demonstrators protested against food shortages demanding freedom and an end to the dictatorship. police came in and clamped down on the protests and they did so in a very violent manner. it was hard to confirm details what happened, because, listen to this, the internet was shut down on parts of the island. they can just do, apparently, anytime they want to. there are more than 1,000 political prisoners in cuba right now. that wraps up the hour for me, i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on twitter and instagram @jbbalance , thank yoa mitchell picks up. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," new details an an suv rammed a bus stop into

i migrant facility, killing eight people. and in northeast texas, outside of dallas, investigators zero in on the motive for yet another mass shooting. this time at an outlet mall in the town of ral len, texas, where eight people including a child were killed. plus, republicans and democrats are digging in the debt ceiling, ahead of their critical meeting at the white house tomorrow. good day, everyone, i'm andrea michelle in washington. flags are flying at half-staff at the white house after yet another mass shooting in texas, followed bun day later by a horrific act in the same state, leaving 16 people dead from the two incidents. in browns isville, texas, an update just moments ago on the city's police chief on the man facing manslaughter charges after plowing his vehicle into 18 people outside of a migrant shelter. >> the driver of the vehicle

identified as george alves november 9th, 1988, had attempted to flee thee driver o vehicle -- i'm sorry -- george alvarez has an extensive sheet and has been formally charged with manslaughter, ten hounts of assault with a deadly weapon. >> today, the allen, texas, community is grieving eight lives lost. in addition to three other victims still hospitalized in critical condition. law enforcement officials telling nbc news that the crime is now being investigated as a case of racial and ethnically motivated violent extremism and that 33-year-old mauricio garcia posted content online. joining me morgan chesky and ken

dilanian here with me. ken, there's so many questions here today, texas again, and i was watching the news conference, the briefing live saturday night. in allen, texas. and they came out, one after another, the state rep,, the po fire chief, the mayor. and it all came out and said we need to pray. we need prayers. nobody said anything about doing anything about guns. >> no, and that's the political climate, and in texas, a state controlled by republicans, andrea. there are a few voices in the wilderness, mostly democrats, calling for gun control, but they're pretty much drowned out. >> and just the restrictions, red flags, something, morgan, let's talk about allen. let's play what we heard yesterday from a former police and army officer, steven

spanhart, he's a father, his son was there and was in the lockdown. so this father, former police chief, rushed into the scene after hearing from his son. morgan, you interviewed him. let me play some of this. >> it wasn't mental health that killed these people, it was an automatic rifle with bullets. that's what killed them. i'm a former police officer, i'm a former army officer, these m-4s, the ar-15s, they've got to get off the streets. that won't bring these people back. we need action from our legislature at the federal and state level to control. and i'm saying that as somebody who loves guns. >> morgan, i've been watching your reporting all weekend. you talked to this is gentleman, emotionally,helped recover a victim. the parents were dead on top of the child, protecting the child. the child covered in blood. a clearly horrific scene.

>> reporter: yeah, andrea, absolutely, the accounts from witnesses on the inside of the mall, who witnessed the first gunshots equally chilling as to steven spainhouer, his son made a phone call from inside the h&m store saying dad, there's an active shooter, i'm hiding in the back, barricaded a door. he said what do i do now? he said you're doing the right thing, son. i'm on my way. he told me when he called up, didn't see any police cars he realized that he essentially saw a first responder in that moment. he was one of the first to witness the aftermath as he tried to render aid to some of these victims. i'd like to you hear what he had to say in his own words. >> i went to the first person i found crouching in the bushes. looked like she was praying. . and felt for a pulse.

there was no pulse. so, i pulled her head up to look at her face. and in the face -- i looked down, the only photo i took was a bullet, a live round next to a dead body. i hope nobody ever has to see a live round from a high capacity rifle next to a dead body in a mall in this country again. >> reporter: and, andrea, you hear that account from that father whose son was inside a store, hiding for his life. and you add that to the other stories we've heard, the mother, i spoke to on saturday, who put her two daughters in a bathroom then drew her concealed carry weapon, for which she did have a permit for, standing guard outside that door until the police gave the all-clear, she shared as she ushered her two young daughters from this complex behind me, she tried to shield their eyes to not see the bodies and blood on thewalk

