area where the little optimistic, more optimistic, michael, that's because during the trump era, you had these grassroots movements and organizations that came out of them. in so many committees out there, whether it's run for something or indivisible or groups like that that have produced a ton of energy around creating new candidates, getting people to the polls. especially on the issues of reproductive rights and common sense gun safety reform, i feel like there's a lot of energy, especially among young people. so, i think that 2024 can be a strong here for democrats. >> all right, we'll see. castro and roland martin, thank you very much. that does it for me, thanks for watching. l.a. will be back next week. stay right where you are, inside with jim psaki begins right now. >> another mass shooting in america, this time in the dallas suburb of allen, texas. another round of thoughts and

prayers from republicans who don't have the political courage to do anything on guns, congressman is a dallas native, he also just announce a run for senate against ted cruz. he's here on set for a sunday exclusive, he's coming up first. plus, what a week to get to talk to congressman jamie raskin. alaska about donald trump's open embrace of january six and the wake of more seditious conspiracy charges. meanwhile, stunning new revelations about clarence thomas, one of the court's most outspoken critics, senator sheldon whitehouse joins me in just a few minutes. later, a trip to brooklyn for a conversation for prosecutor turning congressman dan goldman. we talk to his predictions for the investigations into trump and bringing people together with bagels. a little after 3:30 pm local time yesterday, a gunman walked

into an outlet mall in allen, texas and opened fire. nine people, including the shooter or dead. just in the last few minutes, president biden released a statement saying the gunman was wearing tactical gear and armed with an ar-15 style assault weapon. in texas alone, the list of communities impacted by mass gun violence is a horrifying in length. fort hood and sutherland springs, santa fe and el paso, midland, odessa, uvalde, a year ago this month. the small town of cleveland just nine days ago. now, allen. eight people killed for the crime of going shopping on the saturday afternoon. yet another reminder of why many of us don't feel safe from guns anywhere. every time my kids, aged five and seven, walk out the door these days, i'm scared to death for their safety. i know i'm not alone. if you don't feel safe at schools or places of worship, you are not alone either. if you don't feel safe at grocery stores, parades, movie

theaters, you are not alone. if you don't feel safe at shopping malls, you are not alone. if you are sick of being told that calling for change is politicizing tragedy, you are definitely not alone. the issue here is not about you being outraged or fearing for your own life and the lives of loved ones. the problem is not you calling for change and for leaders to actually do something. the people politicizing tragedy here are not the people calling for change, the people politicizing tragedy are those fighting against change. unfortunately, texas is a prime example. here's what governor abbott had to say in an nra convention held in texas just days after the shooting in uvalde last year. >> remember this, there are thousands of laws on the books across the country that limit that owning or using a firearms. laws that have not stopped mad

men from carrying out evil acts on innocent people in peaceful communities. >> so, clearly governor abbott felt pretty good about the gun laws in his state at that time. boy, has he continued to make that and are a proud. texas doesn't require person to pass a criminal background check before buying a gun from an unlicensed cell. texas is not required to obtain a license before carrying a handgun in public. and not to be outdone, greg abbott's policy in the united states senate have worked hard to keep the nra in their good graces as well. >> this is not an excuse to infringe the second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. doing that will do nothing to fix tragedies like this. >> and evidently, when there's a murder of this kind, you see politicians trying to politicize it. you see democrats in a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to

restrict the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens. that doesn't work, it's not effective, it doesn't prevent. >> and guess what? they both have sterling ratings from the nra to show for it. yes, they always have the right words to say for the base. they always have the right talking points, plenty of thoughts and prayers, and calls for ridge sun's not to talk politics. but when families have suffered, when communities are reeling, as they are in allen today, refusing to act to protect the people in your state of fear of your base of support is politicizing tragedy. refusing to support common sense gun reform measures because you fear losing your rating with the nra's politicizing tragedy, don't be muzzled by the people who accuse you politicizing a mass shooting when you call for change. they want you to be silent, they want you to let this slip from the headlines so that they can go back to being

