>> another mass shooting in america, this time in a dallas suburb of allen, texas. and another round of fox and prayers republicans who do not

have the political courage to do anything about guns. congressman colin is a dallas native, he also just announced a run for senate against test ted cruz. he's here for us on the exclusive, and is coming up first. plus what a week to get a talk to jamie raskin? i will ask him about donald trump's open embrace of january six in the wake of more seditious conspiracy charges. meanwhile, stunning revelations about supreme court justice clarence thomas. one of the court's most outspoken critics, senator sheldon whitehouse joins me in just a few minutes. and later, a trip to brooklyn for a conversation with prosecutor turned congressman dan goldman. we talked about his prediction for the investigations into trump, and bringing people to gather with bagels. a little after 3:30 pm local yesterday, i gunman walked into an outlet mall and allen texas

and opened fire. nine people, including the shooter or did. just in the last few minutes, president biden said the man was wearing tactical gear and armed with an ar-15 assault weapon. in texas alone the list of communities impacted by mass gun violence is horrifying. fort hood, sutherland springs, santa fe and el paso, midland, odessa. it was only a year ago this month. the small town of cleveland just nine days ago, and now allen. eight people killed for the crime of going shopping on a saturday afternoon. it is yet another reminder of why many of us don't feel safe with guns everywhere. every time my kids, aged five and seven, walk out the door these days, i am scared to death for their safety, and i know i'm not alone. if you do not feel safe at schools or places of worship, you are not alone either. if you don't feel safe at grocery stores up parades, or

movie theaters, you are not alone. if you don't feel safe at shopping malls you are not alone. and if you are sick of being told that calling for changes politicizing tragedy, you are definitely not alone. the issue here is not about you being outraged or feeling for your own life and loved ones, it is not you calling for change and leaders actually do something. that people politicizing strategy here are not the people calling for change, the people politicizing tragedy are those fighting against change. and unfortunately, texas is a prime example. here's what governor abbott had to say at an nra convention held in texas just days after the shooting in uvalde last year. >> remember this. there are thousands of laws across the country that limit owning, or using a firearm. laws that have not stopped mad men from carrying out evil acts

on innocent people, in peaceful communities. >> so, clearly governor abbott felt pretty good about the gun laws in the state at that time, and boy has he continued to make the and are a proud. texas does not require a person to pass a criminal background check before buying a gun from unlicensed sellers. texas is not require you to obtain a license before carrying a handgun in public, and not to be outdone, greg abbott spells in the united states senate have worked hard to keep the and are in their good graces as well. >> this is not an excuse to infringe the second amendment rights on law-abiding citizens, doing that will do nothing to fix tragedies like this. >> i believe when there's a murder of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it. you see democrats, and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate to solution is to try to restrict constitutional

rights to law-abiding citizens. it doesn't work, it is not effective, it does not prevent crime. >> and guess what? they both have sterling a ratings from the nra to show for it. and yes, they have always had the right words to say to the base. they always have the right talking points, plenty of thoughts and prayers, and calls for outrage citizens not to talk politics, but when families have suffered, when communities are reeling as they are in allen today, refusing to act to protect the people in your state over the fear of the base of support is politicizing tragedy. refusing to support common sense job countermeasures because you fear losing a rating with the nra's politicizing strategy. don't be muzzled by the people who accused of politicizing a mass shooting when you called for change, they want you to be silenced, and they want you to let this slip from the headline so that they can go back to being comfortable instead of

politically courageous. joining me now is congressman -- who represents a district very close to where the shooting happened yesterday, he just announced his run for senate against ted cruz. you were born in dallas, and you're raising a two sons there, fifth generation texan. >> that's right. >> so before i ask about the politics about this, i'm going to ask for your reactions here. >> i'm sorry that i'm joining you under the circumstances. every texan knows that outlet mall. it's a place where you can get good deals it's not a place where you should be worried that a mad man's going to come in and terror as you in your family. i could not agree with you more about being worried about your kids. every time i saw my 14 year old off to school, or goes off of someone else, i worry about him. you know and it bothers him since when he had his diaper on. the feeling that something could happen, it does not have to be this way, our public places do not have to become memorials. that church could just be where your daughter got married, does

