dogs. catie beck has the latest. >> reporter: another legal battle is brewing, and behind it alec murdaugh, the wrongful death lawsuit against his long time housekeeper, after she suffered a fall at the murdaugh home. satterfield's attorneys releasing audio recordings and documents tied to the original investigation that alex murdaugh told investigators his dogs were the cause of satterfield's fall. since that time, murdaugh has said he invented the story, that the dogs had nothing to do with it, and perhaps the satterfield family should repay the $3.8 million judgment that they recovered because of that lawsuit. the satterfield's family attorneys had this to say. >> he told the truth then when he gave the judgment, and so for us, all of a sudden now alex the

mode comb of honest, of truth, he doesn't tell you where the money went, the 3.8 million. he doesn't tell you how gloria died, and oh, by the way, everybody is saying let's exhume gloria. >> reporter: alex murdaugh is serving two life sentences for the murder of his wife and son, and facing a hundred other charges related to financial crimes. his attorneys have said they filed a notice to appeal, and they plan to do so in coming months. back to you. >> nbc's catie beck with that reporting. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports", let's get right to it. ♪♪ hey, everybody. at this hour, texas governor greg abbott unveil ago new plan to send military muscle to the southern border just days before the title 42 policy is set to expire.

what the situation looks like right now on the u.s./mexico border ahead of the expected surge. and the driver behind the fatal crash that killed eight people just outside a migrant shelter in brownsville has been charged with eight counts of manslaughter. we're going to bring you the very latest in the investigation behind that deadly crash. also, what we are learning about the lives of the victims of the horrific shooting at an outlet mall over the weekend that left eight people dead. one victim's grandmother calling her grandson, quote, a beautiful soul. and the disturbing new details emerging from what is believed to be the suspected gunman's social media page inside the hundreds and hundreds of posts revealing racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist rhetoric. our nbc news reporters are following the very latest developments and joining us now, i want to begin in allen, texas, where the outlet mall is still closed, an area outside turned

into a makeshift memorial for the eight people who died. nbc's priscilla thompson is joining us from there. as we are learning more about the victims, priscilla, at this hour, talk to us, what do you know? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. we're working to confirm the names of all of the victims, but we do have two names of the eight victims confirmed. that is 20-year-old christian laquor, his grandmother confirming he was fatally shot. he was a security guard here, and as you mentioned, she called him a beautiful soul and talked about how proud she was of him, and how many big dreams he had for his future, and she said that this has just been unbearable on his family, this tragedy. we know the same of a second victim, ashwara, we know she was an engineer here, according to a nonprofit who has been working with her family to have her remains sent back to india where her family is, and that

nonprofit organization confirming there was another person who was with her that is currently hospitalized and the latest update that we received from the hospital is six people still hospitalized including a child, at least one child and three of those victims remain in critical condition. and what we have seen over the past 24 plus hours as all of this has developed is this memorial that is growing behind me. there have been vigils held at churches with hundreds of people gathering to pray for the healing for those who are in the hospital and praying for these families who are grappling with this devastation. people have brought crosses out here to honor those victims. they have been praying with people. they have offered comfort dogs. we know there are counseling services available. a lot that is needed in this community right now as we're also hearing from survivors who are returning to the scene today to pick up their cars, even as the mall remains closed and there was one woman who we talked to in spanish, and just for contexts this is an outdoor

shopping outlet with more than 100 stores, and she said she was near the shooter when he got out of the car and opened fire. she remembers just a line of people walking along the sidewalk, and the shooter got out and shouted hey, and began firing at all of those people that were out there along that sidewalk, and so really traumatic harrowing accounts from people, and it is clear that that trauma, that shock, that emotion is still very alive and well here on the ground. a lot of people in tears as they're visiting this memorial today. >> another day, another traumatized community there in texas. i want to bring in ken dilanian, priscilla, by the way, thank you to you, to talk more about what we're learning about the gunman. i know you have been digging into possible motives here, ken. what do you know? >> our sources are saying this is being investigated as a possible case of racially motivated violent extremism because there's a lot of social

