beautiful presentation. antry and reallywell, i got to y hat off. i have a fascinator, but my hat off to you for five hours of coverage. i know it's not easy. i've sat in that chair for a while, but five hours is amazing. i want to ask you quickly, alex, before i start the next show, you've been getting some amazing information from all of those incredible guests, but what about you? what are your parting thoughts after you bought that for five hours? >> it's a really good question. i think i was always focused on the historic nature of all of this and i'm going to try to reflect, i think this afternoon, i hope, probably in my pjs, given the early hour today. and think about where we came from seven years ago and all about that particular coronation and the differences today, and ponder what might, prince william, one day do. when he becomes the king. it's an extraordinary evolution, and it's fascinating for me to watch. so thank you for asking, my friend. i hope you have a great show and take it away, katie phang.

>> thank you, alex with, as always. my good friend. and a good saturday morning to you, if you've been following along, there's been exclusive coverage by msnbc of the coronation of king charles iii. i am katie phang. it's been a very busy news morning, as we mentioned, the world continues to watch london. hours ago, king charles the third, and now queen camilla, were officially crowned in a two-hour ceremony in westminster abby. you saw it all life during our coverage on msnbc this morning. we're going to go in-depth on a royals expert this morning but first, another major story we are on top of this morning. an msnbc exclusive, president biden on the record. the 11th hour host, stephanie ruhle goes, on an on with president biden in an exclusive interview that covered a lot of ground, from the debt ceiling show down to the presidents reelection bid for 2024. here's some of that interview. >> as president, what are you going to do to help us avoid default? >> look, not a single solitary

congress has ever been -- on debt. that that is not a day i can -- but that is not a debt that occurred over the last several years. it's 200 years of debt. 200 years. and the idea that we wouldn't pay our debts it's just bizarre. it's estimated that we didn't pay the debt, we would lose 750,000 jobs. we would have a recession. it would be a disaster! the idea of someone, for the first time saying, unless you passed this ridiculous budget i have, which is how i would characterize what the republican maga budget is, unless you pass this budget, we're not going to increase the debt limit, and we're going to go bankrupt. or, they of america is going to default for the first time in history on this debt. no one has ever tied them together before. i have said to republican leaders, here's the deal. take that limit, pass it like

trump was president, and hehen increased the whole national debt for 200 years by 40%. >> republicans would argue, though, that donald trump, at the very least, they would, say played ball. you are not willing to play ball. >> playing ball? playing ball? [laughter] he ballooned the debt. he created unemployment. when i came to office, we had an incredibly high unemployment. we are in a situation where we were, had very little movement on anything going on. and look what they plan on doing right now! just today, 250,000 new jobs. highest participation in 75 years of women in the job market. lowest unemployment rate for african american. things aren't moving. >> as i said, you have a very strong economic recovery story. but this is a very volatile congress. there are members of congress that might be okay with us defaulting.

>> i know that. >> they think it could hurt you more politically. given that, are you prepared to vote the 14th amendment and blow through the debt ceiling? >> i'm not gotten there yet. here's the deal. i think first of all, this is not your father's republican party. >> you say,, though this is not your father's republican party. it's kevin mccarthy and honest broker for you to negotiate with? >> i think he is an honest man. i think he's in a position, or he had to make a deal and that was pretty, you know, 15 votes. 15 votes! where he just about sold away everything that the far, far right. there's a republican party and the maga republicans. the maga republicans really have put them in a position where in order to stay speaker, he has to agree to things that maybe he believes, but are just extreme. >> you've officially announced your are running for reelection.

it your first video, you featured vice president harris ten times. when obama was in that position, you didn't mention you, sir. what are you trying to mention? >> i think vice president harris hasn't gotten the credit she deserves. she was attorney general of the state of california, she has been a united states senator, she is really, very, very good. and with everything going on, she hasn't gotten the attention she deserves. >> critics would say you are elevating her because they think you wouldn't serve a full term. and it is fair to say there is not a fortune 500 company in the world looking to hire a ceo in his 80s. so, why would an 82 year old joe biden be the right person, for the most important job in the world? >> because i have acquired a hell of a lot of wisdom.

