week, happy cinco de mayo, chris jansing reports with lindsey reiser starts right now. ♪♪ good day, i'm lindsey reiser in for chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. help can't come soon enough for officials facing a growing number of people trying to cross

the border, thousands more are coming every day than just last month, and that's before title 42 expires next thursday. plus, markets are soaring after the april jobs report blew away expectations, unemployment dropping back to its lowest level in more than 50 years. the good news may be short lived, especially if republicans and the white house can't agree on how to raise the debt limit in the next three and a half weeks. can the president tap into his decades of experience as a deal maker when it matters the most? we start, though, in texas where that highly anticipated surge of migrants crossing into the u.s. that we were expecting after title 42 expired next week has already begun. that's raising new fears about whether the immigration system can handle the growing humanitarian crisis, and what's in store for u.s. border communities with thousands more people still on their way. and the rio grande valley where the dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas will be speaking next hour, the average number of

people being apprehended or expelled has tripled from less than 600 a day in march to more than 2,000 a day this week. across the entire southwest border, the daily average has gone from around 5,000 in march to more than 7,000 last month. officials say it could reach 10,000 a day once the policy actually expires next week. nbc's julia ainsley is in texas with more. >> reporter: local officials here say they need more help from the federal government ahead of next week's lifting of title 42. those are those covid-19 restrictions that so far have kept migrants from entering the country to claim asylum over 2.5 million times. and rio grande valley just in recent weeks has become the busiest sector in terms of crossings where they've apprehended over 2,000 migrants a day, but here processing happens a little more quickly. they're able to get a lot of these people out or into the country where they could pursue asylum claims, if they qualify, but we understand that next week they think that they could be looking at a lot of

overcrowding, like places in el paso where they have over a thousand migrants sleeping on the streets. we also understand that secretary mayorkas is in this area where he's been speaking to worder agents to prepare for the lifting of title 42 and sending the message that even with those changes the border is not open and it's secure. in fact, we saw a deportation flight today take over 130 migrants, men and women, back to guatemala. they were shackled and we understand they were turned back before they could claim asylum because of title 42. the u.s. government will lose that authority next week, but migrants will still face many restrictions when it comes to claiming asylum. if they didn't first claim asylum in a country they passed through, they could be deemed ineligible. they also have an app where they can make appointments to see an asylum officer, but we know a lot of migrants who are waiting in northern mexico have been incredibly frustrated by that. we understand tens of thousands of migrants are waiting in northern mexico border towns desperate to come into the united states and pursue asylum claims. in the next week, we could see

more frustration from those migrants and more overcrowding from officials here as they deal with the surge along the southern border. >> julia ainsley, thank you. i want to bring in nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. so garrett, this is a complex issue. are lawmakers even talking about what they could possibly do, or are you finding it seems difficult to get lawmakers to discuss this let alone find common ground. >> reporter: there's plenty of conversation on this issue, and frankly, there has been for years. one republican lawmaker involved in these talks described it to me as saying immigration is the issue on which congress has never failed to fail. there's been tons of ideas put forward about how to approach this, and there will be more next week when house republicans are hoping to put their big immigration bill on the floor. the thing that might be most responsive to this particular crisis is a bipartisan bill put forward by senators tillis and sinema, they started talking about this yesterday to try to give president biden the same expulsion authority that exists

in title 42 but without the public health component, basically stripping all the covid language and giving the president authority to expel more migrants. it would have to pass a republican-controlled house. that's certainly not going to happen before title 42 disappears next week, but again, it's one of many ideas that have been surfaced on immigration in recent years that may or may not make any progress. >> i mean, years ago there was an idea that you could somehow combine border security and a path to citizenship, and both sides would be placated. what happened to that? >> reporter: well, the short answer is donald trump started talking about building a wall in mexico, and then he started doing it, and i think what you have right now is a situation where republicans aren't really willing to entertain anything that could be described as amnesty or even immigration reform if it doesn't include resuming construction of the wall along the u.s./mexico border, and democrats aren't willing to do anything that could be considered border security if it involves building the wall. it's become such a hot button