comfortable instead of politically courageous. joining me now is congressman colin allred, represents a district very close to where the shooting happened yesterday. he just announced his run for senate against ted cruz. he were born in dallas, raising your two sons. they're their fifth generation texans. >> that's right. >> before i ask you about the politics of this, i want to ask you about your reaction as a parent. >> i'm sorry i'm joining you under the circumstances. every texan knows that outlet mall. it's a place we can go to get good deals, it's not a place you should be worried that a mad man is gonna come in and tried to murder you and your family. i could not agree with you more about being so worried about your kids. every time i send my foreign two-year-old off to school, i see them go off with someone else, i worry about them. a little too old waddling with his little diaper but. the feeling that maybe something could happen. it doesn't have to be this way, are public places don't have to become memorials. that church could just be where

your daughter got married, it didn't have to be the site of the next mass shooting. this is a policy choice. these are policy choices that are made by the state of texas, and of course, largely blocked in the united states senate, leading with ted cruz. >> now, congressman -- who represents allen, a district for a close to your current congressional district, had this to say last night. me >> here we are, we are resolute and our commitment to pray for, praying and believing for the victims and their families, there are many many people in our community tonight who are hurting, whose lives have been shuttered and who need and deserve our collective prayers, they have them. >> now, everybody puts forward thoughts and prayers, of course, everybody is praying for people during this moment. he didn't have any solutions in

there. how do you resign with somebody like that? >> prayer is important, so his action. and we know there are common sense steps that we can take to make sure this doesn't happen in our country, were not more violent than other countries, we don't have more of a predilection to violence in this country, we have easier access to weapons of war that can do more damage than other countries to. that's why we keep having this happen over and over and over again. it's a form of mass terror. when you don't feel safe in public, it is also impacting your freedom. this is something i think we all understand implicitly. if you're not free to go to the mall, to the movies, to your place of worship, then you have been impacted by this. that's what we're seeing. every single parent, i think, on monday, tomorrow, they're gonna feel something when they drop their kids off at school. they're gonna feel that worry. >> i know i do, i know you. do >> i know why. well >> as you just mentioned, you've been supportive of a range of common sense gun safety measures, you supported

assault weapons ban, federal flag laws, universal background checks, how do you think those positions will resonate with the people of texas as you're campaigning? are you going to tout that on the campaign trail? >> the vast majority of texans support universal background checks, i think that's understood, we should start with that, they support the use of red flag laws, they understand that. we should work and begin where we know we have common ground. we did get a 30 year, for the first time in 30 years, some breakthrough, last year, we can build on that and try to move forward. obviously, this is a situation where we have to talk about what's actually happening. weapons of war should not be in our communities. we are seeing the same types of weapons used in shooting after shooting after shooting. they are not for personal protection, enough for hunting. >> assault weapons. >> assault weapons, these are weapons only one purpose, they are too lethal. i mean, we need to have guardrails on that. >> assault weapons, you have

been a supporter of an assault weapons ban, you did mention that your summer there, is it still years support for assault weapons and something to talk about? >> i'm a cosponsor the legislation, there is no running away from that. i don't think we have to talk about, what we can get done right now, what we have the votes for. that's why i often spend my time on, that's my approach as a legislator. i'm gonna continue to say that something we need to do. to me, this is a common sense thing. eed toit's a common sense thingi think most parents understand, i think most folks understand that these weapons don't have used in our communities outside of killing too many people into short period of time. >> a couple of hours before this latest shooting, senator cruz was attacking you over comments you made five years ago about whether it be better if the second amendment was never written. he said, wow, this guy wants to represent texas. do you want to give more context surrounding those comments and what you are trying to say there? >> the cherry-picking comments, can explain to somebody that we cannot go to the second minute, we have to work to try to,

within the confines, to try and find ways to protect law-abiding gun owners, to make sure that people do have the rights protected, but in a way that's also consistent with protecting our overall freedom and overall communities. i think that's possible. this is not, we should stop acting like this is something we can't do, okay? ted cruz wants to talk about all the things we can't do, how small we are as a country, how small we are as texans, everything we should be afraid of. i have a different story, one about all the things we can do together. i've seen it, i was raised by a single mother in a community where i know i wouldn't be sitting here right now if we were hooted crews thinks we are. >> another challenging policy issue matter is of course immigration. you're running to represent a state that's on the border, how concerned are you about the impact of the lifting of title 42, which is slated to happen this week. do you believe the biden ministration has taken the necessary steps to prepare for that? >> from the border, from brownsville, that's when my mom and were raised, that's where i spend my summers, driving down

there, even going to board up my grandma's house when the hurricane was coming. understand these communities are under, you know, a lot of pressure. we see these surges of migrants, we need to have a response for that. i think one thing we've gone wrong in d.c., whether it's this president or previous presidents, is treating this as a political issue, not helping these communities to feel fully supported. yes, the lifting of title 42 is gonna bring some additional challenges, this is partly because we have folks like ted cruz in the united states senate who won't allow us to pass any kind of comprehensive immigration reform or any reform at all, might help us better address dealing with those coming to our border. it's too good of a political issue, jim, that's why they don't want to deal with this. we have had frameworks before, whether that's in the obama administration, george w. bush, my former constituent. we've had frameworks where we know we can try and do something. we haven't acted on this since the reagan administration, i think we can do something.

