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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> when you said in that video that ms. leads would not be your first choice, you were referring to her physical looks, correct? >> just the overall, i look at her. i see her. i hear what she says. whatever. you wouldn't be a choice of mine either, to be honest with you. i hope you're not insulted. i would not any circumstances have any interest in you. >> his defense lawyers must be shaking their heads. trump just casually launching a misogynistic attack on the plaintiff's lawyer in the deposition in his civil rape trial. plus, clarence and ginni thomas' wealthy friends always seem to be there in their time of need. whether it was a much needed yacht trip, pricey private school tuition, a steady job for ginni, and none of it, none of it, was disclosed.

in fact, it was hidden. what were those donors buying? >> and tucker's next act. he won't have to wait for long for his next paycheck from the radical right. but we begin tonight with donald trump's testimony in e. jean carroll's civil case against him over allegations that he raped her in a department store in the 1990s. no, trump did not actually take the witness stand before both sides rested their cases yesterday. but that did not mean the jury missed out on their chance to hear directly from him. that's because carroll's lawyer played a large part of trump's video deposition from last october. and it makes it clear why trump would do himself no favors by appearing before the jury. asked about the content of his infamous "access hollywood" video that he later claimed was just locker room talk, trump appeared to double down on those gross remarks.

>> in this video, i just start kissing them, it's like a magnet. just kiss, i don't even wait. and when you are a star, they let you do it. you can do anything, grab them by the [ bleep ], you can do anything. that's what you said, correct? >> historically, that's true with stars. >> it's true with stars, you can grab them by the [ bleep ]? >> if you look over the last million years, i guess, that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> what does he mean, unfortunately or fortunately? he also reiterated his claims that the accusation was all a hoax, because carroll was, quote, not his type. even though in the same deposition, he misidentified a picture of carroll for his ex-wife, marla maples.

>> that's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> who is this? >> and the woman on the right is your then wife ivana. >> this was the picture, i assume that's john johnson. is that carroll? because it's very blurry. >> yeah, sure, that's right. i'm sure the picture must have been blurry, except it actually wasn't. here's the picture. the picture that trump was holding that shows him from behind facing carroll and her then husband with trump's then wife ivana standing to his right. we have added a picture of marla maples to the screen so you can see they're two different people. it sure does look like carroll fit his type. during the deposition, trump also went on to insult e. jean carroll's lawyer, roberta kaplan, saying she wouldn't be his choice either under any circumstances, so i guess she

should be relieved he wouldn't try to rape her allegedly? yesterday, before leaving ireland where instead of participating in the trial, he was hanging out at his golf resorts, trump claimed he was returning early to confront his case, even saying he would probably attend the trial, and even though trump's lawyers rested their case, the judge is giving trump until 5:00 p.m. on sunday to change his mind and take the witness stand. if not, closing arguments are set to begin on monday. joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, professor at the university of alabama law school, and msnbc legal analyst. and david k. johnston, founding of dcreport.org and author of the big cheat, how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family. you have been covering trump a long time. one would think he at least knows the difference between marla maples, ivana, and a woman he says he didn't know her at all and yet he points to e. jean carroll, let me put the picture up, and say, oh, yeah, that's marla. and it wasn't. what does that say about him,

that and the fact he couldn't remember what year he was married to ivana, what year he was married to marla, and wouldn't even answer about when he was married to his current wife, melania? >> to donald, all women look alike. it's as simple as that. they're not human beings. donald sees all the rest of us as objects. and he's been this way, i have known him for 35 years. he's been that way from the beginning. he's very stategic about people who he thinks can hurt or help him as a general rule, but none of us are human beings to him. we're objects to be used. and i'm not the least bit surprised that he could look at a very clearly focused picture of e. jean carroll and say, that's marla. and of course, by the way, e. jean carroll, not at 79, but at the time this happened in her early 50s, absolutely his type. so this is just how donald