medialinged -- media linked to this person, we're being told, that included neo-nazi posts and there was a patch on his tactical vest bearing the acronym, rwds, which is believed to stand for right wing death squad, a meme popular in far right circles for many many years, and the police found weapons and ammunition in his car and again, they've reviewed hundreds of social media posts, suggesting that he has ties to a mishmash of ideologies including far right extremism. they have not declared that that was the motive here. they're investigating. >> ken dilanian, we thank you for that. i want to go to brownsville, texas, where an suv crashed into a crowd of migrants sunday morning. gabe gutierrez is there on the ground with more. gabe, what's the latest? >> reporter: authorities here in brownsville, texas, have charged

the driver of this suv with eight counts of manslaughter, they identified him as george alvarez, they say he has an extensive criminal record. they say that early sunday morning, he ran a red light here in brownsville in front of this migrant shelter, lost control of his vehicle, slamming into a group of migrants, mostly men from venezuela and eight of those men were killed. ten others were injured. that suspect has been arrested, tried to flee the scene police say before he was apprehended by onlookers. he was charged with eight counts of manslaughter. authorities have not ruled out whether this might have been intentional, that's something they're looking at. we spoke with one migrants on the scene who says he witnessed the driver yell anti-immigrant slurs as he was trying to flee the scene, and that he appeared drunk. authorities had not substantiated that. they say they're waiting on the toxicology report.

but it's all part of the ongoing investigation. of course this comes just days before the covid border restriction known as title 42 is set to be lifted and authorities here at the border expect that it will prompt yet another migrant influx here at the border. the city of brownsville, texas, is one of those communities across the border that has already been seeing on up tick in migrants for the last several weeks. there are questions about how the lifting of title 42 will play out in the coming days. meanwhile, here in brownsville, this community is in shock. makeshift memorial here is growing. again, that suspect charged with eight counts of manslaughter now being held on $3.6 million bail. back to you. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you for that. gabe just mentioned it there, while all of this is happening, the texas governor, greg abbott announcing a tactical force, three days before the title 42

border policy ends. guad venegas is live from another border point, preparing for increased crossings. guad, good to talk to you. take us there, what you're seeing on the ground this afternoon. >> yasmin, so we are about a mile west from the san ysidro port of entry. there's two border barriers in this part of san diego. this is the first one, and then basically san diego on this side and then you've got sort of what's a no man's land between the other barrier up there. that's what tijuana is. migrants have been getting over the first barrier, and camping out right here. their attention is to wait for border patrol to apprehend them so they can request asylum. under title 42, this is what migrants have been doing for years. they enter illegally, and turn themselves in to request asylum. under title 42 they can't do

that at the port of entry. what's happening, according to border patrol here is that the processing centers and the stations are at capacity. so border patrol has kept a lot of these individuals here for a day or two days, and they're in no man's land. they need food. they need water, which has been provided by humanitarian organizations that will come and give them food and water. border patrol came a few hours ago, and there are people in there that are sick. we have seen ambulances come in that border patrol has called to take away individuals, there was a man that had an ankle issue. there was another man taken out on a stretcher. we don't know all the details. what we have seen is some of the ambulances take them. there is an app that the government has put out for individuals who want to request asylum. dhs secretary mayorkas is telling people to use the app and go through the process, right, so yesterday i spoke to a woman here. she's a violinist from colombia who was crying as she told me i tried using the app but the app

doesn't work. for days i tried doing that before i decided to come here. here's part of the conversation i had with her. >> so she suffered domestic violence, says bones have been broken, so she's scared because of her daughter. her daughter is 12 years old. she's tried using the app but says it doesn't work. that's why she's so frustrated. they try at 2:00 and 4:00 in the morning, taking the photo, using the app, and she says it's not working. so the biden administration is putting in new immigration policies and part of that is expanding the manpower and the ways for people to seek asylum. one of these ways has been by putting up the app. more and more we talk to migrants. the app doesn't work properly. the message from them is the legal ways to request asylum is difficult.