>> so, as you're preparing to campaign, do you want president biden, vice president harris to come campaign with you in texas? >> i've always said, this is gonna be about texans talking to texans and neighbors talking to neighbors. i said that when i ran in 2018. >> that sounds like you're not inviting them to campaign with you. >> listen, i'll never turn anybody away, this is not gonna be won by outsiders. there are 30 million texans who deserve a better senator than ted cruz. that is the truth, every texan knows, even folks who are gonna vote for ted cruz, he is only in this for himself, he wants to get on tv as much as possible, he wants to promote his free podcast that he's doing a week as much as possible. >> he's podcasting ally. >> yeah, you know, i represent about 1 million texans, a little less, he represents 30 million, i can't imagine having the time to do three podcasts. you know, of course, that's a bit of a separate topic. this is gonna be about us. we can do, it we can, i know we can, i've won tough races before, i'll be the 22 year incumbent just to get into congress. my storyline has been about

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sand and tell yourself that this isn't happening, i get it, or it shouldn't be happening, i'm here to tell you it's not the time to be an ostrich. despite single-handedly upending the peaceful transfer of power in 2020, he is leading the republican field by a huge margin. in a brand-new poll out today from the washington post and abc news, trump is more than doubling the support of ron desantis. he's also leading joe biden in the hypothetical general election matchup by seven points. this isn't happening because he changed his tune, he's actually doubled down, he's been playing a video of insurrectionists again the national anthem at his campaign events. on friday, he claimed that, quote, the doj and fbi are destroying the lives of so many great american patriots. just in case you are wondering exactly who trump was referring to, his post came just one day after four members of the far-right national script, the proud boys, were convicted of seditious conspiracy for their

role on january 6th. trump's attacks on law enforcement also appeared to have a more personal motive, given his own criminal exposure. this week, the new york times reported on new subpoenas a new cooperation in the special counsel probe -- to hide classified documents at mar-a-lago. late on friday, we learned that at least eight of these bogus electors in georgia have received immunity deals in the election probe down there. so, we have intensifying investigations on the documents at mar-a-lago and the election in georgia, we have trump embracing an insurrection that just produce more seditious conspiracy charges, and that he himself is under investigation for. yeah, he's already been indicted once. none of this is normal. but the chances of a second term are as real as ever. joining me now is congressman jamie raskin, the lead impeachment manager for donald trump's second impeachment trial and also served on the house select committee investigating january 6th.

thank you so much for joining me here this morning. you spent much of, more than a year, i should say, trying to build a case against trump for his role in the insurrection. you can your colleagues studied trump closely, you spoke to people who knew him and worked with him. our democracy barely survived the first trump term. can our institutions withstand another one? >> thank you for having me, jen. well, we survived because of the strength and resiliency of the capitol officers and the political leaders who insisted that we go back in and county electoral college votes. everybody, all americans across the political system, republicans and democrats who rejected trump's attempts to impose a coup in the 2020 election, the secretary of state raffensperger and georgia said, no, he's not gonna go ahead and find thousands of votes that did not exist for trump. there is a lot of people who

stood up. the problem now is that trump has purged a lot of the raffensperger type officials from the voting process. he's consolidated his hold over the republican party. now embracing explicitly authoritarian program, when he ran back in 2016, had never served in office before, a lot of people are saying, hey, this is the guy who's spoken about supporting national health care, this is the guy who is for lgbtq rights. we don't know what to expect. well, we know exactly what he has in mind for us this time. it's an explicitly authoritarian program. he's advancing for the country, he's bragging about essentially having packed and stacked the supreme court with these right-wing justices who have extinguished roe v. wade and are now on a full blown campaign to strip women of reproductive freedom in the country. he's talking about getting rid of civil servants in the department of justice and the fbi replacing them with his

partisan hacks, and then taking over democratic cities, imposing his own law enforcement agenda. we know what kind of corruption and anti-democratic moves he's capable of. so, we are in the fight of our lives again. fully once, shame on you. for me twice, shame on me. so, everybody in america who wants to stand up for constitutional democracy and freedom must recognize this as a moment of maximum emergency. now, the good news, jen, the vast majority of americans reject what donald trump and the republican party is now selling. the problem is, they have every anti-democratic trick in the book, beginning with the gerrymandering of congressional districts, the hijacking of the supreme court by preventing people like the current attorney general from even getting a hearing when he was nominated, when merrick garland was the chief of the d.c.

