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about the identities of the suspect or the victims. what we do know though, eight people are dead and the suspect killed at a mall in dallas saturday. this after a gunman stepped out of his car and started randomly shooting. seven others were injured, three critically, a police officer who happened to be at the mall killed the suspect. here is what one witness said. >> the first week girl in the bushes was kneeling like she was praying. i don't want to be too graphic. i felt for a pulse, turned her head, she had no face. as soon -- i tried the second victim, he was gone, the third one, i started chest compressions on. he stood up, he just looked at me, he expired in front of me. >> i'll god. video taken by witnesses in the parking lot shows people fleeing in panic and running into traffic as shots rang out. and the latest eruption of an unprecedented string of mass

killings here in the united states. president biden released a statement a short time ago, calling, again, for legislation banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines, in part saying, such an attack is too shocking to be so familiar. republican members of congress cannot continue to meet this epidemic with a shrug, tweeted thoughts and prayers are not enough. let's go to nbc's morgan chesky now in texas with more on this. morgan, welcome on this horrible day, what more can you tell us about this latest event there in texas? is latest even yeah, alex. i can tell you the permit around around this mall remains closed down. you can see state troopers behind me. this perimeter is several acres wide, and keep in mind, more than 120 stores make of this complex. this gunman walked in yesterday afternoon and opened fire. as you mentioned, we are anticipating some sort of update from authorities today. hopefully police are now working in conjunction with both the atf and the fbi here.

we are hoping to get the name of the shooter here. how he obtained this weapon, what exact weapon it was. what we do have our multiple witness descriptions here, alex, from a man dressed in black. carrying a weapon, firing indiscriminately. appearing to wear body armor. according to some of the witnesses we've heard from, looking eerily similar to a police officer. we have known that whenever the gunshots rang out at 3:36 saturday afternoon, inside this packed complex, hundreds ran for cover, hiding in bathrooms, in the backs of shops there as the gunman shot and killed eight people, or seven people, rather. i can't tell you, alex, that on the outside, we've had a chance to hear from the father of one of the employees, who worked at a store here. who called his dad and said, there is an active shooter at the mall. i wanted to let you know, i'm

going to go take cover in the back. and bring as many people as i can with me. here is how that father reacted, upon showing up and witnessing the aftermath of the scene. take a listen. >> this could happen anywhere in united states. it could happen to you. it could happen to you. and we are not immune from it. last night, i was processing a lot of emotions, i was heartbroken. today, i'm mad. mental health and fire that gun, okay? those people were killed with bullets. i saw the bullets. okay? that's what killed those kids. maybe had a mental health issue, maybe was treatable. but if that gone wasn't on the streets, chances are he might not have had access to it. >> and this evening a 5:00 at a local church, there will be a vigil honoring those lives lost, and those still recovering in area hospitals. alex, this is a community that is just 25 miles north of

dallas here. absolutely stunned by what took place yesterday. >> i'm stunned, as well. it's hard to believe that i am given the frequency with which we have to report these horrible, horrible stories. morgan chesky, thank you so much. joining me now is texas state senator, roland gutierrez. senator gutierrez, i'd like to get your reactions to this horrific shooting. and why you might think that officials have yet to make public anything about the suspect. victims i understand, victims need to be notified. are you hearing anything about that? >>, alex we've tried to reach out and find out ages. from some identifier's, as to who the eight the victims are. we received no such information, we are understanding that a press conference should be undertaken very soon, and hopefully we'll be able to get more information. i want to ask you about how i'm feeling, this is horrendous,

it's déjà vu all over again. i want to compare that gentlemen in the cowboy hat that was there, that witness that little girl without a face. those are images we've seen in uvalde, that i've seen on body cams. but compare what he said to what governor abbott said on fox news earlier. saying, look, this is a mental health crisis, this is a mental health problem. this is a problem that is unique to the united states. more unique to texas and this governor has done nothing at all to solve the common denominator. which is access to guns in the hands of menial people. clearly nobody gets up in the morning, and a criminal says i'm going to do this. most of the people to undertake these types of mass shootings have no criminal history. greg abbott is completely wrong, he's completely misguided. and he is completely failed the people of texas. >> strong words right there. you are not wrong, and you

wrote a particular pointed tweet last night saying this. there is a special place and healthy people who watch all this happen and choose to do nothing. hashtag blood on their hands. so look, this shooting comes barely a week after five people were caught -- you've called out the governor. who else needs to be cold out here? >> listen, the governor, dan patrick, ted cruz. last week, they blamed it on an immigrant with an ar-15. how did the immigrant the ar-15 get the ar-15? he got it because of the loose gun laws that these people have put into place. there is not a democrat or a republican out there that thinks it is common sense to allow people to walk down congress avenue in austin, texas, or any other street with an ar-15 and not even have a policeman asking a question as to what he's doing. because that is the state of