that's why they do things like get over the first barrier, and camp out to seek asylum. again, we're seeing migrants come in every day. there was about 2 to 300 yesterday. we have seen a lot more. yasmin, there's children in there, a family up there with a young boy. another family there, and border patrol is taking some of them, small groups. again, they tell me they are at capacity, and this is just one of the camps here between san diego and tijuana. we are seeing this in other parts of the border. >> we're going to watch how this transpires leading up to the lifting of title 42. guad venegas for us, as always, we thank you for that. right now, everybody, we're looking at the white house, the president there speaking about new proposals to make the cost of flying a lot less painful. that would be nice. along with transportation secretary pete buttigieg as well. the administration is announcing a new quote unquote, rule making process that could give airline passengers more rights when it comes to flight cancellations and delays.

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shelters. they are overwhelmed. cities declaring state of emergency, and the federal government is sending troops. how do things change in practical terms from today to thursday when title 42 ends? i want to bring in allen orr, immigration attorney and former president of the american immigration lawyers association and talk more about this. thanks for joining us on this. i think a lot of folks have questions we have been reporting on on how things change for these migrants. i think first and foremost is what is the processing like today versus thursday once title 42 is lifted? what has that going to look like for folks that are crossing the border? >> so i think let's start with a grand picture first: why do we continually have this situation. title 42 was supposed to end four times, and at the ending of those four times, we have insurgents. we should look to what the problem is this inconsistent policy that comes from the

executive branch that they need to actually pass new law that sort of addresses what asylum is and how we can handle this. asylum from the southern border, and that's the most important part when it comes to equities of immigrants coming into this country. what we can expect on thursday is immigrants who are arriving to either be processed quickly and returned or those who enter in between the ports then barred for five years because of new rules that they didn't know about. so the confusion that has started and will continue to exist will therefore hamper individuals who made it a thousand miles to the border or a hundred miles or 50 miles, and other individuals were able to play under new patrol programs or go through the humanitarian centers being set up in two areas to help persuade people coming to the southern border. >> the administration is saying under the new status quo, once title 42 is lifted, the processing could be a matter of days. do you disagree with that or do you have more context to that? >> right.

so i think the understanding of that is what is due process and does it take a couple of days to do every case. we have to wait and see how that's actually going to work in the process. our understanding is that there will also be a new rule that says if you're going to apply for asylum in the first country you enter, you won't be able to apply for asylum here. if you enter in ports, you also will be returned. none speak to the laws made after the ending of the world war ii to speak to the humanitarian needs these individuals have in these areas. what we're seeing and hoping is that the private partnerships will step up many of these places that need workers will step up to help aid the government in our country, and resolving the democrats on the street to help them have food and clothing as you think of a resolution to the situation. >> along with this, right, many of these are new cases, you're also looking at a backlog. 2 million, i believe, pending immigration cases, how are those processed?

i mean, do we even have the infrastructure to handle the backlog, along with new migrants cross the border with influx. >> i think we have the ability to make choices and the choices show exactly what we think is important. every airport we process thousands of individuals to enter this country from other countries, and it's no problem. if we wanted to do the same resolve for the southern border, we could do that to make things work appropriately. we need additional funding for congress, and congress has not done anything in 30 years with regards to asylum or immigration. to help flow the influx of immigrants. the problem is we keep looking to a president to do something. with consistent change in these policies, we won't have this influx of people coming to the border or selling stories being opened or closed because there will be one policy that exists all times. >> allen orr, we thank you.