circuit, we see it in the suppression of voting rights, the manipulation of the electoral college and someone. we have all of the anti-democratic institutions and practices the republican party has mastered against the vast majority will. the gun safety issue is a great case and study of this because more than 90% of the people support a universal background check before violent criminals can get guns. and yet, who are completely stymied by the gop and the nra stranglehold of the political process. that's the struggle we're in today. >> for members of the proud boys were just convicted of seditious conspiracy this week. and their defense, they all pointed the finger at the former president. is it conceivable that special counsel jack smith could be considering seditious conspiracy charges against trump? >> absolutely. i mean, that's not a defense. if you are accused of conspiracy to overthrow the

government or put down the government of the united states, which is what seditious conspiracy means, it's not a defense to say somebody else told me to do it or somebody else was involved in the conspiracy. trump could very much have been part of the proud boys or the oath keepers conspiracy, he might have been involved in an overlapping concentric ring conspiracy with those conspiracies. we don't have a system of justice, i hope, as i said at the january six hearings, where the footsoldiers and the ringleaders down below go to jail and the ringleaders above get a free pass and get to continue their insurrectionist assault on democratic institutions. so, you know, we've seen a lot of justice take place here, the department of justice has been doing an excellent job, more than 1000 arrests, hundreds of convictions have taken place, more than a dozen people have been convicted of seditious conspiracy, completely refuting

those who said, well, how could this be an insurrection if nobody was trying to overthrow the government? well, now, they have their answer, more than a dozen people have been convicted of that. and donald, trump of course, was impeached by 232 vote margin in the house for inciting insurrection against the union. and 57 of the 100 senators agreed that he had incited the men's direction against the union. we did not reach the magic two thirds number to convict the president. yet, we have a concurrent majorities of both houses of congress declaring that that is precisely what he did as a matter of constitutional fact. >> there's also a big debt fight going on here, congressman. we're close to a default, president biden meeting this week with kevin mccarthy. it doesn't seem like republicans are budging. there is some debate, as you know, about whether or not the president could invoke the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling on its own. as a constitutional lawyer, do

you think he has that authority? and is that something you think he should do? >> i think he has that authority under these circumstances, absolutely, because the congress has put him in a constitutionally untenable position. section four of the 14th amendment says the validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. so, if congress votes to spend all of this money, and it's only congress that can do it, it appropriates all of this money. and yet, does not allow the debt limit to go up, at that, point the president is looking at either not abiding by the spending bills that congress has passed, and not needing the rightful demands of social security recipients and bond holders, people owed money by the united states, or, he's looking at not abiding by the debt limit. he is not gonna be able to

respect one set of laws or the other. but in one case, if he decides to default for the country, he's also violating the constitution because the 14th amendment says you can't do that. the validity of the public that cannot be questioned. this has never happened before. so, professor tribe is an excellent piece in the york times today, invoking the correct historical analogy, which is abraham lincoln during the civil war, saying he is going to have to disregard momentarily habeas corpus because he's not gonna let every other law in the union go unrecognized just so one law can be observed. just >> congressman jamie rask, always a pleasure talking to you, i learned so much. thank you, congratulations on kicking cancers but as well. we are so happy about that news to. coming up, my take on the ethics crisis on the supreme court and the absurd and head-scratching responses coming from justice clarence