not have to be the site of the next mass shooting. this is a policy choice, these are policy choices that are made by the state of texas, and of course, largely blocked in the united states senate, leading with ted cruz. >> now congressman -- represents allen acosta very a district very close to your district. he had this to say last night. >> we are, we are resolute in our commitment to pray for. praying and grieving for the victims of the families, there are many, many people in our community tonight who are hurting, whose lives have been shattered, and who need, and deserve our collective prayers and they have them. >> now, everybody puts forward thoughts and prayers, everyone 's playing for people dominance moment. he did not have any solutions in there. how do you reason with somebody

like that? >> prayer is important, but so is action. we know that there are common sense steps we can take to make sure this does not happen in our country. we are not more violent than other countries, we don't have a more predilection to violence in this country, we have easier access to weapons of war like any more damage in other countries to. that's why we keep having this happen over, and over, and over again. it is a form of mass terror. when you don't feel safe in public, it's also impacting your freedom. this is something that i think we all understand, if you not free to go to the mall or see a movie, or a place of worship, then you have been impacted by this, and that is what we are seeing. every single parent, i think, on monday, tomorrow, it's going to feel something when they drop their kids off at school. they are going to feel that worry. >> i know i do, i know you do. >> i know you do. >> you have been, as you mentioned, a support of major gun safety measures. he supported assault bands,

you've support universal background checks. how do you think these positions will resonate with people of texas, as you are campaigning, and are you going to tout that on the campaign trail? >> the vast, vast majority of texans support universal background checks. i think that is understood, we should start with that. they support the use of red flag laws, i think they understand that. we should work and begin where we know we have common ground. we did, for the first time in 30 years, have some breakthrough last year. we can build all not, and try to move forward. but obviously, this is a tough situation where we have to talk with actually happening, which is that weapons of war should not be in our communities. we are seeing the same types of weapons, used and shooting, after shooting, after shooting. they are not for personal protection, they are not for hunting. >> assault weapons. >> assault weapons. the year what these weapons that only have one purpose, it is too lethal, and we need to have some guardrails on that. >> you have support of an assault weapons ban, you did

not mention that in your summary there. is it still the support for an assault weapons ban something you're gonna talk about? >> i'm a co-sponsor of the legislation, there's no running away from that. we have to talk about, of course though, is what we can get done right now, and what people vote for. that is what i often spend my time on, that is my approach as a legislator. when we continue to say, that is something we need to do, because to me this is a common sense thing. it is a common sense thing. i think most parents understand, i think most folks understand that these weapons have no use in our communities outside of killing too many people in a short amount of time. >> a couple of hours before this shooting, senator chris was attacking you over comments he made five years ago about whether it would be better if the second amendment was never written. he said wow, this guy wants to represent texas. do you want to give more context surrounding those comments and what you are trying to say there? >> they are cherry-picking comments, of course they can try to explain to somebody, that would -- do within the confines to try and find ways to protect

law-abiding gun owners, to make sure that people do you have their rights protected, in a way that is also consistent with protecting our overall freedom, and overall communities. i think that is possible. this is we should stop acting like this is something we can't do, okay? ted cruz can talk about all things we cannot do, how small we are as a country, how small we are as texas, and things should be afraid of. i have a different story, one about things we can do together, i've seen it, i've seen a mother in a community where i would not be sitting here now if we are who tetris thinks we are. >> another challenging policy issue matter is of course immigration. you are running to represent a state that is on the border. how concerned are you about the impact of the lifting of title 42, which is slated to happen this week? and you believe the biden administration has taken the necessary steps to prepare for that? >> my families from the border, from brownsville, that's where my mom and aunt is, spent most members driving down there, even going down to the border

when the hurricane was coming. i understand these communities are under a lot of pressure, and when we see these surges of migrants that we need to have a response to commiserate with that. one thing we would've got along with d.c., with this president or previous presidents, it's treating this as a political issue. now helping these communities to feel fully supported, and so yes, lifting of title 42 is going to bring some additional challenges, but it is partly because we have folks like ted cruz incentive who will allow us to pass any kind of comprehensive integration reform, or reform at all. and that might help us better address dealing with those coming to our border, this is too good of a political issue, jen, that's what it will to deal with this. we've had works before, whether that's in the obama administration, for the george w. bush my former constituent, we have former's, bipartisan, we've we haven't had anything on that since the reagan administration. i think you can do something. >> as you are preparing to