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. welcome back. so far this year, we have seen 202 mass shootings defined by the gun violence archive as involving at least four victims, roughly one every 15 hours.

and while the attack on a dallas area mall was one of the deadliest, it's not the most recently. there were four more mass shootings yesterday in california, new jersey, maryland, and missouri as well. nbc's kate snow digs deeper into why these kinds of horrific incidents have become an every day occurrence. >> reporter: the outlet mall near dallas. >> we start hearing, rock, rock. >> reporter: the atlanta medical office. >> all i see are police cars, s.w.a.t and everybody is pulling up. >> reporter: neighbors shot in cleveland, texas, a sweet 16 birthday party in alabama, a louisville bank. and an elementary school in nashville. >> how are our children still dying and why are we failing them? >> i have been studying this for 40 years, and i've never seen a year like this. >> reporter: criminology professor james fox oversees a data base at northeastern university that keeps track of deadly mass shootings. >> why are we seeing so many

mass killings this year? >> well, we have several factors. we have many more guns in the hands of americans, a large increase in gun sales since covid. and because of covid, many americans are suffering economically and emotionally, and this country is quite divided. people are angry, and they're taking it out on innocent strangers. >> texas governor greg abbott is a strong supporter of gun owners. today he said the long-term solution is to address mental health. >> there has been a dramatic increase in the amount of anger and violence that's taking place in america, and what texas is doing in a big time way, we are working to address that anger and violence by going to its root cause, which is addressing the mental health problems behind it. >> reporter: josh horowitz is codirector of the johns hopkins center for gun violence solutions. >> is it a combination of

factors, including access to guns and including mental health? >> it's always a combination of factors. other countries have mental illness, video games, but we have access to firearms. you take the combination of risk factors and layer on weapons, guns, high capacity magazines, ar-15 assault weapons, and you have the disaster that we're seeing right now in the united states. >> reporter: some states are making changes. governors in colorado and washington state signed major reforms on gun ownership last month. but in washington, d.c., a chronic impasse. >> i have gone to the full extent of my executive authority. >> reporter: nbc's yamiche alcindor covers washington. the president said it's up to congress to act. is that likely to happen? >> last year, president biden helped pass substantial bipartisan gun legislation. it's unlikely that republicans

who control the house will agree to that restriction or any further changes to gun laws. >> reporter: for communities torn apart by gun violence, like allen, texas, a fear nothing will change. >> we just go through this over and over and nothing gets done. >> and thank you to nbc's kate snow for that. so as the number of shootings goes up, so too does the number of people that are traumatized by them. that includes the people who were shopping at that outlet mall in north texas. i spoke to fontaine payton last hour. here's what he said he saw after finally being able to leave after being trapped inside for an hour. >> they told the rest of us to keep following all of these other people out left, and that's when you seen the glass of the window busted, you see blood everywhere, and i was on the phone with my girlfriend, and i remember because we had to walk past this bush, and you see these white sheets and bodies

and i was just -- like you don't -- you can't prepare yourself to see something like that. it's not normal. and i just remember telling my girlfriend, i hope there isn't any kids, but it appeared to be a kid that i saw, and it just, it hurt me so bad. >> i want to bring in nbc senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. i can't tell you how many times you have done them as well. i've had to interview people like fontaine about their experiences at a mass shooting. at what point does hearing these types of stories, seeing what happens in many of these lawmakers' home towns move the needle for them to do something? >> reporter: the answer so far has been not yet. apparently not this one. i mean, this is an incredible frustration of people like you and i who cover this sort of thing because we run into over

and over again, and the politics have been largely immovable. there was that bipartisan bill that nibbled around the edges of the guns issue that passed in the last congress. there is almost no movement, and the battle lines are familiar. you have house democrats led by hakeem jeffries who posted a tweet over the weekend saying that maga republicans aren't interested in dealing with this. they want to ban books. democrats are trying to take weapons of war off the streets, and he's right in a sense that republicans aren't interested in addressing the gun portion of this. that area, i was at that mall about a month ago, ten minutes from where my in laws live, a county that went for donald trump, about four points in 2020. a republican congressman who won by 25 points in 2022, they are not looking at this as a guns issue or at least that congressman is not looking at this as a guns issue. and what you're going to see where i'm standing now in congress is probably no action on this. but perhaps performative action.