here. >> morgan, i saw that interview as well, those two girls were clearly in shock as was the mom. it was just incredible. full credit to you for all of this wonderful reporting and the way you've handled it, morgan. and, ken, there's just so much questions about the suspect in brownsville now. we didn't marry as much as we would expect by now of the investigation, as to the motivation. >> so, brownsville police say they don't have a motive. they did identify the suspect as 34-year-old george alvarez. they say he has a long rapp sheet including assault with a deadly weapon and drunk driving. that they drived the suv running a red light and losing control and going into 18 people. at that bus stop. but they also said they can't rule out this was an intentional act. our own gabe gutierrez said that

there was an incident that the driver was yelling anti-racial rhetoric. they also can't say whether this person was intoxicated. they did intoxology, and haven't gotten it out. >> ken dilanian, and morgan chesky, thank you for working on these tragedies. joining me is congressman gonzalez who represents brownsville has part of the 34th you district. congressman, first of all, our condolences. i don't know how communities get through this. you've been through so much already with title 42 and the stresses on your community. tell us the latest in your investigation, as far as you know? >> thank you, obviously this is a struggle for the community. and the community's hearts and prayers are with the families of migrants that are lost in this tragic accident. we have, as you heard earlier, there's no confirmation that this was an intentional act. but certainly, it was a tragic

accident, that took eight lives, at least eight lives, injured ten others. at the minimum, we'd note it was obviously a disturbed individual with a lot of criminal history. we are waiting for toxicology reports to see what his state of mind was at the time of the accident and we're going to let law enforcement do their investigation. they've done a very good job to now, first responders did a great job, appearing very fast and doing a very professional job and taking care of the injured and the deceased. and law enforcement taking the defendant into custody. and this is right in the middle of the preparation, obviously, on the border, the lifting of title 42. so there's a lot of activity in the region. and this just added -- adds, obviously, a lot of stress to us. we also have the governor doing these inspections on 18-wheelers

that are coming across on our commercial lanes. so, to say the least, the community has been very busy in dealing with the adjustments we have coming here and coming days. >> are you concerned about other incidents there as we approach the may 11th lifting of title 42? >> i am. i'm very concerned that we don't have enough infrastructure until place to help us across the border. i hope that we've gotten the preparation that we had secretary mayorkas here with some plans in place. i know, hopefully, migrants will start being much more active in their app that they can use to be able do get appointments on the bridge. to be able to claim asylum. i've also optimistic about these in-country asylum processing centers the administration has been talking about in guatemala and colombia, that will take a lot of pressure off our border. i've been pushing the safe zone bill, asking for regional

processing centers so people don't have to walk 1500 miles to our border. and don't have to pay thousands of dollars to cartels to bring them to our southern border. and they can do it from a safer place. we process them, it can be thousands of miles from our border. and if we're going to ultimately let them in the country under the critical fear standard which means now, we should do it from there and let them get to their final destination in a safe early and more efficient way it would certainly take the pressure all of our border and be a much more humane and orderly process than what we're experiencing now on the southern border. >> and regarding what happened now in texas, and before that, just a week -- a little more than a week ago, that terrible shooting of the family also in texas, what has been the governor, and, you know, the affect of his leadership in all of this? >> yeah, that's certainly an issue. it's been a complication.

i understand he's going to be visiting allen, texas. i don't know how he's going to explain this one away. as the gentleman earlier, i am a gun lover myself, i grew up hunting and fishing. but we do need to have laws in place that prevent criminals and people, such as this person that committed this awful act in allen, texas, being able to have ars and dangerous weapons in their hands. and we have a long way to go in the federal legislature. and certainly in state legislature across our country. >> congressman vicente gonzalez, thank you very much do for being with us. >> thank you. the battle lines are gone on both sides refusing to bump on tomorrow's debt ceiling limit. as the nation stares down the reality of default. that's next as "andrea mitchell reports" is back in just 60 seconds. stay with us right here on msnbc.

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senate republicans are lining up behind speaker mccarthy demanding spending cuts from president biden in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. nearly all senate republicans backing the speaker ahead of tomorrow's meeting with congressional leaders and the president. 43 senators signing that letter. just by having raised the debt ceiling three times under president trump without any spending cuts. the treasury secretary renewed her dire warnings over the default over the weekend. >> a projection is that in early june, a day will come when we're unable to pay our bills unless congress raises the debt ceiling. and it's something i strongly urge congress to do. it's widely agreed that financial and economic chaos would ensue. >> joining us now, "the new york times" chief correspondent peter baker, former governor and congressman john kasich who also