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thomas put out a rare statement admitting the reporting was true and brushing it off is something friends do. first of all, this friendship started after clarence thomas was already confirmed to the supreme court, he was a supreme court justice already. highland grove him a ride on his private plane. i don't know about you, but i can't say i know many people whose friends pay for their family vacations totaling half 1 million dollars. but okay. then, there was conservative activists wondered leo's response to the washington post reports that he directed under the table payments to thomas's wife, ginni thomas, emphasizing that the paperwork should have, quote, no mention of jenny, of course. of course! didn't deny the, storytelling the post, knowing how disrespectful, malicious, and gossipy people can be, i have always tried to protect the privacy of justice thomas and jenny. shame on all of you out there for gossiping about shady secret payments to the wife of

a supreme court justice. outrageous. then there were the responses to the report that crow paid upwards of $100,000 for the private school tuition of thomas's grand nephew, who the couple were raising as the sun. now, it's not like thomas didn't know he was supposed to disclose the sort of thing. just a few years earlier, he did disclose a 500 -- for his grandnephews education. maybe it's just that $100,000 is harder to explain. so, he figured, don't disclose it at all. crow even confirmed he had paid the tuition, saying, quote, he has long been passionate about the importance of quality education and giving back to those less fortunate. again, very generous. sounds philanthropic. i'm sure it was out of the goodness of his heart and just by coincidence that one of the families benefiting is none other than supreme court justice clarence thomas and his wife. look, the term gets thrown out alive.

this is the definition of gaslighting. they are trying to gaslight you. in case there's any doubt in your mind, you are not crazy for thinking this is all insane. what's crazy is the idea that this is what friends do and this is totally normal for a supreme court justice and how dare you frayer invading the thomas's privacy for asking questions. despite all the nothing to see here, it is not normal for a government official and his family to receive gifts and payments like this. it's even less normal to receive gifts and payments like this and not disclose any of it. i would know. at the white house the restrict rules on what officials could and could not members are generally prohibited from taking gifts more than $50. to anyone not a mathematician out there, $50 is significantly less than super yacht paid patients plus private jets, plus rides on, then plus the new house for mom, for his mom, plus two russian payments, plus

whatever else we might not know about yet. this all brings us to a bigger problem, there is no mechanism to enforce any ethical standards at the supreme court. there is no accountability. and the silence from the court can only lead us to one conclusion, they are fine with the status quo. that could change, if senator sheldon whitehouse has anything to say about it. he's proposed legislation that would put in place greater disclosure requirements and an actual code of ethics for the highest court in the land. go figure. he joins me next. yeah me next yeah (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business too. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon. we all need fiber for our digestive health, but less than 10% of us get enough each day. good thing metamucil gummies are an easy way to get prebiotic, plant-based fiber. with the same amount of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy way to get your daily fiber.

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observer of the supreme court and all of congress than democratic senator, sheldon whitehouse. a member of the judiciary committee and he joins me now. senator whitehouse, thank you so much for taking the time with me today. you're among one of the first to call for the department of justice to investigate all of this. we don't have an update on whether or not they've started. the committee also asked chief justice john roberts come testify, he declined, what do you see is the next steps here on the investigative front? >> well, we're gonna have a hearing in the court subcommittee and judiciary looking into what happened the last time that harlan crow's gifts of utah and jet travel to justice thomas were a subject of investigation. that question was referred to the financial disclosure of the judicial conference.

not at all clear what happened to in 2011. that matters a lot because this matter just car referred to the same committee. it's a matter both of oversight, of this time, and what happened last time. the second thing is to look at the array of groups and individuals around these gifts, the billionaire funded apparatus behind these payments to try to pull together a better understanding of what was the mechanism and what was the motive of directing these payments to justice thomas. >> now, obviously, the chief justice declined to appear. are you considering calling harlan crow or leonard leo to testify? >> well, we're supportive not only of the judiciary committee, but also in the finance committee, where i also say. chairman wyden has asked harlan crow for a tax information. there is a tech slim, it

$17,000 of which you can give to somebody without paying a gift tax on it. these were gives much bigger than $17,000. it's not clear how much gift tax payments were made. there are a number of issues around this we're gonna be pursuing. including tax compliance, misuse of -- organizations. even potentially fraud, for instance, if there were no services rendered by mrs. thomas for the 25,000 dollar payment that leonard leo directed. >> maybe are not there yet, but do you want them to come so you can ask them questions, appear before the committee? >> i think ultimately, yes, but as you know, from your own experience, as you're building towards, you know, investigating and inquiring of primary witnesses, you want to build a case for us, get the records together, be familiar with the documents, and know what peripheral witnesses have to say so the day in court is when you're prepared for when the key witness is finally subject to inquiries.