i am vastly more experience than anyone else running for office. i consider myself honorable, and also effective. >> and joining me now is jonathan kaye part, host of the saturday show and msnbc. jonathan, good morning, my friend. >> good morning. >> what do you make of president biden's remarks on that stalled that stealing the gauthier shuns? he said he is not the point where he's going to invoke the 14th amendment, which compels the federal government to continue issuing new deaths, should the government run out of cast. jonathan, that june 1st deadline is looming. what do you think we can expect? >> well, that was the big news in stephanie's interview. there's a big debate in washington about whether invocation of the that provision and the 14th amendment, whether that is even really possible. if it's legal, and even if the president or to invoke it, it could get caught up in legal challenge. but the fact that the president said, quote, i have not gotten there yet, means he has not taken it off the table. he has not taken the

possibility that he could go that route off the table. and so, when the president and speaker mccarthy and leader jeffries and senate majority leader chuck schumer and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell meet at the white house on tuesday, that option, plus a whole litany of other options, could be discussed. could be part of the conversation. and i think it just amps up the importance of that meeting at the white house on tuesday. >> and jonathan, let's talk about that meeting. instead of being next week, it's in a few days. but there's a lot of talk and no action. americans need some type of action, especially if we don't want to see the results of actually careening into a default situation here. kevin mccarthy, when asked by stephanie ruhle, this is what president biden said. you know, he is an honest man, but when i both know honesty doesn't necessarily feet to the fact that he is beholden to house republicans. so, what do you think is going

to be the nature of that conversation between biden and mccarthy next week? >> to echo mike, our colleague here at msnbc, like mentally, he pointed out last night that notice that the president talked about kevin mccarthy as a person. he thinks he's an honest man. no comment on the speakers negotiating ability. the president from what i understand, doesn't really have the same relationship with the speaker that he has with the senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, who, when he was vice president, president obama sent him to negotiate with a 2011, which was the last time the united states came so close to going over the that fault cliff. and i think in that meeting, the president in the speaker, particularly the president, will take measure of the speaker to see just how much, who is this person i'm

negotiating with? and how much can we get done together? how much can. he do, given the narrowness of his minority and the fact that he has had heading over his head, the fact he is a member of his majority seeking his ouster simply for doing something that they don't like. >> you know, president biden making a very clear that kamala harris deserves more credit for her work. what role are you envisioning vice president kamala harris to play during this 2024 campaign? >> oh, she will have a vital role, particularly because of what's happening with abortion rights around the country, the extreme measures that states, particularly republican led states, are engaging in on reproductive rights. but also, on the larger issue, the larger issue of freedom and liberty, which reproductive rights plays into. let's not forget that surprise trip the vice president made to nashville to meet with the

tennessee three, and her very fiery speech on their behalf. no notes, no teleprompter. so, she will be the presidents surrogate out there, talking about freedom and liberty, which dovetails nicely with the presidents first campaign mantra, which he was fighting for the soul of america, and dovetails nicely with the presidents reelection mantra, which is, let's finish the job. also, fighting for the soul of america and by showing her so prominently in that reelection video, and by talking about her so nicely, as he did, he is sending a signal to the administration, to the party, and to the nation that she is integral to the reelection efforts. >> jonathan, before i have to let you go, i hear you have a big interview with superstar john legend. that's coming up on the saturday show. tell us quickly about it? >> yes. so, john legend was speaking at the milken global conference in los angeles last week, and i moderated.

a fireside chat with him and to other activists, and we're talking about this documentary that features him and one other person, gina mead, who we interviewed, called home free, about the formerly incarcerated. the problems and the barriers they face once they have paid their debt to society, and they are released from, released back into society. one of them said, you know, the sentence starts really after they've been released from incarceration. you've got to watch the interview to see more clearly and hear more clearly what the conversation is about. >> i think we actually do have a short -- >> we get so caught up in public safety narratives and you know, crime going up during the pandemic, that people think well, their instinct is always, we should be tougher. and when they say i, that just mean getting people on the punishment side, but they want to continue that punishment beyond their incarceration,

into the time where they're supposed to be coming home and trying to reintegrate themselves back into society. we need to resist that urge to be more punitive. we need to encourage people to be more open minded, more graceful, more forgiving, and it's better for all of us. >> might that on that, katie. as you saw, john legend explain, much more clearly, what our conversation was about. so, i look forward to showing it to you and everyone on the saturday show. >> oh, my friend, do not worry. it is a saturday morning. jonathan capehart, it's so good to see you. everybody, stay tuned. you are going to be able to watch that interview with john legend, that was done by jonathan capehart. that's an exclusive chat coming up next hour at 11 am eastern. set your dvr's at the next commercial break, or keep it right here on msnbc. because there is still to come on the katie phang show, god save the king! we'll get a royal recap of this morning's historic coronation of king charles iii.