operates. donald's mind is a very simple point to it, joy. if he says it, that makes it so. he creates his own reality. and if you don't buy it, fake news. >> you know, joyce, but if your whole defense strategy is to say that e. jean carroll can't remember minute details about that day, what floor were you on, what time did it happen, and asking her all these minute memory questions and that is your defense, because you're not putting on an active defense, then when you can't remember basic details in the deposition, that gets played for the jury, feels to me like that undermines your defense. >> well, i think that's right, joy. i mean, this is about a credibility battle between two witnesses, one of whom did not come to the courthouse, did not sit in the courtroom during the trial, did not testify. and then gave this really lackluster deposition performance. so if you're e. jean carroll's

attorney, roberta kaplan, you are likely very content to play this deposition and to let the jury see for themselves that this is an individual who has a bad memory when it serves him, and who as david says, will not hesitate to make facts up when he needs to do that to get across the reality that he hopes exists. it will be up to the jury to sort that out and decide what they believe really happened here. >> let me play this because the idea, right, he sort of testified without testifying because the deposition then basically stands in for his testimony, right, so the judge presumably to try to make sure there's nothing left on appeal to say he didn't go out of his way to be fair, let me read a little bit of a transcript of joe tacopina, trump's lawyer, and the judge. this is a side bar. joe tacopina. i'm going to rest, i'm telling you now, i'm going to rest. the judge, i understand. joe, okay. the court, that may well prove

to be the case, but i will wait and see. mr. tacopina, and then the court, i'm not implying dishonesty on your part. ta tacopina, no, i know you're not. i know you're not, but you understand what i am dealing with. and the judge goes on to say, joyce, that he's going out of his way to run the trial fairly and appropriately and to make sure both sides have a fully fair trial. do you read that as the judge saying, you're not going to try to catch me on appeal and say you didn't get every opportunity to testify, because he's literally in europe, a couple of days ago saying i'm going to come back and face my accuser, yet his lawyer says no he's not. >> this is the judge making every effort to hold trump accountable. in a civil case, e. jean carroll could have subpoenaed trump to testify. her lawyers chose not to, i think likely because the deposition testimony is just so startlingly good for them. trump can voluntarily choose to testify if he wants to. he did not. he relinquished that right, but

after he made those comments on the golf course in ireland, it was almost as though you could see him setting up the future argument, well, i wanted to testify but i couldn't. the judge wouldn't let me. i was off on business, and so now here's judge kaplan bending over backwards, giving him this last opportunity to come in and testify, and foreclosing for all time trump's ability to complain about how he was treated in this courtroom. >> yeah, and david, he would be a disaster on the witness stand, let's be clear. this is a man whose defense against a rape charge is they're not my type. he would be a disaster on the stand, right? >> there's another place in the deposition where i think he really damns himself. he says that when e. jean carroll went on anderson cooper on the other network, cnn, that he described what happened between them as sexy. no, what she said is people think rape is sexy. it's not, it's awful and it's

violent. what better indication of how donald turns any word he can to turn truth on its head. and he's done this his whole life. this is a man whose casinos plied sixth, seventh, and eighth graders with money with liquor and limousines and hotel rooms. there is no moral core here in this man. and the case, putting him on the witness stand, that would be a worse nightmare than tacopina made clear to judge kaplan simply being trump's lawyer has to be. >> let me stay with you for a second. it's not just that. now we know, moving on to one of his many other cases, in the mar-a-lago documents case, he's got a former staffer testifying or cooperating. how nervous do you think he might be about that? about hiding documents? >> oh, donald is going to be very worried about that, and worse for donald, he's going to run into something called criminal procedure rule 43,

which goes out of an 1892 supreme court case. he was able to skip the e. jean carroll trial because it's civil. when you're tried criminally in any court in this country, you must be there for every single second of proceedings. and he may find he has to campaign for president sitting at the defense table in one of several trials next year. >> wow. let me come back to you on this, joyce. yet another case, the fani willis case is also still out there and live. so "the washington post" first reported nbc has now matched that reporting, at least eight of these trump electors accepted immunity in the georgia investigation. at least eight of them. i want to read blayne alexander has some additional reporting on it. i want to read this to you, joyce. it appears these immunity deals require some sort of cooperation but importantly do nod require the electors to admit wrongdoing or flip on other electors. can this part, all of the