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it should not be happening? i am here to tell you, it is not the time to be an ostrich. despite single-handedly of ending the peaceful transfer of power in 2020, he is leading the republican field by a huge margin. in a brand-new poll out today from the washington post and abc news, trump is more than doubling the support of ron desantis. he is also leading joe biden in a hypothetical general election matchup by seven points. and this is not happening because he changed his tune, he is actually doubling down, he has been playing a video of insurrectionists singing the national anthem at his campaign events. and on friday, he claimed that the doj, and the fbi are destroying the lives of so many great american patriots. just in case you are wondering exactly who trump was referring to, his post came just one day after four members of the far-right nationalist group the proud boys were convicted of seditious conspiracy for their role in january 6th. but trump's attacks on law

enforcement also appear to have a more personal motive, given his own criminal exposure. this with the new york times reported on new subpoenas, and new cooperation in the special counsel's probe into trump's alleged efforts to hide classified documents of mar-a-lago, and then on friday we learned that at least eight of these bogus electors in georgia have received immunity deals in the election probe down there. so we have intensifying investigations on the documents of mar-a-lago in the election in georgia, we have trump embracing an insurrection that just produced more seditious conspiracy charges, and that he himself is under investigation for it. and then yeah, he's already been indicted ones. none of this is normal, but the chances of a second term are as real as ever. joining me now is congressman jamie raskin, he is the lead impeachment manager for donald trump's second impeachment trial, and also served on the house select committee investigating january 6th. thank you so much for joining me here this morning, you spent

much of, more than a year i should say, trying to build a case against trump for his role in the insurrection. union colleagues studies trump closely, you spoke to people who knew him, and worked with him. our democracy barely survived the first trump term, can our institutions withstand another one? >> thank you for having me jen. we survived because of the strength and resiliency of the capitol officers and the political leaders who insisted that we go back in and count the electoral college votes. everybody, all americans across the political system, republicans and democrats who rejected trump's attempts to impose a coup in the 2020 election, like secretary of state raffensperger in georgia said he was not just going to go ahead and find thousands of votes that did not exist for trump. so there were a lot of people who stood up. the problem now is that trump

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taking over democratic cities and imposing his own law enforcement agenda. and we know what kind of corruption, and anti-democratic lucy is capable of. so we are in the fight of our lives again, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. and so, every buddy in america who wants to stand up for constitutional democracy and freedom must recognize this as a moment of maximum emergency. now the good news, jen, is a vast majority of americans reject what donald trump and the republican party is now selling. the problem is that they have every anti-democratic trick in the book, beginning with the gerrymandering of congressional districts, the hijacking of the supreme court by preventing people like the current attorney general from even getting a hearing, when he was nominated when merrick garland was chief of the d.c. circuit. we see it in the suppression of

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which is what seditious conspiracy means, it is not a defense to say somebody else told me to do it, or somebody else was involved in the conspiracy. trump could very much have been part of the proud boys, or the oath keepers conspiracy, or he might have been involved in an overlapping concentric ring conspiracy with those conspiracies. so we don't have a system of justice, i hope as i have said in the january 6th hearings, we are the footsoldiers, and the ringleaders down below go to jail, and the ringleaders above get every pass. and they get to continue their insurrectionist assault on democratic institutions. so, you know, we've seen a lot of justice take place here, and our justice has been doing an excellent job. more than 1000 arrests, hundreds of convictions have taken place, more than a dozen people have been convicted of seditious conspiracy, completely refuting those who said we'll how can this be an

insurrection if nobody was trying to overthrow the government? well, now they have their answer. more than a dozen people have been convicted of that, and donald trump of course, was impeached by 242 vote margin in the house for inciting insurrection against the union, and 57 of the 100 senators agreed that he had incited an insurrection against the union. we did not reach the magic two thirds number to convict the president, and yet we have a robust concurrent majorities of both houses of congress declaring that that is precisely what he did as a matter of constitutional of fact. >> there is also a big debt ceiling fight going on, congressman. we are days close to a default, president biden's meeting if you could kevin mccarthy. but it does not seem that republicans are budging, there is some debate, as you know of whether or not the president can evoke the 14th image rig the ceiling of the debt on his own. as a constitutional lawyer, do

you think he has an authority, and is it something he should do? >> i think he has the authority under the circumstances absolutely, because the congress has put him in a constitutionally on tenable position. section four of the 14th amendment says that the validity of their a public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. so if congress votes to spend all of this money, and it's only congress that can do it and, inappropriate all of this money, and yet does not allow the debt limit to go up. at that point the president is looking at either not abiding by the spending bills that congress has passed, and not meeting the rightful demands of social security recipients, and bond holders, people who are owed money by the united states. or he's looking at not abiding by the debt limit, he's not going to be able to respect one set of laws or the other, in