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talk to your doctor and visit cutshortrsv.com. for the first time in 70 years, a new british monarch has been crowned. under a light london rain this morning, the coronation of king charles iii took place at whence mr. abe >>. in the tradition dating back nearly 1000 years, charles and his wife, queen camilla, officially took the throne. it was only the second televised coordination in british history. joining me now is clive irving, former managing editor of the sunday times in london and the author of the last queen. clive, good morning, thank you so much for joining us. doctor joe biden was the -- u.s. first lady to attend the british monarch. what is her attended me to british people? >> i think it's very important to continue, obviously, between

the united states and don't pay. with the irony, of course, that the president's wife was watching the ceremony of an ich america rejected in 1776. she can do it with a certain coolness and mocked up to party, which is perhaps lacking today here in london. people being swept away, as you can see, in the streets, and although the parade is being rained upon, not by route me, which is unusual, but it's being rained upon, and even that does not deter them. just before i came on the air, where i am is on the direct route as a flight path as a planes that flew over, which had to be -- because of the weather. that was a roaring finale. of course, we came to the moment at the end, when we saw who is going to appear on the balcony, because that balcony appearance at the end of the celebration is a key to who's in and who's out in the world

family. last time we saw the queen, that was her last public appearance on that balcony last year. not long before she died. she was a small figure in a strikingly green dress, and she was -- this mighty war came up from the mao. i think the people sense that they were about to lose her, or lose her soon. as she turns, a very frail figure, and walked off that balcony, i think there was a sense that she was exiting more than just a balcony, she was exiting her whole segment, whole era if you like, a british life. and so, her absence, to me, was very palpable today. obviously, i wrote a biography of her and i know all about what her relationship was with the country. this morning, the service, the king said they were going to celebrate the life of the

nation in the service. i don't think that at all happened. i didn't get any sense that what you saw inside the cathedral, as sacred as it was, was anything like a picture of the country the king finds himself reeling over. he's going to have to step out of this historical tableau, it's almost reaching the level . he has to step outside that into reality. one thing that struck me about his performance this morning, it showed people how strange the constitution of this country is. that there is no written constitutions. when you're walking at watching that ceremony, you're watching the enactment of a loose arrangement between the country, the monarch and the states. it was, of course, i felt -- it was long, it should have been cut. it was a sacred and religious, this in a country which, half

of the people at least, more than half of the younger people, don't say they have any religion. only 15% of the country follows a anglican church, and this is a partisan anglican sermon as we saw. i think there's an uncomfortable-ness about that. this is a secular democracy, a very vigorous secular democracy. it's composed, it's very successfully integrated mushy -- multi racial society. in that cathedral today, we thought a few people of color, very few people of color, and mostly, that whole -- rank after rank, file after file, the white people. beautiful, young, white, choir singers girls and boys. a generation to come, all the way up to very old white persons. i had a sense, it was unfortunate that we're looking at a ruling class, a ruling

group of people that haven't let yet in the the real outside world and what the country really feels like. i've just come back to london after a long absence, and i'm really struck by the vitality of this wonderful, the most multi city in europe. if the monarchy is to survive, it's got to quickly overcome this feeling that i had this morning, of this being too exclusive and not inclusive that fall. >> clive, i want to thank you so much for sharing your insight, you not only wrote that biography, but you've also been able to follow the royal family for many years. i know that you noted something that we all did, so i appreciate you bringing that to everyone's attention, and i appreciate you being here this morning, thank you so much. >> thank you, katie. >> and everybody needs to stay tuned because coming up next, we are going to have a conversation about abortion and the importance of making sure that there's access to reproductive rights.