ran for president and former congressional budget office doug holtz eakin, president of the conservative think tank, american action reform. peter, the president said he's not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling with the speaker. not saying no for now using the 14th amendment to avoid default. i notice that lawrence trooib, the constitutional scholarer at harvard has an op-ed in the paper saying he's changed his mind saying the 14th amendment should be raised as the big issue which is not what he thought a couple years ago when this was being widely debated. do you think the white house is considering the 14th amendment? >> well, i think you hurled the president of the united states tell our colleague stephanie ruhle just last week that he hasn't gotten there yet. he used the word "yet" i think that's important to remember. when you use that word, suggests he might get there at some point. what he's signaling to republicans i have an option here and i may yet pull that

option to get out of this box that you're trying to put me in. he's not saying he's going to do it. he's not promising he's even considering it but hinting in a way that's meant to influence negotiations going forward. >> governor kasich, you've seen this movie before as a congressman under president clinton. the deficit only grown since then, by a lot, more than four times with the 2017 tax cut. so, they're theyle going to kick the can down the road? can they, short-term extension? what is your bet here? >> well, remember, andrea, i was chairman of the budget committee when we entered into negotiations with bill clinton and ended up with a balanced budget and surpluses and paying down debt. people can't believe that's true. they think i'm talking about some fantasy, but we actually did. i don't think it's unreasonable. i think it's very reasonable, for republicans to say, look, we'll increase the debt ceiling, but we got to have something that begins to control spending. i understand they didn't do it before. they all like to spend.

the democrats like to spend, the republicans love to spend. it's just that the republicans tend to feel guilty. at the end of the day, the debt is exploding it's a threat to economic growth, it's a threat to our children's future. and reasonable steps to try to get this spending under control i think is fair-minded. you know, freezes and all of these other things where there's no specificity, i don't buy that. saying we're not going to spend the unspent covid money makes some sense. there's other things we can do. but let's signal to the american people, let's signal to the people involved with this economy is really all of us, look, we need to understand changes have to come. and this is the first step. then we can do a lot more later. >> and i understand, doug, if you could weigh in here, that eventually, there's going to have to be some budget cuts. and i totally understand that position. but to demand that the president give up things like the ira and

other bills that he fought so hard for, for months and months, that seems beyond the pale, to ask him to roll back his legislative agenda? >> well, the house has passed a bill that's clearly not going to pass the senate. the white house has a position that's clearly not going to pass the senate. so it's time for everybody to give a little bit and get a bipartisan piece of legislation that gets 60 votes in the senate, 218 in the house, and the president can sign it. we do have to raise the debt limit. the governor is right about the state of the nation's finances. they're really abysmal. that's not all to get done this year. they have to be able to say yes on something that acknowledges the problem and does a little bit and raises the debt limit. that's the nature of politics fm they have to pass legislation, it won't make everyone happy but it can get done. >> i'm reminded, peter, something that happened in 2011 when they got downrated by

standard and poors, the dollars would be bigger and impact on interest rates would be bigger. and it doesn't to happen june 1st. that's the argument that people are making. it could happen amp tuesday's meeting if the meeting happens in disarray, the markets could crash and cost a lot of money. >> yeah, the question is whether the cliff is scary. like before, people blanked and said we don't want to go over that cliff. but there is a sense in washington, at least among some people, oh, yeah, some way or another, we'll figure out a way around it. maybe with president biden arguing with the 14th amendment he doesn't actually have to follow the amendment. and maybe some will pass a stopgap and someone will blink. there's not much of a fear factor in washington about that cliff about what it adds up to.

were there consequences to it? yes, there were, but the world didn't seem to end but certainly there's some small part of the congress that's looking and saying we can go and roll up to that cliff and it may not be the worst thing in the world. the question is whether that feels the same at the beginning of may as at the end of the may. 93 won't actually get serious until the last hours and days before the june 1 deadline, if that's the deadline. >> governor kasich, there's been a notable silence from the business community, chamber of commerce, big business, not speaking out about the debt ceiling and how dangerous this can be. are they that afraid of speaker mccarthy and the republicans? or want budget cuts? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, look, you cannot cope and get constant defaulting. it makes no sense. it will hurt the country. it will hurt the people. i can't tell you why the chamber isn't saying anything.

but there are a number of groups out there now that are voicing concern about the magnitude of this debt. now, san l andrea, here's the thing, we're not talking cuts, really, people want to say cuts, we should be talking reforms. taking an outdated, old bureaucracy, and figuring out how to breathe new life in it by making changes that make sense. and if you do that, and that's exactly what we were doing in the '90s, that's exactly what i was doing as governor, you get yourself in a position where you think a little differently. and then ultimately, with the entitlements, particularly with medicare and social security, people in the country really don't understand through system works. i've recommended to some people that they create a commission, maybe made up of some politicians and some people who are out here in the real world and start letting people know about the consequences of ignoring it. but we can't ignore these things over time. it makes it more difficult later if we don't begin to do some things now.