electors remain united in their collective innocence and none testified or believed they or any other elector committed wrongdoing much less criminal acts. joyce, answer for me, why would you give somebody immunity if they are admitting to no crime. don't they have to admit to somebody committing a crime, and if it ain't other electors that leaves one other person, well, a few other people, one is named donald trump. >> so this would not be a typical posture for immunity. typically, witnesses will get immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying truthfully about other important matters. you know, sometimes it's the case that a witness thinks, well, i didn't do anything wrong. but i'm afraid that if i testify truthfully, you might use it against me. so i want immunity before i'll tell you my story. here, though, we know that willis did send letters to these individuals indicating that she was considering prosecuting them. and so that suggests that there

might be some difference of opinion between these individuals and prosecutors about what their status is. but the reality is, they are not going to be talking about other electors then as you point out, there's a limited universe of folks that they could be cooperating against. the interesting question is whether any of these individuals had interactions with people who were coming down to georgia, like trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, who paid a visit to check on vote counting or whether any of them had conversations with rudy giuliani, with other people, perhaps, in the campaign. it's very interesting to think about who might have encouraged them to form this fake slate of electors, what they were told, and what they did as a result of that. it's a big wide universe for fani willis here. >> yeah, because i don't know everything about the law, but it doesn't seem like you get immunity for nothing. you have to be talking about something. joyce vance and david k. johnston, thank you both very much. grooup next on "the reidout," the clarence thomas scandal

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last night, just as i was finishing a segment on this show about how billionaire harlan crow paid roughly $100,000 in boarding school tuition for the grand nephew of clarence thomas, "the washington post" dropped yet another story about the high living supreme court justice. this time, it has to do with another one of his friends, leonard leo, who happens to be the head of the federalist society. leo is the architect of the current conservative supreme court and the current federal bench. according to "the washington post," leo arranged for ginni thomas to get paid tens of thousands of dollars for consulting work over a ten-year period. the post reviewed documents that showed that leo instructed republican pollster kellyanne

conway, you remember her as trump's 2016 campaign manager, and alternative facts lady, to bill a nonprofit group he advises and use that money to pay ginni thomas. the same year that nonprofit, the judicial education project, filed a brief to the supreme court in a landmark voting rights case. what they uncovered next was even more disturbing. according to documents, leo told conway he wanted her to give ginni thomas another $25,000 and he emphasized that the paperwork should have no mention of ginni, of course. of course. leo told "the washington post" it is of no secret that ginni thomas has a long history of working on issues within the conservative movement and part of that work has involved gauging public sentiment. the work she did here did not involve anything with the court's business or other legal issues and knowing how disrespectful, malicious, gossipy people can be, i have always tried to protect the privacy of justice thomas and

ginni. i should note nbc news has not seen the documents cited by "the washington post," but yesterday, texas senator john cornyn, a former judge, dug up this old defense when he was asked about the story. >> i know harlan crow and i know clarence thomas and they're both honorable men. this is part of a 32-year smear campaign that started with his confirmation hearing. i played the video for people who don't remember it, where he referred to as a high-tech lynching. >> yeah, okay. crow told the dallas morning news that propublica, that first published the piece on crow and thomas, had an agenda to destabilize the supreme court. basically, for harlan crow, it's the media exposing clarence and ginni's shady behavior that's destabilized the court, not wiping out the rights of half the population, or eroding the separation of church and state,

or the whining by the conservative justices. got it. joining me is mulissa murray, and ian, the author of the agenda, how the republican supreme court is reshaping america. ian, i want to show you a picture. i feel like it is emblematic of what we're dealing with. a painting, a lovely painting that features clarence with his friends. to the left of clarence is harlan crow. the man in the middle under the sculpture is mark paletto, a close family friend of the thomases, who worked on the trump administration, including preparing two of the court hearings. the man in the glasses is leonard leo, who funneled all that money to ginni, and the man in the red shorts is a former law clerk to thomas. he took up a case in 2008 before the supreme court, and guess what, he won that case, and clarence thomas did not recuse. your thoughts on this court, which does seem to be made up of

a bunch of rich guys and their friends, a bunch of friends of rich guys, i should say. >> so here's what shocks me about all this. you know, when i take white house staffers out to coffee, they won't let me pay for their latte. you know, i used to work at a think tank. we had hill staffers come over sometimes for lunch meetings and they would always ask, how much did this lunch cost? the reason why is because it's more than $25, they're not allowed to eat it. like, everyone in government has such strict ethics rules. except for the supreme court. and the supreme court, it's apparently fine to have all of your vacations be paid for by some billionaire republican donor. it's apparently fine to have your mother's home paid for, to have your kid's tuition paid for by a billionaire. and again, this is not how it works anywhere else in government. i don't understand why the most unaccountable people in government wind up having the least ethics rules.