>> now, it may be that you're working with the finance committee on this, as you just referred to, since you are on that committee, but given senator feinstein's absence, you don't currently have subpoena power in the judiciary subcommittee, as i understand it. are you considering working with other subcommittees, like senator blumenthal standing committee on investigation, for example, in order to compel them to testify or get more information from them? or do you feel you have the power you need from the finance committee? >> i think we have the power that we need, i think for a lot of folks, a request from a congressional committee is enough to provoke a response. and, you know, obviously, president trump kind of broke that convention by requiring subpoenas and then fighting them for everything, but not everybody behaves that way. and if push comes to shove, we'll find a way to bring the power of congress and our oversight authority to bear by

subpoena. >> now, you have called for additional disclosures and actual ethics code of conduct, it's hard for people to believe that doesn't exist right now. but even if that passes, and hopefully there is momentum on that, do you think that you, of the supreme court, the seeking confidence in the supreme court can be restored if clarence thomas is still sitting on the supreme court? >> i think that's gonna be a challenge for the court. i think a robust response by the court will help that. there is no sign of that robust response. i think the court is also shadowed by this enormous dark money apparatus that surrounds the, it shows the last three trump justices that paid for through secret funds, the tv ads for them, the funds, the front groups that come in and give those judges instruction

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obviously, there is a lot of news to ask him about, we talked about the special counsel investigation surrounding former president, and possible indictments that may come next. as lead majority counsel during donald trump's first impeachment in 2019, he is a pretty unique perspective, given that he is one of a handful of people who have ever actually tried to prosecute trump. here's part of our conversation. >> before you are congressman, you served as democratic counsel for trumps impeachment. i, like many americans, have this visual of you, very seriously holding up your hand, appropriate for the rule you are playing. and you've spent a lot of time, i think it's fair to say, studying the man. >> yes. >> what do you think people don't understand about him? >> oh, i mean, i think people understand a lot about him at this point. i think the problem is, you know, we as, on the one side, we think that and recognize that he doesn't think the rules apply to him.

and he is really only invested in his personal interest. i think that was encapsulated so well by all innovation waits in the trial when he made the argument that whatever the president believes is in the national interest. which is an observed statement, of course. so, of course, what i think we fail to understand on the democratic side is the degree to which people connect with his victimhood. donald trump makes himself out to be -- >> his supporters. >> his supporters. and there is a little bit of a cult following that he has developed surrounding his creation of himself as the victim. that's part of the reason why he attacks all of our democratic foundations, why he tries to undermine the fbi, the intelligence community, the executive branch, everybody in his mind is out to get him.

and his supporters believe that. so, when you see an indictment of him, when he is on trial for rape, when there are other criminal investigations going on, he's able to turn that around to his supporters to say, see, they're all out to get me. and we have to figure out a way to break that because he's a true danger to our democracy and to our way of life. >> how do you feel about the pace of what's been happening at the justice department? >> the justice department made a decision right after january six that there was a violent insurrection and they needed to focus on prosecuting everyone involved in that insurrection. they've done a really good job of dismantling the proud boys, of dismantling the oath keepers and these other domestic violent extremist groups. i might add that i would think part of that effort prevented donald trump from being able to

incite the same kind of rally. >> focusing on the oath keepers in the january six insurrectionists first. >> well, trump wanted that same kind of january 6th protest against alvin bragg. it didn't materialize. i think we do have to give the department of justice some credit for dismantling these violent extremists who are the ones who did january 6th, they were not available for donald trump. >> do you think that's because they took action quickly on those individuals and one after them? made clear they be held accountable for that type of action. >> i think, a, the organizational structure to create a replica january 6th, also, yes, i think there is a deterrent effect. the ultimate effect of focusing on those nearly thousand people who've been in the crosshairs have been charged by the department of justice, is that they delayed investigating the conspiracy to overturn the

election, the lead up to january 6th, that culminated with january 6th. i think they would argue it's partly resources shoe, especially since there was no budget, they were operating on a continuing resolution. they did not have extra money that they could devote to this. but i do think that the unfortunate consequence of focusing initially on the violent extremists is that it delayed the needed an important investigation of trump and his associates related to january 6th. it is clear that the special counsel's aggressively pursuing that right now and i think we will have some sort of a resolution to that over the summer. >> my thanks to congressman dan goldman for spending time with me in brooklyn this week. by the way, i went to his sister to learn about his weekend routine. i got a sneak peek of how the focus -- likes is on bagel. you can get congressman goldman's weekend routine msnbc

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