>> governor kasich, thank you so much. peter n, thanks to all. >> the closing arguments a civil rape and defamation trial against former president trump. the president decided not to testify. they gave one last chance, that offer expired at 5:00 p.m. last night with no indication from trump's legal team. however, the jury did hear pushes from the taped deposition, including this reference about attacking women without their permission on that access hollywood" tape. >> when you're a star you can do it, you can do anything, grab them by the [ bleep ] -- that's what you said, right? >> historically, that's true with stars. >> that's true with stars that they can grab women by the [ bleep ] -- >> over the last years, it's

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texas governor greg abbott announcing a new so-called border force, to block migrants from entering the country. this as migrant crossings is expected to double after covid restrictions are lifted on thursday. nbc's julia ansley questioned the secretary at the border. >> i'm not worried about title

42 lifting. fundamentally, though, i've made this point many atime, and i can't make it too often. fundamentally, we're working with a broken system. >> is our border secure? >> our border is secure? >> what would you say to those images when you see migrants coming across and saying it's the fault of the biden administration? >> what i will say, that is a picture that is not new to united states of america. >> joining meow, julia ansley. and secretary mayorkas says that the border is secure. but a sheriff in hidalgo told you it is not. >> yeah, i spoke to the sheriff in high hidadalgo.

he's saying border patrol is able to process people and moving them out quickly. but when you look at places like el paso, migrants unable to find shelter. many of them are venezuelan, unlike south americans that we saw crossing previously. and they have no place to stay. of course, the title 42 lifting, they're worried that can get a lot worse. >> absolutely. but it was imposed title 42, before it was imposed, now, with sending national guard migrants blocked from entering the u.s.? >> yeah, so, we opposed title 42 because it provided no access to asylum, zero. so we're not obviously opposed to a more efficient asylum

system, but that requires systems but we cannot provide access for people because people are in danger. people talking about title 42 lifted there may very well be a surge in recent weeks because the border has been largely closed for a long time so there could potentially be a national surge. but well need to look at long-temple solutions. and i think what's unfortunately happening the biden administration is waiting until the last minute each time and then putting in place policies that deny access to asylum, rather than working on longer term fixes to the asylum system providing with additional immigration judges. what we're today, when title 42 is lifted, they're going to put in additional policies taken right from the trump playbook. and that's unfortunate, and if they do, we'll be right in back. because those policies did not access asylum. no one is saying that everyone

is entitled to remain in the country, but we need to give fair hearings to people. that's what we said after world war ii, we would never send people back without hearings. we need to sort through who is entitled to asylum and who is not in a fair process. >> why aren't they moved through with regional processing centers in the country that people have talked about? would that be one solution? >> well, i think there are -- all of those additional legal pathways are helpful. and we would like additional legal pathways. but the one thing they can't do is make those substitute for access at the border for desperate people who have no way of getting through additional legal pathway. some of the legal pathways the biden administration has put out, as we said, the regional processing centers are not set up. why they haven't been set up, why they're only being focused on now, i don't know. they've talked about an app that people can use. but i was just at the border as

well. that app doesn't work very well. it's arbitrary who gets it. there's a limited number of appointments. so, we really need to have a serious conversation about this, and not just react to the political moment. i unfortunately feel like the biden administration is playing politics about this issue or being scared about the politics, and needs to work on a system. they put out a rule that was at least a starting point and then just completely abandoned it a few months ago, in favor of what they're claiming is going to be a transit ban. we went to court with the transit ban, trial transit ban, but the biden administration said they wouldn't go forward with something like that. now, here they are, promising to put it in place on thursday as title 42 is lifted. i think we need to have serious policy proposals and not just react to the politics at the very last minute. >> julia, i heard in one of the stories community workers, ngos down there saying why not send in 1500 social workers, instead

of the military, the active duty military? they're not going to be there for law enforcement. they're not carrying guns. why not have more social workers and more hhs people? >> that's certainly a big question posed here. i will say that the biden administration has put in more phone booths. it's in defense of that policy, one of the answers to that question, now you're going into a center, you can quickly talk to an asylum officer and legal officer who can work on the case. it's a pretty high bar that they're able to stay. it's not like they used to claim asylum and very quickly they don't meet those bars, they're going to deport them too quickly. that's what 42 lifts. >> that's not going to go down easily at the border. thank you very much. julia and lee. up in the air, what the white house is doing to try to make air travel easier. this is "andrea mitchell reports." stay with us on msnbc. ix protec.

