so powerful, but it also looked at classrooms that aren't working. our kids are not listening to each other, they're having more heated debates, and that's not healthy. when you want to talk to each other and look at different sources, you want to share different viewpoints, a big part of that is hearing and asking questions, understanding different perspectives. that is not what they're doing, it is getting heated and it shutting down. >> yeah, active listening, that is certainly something that we talk about a lot in our own profession as journalists. interviewing people like you, also something we want our children to do as well in their education. we thank you for this. we have got a lot more coming up, folks. you are watching msnbc. our second hour starts right now.

welcome. i am yasmin vossoughian. if you're just joining us, it is good to see you. if you're sticking with us, we are so thankful for that. we have some new details today in america's latest deadly shooting. what we know about the all too familiar weapon that the gunman used and the concerns law enforcement has to protect americans when they are so often outgunned. we are going to get into that. plus, what will it take to see enemy legislation to have -- we are also following breaking news out of brownsville, texas where a vehicle struck and killed seven and injured six migrants. going to bring you the latest on that. we are live on the ground as migrants move to a safer future here in the united states. what is the reality for so many as title 42 ends in just four days time? a death on a new york city subway which is drawing national attention -- i'm going to have a frank and

honest discussion with princeton university professors about the delicate balance for those who take justice into their own hands and law enforcement is not around. plus, the growing influence of artificial intelligence and computers -- how it works and what scientists are doing right now to find out if it is actually helping or if it's hurting humanity. we begin, though, in brownsville, texas where seven people are dead and 12 others were injured after a video drove into a catholic charities facility. i want to follow developments on this story. bring us up to date this hour on what you are hearing. >> jasmine, we had some trouble with connectivity here. the latest report from brownsville indicates that seven individuals died in that accident that we are seeing

here. a vehicle ran into these individuals outside of a catholic church. there also are reports that 11 individuals who were transported to hospitals -- we also know from speaking to local police that they are looking into this incident to see if it was intentional or not. that is the information that is now developing. there are videos that msnbc's looking to confirm that have been shared by mexican news outlets just south of the border which show what happened there. these are videos that we are working to confirm. some mexican news outlets have shared them. those are the details that we are getting out of brownsville. this is in the rio grande valley sector, an area that secretary mayorkas visited days ago. he announced a processing center because of the overwhelming number of migrants that have been arriving in that area. they had that number for more than 2000 migrants arriving

daily. that is why we have seen in these large crowds not only at the processing centers but also at some of these shelters where the migrants, once they are in the u.s., once they're in this asylum seeking process, they go to a lot of these shelters to seek help. this is a lot of information that we have. the specifics of what happened, we are still waiting for more details. >> you happened it to be down there because you were supposed to be lifting of title 42 in just two days time. we asked you to pivot. we are thankful for that. bring us up to date as we prepare in this country especially in those border communities. the real humanitarian crisis that we have been seeing there at the border. >> yasmin, we are at the border reporting on this latest search. these are migrants who have recently crossed into the united states, right? we are on the other side of the border in california. this is the border between san

diego and tijuana. this particular part of the border has two fences or two barriers. when you see the back on top of the hill, that's the first one. a lot of migrants have jumped over that barrier, going under and camping out into this area. border patrol officers come pick them off. they will be apprehended and taken to a processing center. the processing centers in this area are also at capacity. that forces them to keep the individuals here for 20 4:48 hours. yasmin, it gets really cold here at night. it gets hot during the day. you can see some of them trying to find a shade. when the sun goes down, the temperatures drop. we've also seen ambulances like the one you can see right now. they just picked up one of the migrants and put him on a stretcher. this is the third ambulance we have seen today. the effort here is also humanitarian. they distribute water. they distribute some food. we also have organizations

come. we've heard the border patrol officers tell them, we can't take you anywhere because it's full over there. we are days away from the end of title 42. we have been talking about migrants coming in from south america. particularly in tijuana, i've talked to people from vietnam. i've spoken to people who are from jamaica. there was another group somewhere down there that were european. there were women down there from georgia. they are from all over the world. all of them are telling me that even though they might not understand the policy, the integration policy at the border, they do understand that people are coming to the u.s. to seek asylum. they say this is the only way for them to move forward. some of them are fleeing violence. some of them are fleeing economical difficulties in their country because of political reasons. they have gone to the border. this is just tijuana. we have a surge happening in texas and other parts of the u.s. mexico border.