issue, such a symbolic issue that it's functionally stopped any real serious kind of big picture immigration reform from going anywhere in congress. >> all right, garrett haake, thank you for that reporting. i want to go ahead and bring in former homeland security secretary janet napolitano, secretary, thank you for being here. >> you're welcome, how are you? >> i'm very well, thank you. what is your level of concern about what you're seeing at the border, what's coming after title 42 is lifted, and also to what garrett just said, at this point it has become almost such a hot button issue that it feels like congress appears paralyzed? >> well, what we're seeing at the border and what we've been anticipating is that there will be a surge in migration attempts once title 42 is lifted. now, there's been a lot of planning put in place to deal with that surge, but when you're talking about 10,000 or so apprehensions a day, it's a logistical problem. it's a humanitarian issue, and it's a legal issue, and

congress's inability to deal with immigration is almost fatal here because we're dealing with an immigration system that hasn't been amended since 1986. >> your last full year secretary as dhs secretary was 2012. that year there were roughly 350,000 so-called encounters along the southwest border. ten years later in 2022 there were 2.3 million. do those sheer numbers shock you, and how did we get here? >> well, we got here because it's a hemispheric issue. it deals with the increase in migration from venezuela, from the countries of central america, from cuba, and those numbers added to kind of the normal pace of migration along the southwest border, and also the resources the united states

put along the border increased the number of apprehensions. there were more officers patrolling the border and working at the ports. >> secretary, since it appears congress isn't close to any real reform, can dhs handle this issue on its own? >> well, i think it will be a struggle, but i think they have a plan in place. they've moved resources to the extent that they can. they've made very clear that the border is not open and that those who are caught at the border will be removed under the existing legal authority called title 8, and once they're removed under title 8, they cannot attempt to come into the country legally for at least five years. so they're trying to send that message, while at the same time working with the communities and

nonprofit organizations and others along the southwest border to handle the surge in migration that is anticipated. >> secretary, how do you view the bottleneck that we're seeing at the border? i mean, we know that smugglers are feeding asylum seekers misinformation. we know that these people are being manipulated by them, but then once they come here, is it a matter of border security, is it the system that processes asylum seekers isn't expedient enough? >> well, expedited removal is the name of the game and what dhs has done is -- has been to train and move a lot of officers from one of its subagencies called cis to the border to actually conduct what are called the credible fear interviews because you're not entitled to come into the country and claim asylum unless you can initially establish that you have a credible fear of persecution

from your country of origin. and so by doing that, they hope to be able to process these migrants as swiftly as possible certainly within 72 hours. >> but we're still seeing secretary, for example, people camped out in juarez and el paso, expedient, even though expedited removals is the name of the game, even though many of these people are seeking asylum from incredibly dangerous situations, what's happening right now isn't tenable either. >> right. like i said it is a logistical are problem. it is a humanitarian problem, and it's a legal problem, and i think we can anticipate and i think dhs has planned for -- the administration has planned for there will be a surge once title 42 is lifted. what we can hope for is that as the word gets out in the migrant community that there are expedited removals, that there's a five-year ban, that there are

improved and enlarged legal pathways to come into the country, that that surge will dissipate. >> you are one of the few people who knows what secretary mayorkas is going through. what can or should he say today? >> i think what he needs to do is reassure the border communities that he's on top of the situation, he needs to communicate the plans that dhs has made. he needs to communicate to the public at large throughout the united states that the border is a tough situation, it's a logistical, humanitarian, and legal situation as i've said before, but that we are going to handle it in the best way we can. >> former secretary u.s. homeland security janet napolitano, thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up, "washington post" reporting details, a new scandal for supreme court justice clarence thomas and his wife

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malicious, and gossipy people can be, i have always tried to protect the privacy of justice thomas and ginni. the story continues a pattern of negative headlines, these over just the last month alone that critics say threatens the credibility of the court and raises the pressure on chief justice john roberts to act. let's bring in jake sherman, cofounder of "punchbowl news" and tim miller writer at large for the bulwark and former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign. both are msnbc political contributors. jake, the drip, drip, drip of controversy surrounding clarence thomas suggests this issue isn't going away. can congressional republicans continue to ignore it? what are you hearing on the hill? >> yes, and they probably will. here's the larger issue from 30,000 feet, the supreme court is its own entity and does not believe that it should have to answer to congress and to public opinion. and that's how in their estimation the country has been designed. now, there is a way for congress