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true, and brushing it off as something friends do. first of all, this friendship started after clarence thomas was already confirmed to the supreme court, he was a supreme court justice already, and harlan crow gave him a ride on his private plane. i don't know about you, but i can't say i know many people who pay for their family vacations totaling half 1 million dollars, but okay. and then there was conservative activists letter leo's response in the washington post that he directed under the table payments to thomas is with ginni thomas, emphasizing that the paperwork should have no mention of ginni of course. of course! leo did not deny the story, telling the host knowing how disrespectful, militias, and gossipy people can be, i have always tried to protect the privacy of justice thomas and ginni. sham on all of you all that for gossiping about shady payments to the wife of a supreme court justice, outrageous.

there were the responses to the report that crow made upwards of $100,000 for the private school tuition of thomas's grand nephew who the couple were raising as us on. now, it is not like thomas did not know he was supposed to disclose this sort of thing. just a few years earlier he did disclose a 5000-dollar gift for his grandnephews education. maybe it's just that $100,000 is harder to explain? so we figured, don't disclose it at all. crow even confirm he paid the tuition saying quote, he has long been passionate about the importance of quality education, and giving back to those less fortunate. again, very generous. sounds philanthropic, and i'm sure that it was out of the goodness of his heart, and just by coincidence that one of the families benefiting is none other than supreme court justice clarence thomas and his wife. the term gets thrown a lot, but this is the definition of

gaslighting, they are trying to gaslight you. and cases any doubt in your mind, you are not crazy for thinking this is all insane. what is crazy is the idea that this is what friends do, and this is totally normal for a supreme court justice, and how dare you invade thomas's privacy by asking questions? despite all that nothing to see here, it is not normal for a government official and his family to receive gifts and payments like this. it is even less normal to receive gifts and payments like this and not disclose any of it, i would know. at the white house there were strict rules on what officials could and could not accept. in congress, members are generally prohibited from taking gifts more than $50. and to anyone not a mathematician out there, $50 is significantly less than super yacht vacations, plus private jets, plus rides on them, plus a new house for his mom, plus tuition payments, plus whatever else we might not even know

about yet. this all brings us to a bigger problem, there is no mechanism to enforce any ethical standards at the supreme court, there is no accountability. and the silence from the court can only lead us to one conclusion, that they are just fine with the status quo. but that could change if senator sheldon whitehouse has anything to say about it. he has proposed legislation that would put in place greater disclosure requirements, and an actual code of ethics for the highest court in the land. go figure. he joins me next. texas >> that to custody. it's unclear whether the crash was intentional. senior law enforcement officials telling nbc news that shooter in allen, texas, who killed eight people at a mall interacted with neo-nazi and white supremacy is content online. officials also say he was dressed in a tactical vest, had

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subject of investigation. that question was referred to the financial disclosure committee of the judicial conference, and it's not at all clear what happened to it back in 2011. and that matters a lot because this matter has got referred to the same committee. so it is a matter both of oversight of this time, an inquiry into what happened last time. the second thing is to look at the array of groups, and individuals around these gifts, the billiard millionaire funded apparatus, behind these payments to try to pull together a better understanding of what was the mechanism, and what was the motive of directing these payments to justice thomas. >> now obviously the chief justice declined to appear, but are you considering calling harlan crow or leonard leo to testify? >> we are supported not only in the judiciary community, but also the finance committee

where i also sit. -- has asked harlan crow for tax information. there's a tax limit, $17,000 of what you can give to somebody without paying a gift tax on it, these were gifts much bigger than $17, 000, it is not cleared if they give tax was paid. there are a number of issues around this that we are going to be pursuing, including tax declines, misuse of five on three c one for organizations, and even potentially fraud for instance if there were no services rendered by mrs. thomas for the 25,000 dollar payment that leonard leo directed. >> maybe you are not there yet, but do you want to come so you can ask them questions, appear before the committee? >> ultimately yes, but as you know from your own experience, as you are building to wards investigating, and inquiring of primary witnesses, build the case for us, get the records together, be familiar with the

doctors and see what those witnesses have to say. what they the day in court is the one that you are prepared for when the key witnesses finally subject to inquiries. >> now, it may be that you're working with the finance committee on this as you just referred to since you are on that committee but, given senator van stein absence, you don't currently have subpoena power in the judiciary subcommittee as i understand it? are you considering working with other subcommittees like senator blumenthal standing committee on investigations, for example, in order to compel, then to testify, or get more information from them? or do you feel you have that power you need from the finance committee? >> i think we have the power that we need, i think that for a lot of folks a request from a congressional committee is enough to provoke a response, and, obviously president trump kind of broke that convention by requiring subpoenas and then fighting them for everything, but not everybody behaves this