>> we appreciate you. thank you. we now turn to the mass shooting in allen, texas. just before 4 pm local time, a lone gunman opened fire in an outlet mall, killing eight people including children. the suspect was later killed at the scene. three remain in critical condition. joining us now is morgan chesky in allen, texas. let's talk through some of this. since you when i talk, there have been developments, especially on the shooter. what do we know? >> yeah, two senior law enforcement officials have confirmed to nbc news that the sole shooter at the rays have identified in this mall shooting here in alan has been identified as a 33-year-old man who was the individual who was killed by a police officer who responded to give an unrelated call here at the mall when he heard the gunfire. he immediately engaged that

33-year-old gunman who was shot and killed here at the scene. this was minutes after the gunfire was initially reported at 3:36 on a very busy saturday afternoon. that is a significant update. in addition to that, yasmin, we have learned that they also obtained and recovered another firearm, a rifle from the body of garcia. there was ammunition that was found in his car parked in a parking lot here at the mall. more witness accounts have provided insight into the shooting and into the shooter. he was described as wearing body armor, looking very tactical in nature, very similar to a police officer. that is how he was described by a mother who brought her two daughters here and was supposed to be a pre-summer vacation shopping trip which ended up with her keeping her two daughters locked in a bathroom

while the mother drew her concealed carry a sidearm and stood guard over them. i want you to hear what she had to say in her own words. >> we are looking around and i was looking at the shirt area. i hear a couple of booms. everyone just kind of looks up. you hear a few more. a couple of us said it was an active shooter. we all went to the back. >> you call your boyfriend, you tell them you hear gunshots. what does he say? >> he's telling me to make sure we are in enclosed areas, put something heavy in front of the door. everybody stay low. he asked me if i had my gun on me. i said yes. i already had it out. i was ready to protect him. i was ready to protect anyone in the room. >> that mother told me, yasmin,

that alice police escorted this group of shoppers who were inside the store out into safety, she did her best to cover the eyes of her young daughters as they walked past multiple bodies there. we do know that there are three people, victims in critical condition at area hospitals. the age ranges of the victims is five years old to 61. yasmin? >> yet another traumatized community. thank you. i want to bring in a former fbi supervisor and former member of the hostage rescue team. thank you for joining us. one of the things i found suspect about yesterday and even into today, especially after covering uvalde and how much misinformation came out of uvalde, it was the drip, drip, drip of information. it was initially in that very short press conference outside that mall yesterday. they heard from officers on the

ground. they took no questions. only now are we learning of what the individual, the suspect was carrying, identifying his name and his age. what do you make of that? am i making something out of nothing here? do you think they should have been more forthcoming? >> i think it is training. if you look back at the nashville shooter, they are very upfront. there is lots of information. they talked about what they did. the department sends these people to training. it's a much smaller town here. the police department might not have as much formal training. that is the same thing if you look at the shooting in alabama. you didn't get much from them. again, it is a very small town. they're not going through the same type of training. i think that's what it is. the only time they really hold

up information is when they think there might be some type of connection. there might have been something in this that they thought the shooter may have acted with someone else or possibility that they want to look into. >> the mayor was speaking earlier and talked about how it was the quick response from the officer on the scene neutralizing the suspect which saved so many lives, right? i think back to -- i believe the response time at the school in nashville was just over ten minutes. i believe it was 13 minutes, to be exact. you look back at uvalde which was an hour and 18 minutes or so, an hour in 20 minutes. do you think authorities, police, training have taken place because of uvalde? have folks learned their lesson when it comes to response? you go in and you don't think