to write new ethics requirements for the judicial branch and to pass a law that would tighten these restrictions, which, by the way, the restrictions in some of these cases, the restrictions and the laws that are out there have not been followed by at least justice thomas, but john roberts, the chief justice of the supreme court was invited to capitol hill by dick durbin, the senate judiciary chair to testify. he said no. the senate democrats can't compel him to testify because dianne feinstein is not in washington and has been home sick for several weeks. so this is a big mess, but i think that by and large, republicans are going to continue to say this is a witch hunt. this is a concerted effort to tarnish clarence thomas and his wife, and that's where they've been, and that's where i expect they'll stay to be. >> before these latest headlines, the high court was already facing a crisis of confidence. last year a gallop poll showed only 25% of americans said they

have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in the supreme court. the lowest rating in 50 years. do you see any amount of pressure changing chief roberts' current posture, which is not to address it? >> yeah, i mean, chief roberts has been known to respond to pressure. he's definitely a political actor. he cares about the credibility of the court, and, you know, he engaged in the effort to root out who was the leaker of the dobbs decision, for example. didn't come to a conclusion on that, but i think that that action was a response to pressure. so i think that roberts could respond to increased pressure, and there should be increased pressure on the thomas family. look, the ginni thomas situation is unlike anything else that is happening. and she was actively trying to overthrow the government when she was lobbying with mark meadow and with president trump was going around the white house between the 2020 election and the insurrection on january 6th, and these actions, you know, ten

years ago, it's one thing if it's reported, right, and there's a lot of dark money when it comes to activism in the judicial space. but the defense that leonard leo put forth is preposterous, the idea that she was paid for things that had nothing to do with the court. what was the head of an activist group is advocating around legal issues around the court, what was he paying ginni thomas for if it wasn't business related to what's happening on the court. i think these are very specific allegations related to ginni thomas that are a category difference from some of the other stuff that might not smell great related to harlan crow but might not be a direct issue to the legitimacy of the court. >> jake, while you have some moderate republicans calling into questions the ethics of all of this, you have other hard-liners who are fund-raising off of this. many are likely to go to their constituents to say help protect the supreme court, defend justice thomas here.

do you get a sense that is an effective rallying cry for some of their bases? >> sure, why not? this is where politics is right now. rally your base behind the media in favor of conservatives. tim knows that well, not that he's done it, i'm not suggesting he's done it, but he's talked a lot about this over the last couple of years especially in the trump era. it's very easy, right? it's very easy to say this is something who's being targeted by the left wing media, democrats have no interest in actually discussing any of the issues so they're attacking a conservative justice who's had a great career. it's pretty easy and probably pretty effective among the small base of die hard republicans who are willing to and eager to engage in those kinds of conversations. >> tim, that rings familiar? >> yeah, absolutely. it's the same as a host of issues like to jake's point that you could rally your base, raise small dollar money off this, of playing the victim. the question is is there long-term damage to the party.

the dobbs decision obviously impacted republicans success in the midterms in the suburbs. the more they continue to defend corruption, blindly defend very extremely actions on the hard right, you know, the worse the party's going to be. easy for me to say as a former republican, as a moderate, but like the evidence is in, what we've seen in 2018, 2020, and 2022 that there are voters throughout that are gettable for republicans that will not vote for them if they continue to blindly defend donald trump, blindly defend blatant corruption like we're seeing with clarence thomas and advance extreme far right positions on things like abortion. >> we'll leave this conversation here, but jake sherman and tim miller are staying with me. strong jobs numbers for the month of april. we are breaking down the surprising data and what it means for you. plus, a new king in the uk, we've got all the details on king charles' coronation celebration overseas. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. snbc for .

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with the u.s. economy barrelling toward a debt deadline, the white house is weighing the possibility of a short-term debt extension to allow the administration and congress to keep negotiating sources telling cnbc. the two branches have been locked in a standoff over this with republican house speaker kevin mccarthy under pressure from the right wing of his party demanding spending cuts in exchange for lifting the federal loan limit. president biden and democrats are calling for a clean debt ceiling hike, no strings

attached saying anything else is an attempt to take the economy hostage. jake sherman and tim miller are back with me. you have new extensive reporting in punch bowl on the disconnect between the biden administration and speaker mccarthy. walk us through the strengths and weaknesses on each side. >> let me say this to begin with. there is virtually no chance that congress is going to lift the debt ceiling for 30 or 60 days. i can say that with a ton of certainty based on my reporting. house republicans are not going to engage in that, and if that's the white house's strategy, that actually just adds more to the argument that we've made over the last couple of days in "punchbowl news" that they have zero idea what house republicans want. i get the sense from the white house they're trying to figure out whether kevin mccarthy is playing 3d chess or something. he's not. he's not very complicated on this topic or any topic for that matter. he wants spending cuts, and he's not going to lift a clean debt ceiling. i mean, it's unfortunate for the folks that want a clean debt