>> yeah, melissa, look, when i was managing, i went to a lot of these open chats with valerie jarrett when she was a senior white house official. you couldn't buy her a cup of coffee. literally, everyone paid for their own lunch. it was like a brown bag situation. as ian said, this is so strict, and then these guys, it really looks to the outside looking in like what the supreme court basically is, at least as far as the conservatives are concerned, is a place where billionaires go to launder their ideas. because these folks, especially clarence, seem to be willing to do whatever it is far right billionaires want when it comes to their rulings, but you know, take me and my sons on vacation, the kid who supposedly is in need, the grand nephew, he's talked about going out to the private resort in the adirondacks, talked about cruises on the superyacht, this kid martin. he's been to the caribbean. he's been all over the world. and he's supposedly an indigent young man who needed his tuition

paid. it looks like oligarchy, not law. >> to be clear, i think we have to be really precise here. if this is just a smear campaign, so i'll say at the outset, there are no provable allegations of corruption, but what there is here is a real appearance of impropriety, and the appearance alone i think is enough to be concerning. when you layer on top of that appearance of impropriety, there's an internal inconsistency in the logic of this, it's even more pronounced. justice thomas is likely to write the majority opinion dismantling affirmative action at the end of the supreme court -- affirmative action as government largesse handed out by white people to members of colored communities, and yet here we have unbelievable displays of largesse given by one patron to this man who in other circumstances would be unwilling to have this kind of

favor extended to members of minority communities. so there's an internal inconsistency here that is absolutely mind boggling. again, you should be angry because just the appearance of this is a problem. >> well, here's the challenge. let's stay with you for a moment. back in 1993, "the new york times" reported clarence thomas told clerks he wants to stay on the court until 2034. why? the liberals made my life miserable for 43 years and i'm going to make their lives miserable for 43 years. when you have him talking like that, when you have scalia whining about anybody daring to criticize the court, and then you see that it just so happens that every single ruling by this right wing majority just happens to align perfectly with the ideology of people like leonard leo and harlan crow, it's too coincidental for me as a nonlawyer looking at it for it to be realistic. it feels like they're just doing the bidding of the people who paid them. there's no proof of that, but that sure is what it looks like.

how can the court have credibility if that's the way it looks? >> i mean, that's the whole point, though, joy. the court absolutely -- faith and trust in it as an institution in order for its opinions to have force. the court isn't like congress. it doesn't have the power of the purse. it's not like the president, it lacks the power of the sword. the only thing the court has to keep us obeying whatever it puts out is the fact that we believe that what the court is doing is legitimate and fair. and when these justices impair their own legitimacy, this is not the media doing this, this is the justices themselves delegitimizing the court. it upends the court's institutional stability, it is severely compromised. i imagine there are members of the court who are very concerned. among them, chief justice john roberts if for no other reason he's concerned about appearance. >> he's not clear, either. his wife gets all sorts of

goodies in terms of her client list for her firm. it feels like all the conservatives are laughing in our faces as they take away our rights. >> yeah, one thing that's come out recently is ethics scandal after ethics scandal. roberts' wife doing the legal recruiting, there's neil gorsuch's land deal. there was a story lately about sotomayor and gorsuch not recusing from two cases they should have recused from. and part of the story here is this is why you have an ethics code. i mean, one reason you have it is to stop the terrible stuff that clarence thomas is doing. no ethics code would allow that. but the other reason you do it is to make sure that if you have a land deal, there are rules you can follow the rules, you can maybe have an independent investigator look at the deal if need be, and then once you have done all that, if reporters come looking at your land deal, you can say look, here are the rules, here's what the ethics monitor said, it's fine.