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abortion, but despite their own medical recommendations, they refused to perform the procedure. why? because under missouri law, nearly all abortions are banned, and even though the ban does include an exception as a mother's life is at risk, some doctors fearing prosecution are turning away patients in need of lifesaving treatments. farmer and her partner then traveled more than 150 miles away to a kansas city hospital for help, but were given the same response. although her health was at risk, they claimed she cannot legally terminate the pregnancy. now, in a first of its kind investigation, the biden administration found that the two hospitals in missouri and kansas violated federal law by denying farmer and abortion. melissa farmer joins me now to share her story. we are also joined by her attorney, michele banker, the director of reproductive rights and health litigation at the national women's law center. i want to thank both of you for

being here this morning. melissa, i want to start with you. thank you, especially, for coming on this show to discuss this with us. you eventually were able to find a clinic, hundreds of miles away in illinois, to get the lifesaving medical care you needed, but what was running through your mind during this entire ordeal? did you feel let down by a medical system whose sole purpose is to save lives and keep us healthy? >> absolutely, the system that i trusted failed me. i was terrified for my life, and it was a horrific experience on top of the trauma of losing my daughter. it was, it was a nightmare. it was a nightmare. to have doctors refuse your care and tell you that your life is in danger and at the same time was just unimaginable. >> and, michelle, you helped melissa file a complaint to the health and human services department that the hospitals

in missouri and kansas violated the emergency medical treatment and labor act. what were those hospitals supposed to do for melissa in order to be in compliance with federal law? >> so, and tele-is a law that's been around for 40 years. it was passed in 1986 and under and tele-, when a patient represents to a hospital experiencing emergency medical conditions, the hospital must provide stabilizing medical treatments. that includes emergency abortion care -- it has not protected pregnant patients as well as all patients. in all times, an emergency abortion is a necessary stabilizing treatment when someone is experiencing an emergency pregnancy complication. >> melissa, from the stress of everything that you went through, even dealing with a lot of health complications, can you share with us how your

physical and mental health are right now? >> i have been slowly improving, so that's the good news. it has been a long road of trauma of emotional trauma and physical as well. it has taken its toll, but at the same time there is recovery and hope. >> you know, mylissa i want to stay with you for a second, because i want to viewers that are tuning in right now to understand, this is a pregnancy that you wanted, a pregnancy and a baby hoe to be able to bring into and create a family. the fact that you kept on literally getting turned away repeatedly by medical providers, when you asked them why, what were the excuses that were given to you? >> the first hospital that i went to in freeman, in joplin, was that the law was not clear enough because i had a positive fetal heartbeat, that they could not intervene. the second time, when we went

to kansas city, it was legal in kansas, they had actually voted on it that day. it was a hot issue, but the reason that the doctor denied us was because it was too politically heated in that environment right now and they did not want to do anything that resembles an abortion. >> michelle, two mylissa point, lawmakers in missouri pointed out that the problem with the abortion law in that state is that it's too vague. the language is too vague in that statute, and it's going to confuse doctors and hospital administrators. we've seen this happening in other states as well, where women are facing life-threatening emergencies during their pregnancies but are being turned away. you know you noted, a couple of minutes ago, the biden administration last year issued guidance to hospitals that abortion should be considered to be stabilizing care. what do you think needs to change to fix this problem and -- in a post-roe overturned world? >> i think that melissa's story just really underscores the

legal chaos and public health crisis that's been a reality ever since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade last summer. i think we all take for granted that if we find ourselves in a medical emergency, whether that's a heart attack or a broken bone, that if we go to an emergency department, we'll get the care that we need. for pregnant patients in this country, that's been turned on its head. if the emergency you happen to be experiencing is a pregnancy complication, whether or not you are able to get the care that you need, may depend entirely on your zip code. maythis is already at a time of extraordinarily emotional sensitivity, where people are facing the situations. it is unconscionable to be denied care and a violation of medical ethics. what the biden administration did, by taking enforcement

action on the complaints we failed on mylissa's behalf, was to make crystal clear, lester b any confusion, federal law required this care and there are consequences for violating that law. >> mylissa, you and your partner were ostracized from your community for speaking out about what happened to you. you not only had to leave your home, your community, but you even had to leave the state of missouri, all because you are advocating for yourself and your health. why do you choose to continue to speak out? what's your message to other women who might be going through something similar? >> our experience was horrific. there are no words to describe how horrible it was. i could not imagine asking another woman to go through what we went through and how dangerous it was. the list of health complications and the danger that i was in from my doctors

was serious. i have no idea how they have not changed or amended or done anything to these laws to help save women's lives. >> well, my hope is, by sharing your story, melissa, by having michel here as well to explain what's going on and to share the stories of other women that are facing similar challenges, that hopefully those laws will get change that nobody else has to go through what you went through and that no other women have to experience that as well. mylissa former, and michelle banker, thank you for joining me this morning, i appreciate you both so much. >> thank you for having me. >> coming up, special counsel jack smith has been very busy. the latest on his various investigations into donald trump and the charges that legal experts say the former president is, quote, almost certain to face. this summer, from fulton county the a -- much more of the katie phang show to come, so keep it right here on msnbc. ht here on msnbc.