ceiling, but they won the house, and that's kind of the problem that the white house now has to contend with. the white house has dug in very deep here, and that's one of their weaknesses, and house republicans have lifted the debt limit, although the bill is complete nonsense, they'll never get it through the senate or it will never be signed into law by president biden, they feel like they've done their job. i can't stress this enough. we are 26 or something days away. i'm bad at math, 27 days away from the nation defaulting for the first time. i've covered the debt limit for 15 or so years. it's tough to get this done in three or four months, let alone three or four weeks, so i can't emphasize how perilous of a situation we now face. >> tim, what's your reading of the situation and who has the leverage right now? >> i totally agree with jake, everything he said. i'd add two things. number one, we're playing a game of chicken right now between mccarthy and biden and the problem is kevin mccarthy i think if you look at his political consideration, i don't

know if he'd say this, but he'd feel safer crashing -- crashing the two cars together in the game of chicken and going over the debt limit and seeing what happens. because he knows if he folded to try to cut a deal with joe biden on this 30 or 60-day or any other kind of small ball thing, he'd have a revolt on his hands from the right side of his party. so it's very hard to negotiate with somebody in a game of chicken when they benefit from a crash. that's one thing. the other thing is kevin also, his side doesn't really seem to be working that hard to me to get a deal with democrats. interview abigail spa abigail s said she hasn't heard from mccarthy. a couple have said they would conceivably work on a deal, but that line of communication isn't even open. kevin appears to be in straight i'm ready to go off the cliff mode. that's where things stand. >> i mean, jake, to borrow a

line from punch bowl, there are plenty of house republicans who don't believe that default would be catastrophic. what's their calculus there? >> that's simply it, there is no complex calculus. they believe that default -- i mean, we've never defaulted before in our nation's history. i guess they'd like to see what it feels like. i can tell you that number is more than 30 house republicans, 40, 50 house republicans who don't think it would be as bad as the white house and treasury claim. i don't know if that's reality. i would say it's are probably not reality but the extent to which they're willing to push this to the brink is under appreciated by the white house, i think, and the composition of this house republican conference is also under appreciated and under estimated by this white house. >> i mean, tim, if people see the borrowing costs for the u.s. go up, if people start to see the stock market tank, their 401(k)s dive, those house republicans aren't necessarily going to be proud necessarily of going over that cliff for the

first time. >> that might be a kind of pain that's required to get some of these folks on board. there's just not like the zealot ri that you have in this house caucus, this is not yesterday's republican party. there's been a big turnover of the types of folks that would work in negotiations, and there's a small group of republicans that are in things like the problem solvers caucus, but the market of the conference is bordering on nihilistic, and their zealotry. i think maybe they would respond to actual pain within their districts and that might be what this takes. the last time we saw anything close to this was over the government shutdown, not the debt limit, whenever that was, 2011. jake memory's better than mine. it really did take things shutting down before there was any movement. >> jake sherman and tim miller, thank you. meanwhile, new numbers out this morning showing the job market beating expectations with

253,000 jobs added in the month of april. that brings the unemployment rate down to 3.4%, tied for the lowest level since 1969. brian cheung is digging into the numbers for us. what should we take away from this report? >> these are not recessionary dynamics in the job market. you don't see an unemployment that's been the lowest since over 50 years in a recession. you don't see 253,000 jobs added in a month in a recession. that side of things tells you that the economy looks pretty good, but overall, very weird because americans are still feeling the pinch of inflation. this report tells us that wages went up by 4.4% year-over-year in the month of april. that sounds okay, but when you consider that things at the store are 5% more expensive year-over-year, it shows you that wages are not keeping up with the prices at the store. >> and it's how they feel, too, right? >> it's how they feel. this is the weirdness of this economy. people have jobs, unemployment is low, but for the people that have jobs, you're still feeling the pinch on your wallet because

of high inflation. that's why the federal reserve has been raising interest rates to deliberately slow this economy hoping they can get those things back in balance. >> does a report like today mean we may not be completely out of the woods when it comes to more rate hikes? >> well, that's certainly one read, but you have to remember that the federal reserve is walking this really thin tight rope that got thinner because not only do you have the worry that the delayed impact of the rate hikes that they've already done will at some point lead to the unemployment rate rising, but they're also doing that during a time where we have a banking issue where there's concern about maybe more regional banks going under after first republic just went earlier this week, and then the debt ceiling which you were just talking about, potentially looming the default of the world's largest economy, so those are things that the federal reserve is trying to navigate around it, and that's a very tough task. >> nbc's brian cheung, thank you. ron desantis may not have the polling numbers right now, but new reporting shows he has the donors. is that enough? you're watching chris jansing