the fact they don't have a code is hurting the court more than anything. and i suspect the reason why they refuse to do it is because clarence thomas has behaved so unethically throughout this that they can't write any kind of reasonable ethics code that wouldn't wind up sanctioning clarence thomas. >> yeah, there you go. and said what we appear to have are five little princes and one little princess who lord over us and make rules that they don't even follow. they don't even follow basic ethics and they get to write the rules for the rest of us. doesn't look good, doesn't smell good. thank you both very much. >> still ahead, tucker carlson may be out at fox, but his influence continues to infect some of the darkest corners of the political world. more on that next. and while romeo over here is trying to look cool, things are about to heat up. darn it, kyle! and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage, you could end up paying for this yourself.

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tucker carlson delivered a prerecorded message this week for cpac hungary, it's a little awkward given recent developments. >> i wish i was there in budapest. if i ever get fired and have team and can leave, i'll be there with you. in the meantime, godspeed. we're thinking of you and cheering you on. >> if i ever get fired. aside from the fact tucker did have time to make it since, you know, he got fired last week for being as privately racist as he was on tv, but of course, he's

cheering on hungary and its right-wing fascist government under viktor orban, where as fox noted last year, orban has turned replacement theory into state ideology. naturally, tucker is obsessed with hungary. he said we can all learn lessons from hungary and carried orban's water with a documentary, hungary versus george soros, not to mention his personal ties to hungary. his father was on the board of a firm that lobbied for orban in the united states. in his own speech at cpac, orban called hunkary an incubator for policies that is already in florida, where ron desantis has followed orban to the letter. targeting lgbtq rights, done that, going to war against colleges and universities. desantis has checked all the boxes. so it must be really painful for

ron that in orban's speech, he also begged for the return of donald trump, saying come back, mr. president. joining me now is kurt bardella, democratic strategist and contributor to the los angeles times. as the old comedian used to say, he couldn't even get a dinner. poor desantis, out there schilling for orban's policies and orban is like, who is that? what do you make of this, the fact that his last missive, it turns out, what a produced in fox news studios missive to hungary, one tucker? >> you notice the backdrop that he had was his old show's theme there, and so i mean, it's a little eerie, like he predicted it smout, put it out into the world. unless i get fired, and sure enough, it came to be. that's a little eerie to me, actually, that it went down that way. i mean, but let's also set aside the fact that he was producing words for cpac hungary. give me a break.

>> well, so let's go on to what he's going to do next. tucker is not going to disappear. we're not that lucky as a culture. he's already floating ideas that he'll do his own debate, which let's be clear, none of these people have the courage to say no. they would all go. this is his new idea. he'll do his own -- he wants to be bigger than a podcaster. he would forefit millions owed to him. i know he's rich from all the frozen dinners, but he ain't going to afford millions. your thoughts on that. >> this is where fox really holds a lot of the cards in terms of letting him out of his existing contract, because if they don't, he can't go on tv until after the presidential election. and the one thing we do know about former fox hosts who go somewhere else and have to -- there's a gap between their tv life, it doesn't really end well. they don't ever retain the status and visibility and

influence they had at fox, whether it was glenn beck, megyn kelly, bill o'reilly, so the worst thing that could happen to tucker carlson brand if you will, is to disappear from television. that's why he's willing to sacrifice up front financial gain to try to get back on tv as soon as possible. the longer he's off tv, the less relevance he will have, the less ability to hold an audience. once people realize they can live without you, they will live without you. >> yeah, you know what's interesting you say that, i mean, fox news, the particular danger of the disinformation that they put out there, tucker, i think, was the leading disinformer. he's the one who pushed, you know, the texas governor to pardon a guy who hadn't even been sentenced yet. he's the one who floated the idea of getting rid of crt. a lot of those were his ideas. they just talk about what he says. the idea that right now toronto, canada, sorry, canada is considering toronto star

reporting that canada is considering banning fox news, specifically for their anti-lgbtq what they call hatred and violence. what they cite is an open letter by an lgbtq group, and after it was featured and attacked by tucker. what do you think of the idea that canada may nix fox news because of him? >> i think that would be acting healthfully and responsibly and making sure there's some sort of filter on insuring that misinformation and efforts to incite violence and attacks against people that are different, that shouldn't happen. it is absurd we have seen these bad actors take advantage of press freedom. we see every day examples around the world of what it looks like when there is no press freedom, when there is oppression by governments. how can people here treat it this way, this privilege that we have that is such a hallmark of our country, a foundation of our republic. how can you treat something like