twice. >> everyone i talked to who has been in the police business was horrified about uvalde. a lot of times, you don't like to talk bowed about it. you don't understand what might be going through someone's head. the volley was horrid. they were horrified that a shooting was going on and police were not taking action. when he looked at nashville, that was an unbelievable response. it's still ten minutes. they got their, came together, went in. they did not hesitate. this one was a police officer who was on another call. he heard shots and just were into it. that is totally counter to the old days of waiting for backup. he ran into a gun fight not only knowing -- this guy just ran. this woman just ran alone.

he ended a lot. he still had a lot of space and time that he could get more structure. >> rob d'amico, thank you so much. we have been following the story out of brownsville, texas where a car rammed into a group of migrants, killing seven individuals and injuring 12 others. we are getting new developments as well for the identity of the person who was driving that car. we have been on this. we spoke with lieutenant martin sandoval who is a spokesman for the browns were police department. the driver who ran into the migrants at a bus stop -- the driver was intoxicated, in fact. they are not sure if he acted intentionally or if it was an accident. the driver who has been arrested and is in custody is a hispanic male who is not cooperating. this is what sandoval said.

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we will talk about this more. representative delbene, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. before we get into debt ceiling talk, let's talk about what's happening in texas. as i was speaking to our reporters on the ground there about the lifting of title 42 in four days time, i mentioned how so many migrants are looking for a safer life. it's not safer here anymore. every single day, three times just this week. what do we do? >> what happened in allen, texas was a horrific tragedy. i agree with the victims, the families, our communities. we have had just under 200 mass shootings in this country so far this year. there is more that we can do. we have to make this a top

priority. the public feels that way. i was not a high school in my district recently just after the shooting in tennessee. the first thing the students brought up was, what are we going to do to make sure? how do we worry about if we're going to make it home at the end of the day? it is the public agreeing, members of congress, legislators. i think the way we do that is we have legislators who make this a priority and focus on getting things done. >> you are the head of the dccc. i was speaking with -- we were covering the president. i asked him whether or not guns are going to be a voting issue for 2024. we knew it was going to be abortion and the economy. could guns be an issue? how do you get more democrats involved? how do you hold democrats on

this and get elected to make real, effective change when it comes to gun legislation? >> i think there are so many things. the public wants to see governance work. they want to see us tackle the issues that we are facing. obviously, one of those issues is gun violence across our country. it is standing up for reproductive rights and freedoms. it is making sure we have a strong economy that works for everyone in our country, that we are tackling the climate crisis. governance is important. making sure governments works is critical. we have seen from day one house republicans show chaos. they've been taken over by the most extreme members of their party. we need leaders who are going to focus on tackling issues. when i traveled across the country. i have heard from folks across the country who don't want extremism to rule. they want strong, solid leadership. that is going to play a huge

part in this election. people are already energized about the election. they want to see as focus on issues. we saw last congress what can happen when we have strong leadership focused on getting things done. >> we initially wanted to have you want to talk about the debt ceiling. as i was coming to you, this statement from janet yellen essentially said that there could be an economic calamity in the future if something doesn't happen. we obtained this letter here signed by 43 arrival cans saying they will not sign on to a clean debt ceiling increase. what happens? what is your reaction? >> first of all, we need to pay our bills. families pay their bills. we need to pay our bills. a default would be, as the secretary said, catastrophic for our country. hundreds of thousands of jobs would almost certainly -- it has an impact on the global economy. we could solve this very simply