the law in texas. you can walk around with your ar fully loaded, and nobody can even ask you a question. that is the chaos that greg abbott, dan patrick, and others have created in the state. that is their chaos, and they need to own this. >> the anniversary of the shooting at robb elementary in uvalde county, in your district, one of the deadliest shootings ever at a texas public school. as you know, it's coming up at the end of the month. and you've repeatedly introduced legislation. four sets of bills addressing gun safety. talk about the kinds of laws that need to be passed to help prevent these shootings from happening. and mike, one of them might have prevented what happened yesterday. >> yesterday, clearly we filed extreme protective order laws. you have to imagine that this person was mentally ill. if he had made threats to others, if others had known of his position of firearms. as is the place in florida, by the way, where they've executed

9000 of these. it's worked well. law enforcement is greatly in favor of it. we don't know how old this person is, to see if the age limit would've changed anything. universal fact ground checks, we don't know how he obtained the gun. there is so much that we don't know by this time. and sadly, at the pace that texas law enforcement goes, may not ever know. but we have to be able to get this information, so we can avoid this from happening again. we have three weeks before the legislative session ends. we can do age limit increases to 21. we can do extreme risk protective orders, and we can do close the gun show loophole, where everybody gets a gun. we don't even have to show a license in texas. that's how pathetic our gun laws are at gun shows. >> quickly, sir, we will get a response to -- a republican congressman representing allen. he responds to people who feel prayers aren't enough. they said, quote, those are people who don't believe in an almighty god.

he is absolutely in control of our lives. >> i've said this earlier. look, they got i believe and gives us free will. he allows us to make our own decisions. and he allows lawmakers to make laws that make sense, to protect people. the bible says to protect those that are in power, those that are an elected office. micah's they're supposed to have wisdom, and someone. there's not a whole lot of wisdom in the texas house, and clearly there's not a whole lot of wisdom in congressman themselves, their identification or understanding of the bible. we have a lot of work to do, we are broken in this country. the chaos that is happening is happening because republicans like him and others in congress, and in our texas capital have a lot of this chaos continuing. more guns does not equal less crime. it is clear now that more guns equals more crime. >> i'm sorry to have to speak with you about this, but it is good to see you sir.

thank you. >> the u.s. right now is on record pace for 2023. in the past hundred 11 days, that is once every six and a half days. the record for mass killing instances was 45 in 2019, and a record 230 people were killed in 2017. ahead, i'm going to be speaking with congressman richie torres about whether anything might be different on gun reform this time. also, his reaction to a tragic chokehold death of a man on the new york city subway car. what should happen next. why a deadline for donald trump is just hours away, which you might have missed after his due videotape deposition was released for the first time. we're back in 60 seconds. seconds safelite? >> vo: for us, driving around is the only way we can get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one else we'd trust.

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ceiling. he wants to see congress do what they did multiple times the trump administration, which is increased it ceiling without all the attention and drama we are going to see play out here in washington over next few weeks. privately, white house officials are talking about trying to get a potential short term debt ceiling increase. kick it until september, which is when we usually have the spending battles in washington. that would allow those conversations to be much more clearly linked. but a real challenge to the possibility came yesterday, when we saw a letter from 43 senate republicans, saying they will only vote for a debt limit increase of their spending cuts attached. immediately is ten republicans to go along with the claim that -- the nuclear option here is saying that the president can raise the debt limit unilaterally. it was important we heard from key officials yesterday, including the deputy secretary on msnbc. here's what he said about the possibility.

>> i haven't gotten there yet. is the 14th amendment a real option? >> i've been doing this along time. and every time we get to the situations, people try and look for ways around this. but each time, since 1960, the way that we have dealt with this is that congress on these occasions have lifted the debt limit. that's what they're going to do this time. it's the only way that we can guarantee we are in a position where we can continue to meet all of our obligations. and we can make sure that our seniors are paid, that our troops are paid, and it's what we expect congress to do before we hit the debt limit. >> the treasury secretary herself was on abc, and she says she does not want to consider emergency options like. this event that what we've also heard from president biden. i am not there, yet as he told -- that means they have to find some way to negotiate, raising the stakes for that meeting on tuesday. >> thank you very much, mike. the calls for justice after a