that that we should cherish and protect and safeguard that other people around the world would do anything to have this type of freedom, and to have people like tucker and people at fox who are still currently there this second, people who work in the maga universe, to treat our institutions like this. what canada is doing is an act of self-defense to insure they don't become infected the way people in our country have. >> if they do it, it will be interesting to see what the eu does, what new zealand does, what other countries that care about stopping disinformation do, and fox has admitted they're not news, they're entertainment. >> they're a walking weapon of ms. destruction basically, so yeah, what would you do to stop a weapon of mass destruction coming into your backyard? that's what canada is doing. >> kurt bardella, thank you very much. who won the week is still ahead. >> first, how an allegedly pro-choice democrat in north carolina betrayed her constituents with an

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supermajorities in both chambers. she was elected as a democrat to represent a democratic stronghold in her state. she campaigned to protect women's choice. check out what she tweeted in 2022, month before voters elected her. quote, we need leaders who will be unwavering and unapologetic in their support of abortion rights. i'll fight to codify roe and continue my strong record of defending the rights you choose, unquote. in 2015 on the house floor, she even shared her own abortion story during a speech against restrictions in her state. >> this decision was up to me, my husband, my doctor, and my god. it was not up to any of you in this chamber. abortion is a deeply personal decision. it should not be a political

debate. my womb and my uterus is not up for your political grab. legislators, you do not hold shares in my body. so stop trying to manipulate my mind. >> joining me now is democratic pollster fernand amandi, and tim miller. both are msnbc political analysts. fernand, we know you're from florida, but you have north carolina background as well. can you in all of the many, many years you have been doing political polling and working with candidates, have you ever seen anything like this, and can you come up with an explanation for how someone could go from co-authoring a bill to protect roe to joining a supermajority and then voting to end abortion rights? i cannot make it make sense. >> joy, i thought about it a lot. i cannot think of an example of such stark shameless hypocrisy, and really venal ambition on displace. it's almost as if you need

propublica to do another one of these investigative stories to try to find all the money because there's something really bizarre going on with that state representative, especially in light of those clips you played. i think the bigger story here, aside from the fact that republicans are doing yet another end run around democracy, they can't do this thing at the ballot box, so they have to figure out a way to rig the system and try and get their policies passed through other means. you have to question the logic and the wisdom of poking the mama bear on this abortion issue. i have been looking at the polling on this now for over 15 years. and in the last 15 months, it has not gotten any better for the republicans. since the 2022 midterms where this issue is what prevented them from probably taking over both houses of congress. this idea that they're going to move forward with the forced birth movement, continue to try to deny women's rights while proclaiming themselves hypocritically as the party of

freedom is going to be met with electoral apocalypse at 2024 at this rate. they cannot sustain this because the polls are not moving in their favor on this issue, joy. >> you know, tim, first of all, her part it's george santos behavior. you wonder, can constituents sue someone who literally switched every they voted on. it doesn't make sense. they're counting this as a huge victory. they have now essentially added north carolina to the southern block of unfree states for women, when it was a haven of sorts for the other states. you have florida with a six-week ban. no one in the republican party is being helped electorally for doing this, but in every state, even swingy states like north carolina, why are they tripling down on it? >> because the people that have the power in the state legislatures are the most extreme members. imagine what you're seeing in the republican congress with these names you're familiar with, the boeberts and marjorie

taylor greenes, there's a mirror image of this happening all across the state legislatures, the republican caucus is getting crazier and crazier as people self-select. so i think a lot of these folks aren't making rational short term political decisions. they're short term power grabs right now while they have power within the party, so i think this is what you're seeing in north carolina. you saw it in tennessee, obviously. you're seeing it in florida with the legislature that they're pushing through with desantis. the desantis thing is a prime example of what you're talking about. his extreme six-week abortion ban, i don't think is even helping him in the presidential primary. it makes him seem is that he would be the more electable option. he won in florida, trump didn't. but he is doing it anyway, because of the extremism of the party, because of the incentives, where the most