by passing legislation to address this, making sure we compare bills and move forward. unfortunately, all we have had formidable keynes is an ongoing desire to hold our economy hostage. they produced a ransom note of what has to happen. let's address this right away. we could be doing this this week. pass legislation could take this uncertainty off the table. it would be great if republicans would put forward a budget which actually shows what they want to do going forward. they haven't even provided a budget yet for what they think the -- where we should invest, where they want to. they want to cut programs across the board. they still don't have a plan. >> what is -- [inaudible] suzan still benny, thank you. later this hour, i'm going to speak to ron reynolds about what could be done to curb gun

violence in states like his. they are experiencing an uptick in shooting tragedies. republicans refused to do anything about it. we are also going to get to the latest developments on the texas mall shooting. a hand, as title 42 is set to end, the biden administration says it is prepared for an influx of migrants. i'm going to speak to one local texas organization about what they are seeing on the ground. >> [crowd chanting] >> protesters take over the tracks in support of the homeless man who died after being put in a chokehold on the subway. we're going to look at the call for charges and the growing concerns coming out. coming out.

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in a split screen moment, texas governor greg abbott responded to calls for increased gun reform on fox news as a witness

in the shooting spoke to jonathan capehart about his experience. >> there has been a dramatic increase in the amount of anger and violence that is taking place in america. what texas is doing in a big-time way, we are working to address that anger and violence by going to its root cause which is addressing the mental health problems. >> it wasn't mental health that killed these people. it wasn't automatic rifle with bullets. i am a former police officer. i'm a former army officer. in these guns, they have to get off the streets. this is going to keep happening. >> joining me now, texas democratic state representative ron ronald who represents a district outside of houston. thank you for joining us on this. >> it's a pleasure. >> anger and violence, that is what your governor is saying. the reason is for this latest mass shooting in your state. what do you make of what he said?

>> first of all, it's going to be on with you, not under the circumstances. i think governor abbott is a whole lot of hot air and rhetoric. we have seen a rhetoric. i was a church praying for the victims of the families. my faith teaches me that faith without words is dead. we are sick and tired of being sick and tired of saying enough is enough. we need gun reform legislation now. we are running out of time for this legislative session. we are entering the one year anniversary of the mass shooting at uvalde. texas leads the nation over the last decade. all i get from governor abbott and the republicans's hopes and prayers. they are never addressing these assault rifles, ever addressing red flag laws, closing the loopholes. there are things that we can do to protect second amendment rights and help save lives. enough is enough, governor abbott! we are sick and tired of your

hopes and prayers. we want legislation and we want to now. >> here's a tweet that connecticut senator chris murphy shared from governor greg abbott from back in 2015. he said this -- i am embarrassed. texas is number two in the nation for new gun purchases behind california. let's pick up the pace, texans! he tags the nra. >> yeah, that is not surprising for governor abbott. he is in the pockets of the nra, the national rifle association. they put profits over people's lives. a few sessions ago, governor greg abbott reduce the age to purchase cigarettes from 18 to 21. i reported that. there have not been republicans who are willing to raise the age to purchase military style assault weapons. how many more people do we have? how many parents and fathers

and mothers and sisters and brothers? how many more? enough is enough. you cannot quantify profits over people. that is what they are simply doing. they are not allowing any common sense legislation to be voted on the house floor. those uvalde families waited hours and hours to testify. they were opposed by the nra. they would rather continue their assault on women's reproductive rights, banning books, the assault on the lgbtq community and legislation which harms black and brown people, but absolutely nothing for common sense gun reforms. we are making it easier to purchase guns, not harder. we are doing nothing, absolutely nothing. the people need to stand up and hold officials accountable. >> how do you affect chain if

you had a republican controlled legislature in texas along with a republican governor who will not budge? how do you do it? >> well, the people. it's quite simply -- we've seen in the polling. we have seen neutral, non-biased, nonpartisan polling. it shows 75% of democrats and republicans favor common sense gun reforms. those are some simple things. those are some things that we can do in this session. we can't keep kicking the can down the road. how many more people tragically have to die? this was a death that probably could've been prevented. we need to do something. we cannot continue to say, oh, we're going to hope and pray it away. that has not worked. what do we need to do? we need to influence some things. the people can speak. we have a limited window of