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today, the white house is announcing new proposals to expand airline passengers' rights as the summer travel season is just about to begin. the plan could compensate passengers for kansalicses or significant delays within the airline's control, requiring the airlines to be held accountable for food, lodging or others when passengers are inconvenienced.

nbc's john costello flies more than us. >> not longer than you. longer distances. >> maybe longer distances but you've been on the road all the time. tom, you've had this experience yourself, when you're delayed. how does this work? weather would not apply? >> right. >> but if the airlines schedule you or gets messed up. >> under this proposal, the biden administration will roll this proposal out within an hour or two. what they're saying if it's within the airline's control that they delay you or cancel their flight and it's there problem, then you're due compensation. cash compensation. yes, also a voucher for food. and maybe a hotel. the bottom line here is how much, of course, right? that will probably be on scale if you're talking about a short delay, i would imagine you're not going to get a whole heck of a lot. i think we're talking three

hours or more, we'll get the details later. you're right, if it's an act of god, a snowstorm or weather, no, you're not getting money for that, that's not their problem. but if they haven't staffed properly for the flight. if they got a mechanical issue, they haven't unloaded the bags, there's a series of issues, then, you would be due money, at least to what biden administration is proposing. >> is this for travelers in europe? >> is it does, under eu law you can get money back. here's an example. i flew from oslo to copenhagen to washington. my oslo to copenhagen leg i was delayed. 45 minutes, not a big deal. and i still made my connection, copenhagen to d.c. but because of that delay, i got an email saying under eu law you're entitled compensation up to 600 euros depending on your situation. i didn't apply for it, i wasn't

inconvenienced. i made my flight. and i don't think they would have given me 600 euros. the point is they're trying to hold airlines accountable if they've got skin in the game and delay you or cause you inconvenience, they should pay up. the flip side argument if they have to pay out anybody that is delayed or cancelled. what's that going to do to airfares? in theory, up, up, up. >> somebody's going to pay it. but it pertains to those situations where you miss the last connection and you're stuck overnight. >> well, listen, obviously, you're stuck at airports, ander oh, by the way, there's no hotel that has a room for you, yeah, they should probably pay up for that. i think we'll have to see the details and they'll be in the fine print. as you know, this is washington, nothing happening quickly here, it's a slow roll. we hear from all sides including the airlines and airlines aren't going to like this and stakeholders and decide this is action before it becomes a rule.

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just over the weekend, there were mass shootings in frostburg, maryland, newark, new jersey, st. louis, missouri, chico, california, columbus, ohio, and of course, allen, texas. basically, a gun violence archives which includes any shooting with at least four victims not including the shooter. the archive counts 200 mass shootings so far in the year. joining me state university school of law enforcement and criminal justice and coauthor of the violence project, how to stop a mass shooting epidemic. and chris brown, president of bread united organization focused on preventing gun violence. chris, i've been involved with brady since jim brady and sarah brady, for whom this wonderful organization was named. >> right. >> now we're talking about handgun violence. >> right. >> now, we're talking more

weapons, ak-47s, mass shootings. how do you not be dismayed just by the lack of public accountability for all of this? >> i think that's a great question because that's really what it is, andrea, it's lack of public accountability. and it is dismay. there's no way not to be dismayed by it, as you noted, we have 200 plus mass shootings this year, it's hard to be an american watching the news and hearing the latest report of people shopping. talking to their neighbors about guns, going to the doctor. this isn't freedom's safest place agency the national rifle association like to say. and i think across america, i've been traveling a lot, americans are hugely fatigued. and what they want is action. they want action. and we've got some from the federal level, so i don't want to be hopeless about this. but we really have to make the issue of gun violence a top

priority issue at the ballot box. and also recognize it's a public health epidemic. it's on all of us, especially gun owners. >> james, is it becoming normalized? is it we becoming insensitive to this? >> it's a mat shooting that we get out and hope that we're not being there and we need to be laser focused on it and do something about it. what's striking about the numbers you shared at the top of this piece, every other country in the world has social media. every other country in the world has mental health challenges. every other country in the world has, you know, issues with their health care system, and so on. but in those other countries they do not see the level of gun violence that we see,