far-right members of the base are pushing the legislative agenda. >> i would question it, whether he was electable in the first place. pushing book bans, attacking kids, screaming at them to take their masks off, pushing all of this, attacking disney. let me read what was said about him when he went overseas. so he goes overseas, and essentially what people say, is he was underwhelming. he is in great britain, people say they met an, eastern of the floor throughout both of the speech that he was giving, or most of the time that he's in london. he did not impress. he looked bored, started his feet, the message was, he wasn't presidential. the same to the guy. nobody looked at him and said this is a guy going places. he was horrendous, low wattage, nobody was thinking he's going places. i don't understand why anyone thought he was electable. did you see the magic? because i never saw it. >> the magic for him was that he was the czech trump chosen

one and he had that maga low effect. but he's in the cockpit. now trump is going to hit the eject button. he has already done. at his poll numbers, i haven't seen that type of melt down in the republican primary polling since we go back to the time of scott walker, almost eight years ago. rhonda santos is fatally inflicted his candidacy that it's not gonna come back. what's amazing is even in florida they are noticing. florida republican donors are tapping the brakes right now saying, not comfortable with what this guy is doing. the disney thing already a bridge too far. and the fact that disney stood up and filed a countersuit, i'm telling you, i feel it for the first time in almost seven years in florida, the tide has turned. ron desantis is on the wrong and. he is scrambling, which is why he's trying to rush an announcement that he didn't really want to do until the end of this month early next month,

as the campaign has slipped away from him. >> let me show you this video. this is what people see when they think about ron desantis. all the headlines are like this. sending 40 cops to arrest the dream defenders. that's what he is seeing. what more do you, tim. this is not just in florida. you have lauren boebert, at a time when mass shooters are happening twice a day, going out and wearing a shoot that says an ar-15 is a whole puncher, when there are people mourning their children dying. you've the louisiana legislature refusing to fund school lunches. at the same time raising their own salaries. it's almost like they are, sorry, rejecting the minimum wage, that's a newest one, rejecting the minimum wage and raising their own pay. it's like republicans are daring people to vote them out because they know they have gerrymandered themselves in. is that what it is? they know they can be voted out because they've gerrymandered incels in? >> in a lot of these places, and there's no political repercussions, part of it is

gerrymandering and part of it is just part of the, times it's not like you have bulldog democrats in these red states anymore, where there's enough power to push back against the republican majority. so i think both those things are happening but again you have to just look at where the incentives are coming from, oh to get a lot to flux, forget the media, to get the small dollar donors, you have to push the anvil lobe and there is just this perverse incentive structure with the republican party that is driving them over the cliff and is hurting them in certain places. it is the reason why democrats are winning georgia and arizona, but places like louisiana, tennessee, the politicians feel protected from this. i don't know if ron desantis, to his point, he did do some extreme stuff but he also tried to appeal to the moderate republicans. he has totally given up on that over the last six months where she tried to run his presidential campaign. i think it might hurt him both at home and nationally. >> i think he's a hard mess.

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another week, which means it's time to play our favorite game of, i guess, who won the week? fernando monte and tim miller, who won the week? >> joy, a lot of contenders, but for me, propublica with what they have done acts closing the open naked corruption by clarence thomas on supreme court. doing a service to the country and showing old school journalism how it should be done. propublica one week. >> amen, amen, amen. tim miller, who won the week? >> jean carroll for finding

make finally making trump answer for serial sexual sought under oath. and her amazing lawyer judge lewis a. kaplan that he had a lap a lash out of her and said you're not my type either, and i promise you the feeling is mutual. do not hurt robbie kaplan. >> listening to the deposition was mind-blowing. trump is a bit pathetic. mine of the wic week is one from the, nurse justin ricketts, he is a high school rising senior it's on coast community high school in florida, and he got a perfect score of 1600 on his sats. only a person of the class of 2021 scored above a 1400, making his 1600 perfect score an incredibly rare feat. go south florida. finance gun appreciate that. he's from our part of florida, from south florida. so go justin ricketts. he's going to be somebody huge