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it's good to see you again. let's get into this right now. whether it is this texas rampage of the many other mass shootings this year, how much does it underscore that congress is limited action on guns, like last year's law -- it isn't anywhere close to enough. what is going to take for leaders to take bolder moves? >> according to gun violence archive, as of today, there have been more than 14,000 gun deaths in the united states. more than 600 children and teenagers have died at the hands of gun violence. and in a rational society, every gun would be registered, regulated, and safely stored. every gardener we have a permit or a license. and every sale would be subject to a complete background check. but there is nothing remotely rational about a political system that's been captured by the nra, and that enables a fanatical few to filibuster gun

safety at the expense of 330 million americans. it is profoundly disheartening to think that no amount of mass murder against children can break the iron grip the nra has on the republican party. protesters in new york city clashed with police, jumping onto subway tracks. this is the chokehold death of george nearly. he was threatening passengers, when rider daniel payne put him in a headlock. that resulted in his death. penny's lawyer says he acted to protect himself until help arrived. and didn't intend to harm him. attorneys for the family saying there has to be a clear line of when lethal force can be used by anyone. what is your reaction to all of this? what does it say about how people view the homeless and how new york city is handling it. >> jordan nearly was not armed

with any weapon, he did not manifest any physical threat. ultimately, they choked him to death. mr. penny should be prosecuted for homicide in some form, whether it's murder or manslaughter. if the feeling of discomfort becomes grounds for killing the severely mentally ill, we cease to be a civilized society. and we seems to be governed by the rule of law. if you are struggling with severe mental illness, if you have no control over your mental faculties and have no ability distinction right and wrong, you are a victim of your condition. you should be treated with humanity and empathy. >> yeah. let's move to president biden. as you know, he meets tuesday with the four congressional leaders on the debt ceiling. today, the treasury secretary

warned of economic chaos and calamity. do republicans somehow doubt that deadline? it is profoundly hypocritical for the republicans to claim to be fiscally responsible, and then threatening to default on america. it's the single greatest example of hypocrisy in american politics. president biden has spent more than two years creating jobs and strengthening the american economy. whereas republicans on a kamikaze mission to destroy jobs. according to the republican budget. it would destroy 100,000 jobs in the united states, and it would got the social safety net for senior citizens. our greatest americans are in danger of becoming victims. >> how serious is the prospect

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sarah. >> it's the most ridiculous, disgusting story. it's just made. after that happened, it would've been report within minutes. >> the jury in manhattan watch clips of the deposition. carols turning, turning the focus to that now emphasis access hollywood tape. >> when your star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the -- you can do it. that's what he said, correct? >> it's true with stars? that you can grab them? >> if you look over the last million years, that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately, fortunately. >> do you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> trump repeatedly said miss carroll was not his type. >> it's not politically correct to say it, but i'll say it anyway. >> then he mistook carroll for

his ex-wife marla maples. when shown this old photo of him shaking carols and. >> i don't even know the woman. i don't know -- is it marla? >> you're saying marlins in this photo? that's marla. that's my wife. >> throughout the deposition, mr. trump steadfastly denied carols accusation, and going after carole's attorney. >> you're a political operative, also. anna here a disgrace. >> later, turning to her physical appearance. >> you wouldn't be a choice of mine, either, to be honest. i would not under any circumstances have any interest in you. >> joining me now, lisa rubin, the analyst who is in the courtroom for the entire trial. that deposition -- okay. donald trump denies these allegations, lisa. we've heard no reaction to this video from carole or her

attorney. which commented, though, in your mind, stood out is most damaging to him? >> i think there are two. one of them you've played, it was the historically, where he says stars can do whatever they want. fortunately or unfortunately. i'm not sure in what universe would be fortunate that stars could grab women anywhere they wanted. and of course, trump is playing almost -- saying, this has been the case for 1 million years. so he can't help himself. his insecurity almost gets the better of. him he always has to be the expert. >> i was watching that suplee closely here in the studio, to see if there's any sort of -- because the immediate follow-up question from the attorney was, do you consider yourself a star? he goes and says, what he thinks stars are capable of doing, do you think you are a star? yeah. and that's how you build a case, alex.