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bringing -- this weekend a met up with congressman goldman where he was pulling the first bagel caucus in his district. obviously there is a lot of news to ask him about, we asked him of the special counsel investigation surrounding the former president, and the possible indictments that may come next. as lead majority counsel during donald trump's first impeachment in 2019, he has a unique expected, given that he is one of a handful of people who have ever actually tried to prosecute trump. here's part of our conversation. >> before you're a congressman you serve that democratic counsel for trumps impeachment. i, like many americans, just have this visual of you very seriously holding up your hand which was appropriate for the role you were playing. and you have spent a lot of time, i think, studying the man. what do you think people don't understand about him? >> i think people understand a lot about him at this point. i think the problem is we, as

on the one side, i think that and recognize that he does not think the rules apply to him, not he is really only invested in his personal interest. i think that was encapsulated so well by alan garcia what's in the senate trial. when dershowitz made the argument that whatever the president believes is in the national interest, which is an absurd statement of course. >> yes. >> and so what i think we fail to understand on the democratic side is the degree to which people connect with his victimhood. donald trump makes himself out to be the victim all the time. >> his supporters. >> his supporters. there is a little bit of a cult following that he has developed surrounding his creation of himself as the victim, and that is part of the reason why he attacks all of our democratic

foundations, why he tries to undermine the fbi, the intelligence community, the executive branch, everybody, in his mind, is out to get him. and his supporters believe that. and so when you see an indictment of him, he's on trial for rape, when there are other criminal investigations going on, he is able to turn that around to his supporters to say, see? they all out to get me. we have to figure out a way to break that logjam because he's a true danger to our democracy, but you are way of life. >> how do you feel about the pace of what has been happening in the justice department? >> so the justice department made a decision right after january 6th that there was a violent insurrection, and they needed to focus on prosecuting everyone involved in that insurrection. and they have done a really good job of dismantling the proud boys, dismantling the

oath keepers, and these other domestic violence extremists grouped. i would add that i think that part of that effort prevented donald trump from being able to incite the same kind of rally. >> focusing on the oath keepers and the january 6th insurrectionists first? >> well, trump wanted that same kind of january 6th protest against alvin bragg, but it did not materialize. i think we do have to give the department of justice some credit for dismantling these violent extremists because they were the ones who did january 6th, they were not available for donald trump. >> do you think that's because they took action quickly on those individuals, went after them, and made clear they would be held accountable for that action? >> i think a, there is an organizational structure to create a replica of january 6th, but also yes, i think there is a deterrent effect. but the ultimate effect of focusing on those nearly

thousand people who've been in the crosshairs, or being charged by the department of justice, is they delayed investigating the conspiracy to overturn the election. the lead up to january 6th that culminated with january 6th. and i think they would argue it's partly a resource issue, especially because there was no budget, they were operating on a continuing resolution so they did not have extra money, they could not devote to this. but i do think that the unfortunate consequence of focusing unofficially on the violent extremists is that it delayed the needed, an important investigation of trump and his associates related to january six. but it is clear that the special counsel is aggressively pursuing that right now, and i think we will have some sort of a resolution to that over the summer. >> my thanks to congressman dan goldman for spending some time with me in brooklyn this week. by the way, i went to his

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big guests we will have on the show next week. new hampshire's republican governor kristen you knew will join me next sunday after donald trump holds a town hall meeting in his home state of new hampshire. i will also get a look at alexis mcgill johnson's recant routine. she is the president and ceo of planned parenthood action fund, at a time when the threat to women's rights and access to an abortion has never been greater. it turns out she also makes time to make a mean chocolate chip cookie. that's all coming up next sunday, right here at 12 pm eastern. that does it for me today. be sure to follow this show on twitter, tiktok and instagram. and stay right where you are because there's much more news coming up here on msnbc. coming up here on msnbc. >> tonight on the mehdi hasan show, only in america tragedy. eight innocent people dead after a mass shooting in texas.