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they say money is power in politics, and right now florida governor ron desantis is sitting on more cash for a potential presidential campaign. new reporting from usa today shows donors from his 2022 gubernatorial campaign are by and large sticking by him and his chances for the 2024 presidential race in spite of the fact he's been falling

behind former president trump in recent polls, usa today spoke to a dozen donors who gave desantis are anywhere from 300 to $10,000. joining me right now is usa today investigative reporter who spoke with those donors, aaron mansfield and nbc's matt dixon from tallahassee where the florida legislative session is set to end today. aaron, first to you here. talk to us about your reporting, a lot of people wondered if taking on disney so aggressively, you found donors aren't ready count him out. >> they aren't ready to continue him up. they were very upfront that he's facing challenges. they blame challenges on other things such as a bad week. these are just stats that we're seeing at a specific time in the race, and you can't count him out completely. with disney, you know, i had someone say i think he knew he was going to get sued by disney. you're taking on a major corporation.

so we really didn't see them just leaving him, and that was something that we found pretty notable in our reporting. >> even, how do these donors respond to questions about the poll numbers showing desantis trailing behind trump? >> well, people are pretty upfront that trump is a master at attacking his opponents and that he has been going after -- he's been going after the florida governor much like he did go after the last florida governor jeb bush in 2016, but they're really not taking him that seriously. as we all know, poll numbers are a point in time, and they're acknowledging this is not his best point in time, but they do think there are better days ahead. they're quick to say it's a marathon, not a sprint. this is week to week. also, the fact that he maybe getting kind of rolled in the mud in the media might be a sign that he's being taken seriously, and that's actually a good thing. so that's what i'm hearing. >> matt, governor desantis has been very involved in this

legislative session and many have weighed in that he's essentially creating a blueprint for the nation with the priorities lined up there in the session. what have we seen so far out of florida? >> it's really been the ron desantis show up here in tallahassee. there's republican super majorities in both chambers. they've been very compliant and really not wanted to create the are perception they're doing anything to stifle a presidential run. they've passed bills championed by desantis for permitless gun carry, making it easier to execute criminals, expanding florida's death penalty. there's new rules on democratic leaning or progressive leaning unions. there's legislation banning children from attending adult themed drag shows, and the big one here is governor desantis signing the six-week abortion ban, which i think is going to play out most in 2024. he signed that late at night kind of behind closed doors. they know it's not very popular, and that did spur some public concern from donors, even though i think money won't be an issue. >> so matt, now that this

session has wrapped up, can we expect to see desantis's schedule looking a little more candidate like? >> sure, without question. i mean, he has done international travel and a lot of early state visits. so the idea that ron desantis is looking like a nascent presidential candidate has already kind of been out there. most people expect an early june, you know, june 1st, from there that will happen in florida, and from there we expect him to take some of these legislative wins and some of the things he wrote in his book to early states and begin the process in earnest of being a presidential candidate and sort of closing that vacuum he has left and trump has so ably attacked thus far. >> thank you both. tomorrow is coronation day, in the uk for king charles and camilla. the pomp and circumstance that will be on display next. and former president trump has a lot to say, but there's one common word he appears to be avoiding. we'll dig into his 2024 campaign

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beer brands now addressing head on the controversy surrounding one of its most popular products. bud light. >> while beer will always be at the table when important topics are debated. the beer itself should not be the focus of the debate. >> reporter: that debate stemming from a brief, but polarizing partnership during march madness with social media star dylan mulvaney who's transgender. >> this month i celebrated my day 365 of womanhood and bud light sent me possibly the best gift ever, a can with my face on it. >> reporter: the commemorative can which was never sold in stores drawing fire from some customers and conservative groups who protested and called for boycotts. >> [ bleep ] bud light. >> reporter: u.s. retail sales of bud light fell roughly 21% amid the controversy compared to the previous year, while sales for rival brands coors light and miller lite rose by ability the same amount. in an earnings call, anheuser busch said it's too soon to know the full impact but pointed out to investors the drop accounted