we may see how senate democrats try to force some votes on gun legislation over the next couple of weeks to prove where they are on this. if you're looking for washington to solve this with congress as it's configured right now, yasmin, you're pretty well stuck. >> i wonder how many days it's going to take until you and i are in this impact position having the same conversation after yet another mass shooting. garrett haake, thank you. all right, everybody. tonight, following the recent mass shootings in allen, texas, joe scarborough is discussing greg abbot, and john fetterman and his battle with depression. watch "joe scarborough presents." up first, new signs the florida governor's battle with disney could actually pay off politically. what nearly two dozen conservative voters are telling nbc news. that's next right here on msnbc. we'll be right back. next righh. we'll be right back. jessie loves playing detective. but the real mystery was her irritated skin.

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welcome back, everybody, we're following breaking news, learning more information about the shooter at the mall in allen, texas. here's what we're learning from our own courtney kube. and this is a statement from the u.s. army public affairs spokesperson saying the shooter entered the regular army back in june of 2008. he was terminated three months later without completing initial entry training. he was not awarded a military occupational specialty.

he had no deployments or awards. we do not provide characterization of discharge for any soldier, although our own courtney kube reporting that after his possible discharge of three months, it was likely for a physical and/or mental condition, though we don't have any more details on that. as we get more information, we're going to bring it right to you. we are following a story out of florida. florida governor ron desantis may be preparing to jump into the critical race to take on former president donald trump this month. but for now, his biggest opponent seems to be mickey mouse. that battle fueling warning signs from gop strategists and donors alike, but polls, surveys, and interviews with florida republicans show this may be a fight desantis can win. i want to bring in dasha burns who spoke to two dozen voters inside the state, dasha, lets me start with you on this one, and talk us through what you learn from these voters that you were speaking with?

>> reporter: there's been so much speculation in the political class, in d.c. from donors, consultants, warning that this could be something that sinks the desantis campaign before it even begins. there's a reason why he is doing this, and that's to court some of these republican primary voters that are going to be so critical if he wants to take on donald trump. we went and spoke to the lot of them. we spent a lot of time in lake county, florida, which is actually right next door to disney. look, this is a conservative county. it also encompasses the villages, which is the world's largest retirement community that is also famously quite red. it went for donald trump. but this is a community that has also benefitted a lot from disney economically, and the voters that we talked to acknowledged this. but overwhelmingly, we found that they sided with desantis in this fight. they were frustrated with disney, wading into political

waters. take a listen to some of our conversations. >> i'm definitely on desantis's side, go woke, go broke. it's absolutely ridiculous what they're doing. >> reporter: do you have grand kids? >> i do not. but we love to go to disney world. >> reporter: you go to disney world? >> we had annual passes, and i will tell you, we did not renew them. >> reporter: you did not renew your annual passes? >> we didn't because we've been there a number of times but because they opened their mouth and said something about that don't say gay, which, by the way, is a political slogan that they just jumped on, i think that renewing our annual passes shows that we're supporting them, and i'm not supporting them. >> i think it shows the pettiness of ron desantis, and i think it also shows hypocrisy because what he's running on and what he's going around the country and the world saying is that florida is free, that he's made us more free.

he hasn't made us more free. >> it's the wrong time to go after mother nature. you remember there was a commercial years ago that said you don't mess with mother nature. in florida, disney is mother nature. it really boils down to that. and i think from a practical standpoint, he's not going to accomplish a hell of a lot. >> so some differing opinions. help us dig into the polling. you had conservative florida voters essentially saying disney should not be weighed into these political waters. though one woman essentially say she doesn't think desantis was doing the right thing and representing florida in that way. what are you seeing not only in the state of florida but across the country when it comes to this? >> right. so we looked at, there's three polls. there's a ton of data, one local poll and two national. what we found was consistent across the board, which was if you take the entire electorate,