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risks up and down the east coast in a special counsel investigation. two people are telling the new york times nearly everyone who works at mar-a-lago has been subpoenaed. along with matthew calamari, senior at the longtime head of security at the trump's company, his son, the corporate director of security, was subpoenaed sometime ago.

and fulton county georgia where district attorney -- is investigating attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, the times reports, more than half of the bogus georgia elections from that states have taken immunity deal. join me now to break it all down is john sale, former prosecutor with the southern district of new york. also a former watergate assistant prosecutor. is that right, john. ? >> that's right. i was ten years old. you are the duty hauser of the law. i want to start before we get into any questioning on -- you are talking about before we started the segment. you are actually approach to represent donald trump, is that right? >> i was approached to represent donald trump and the reason i declined, as a trial lawyer, this could be the biggest case in the world. which >> one, though? he's got a lot. >> who knew, but the department of justice hat, at that time, 15 lawyers working on this full-time, that would've required somebody on the other side in fairness to the client,

to do the same thing. that wasn't even an option for me. i didn't even have to get to some of the other questions that might have troubled me. i declined and i did not have any attorney client relationship with him so i can talk freely without any ethical constraints. >> let's talk about the ethics of being a donald trump lawyer. evan corcoran, the attorney client -- federal grand jury that's being run by special counsel jack smith, to talk about the mar-a-lago documents -- what he knew, when and how those documents -- do you reasonably anticipate -- looking down the barrel of that type of scrutiny, because more more attorney-client purposes -- considering the level of criminal -- that's being alleged against donald trump. >> when you talk about the crime fraud exception, which is what pierces the accrue tierney client privilege, it's been reported that that is an extraordinary thing to do. it's not common, but it's not extraordinary. i might have had a lot of

experience with, it representing lawyers and clients in that regard, but if there is evidence, which is done, only one sides seize it, even if the lawyer or the client are involved and sometimes claim crime or fraud its purest. -- also would've had a fifth amendment privilege, and there were very few of any leaks for a federal grand jury. since we all believe he testified, he could not assert attorney client privilege, it's also been reported that he said he represented to the court that -- in response to the grand jury subpoena, that all documents were contained in one storage area and one storage room. it's also been reported that he said it was not donald trump who personally told him that. that's why, almost everybody from mar-a-lago has been subpoenaed because i want to find out who moved the documents, what happened to the

surveillance footage, why is there a gap in this footage and, it's also been reported that there is one gentleman who has been called the diet coke concierge or bellman or something like that, that he hat may have told a grand jury that it was donald trump who told them to move him. the search warrant, as you know, katie, probable cause -- probable cause that, evidence of a crime, and where it exists. it does not say who is responsible for that. in order to -- individual criminal liability, you have to develop who did the acts, who had the criminal intent. jack smith, a war crimes prosecutor, he's not coming in to quickly close and investigation. i need to quickly add that he's always cold aggressive. i don't like that word.

visceral career prosecutor will just do everything, leave no stone unturned and follow the evidence wherever it will lead. if at least of the indictment of donald trump, so be it, and if it leads to the obstruction, there was an obstruction, for -- he has not failed in doing his job. can i add one thing? >> quickly. yes. >> i want to do this anytime i have an opportunity. i want to strongly renounce the inappropriate, horrific rhetoric that donald trump is engaged in on social media and otherwise. death and destruction if i'm indicted. threats to the prosecutor. threats to the judge. all of us, democrat, republican, independent, everybody's got to speak out and denounced that. he's entitled to defend himself, he has first amendment rights, but he does not have a right to cause havoc in the courts. we need to respect our courts, and we can't be threatening

participants. the mar-a-lago, some crazy took shots near the fbi and send -- cincinnati, we all have to just do reports and say, that's off limits. the man, donald trump, who at one time said, the constitution should be terminated, well he is going to get, and he's entitled, to all the protections of that constitution. he should respect that constitution because he will benefit from it. >> jon sale i'm going to leave on that word, because that's exactly the truth, the rule a lot is exactly the truth that we shall be living with. jon sale thank you so much for joining us this morning, i appreciate it. >> it was a pretzel or. >> representation matters, the iconic barbie ban has in addition to its lineup, moralizing the first asian american actress to lead a u.s. tv show. anime won in honor of api heritage was. after the break, when he's -- living on for generations to come. keeping right here on msnbc.