it was totally stunning. and of course, the way that you build a case in the court of law is not by asking someone the direct question. you said x, and x means why. but you build your case incrementally. she asked him whether it was true historically, and then a follow-up question, do you think you are a star? any sort of shrugs and says, yeah, i think you can say that. that's a damning admission in a series of questions. in over the course of that deposition, there are some others that are equally damning. what is going to say before is the second one that really got me is when he is explaining how various women have accused him of assault, they are not his type. he says, that's the only difference between me and everybody else. i am honest. and of course, anybody who has followed donald trump's career over the last decade knows what a canard that is. and yet he really says without any irony. he believes he is the honest broker here. >> and how did the jury react? >> it's such a dangerous game

to try to read juror body language. but i will terrell tell you, the jurors were wrapped in attention. this is obviously the first and only contact of any kind they will have had with donald trump, assuming that joe tacopina was correct, in that the defense will have rested by tomorrow morning. and so to see donald trump admit to some of the things that he is now trying to run away from, i think was really captivating for the jurors. whether they will decide in her carer -- that is a different question. and i certainly hope we've evolved as a society, where we understand how trump and the victims behave sufficiently to know that. someone can be raped, and yet not remember things like the day of the week, or the time. and yet other things about that experience are visceral about them and stay with him for decades. >> trump's attorneys have opted not put out a defense case, how might a jury interpret that?

>> i think that their whole game this entire time was to poke holes and carols case as a vehicle for winning. they understand full well what a vulnerable client they have. i don't know that the jurors are necessarily going to judge him for that, but it's a glaring at -- >> i would assume he would launch to mount some sort of defense, even if you don't take the stand in your own capacity. >> thank you so, much my friend. are you still thinking about it today? i know i am. reflections on a big news story that will make many people smile.

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them wanting to come to the border. here between san diego and taiwan, we have to border barriers. this is the first one. and behind me you can see a camp of migrants. migrants have never camped out here. up on top of that hill is a second border fence. so what migrants are doing, they're jumping over that first fence and coming to camp out here, waiting for border control agents to apprehend them so they can request asylum. there are some humanitarian activists here behind me that are giving food and water, to some of the migrants. they're waiting for the border patrol agents taken to the processing stations, the processing facilities. because those are overwhelmed, according to local border patrol officers, they can't fit anymore migrants there. so some of these individuals have to wait here for 24 hours, or even 48 hours. we've had conversations with some of them, and also some of the activists that have arrived. here's part the conversation that we had with him. >> it is very difficult for us.

i am hungry. i'm very cold. >> he wants people to know that they need help. it is very difficult. he wants the opportunity in the states. >> some people have been here for two days and some of them have been here for 24 hours. so we are just concerned that there is a risk. this morning when we arrived, we count between 2 to 300 migrants behind this border wall. border patrol agents will come, we will talk to them, and organize them into groups to load them on vans and take him to these processing facilities that are at capacity. they've also had emt crews come in every diet.

we've just seen a woman was taken on a stretcher, because she hurt herself during the journey. the conversations we've had with them, i've asked them how they got there. many of them said they took a bus. i spoke with a group from vietnam the travel for four months, a lot of them from south america. that's the situation here in san diego. while we have the search also happening in texas and other parts of the border, alex. >> it's hard to listen to, and hard to seeing. because those people are right there on the other side of that fence. thank you, bill. let's go now to the uk where today's star studded coronation concert is a little more than an hour away. it's capping a weekend of breathtaking events, marking the crowning of king charles. and the local stars including lionel ritchie, katy perry, and andrea mata chillier set to perform at windsor castle as king charles and queen camilla thank everyone who helped make yesterday ceremonies such a glorious occasion. nbc's megan fitzgerald is in london with more. i am reflecting what you experienced yesterday. it was pretty exciting.

talk about the memorable moments overall that you think are going to make it to the history books. this is the first time we've witnessed this in our lifetime, the crowning of the king individual for something. and then watching the newly crowned monarch make their way inside that gold stagecoach. it proceeded through the streets of london with some 4000 service members behind them. the pomp and circumstance delivered. like only the brits can, right? and then all the eyes are on the balcony as we wait to see whether or not we could see prince harry. as it turns out, he wasn't invited to the balcony and ended up leaving shortly after you go back to california. but it was prince louis who of course stole the show and all of our hearts, with his adorable wave. and then of, course we saw him earlier in the day, yawning at the ceremony, and singing. so many moments to remember. let's take a listen to this. >> we have such a gorgeous, gorgeous dance today.

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brownsville, texas, where seven people are confirmed dead in with nbc news affiliate reports was an intentional crash. it appears to be that. the brownsville fire department says seven were killed at least 11 had been hospitalized. the fire department has not confirmed whether the crash was intentional, though. however, police have closed roads near the intersection at minnesota houston road. they are monitoring the situation and will bring you any updates as we get them. joining me right now, don calloway, democratic strategist and founder of the action fund. republican strategist at msnbc political analyst. okay, dawn, with title 40 looming, we don't have any details but what i've just reported. but after saturday's shooting, now this. what is your reaction to