for just about 1% of the company's global volume, which includes more than 500 brands. >> we need to continue to qualify the facts, that this was one can, one influencer, one post, and not a campaign. >> reporter: the relationship with the trans fell flat with her followers, saying the company didn't do enough to support mulvaney in the backlash. >> what i'm struggling to understand is the need to dehumanize and to be cruel. there's clearly no way of winning over everyone, but if you're still around, i am too, and i love ya. >> all right, that was nbc's emilie ikeda with that reporting. in london today, pomp and pageantry are already on display as the united kingdom prepares for its first coronation in near

ly three-quarters of a century. surveying preparations, shaking hands with subjects who are already queued up to get a good look at the royal family. representatives from 200 companies are expected to attend the ceremony. for more on what we can expect, let's bring in nbc's meagan fitzgerald in london and my colleague alex witt who will be anchoring nbc's coverage of the big day. london hasn't seen anything like this for 70 years. what is the energy like on the ground? >> lindsey, i can tell you the excitement is just mounting. it really is. i mean, we're looking at the mouth, for example, where people have been camped out for days wanting to secure their front row seat to history. the king, he's had a busy day. he started at westminster abbey for a rehearsal, the final rehearsal. then of course he made his way to the mou where he met and greeted many of the fans that were there along with william and kate, and later on tonight we know that he has a rehearsal

or a reception rather with vips, and then of course the big day kicks off tomorrow at 5:30 a.m. local time or in the east coast, 10:30 here. that's when we're going to see the king's procession, the king and queen making their way from buckingham palace to westminster abbey here for that deeply religious ceremony. shortly after the king and queen are crowned, that's when we will see them get into this gold state coach. they will make their way back to buckingham palace with some 4,000 service members lining the streets behind them. it will be quite a spectacle to see. then of course all eyes are going to be on the balcony, waiting to see who from the royal family will be on the balcony with them, the buckingham palace has not confirmed who will be there. of course we will be watching to see if we will see harry standing with his father for this very important moment. >> we will all be watching, meagan fitzgerald, thank you so much. so alex, when we talk about

this, we love to think these royals are just like us. they've got their family stuff going on, but they're not. tomorrow, charles has literally been preparing for this moment his entire life, and this is a heads of state event. we have jill biden who will be attending. the president won't be with her. what can you tell us here about really the pomp and circumstance, the fact that this is a heads of state event, and also this is the first time a first lady is attending a coronation. >> it is the first time. here's a little known fact, back in 1953 when queen elizabeth was crowned, jacqueline boouf yay was a working photojournalist, and she was there not actually in westminster abbey, but she was covering it. she would become engaged to john f. kennedy later that year. i guess may mee when queen eliz was crowned and if you think about it logistically, i mean, jet travel didn't really get going, regular jet service travel, transatlantic until like 1958. she would have had to get on a ship and go for a couple of

weeks, and yes, it's a big deal jill biden is going to be there, wearing an american designer. charles says no gifts. she doesn't have to worry about a gift. >> we have to talk about the historic bling, what can you tell us. >> there's the st. edward's crown. honestly, it originates way back to the 11th century. the one that's being used now was created for king charles ii coronation in 1611. here's the thing, it has a 5 pound solid gold frame. it is horribly heavy. >> 5 pounds? >> he had to practice wearing that, right? >> he has had to practice. he will be given another one after the coronation itself. queen elizabeth would joke about it and say it was frightfully heavy, and it really was. but it has 444 gem stones. you've got 345 aquamarines, 37 white topazes and 12 rubies.

it is extraordinary. he'll get to swap it out after the actual coronation and wear something a wee bit lighter. can you imagine 5 pounds. >> there's a lot of things about this i can't imagine. what i also love, though, is just all the antiques, the scepters, the holy oil. you're going to be anchoring five hours of coverage, what are you going to be watching for? >> i love the history of all of this. we listen to somewhat archaic language sometimes, but if you think about it, this was done back in 1056. the conquest era. it is pretty extraordinary to think of what we'll see, and the history, the repetitive nature. it will be updated somewhat for sure. they try to reflect the times. it will be scaled down due to economic history. i'm going to try to keep this highbrow. we're going to slip it in. watching to see if harry shows, where he shows. he'll be there.

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