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heritage month, it's may, and celebrated -- barbies inspiring women's series. legendary chinese american actress, anime wang, has now been immortalized as a part of the collection. they don't features wang's signature bangs and smoky eye shadow -- metallic dragon design.

little comes was literature that discusses her career including her making history by becoming the first asian american actress to lead the first american television -- on the hollywood walk of fame for acting. joining me now is one of the collaborators who worked on this tall, and she also happens to be anna may wong niece. anna, good morning so much thank you -- for me, growing up, barbie dolls were white, blue eyed, blond haired girls. i brought one of my original barbie dolls with me today, because i wanted everybody to see. this is a 40 year old barbies all. when i was eight years old, this is what barbies looks like. they were not asian, black, hispanic, they weren't dark haired, they didn't look different when i was eight, but now i have an eight year old daughter and she gets to have this be the barbie dolls that she gets to play with. so, what does it mean, anna, to

have this asian barbie dahl? and it was your and, but what does it mean to you to have this asian bar be available for all children everywhere? >> thank you for having me. it is an amazing honor to work with barbie and -- my family is so proud. keeping the legacy of my aunt alive is illegal but myself, my family, and representations for asians. as you said, my barbies where the blond and blue eyed ones, and i used to think to myself, why are they're barbies that don't look like me? there were no dolls. and this is amazing for aapi months to celebrate the release of the anna may wong inspired barbie dolls. it's amazing. women need to be represented, and i'm glad your daughter has a tall that looks like her and she can play with it. >> yeah. so, analysts, like about your and for a second. i wanted to focus on the ex oracle anecdote that i think speaks of what representation

means, expectedly in the hollywood setting. in 1937, your aunts, anna may wong, lost the lead role of a chinese villager in the good earth. she lost that role to luis rayner, who was a german born white actress. a white male actor was cast for the mail lead, and because of the haze code, which should not allow actors of different races to appear in romantic or marital relationships on a screen, mgm studios couldn't casten asian actress to cast play the female lead. louisa rayner went on to play the lead in that movie in yellowface. she taped up her eyes to make them look slanted, she wore makeup to color her skin, but she then also went on to win a best actress oscar for that role. how does it feel to you to now see the groundbreaking aapi representation in hollywood that we've been seeing this year? >> first of all, i was so proud of this, that the award season this year, the asian representation was amazing.

that scream you heard when michelle yeoh won, that was me. it's been amazing. to get back to your question, though, yes louise reno did win the oscar in yellowface. i find yellowface horrifying, and the fact that we had to do that, that there is asian actors capable of playing a role for an asian character, when they turn around and take a non asian actor, make them yellow face to play a -- issues too confusing. i find that, nowadays, were much better represented, but we also have so much farther to go. there was a series, recently, it was a fictionalized carter of anna may wong and she won an oscar. for weeks, people were asking me, my phone keplinger, saying, do you have her oscar, can i see it? no, because i ended when an

oscar because that was friction. i think yellowface and louise rainier, while she did a very good job, my aunt was devastated that this was the situation. she thought she was born to play the role of a lawn, and i think she would've been amazing. had she won, if she had been in that role, would she have won the oscar? i don't know, which have been been nominated in that timeframe. i don't know. >> and, not before had to let you go, i listen a minute, i do want to ask, this, dalby it -- was in aapi heritage month, how important is it for you to feel like, not only we have the brown breaking anna may wong ball for the barbie series, but to do other things to spotlight our community. >> i think we have a lot to do, and i'm so glad that anna may wong inspiring barbie is the first step. i think we can do it. asians are here to stay. we can be represented in

everything. >> well, i want to thank you, annie wong, the niece of, anna may wong, for working with mattel, for them being so respectful about the process of creating a barbie doll that not only looked like your and, but also is imbued with the energy and the spirit of her. i know that she was a trail blazer. we use that word a lot, but i think it really fits for anna may wong. thank you for sharing your time with us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> and thank all of you for joining me this morning. i'll be back here tomorrow at our regular time of eight a m eastern, where all welcome florida state representative ana eskamani, to talk about what's left of individual rights. now that florida's a legislative session is over. remember, you can keep up with us by following at katie phang show on twitter, instagram and tiktok. stay tuned. the saturday show with jonathan kaye part is coming up right now. now.

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