particularly mass shootings that we do like in the united states. it has to get a to point where we have to have a serious conversation about how easy it is for some people to get access to a firearm in this country should shouldn't have one. case in point, the individual who perpetrated the allen, texas shooting just this weekend was a certified armed security guard. so at which point do you stop being a good guy with a gun and you become the bad guy with the gun? it's becoming harder and harder to differentiate with the two. before you've got policies in place to deal with that unequivocally, it's too easy to get access to these types of weapons. >> kris, chuck schumer has called a caucus meeting of the democrats for thursday to talk about this. we've heard from john cornyn already, and he was a key republican player on the compromise deal last year, that that was it. the red flag laws and those changes were as far as he was

going to go, and there will not be gun legislation this year, especially an election year the prospects are dim. >> prospects potentially are dim for passage. let's be clear you need 60 votes in the senate because of the cloture rule. i think leader schumer appropriately is saying what should we bring to the floor regardless of this? what we know is that the issue of gun violence is a top priority issue for voters across the country. that's red states and blue states. senator cornyn may be saying that that's it. but i think he's also hearing from a lot in his caucus, they don't want to take votes on this. we at brady, we want votes on an assault weapons ban, on ensuring we have reasonable community violence intervention programs, on expanding the brady background check system which

has 94% approval rating. you can't find many things that americans are morale lined on than that. >> james densely, is there a copycat aspect of this? i was thinking of the horrible mass shooting in serbia of all places, which has never experienced this. the serbian president then talked about getting rid of access to guns completely after one shooting, and then another one happened just a few days later. do we have some sort of a copycat function here? >> in our book and in our research we document this idea that mass shooters do study other mass shooters. they quite literally see themselves in the lives of past mass shooters. that can be quite inspiring for some. some are doing this for fame-seeking, notoriety. others, if they're feeling a certain way, they're asking why do i feel that way and how have

others who felt this way dealt with their problems and mass shooting has been their solution. there's also a copycat solution with the use of these ar-15 style assault weapons. to the sense that people are confirming to the genre conventions of what a mass shooting looks like in the united states. that's really terrible to say. but the way in which these weapons are marketed and the way in which they appeal to mass shooters, because of the mass shooters that have used them previously, that contributes to the copycat component. it's both the shootings themselves and the shooters drawing inspiration, but also the tools that are being used that have this copycat component. >> james densely and kris brown, thanks to both of you. danger on the subways, last week's chokehold death on a new york city subway sparking calls for an ex-marine to be charged

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in new york city protests are intensifying over the death of a 30-year-old homeless man who found work as a street performer. jordan neely, in a subway car last week. some protesters calling for the arrest of daniel penny, the 24-year-old ex-marine who restrained neely in a chokehold for at least several minutes. actually it was reportedly much longer. neely reportedly threatened other passengers on board according to 911 calls. in a statement penny's attorney says he was trying to protect himself and other passengers from neely who suffered from mental illness and was described as speaking aggressively. this morning neely's family called the statement a character assassination. the medical examiner ruled the death a homicide, a medical

description we should note does not imply wrongdoing. nbc's george solis joins us now from new york. what can you tell us about the events leading up to that deadly chokehold? >> that's the key component to all of this. investigators are still trying to piece together the timeline of how this went down. as far as jordan neely, we know he experienced trauma at a young age, at the age of 14 witnessing his mother's own murder and found work as a street performer. they said he was a beloved entertainer, michael jackson impersonator. they want to know why charges were not filed after daniel penny put him in the chokehold with the help of two others. they said he was questioned by authorities and released. as you mentioned, that's led to a number of protests throughout the week where you saw protesters clashing with authorities. authorities say 13 people were arrested as a result of those protests. we know more are expected today. another vigil expected to take

place at the subway station where jordan neely lost his life. neely's attorneys putting out a statement in response to that marine veteran's own statement saying he never intended harm. i want you to listen to a quick part. they said it was a character assassination and a clear example of why he believed he was entitled to take jordan's life. in short, his actions on the train and now his words show why he needs to be in prison. andrea, we know this case is likely to be presented to a grand jury here in manhattan, but how soon that timeline moves forward remains to be seen. andrea. >> this has certainly put a focus on the failure of the city to deal with the homeless problem and the mental health issues as well. thank you. that does it for this issue of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online, on facebook and at which time. "chris jansing reports" with yasmin vossoughian starts right now.