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services because of a surge in migrants in the border city. we've been showing you these remarkable images from there as the city is overwhelmed with people crossing over into the united states from other countries. scenes like this can grow come thursday when title 42 is in fact listed. that is a policy which began with the trump white house. john martin is a deputy director for the -- he is joining us now. can you share some of those images with us just outside of your shelter that we are seeing? give us a sense of how close this is to the facility that you are on. if el paso has the capability to deal with the surge we are likely to see come thursday, what are we seeing now? >> the photographs, to answer your first question, are immediately behind two of our facilities. the second one is for the

women. as you look down the alley, you will see our facility currently to the right. the other photographs to the left. we have about 200 people inside. that's the reason we can't bring them in at this point. as of last night, the updated count is approximately 819 individuals who are residing outside of our shelter. >> oh my gosh. >> what you don't see here is one of our small parking lots which has been converted for further use as well. it is just an incredible amount of people. in all honesty, this all started a little over ten days ago. there was the week before last when we had 70. it has grown exponentially since then. >> what is happening when it comes to supplies for these folks who are living on the street? you said you have 200 people within your facility, essentially at capacity. when you have almost 1000 people outside of that facility, what type resources do they

have, do they need? are there people able to access food, water, bathrooms, that sort of thing as they await their fate? >> today, we've been able to make that work. in all honesty, we don't believe it's going to be sustainable. our pantries are starting to run low at this point. the amenities we provided, they were additionally supplemented by the city of el paso. we have hand washed stations out there. we have charging stations as well. they can keep their cell phones up and running. literally, though, we've gone from three meals a day down to two. we've been able to do that with support from the community. our local food bank along with the red cross, they came into town approximately one week ago. they have their nutritional needs met.

it's not necessarily a prepared meal. we are going to continue to move forward as long as we can. we do have significant questions as to how long we can keep this up. >> what are you worried about come thursday? >> well, we think the numbers are going to increase even more. i have heard many numbers, depending upon what source i am referring to, from 20,000 to 40,000 individuals who are living on the streets. we can see -- in turn, they are going to start moving forward. in all honesty, this particular russia, if you want to refer to it as such, caught me by surprise. we were in process of preparing for the lifting of title 42. we didn't anticipate that it was going to hit us two weeks early. >> john martin, we thank you for the work you are doing down there. thank you for joining us. all right, everybody, thousands of protesters jumped on to new york city subway tracks on saturday, temporarily shutting down services.

they demonstrated against the killing of 30 year old jordan nearly, an unhoused black man who was choked to death monday by a white passenger. that man, 24-year-old daniel perry, was questioned by police and let go. his lawyer released the statement which reads, in part, he never intended to harm him and could not have foreseen his untimely death. we hope that out of this awful tragedy will come a new commitment by our elected officials to address the mental health crisis on our streets and subways. joining me now is a distinguished university professor at princeton university. it's fantastic to talk to you. give me your reaction to what took place on that subway. we've seen some video come out. we don't know what happened in the lead up to the chokehold, right? we do know, though, the death was ruled a homicide. penny was not, in fact,

charged. >> yeah, what we do know as well is that from my vantage point there was nothing that jordan milley did that warranted his death. what you see here, i think, is this overall feeling that the justice system simply dehumanizes, devalues particular bodies. their lives have been devalued and subsequently taken away. it is horrifying, yasmin, horrifying on every level. >> it is. >> think about how the system failed in the situation. this individual was unhoused. he was dealing with a mental health crisis. we know that. we have heard reports of the death of his mother. since then, he felt as if he