tragedy after tragedy? we should say, this particular incident reporting from brownsville, it is believed to have happened right near a migrant shelter. it's a place that is used to host migrants and homeless people. so we don't know who the victims are, but if it's near that shelter, and it turns out to be intentional, what's going through your mind? >>, it's also depressing. i think alex, you and i have been doing this -- i hesitate to say, but this is almost weekly at this point. and i think that the reality is, until congress, the people we donate, to the people we vote for decide to act, and i know this is going to sound niqab and not hopeful, but all of us are on the clock for a mass shooting. it's either going to be you or someone you know. that is the pattern we have established. it is the pattern we have

decided to embrace as americans. until congress acts to ban these weapons of mass destruction called ar-15s. there are as many of them as there are people in some states. and the distinction, y'all, before you get in my twitter and say, why don't you ban -- the distinction is, there is no discernible utility other than killing a massive amount of people. there is clearly utility such that you would not want to ban these. so this is just so set, and it's the reality that we've chosen to live with, unfortunately. it's a reality that is often visited upon black folks, jewish folks in pittsburgh. black folks in louisville. migrants in brownsville, kentucky. as well as an elementary schools. and it's visited upon children, time and time again. america, this is how we decided to live. and it's a terrible and embarrassing state of affairs. >> let me add another detail.

this is thanks to nbc's kindle, lanny saying that senior law enforcement officials say someone drove a vehicle into a group of immigrants. visiting a catholic charities facility in brownsville, and they believe this was an intentional act. >> your thoughts, as you hear this news, susan? >> alex, the first thing i thought of was charlottesville, with it driver who plowed into the counter protesters of that nazi rally. and actually the driver was convicted of 29 counts of hate crimes. and if that isn't intentional, i hope we see that same enforcement. but what also hits me is that we are hearing of people being shot for ringing the wrong doorbell. or someone being killed in a chokehold. or someone plowing into immigrants. what it shows me is that this regard for a life is --

and somehow, it has become okay to kill in this country. it seems like in our society, that is unacceptable thing to do if you're angry. and that to me just takes me to my core. >> the logistics of, this is where this all happens, you're echoing the sentiments of california governor gavin newsom, who responded to the shooting in texas that happened. here's what he tweets. just this morning, this is freedom? to be shot at a mall, shot at a school, shot in a church, shot of the movies? we have become a nation that is more focused on the right to kill than the right to live. this is not what the american people want. do your job, congress. emphatic words, and for good reason, there susan. let's also listen to what democratic congressman hillary scholten said today on capitol hill's approach to gun violence. >> i personally cosponsored eight different pieces of common sense gun control legislation that has the

majority of americans backing it. and republicans refuse to bring it to the floor. we can preserve the second amendment, and protect our children. this is not a zero sum game. >> don, what is going to take for there to be a change in the political response to these shootings? when will americans see their elected leaders ignore partisan lines, create some sort of common sense among them, and thin common sense laws? >> you know, i'm going to go ahead and say it. and i don't know that -- she seems to be reasonable. let's have common sense reforms. but we talked about this last year in the face of bipartisan common sense reform. nipping around at the edges won't stop these mass shootings. ban the ar-15. it is time to ar -- and yes, even consider seizing those that exist. because there's no reasonable purpose for them. we don't allow people to have

bazookas. we should equate the ar-15 to the same place. i really don't want to hear about common sense gun reform. i'm also tired of mainstream democrats talking about respecting the second amendment. you know? what it's time to revisit the second amendment. it's time to talk about and have courageous conversations about what utility the second amendment really has in 2023. there is not a whole bunch of people killed and honor the second amendment, but there's been no tyrants overthrown, there's been no protection against invading militias because these things don't exist in the way they did in 1776 or whenever the constitution was written. by the way, we've amended it, 27 times. we should have the courage to talk about amending it when it comes to the second amendment is supposed to placating middle of america owners who have some fear that the unwatched masses and immigrants are going to one day take this country that they want snow. that's at the root of this. we have to be honest about what our country looks like today, what the new world looks like and what the second amendment

really does, other than continues to protect the right of public shootings. >> 15 seconds, is, and to your, second amendment, revisiting, and the chance of that happening? >> it should be, but the way to do it is to make law enforcement on the side of reform. that's where they are. it would be very wise for the democrats to make that union, to push these laws. >> all, right you guys, thank you for all the breaking news. we had other things planned, we'll get to next weekend. many thanks. that's the difference in this addition of alex witt reports. i'll see you again next saturday at noon eastern. my friend yasmin continues our coverage right now. >> good afternoon to, i am yasmin vossoughian, it's happened again, another mass shooting in this country, in north texas, the second shooting in the state just days. over the next two hours, we're gonna get the very latest on the ground, talk with activists demanding gun reform