this is a very unpopular fight. if you look at the republican primary, potential voters and a gop primary, they love this fight. they love that desantis is taking it to disney, and we can see that in the numbers unfavorability. desantis among republicans has much higher favorability, according to the university of northern florida poll. disney was very low, as you can see, 27% to ron desantis's 87% among republicans. we saw the same in these national polls. in fact, one of the national polls, the harvard caps harris poll had the overall electorate, 54% overall supporting desantis. the question was asked differently. it was asked, do you want to limit disney's autonomy in florida, and there is 54%. so you had republicans, you

know, the bottom line here is when you look at the numbers, republicans across the board are supporting this fight, and that is an indication of desantis's strategy right now, which is he needs to think about the primary. he has to get through the primary. he has to get past donald trump, and that's what he's looking at right now. go ahead. please continue. >> i was just going to say, probably your next point, this is a completely different conversation when you're talking about a general election and you're talking about, you know, a bigger electorate, but he has to get through the primary first. >> i got to say, though, it's fascinating, considering the financial contributions, what disney does financially for the state of florida. it seems desantis's base in the state are siding on the side of the governor, versus on disney, considering what disney really does for the state. you're looking at these high rolling donors, they're wampg how this fight is playing out in the state of florida. part of that is they're

wondering where they should place their bets come 2024 presidential election. what does that tell you about what they're looking for, the characteristics they are looking for? >> well, i mean, one of the reasons we did this story is because we kept hearing the same thing over and over, which was among the consulting class, the high rolling donors, they don't like this fight. they don't want somebody who's considered unelectable in a general election. and that's what they think this fight symbolizes. this still presents a risk to desantis for that very reason. they don't like this. they don't like him going up against disney. now, again, you look at the gop primary elector. yes, maybe he could get support from this electorate, but that does not mean necessarily that he will continue getting the funding. we talked to donors and strategists who said they don't like this fight with mickey mouse. it has gone on too long, you know, let's cut our losses now.

>> natasha karecky, nobodiments -- nobody wants to fight with mickey mouse. closing arguments in the trump civil rape trial, will the former president be found liable. we're going to speak with a criminal defense attorney and get a report outside the white house coming up next. a report oe house coming up next so it's decided, we'll park even deeper into parking spaces so people think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jerry. -sorry. uh, yeah, can we get a system where when someone's bike is in the shop, then we could borrow someone else's? -no! -no! or you can get a quote with america's number-one motorcycle insurer and maybe save some money while you're at it. all in favor of that. [ horn honking ]

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in the civil rape case against donald trump with rebuttals set to start in the next few minutes. it's going to be the last words the jury hears before beginning deliberations, whether or not to hold the former president liable. his deposition video released just days ago was a major talking point in closing arguments. nbc's ron allen is outside the courthouse for us. also with us criminal defense attorney, and msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos. take us through it. what stood out to you inside that courtroom behind you? >> reporter: well, we just finished the defense attorney's closing arguments, about two hours worth of argument where joe tacopina tried to say that e. jean carroll and two friends were involved in a conspiracy to bring down donald trump politically. she started writing her book in 2017, published in 2019, when former president trump was in

the white house, and before the next election. he has cast her and her friends as democrats, die-hard democrats who just have such disdain for president trump that they would do this, that she would concoct this story that she was raped in a department store and put it in a book to try and sell books. that's their side of the story. on the other side, carroll's attorneys are the plaintiffs, they say she's a courageous woman who came forward with the story, the world had changed with the me too movement, and she felt all of these years later she could talk about this attack that happened, this alleged attack that happened back in 1996. we'll see where we go from here. there will be rebuttal by the plaintiffs. that should probably take an hour. at some point, the judge will instruct the jury, perhaps before the end of the day, more like tomorrow morning, and we expect the jury to get the case sometime early tuesday morning.