was unable to do anything about it. he has been in a mental health crisis. no one was able to help him out of that. you have what took place on the subway. we don't know what happened in the lead up to those actions. i have been on subways in which there are people that feel threatening. i'll leave the subway immediately if i'm with my kids. i make sure they don't make eye contact, they don't point, that sort of thing. i understand how people could feel under threat. >> we don't need to make jordan neely a saint. we can deal with our own sense of being afraid. we can deal with our sense of discomfort. we can admit all of that. we also have to admit that none of that warrants the death. it's precisely our willingness

to be so comfortable with the execution of another human being, with the death of another human being. you want to be safe. you can leave the subway. you can move from the cars. we go to another car. nothing about that warrants the death of that young man. that is what we have to -- i mean, that is what we have to admit. >> help me out with what we are doing today. we are talking about what is happening on the subway, we are talking about what took place in texas yesterday. we are seeing what took place in texas today, right? seven people lost their lives because someone drove their car into a group of migrants. into a group of migrants we don't know exactly the motivation there. it is a tough time right now in this country. there is real anger and aggression. >> there is a generalized state

of fear and paranoia. there is a generalized state of fear and paranoia. that combines with being awash with guns, combines with politicians who are exploiting our fears and grievances and hatreds. it feels as if the nation has become unhinged. there is a kind of madness at the heart of who we are. you add to that vigilantism, right? we have already been debating whether or not police are using legitimate force when it comes to particular communities. you are taking the states of fear and paranoia and you are adding guns, open carry state and the like. people are just acting, shooting, and killing. what you get is this sense of madness that is overwhelming the country. what is so fundamentally upsetting is not the fact that people are engaging in this, it is those of us who sit around and let it happen. those of us who are waiting for it to happen in our

neighborhoods. i have been saying it over and over again. there should be a general strike when it comes to ar-15s. think about the people set on that subway. watch that man choked for 15 minutes. think about the neighbors who would not help that young man who was shot. put your hands up. we have created monsters, it seems to me. they are allowing this to happen. there is a generalized state of fear and paranoia. we have to make a moral choice. what kind of society are we going to live in? we are going to have to fight for it. >> my friend, thank you. we are getting some breaking news, everybody, on that suspected shooter. nbc news is just learning that he interacted with white supremacy is content online. that's according to two senior law enforcement officials. one of them says the suspect

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intelligence officials have been sounding the alarm about artificial intelligence. and now a new concerns from a.i. pioneer, who says disturbing problems could be just around the corner. nbc's jacob ward has more. >> you've seen the movies. humans build robots, robots rebel. >> it all goes bad. >> this mission is too important for me to willing to

jeopardize it. it's already, in these early days of a.i. chatbots, we've seen some weird behavior from tech like chatgpt. >> and i didn't have to be sentient to be scary. >> the first release of the eye chatbot, trying to convince in new york times reportedly if his wife. >> it said, you're married but you're not happy. and you're not happy because you're not with me. >> and now an early a.i. pioneer has retired from google and speaking out about it. >> i want to be able to talk about what i thought were the problems. >> it's what comes after chatgpt that has jeffrey hinton worried. >> chatgpt knows much more than anybody knows. it's not yet very good at reasoning. but that will change. there's a small chance could get smarter than us in the next five years or so. it is much larger chance will get smarter than us annexed 20 years. >> already, companies like ivm are announcing plans to slow hiring for positions that a.i. could replace. and intelligence officials have

been sounding the alarm about a.i. dangers, like super charging misinformation campaigns. >> democracies with open information fireman's are the most vulnerable. >> some argue the worry is overblown. >> of course powerful technologies have risks. the alarm that i'm more skeptical of is a.i. taking over the world. >> and frankly, there is no data to support that. >> but even as tech leaders like google's former ceo praised the possibilities -- >> getting better materials, solving climate change, managing our energy systems better. >> he says companies need to get better about seeing the threats early. if left to our own devices are industry well -- i am proud to be one of those people. for the fact of the matter is or should be some limits on what can be done. 15 years ago, as we age were potent of social media and all forms. and i did not see then that it