and what they make of all of this, it remains to be seen obviously. both signs are presented very starkly different versions of what they say is the truth. carroll's lawyers have basically said that donald trump is a chronic liar. he has lied about everything, and they say that basically he admits to what he is accused of in this case. if you listen to the access hollywood tape closely, where he talks about groping women and you can get away with this because you're a star. on the other side, tacopina, so much of what she say is saying is unbelievable. that he would do this in a major department store, no witnesses have come forward, no one saw them at the store. it sounds unbelievable. but he's trying to convince the juror. >> ron allen, thank you, i know you got to run. i appreciate you taking the time. danny, i want to talk about some of the moments first, and then kind of the clean up on aisle 4

tacopina has had to do in closing arguments. first and foremost, i want to play the moment during the deposition where the former president of the united states was asked to identify who was in the photo, and he identified e. jean carroll as his ex-wife, marla maples. and we'll talk on the other side about why that's so significant. let's watch. >> let's say, i don't know, it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. that's my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to is e. jean carroll. >> and the woman on the right is your then wife -- >> it's very blurry. >> it's interesting because he kind of just keeps rolling with it, even recognizing that he had made that mistake.

the reason this is significant because part of hisf the united saying she's not even my team. and yet he identified her as his ex-wife in that very photo. how do you clean up that in a closing argument? how does tacopina do that? >> the not my type defense was not even necessary. that was a trump invented defense. his attorney told him this is a straightforward case, you don't remember it because it didn't happen. we are taking on this witness not as a victim. we're treating her as a liar because we believe it didn't happen. so when you have an unforced error, when trump essentially says this is somebody who's not by type. you don't need that, and i guarantee if they're being honest, trump's defense team when trump started that narrative, they were frustrated. their palms were slapped right to their forehead because you don't need to put in something

about the victim not being your type, and certainly don't need to say the victim's attorney is not your type. stuff that will inflame the jury. >> how do you build a defense about the guy in the infamous access hollywood tape, yeah, that's what stars were able to do back then. for hundreds and hundreds of years we were able to do that fortunately or unfortunately. how do you clean that up in closing arguments? >> first, the "access hollywood" tapes, was a major win. that's the kind of evidence that comes in that doesn't really have to do with this impact event, but it shows a, and i think she said it explicitly, i can't say it here, but she said

trump grabbed her by the bleep. and she tide together the "access hollywood" tape with these allegations, really bringing it home. effective use in closing argument. that's what you do, take all the evidence in record, and weave it together to make your best case to the jury. >> i felt like you were learning some lawyering in watching that. >> always room to learn here. >> i adore you, thank you, danny. if you ask almost any senate republican, they're going to tell you they love tim scott, but if you ask about backing him in 2024, you might get different response. that's coming up next. t that's coming up next. (neighbor) oh, he's bragging. (seth) who, me? never. oh, excuse me. hello, your royal highness, sir... (cecily) okay, that's a brag. (seth) hey, mom. i gotta call you back. (vo) visit your verizon store during our spring savings event

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ally. >> they love him but maybe not for president, what is the disconnect. >> they love him, but maybe not yet. we know former president trump has been able to establish clear dominance in the polls and within his party. he's got ten republican senators endorsing him. 50 republican house members. he's by far leading the pack in terms of having endorsements in the republican party, and it's also entirely possible that endorsements don't translate to anything outside of d.c. never the less when you look at senator tim scott who would be running amid the pack of republican senators who are ambitious enough to try for the highest office in the land, this year scott is likely the only republican senator running in this primary, and he's doing it as, yes, a beloved republican senator but also someone who

even as they were heaping praise on him as my colleague scott wong and i were in the halls, asking people what they think about scott. and rubio even said he loves tim scott but isn't sure if thooes -- he's ready to endorse at this point in the presidential cycle. love may not be all you need in washington to get the endorsements and other things in political calculus that you want on the campaign trail. >> in this instance, right, love is not all you need. ali vitali. thank you as always. good to talk to you. i'm yasmin vossoughian, katy tur picks up our coverage right now. ♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur. a supermarket, a church, a school, another school, a bank, a parade, a synagogu