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>> i went to the first person i found crouching in the bushes, looked like she was praying. and felt for her pulse. there was no pulse, so i pulled her head up to look at her face. and there wasn't a face. just brain matter. so i went to the next guy. he was already staring straight ahead. his eyes were fixed can dilated. felt for a pulse. no pulse. >> mass murder has become a regular occurrence in red states like texas. as republicans keep trying to gaslight us about how the guns somehow have nothing to do with it. plus, new information on the eight victims including three children. also tonight, the new more conservative cnn has decided to give a mega phone to donald trump at the same time that he's being investigated for fomenting an insurrection among other alleged crimes. plus, the blowback from parts of the british commonwealth, especially in the caribbean, following this weekend's lavish and an

acronistic coronation. >> we begin tonight with a question. is it safe to go to the mall in a red state? what about a restaurant or a nightclub? what's your likelihood of getting shot? over the weekend, seven people were shot and one killed during a cinco de mayo party in mississippi. four people were shot at a nightclub in virginia. then in allen, texas, on saturday, a man pulled up to the allen premium outlet malls about 25 miles north of dallas, got out of his car with an ar-15 style assault weapon and opened fire. he shot eight people dead before a police officer who happened to be at the mall on an unrelated assignment shot and killed him. we now know the victims including three children. one as young as 3 years old. the other victims include christian lacour, pictured here, age 23. he was a security guard at the

mall. his grandmother shared on facebook. elio, age 32, and aishwarya, age 26. we also know about the shooter, who was a 33-year-old suspected nazi sympathizer dressed to kill, wearing a tactical vest and armed with an assault rifle and a handgun. more weapons and ammunition were found in his car. at the time of the massacre, he was wearing a patch on his chest that include an acronym, rwds. authorities believe it stands for right wing death squad, a phrase used in far right social media spaces. it also appears on t-shirts and tats of proud boys, some of whom including their former leader were recently found guilty of seditious conspiracy in the january 6th attack on the capitol. the shooter and tarrio was hispanic, so yes, you can be non-white and pro nazi.

weird world. it's been just one week since a different texas gunman massacred five of his neighbors including a 9-year-old boy whose father had asked him to stop firing rounds in his yard because a baby was trying to sleep, and the allen, texas, mall attack is the deadliest attack of the year since the ballroom massacre that left 11 people dead in southern california. so this is what america is now everywhere, but especially in red states. for the cdc, the states with the highest gun det rates are all red states, with the exception of new mexico. while the lowest gun death rates are found in blue states. but let's face it, we are all literally on a russian roulette lottery, waiting for it to be our turn to run screaming from gunfire. and if you manage to not get dead in a mall, at a restaurant, in the walmart, or another store, at a concert, at church and school and third grade and high school or in college or even inside your own home, consider yourself lucky. because america is a shooting gallery.

again, especially the red states. and all that republicans have to offer for this state of constant terror are thoughts and prayers. one texas lawmaker even doubled down on it, after all, god works in mysterious ways. >> many people argue that prayers aren't cutting it. prayers are not preventing the next mass shooting. what is your response to that criticism? >> well, those are people that don't believe in an almighty god who has -- who is absolutely in control of our lives. i'm a christian, i believe that he is, and i know people want to make this political, but prayers are important. and they are powerful in the families who are devastated right now. >> and here's the response of dean cain, former actor and let's face it, the worst superman, who also sits on the board of the nra. the premiere death merchant in america in that it owns lock, stock, and barrel an entire

political party whose members have been trained to love guns more than they love your or even their own children. cane tweeted in response to the texas mall shooting, quote, i prefer dangerous freedom over safe slavery. less you think cain is smart enough to have composed the line, he was quoting thomas jefferson who actually wrote it in latin. in 1987, jefferson was writing to his fellow slaveholder, james madison, about shea's rebellion, a violent uprising by massachusetts farmers that began the previous year. the farmers led by a man who was a veteran of the revolutionary war, opposed the excessive massachusetts property taxes and penalties imposed upon them after the war. eventually, hundreds would march to the state armory, threatening to overthrow the government, january 6 style, but the attempt

was unsuccessful. jefferson's attitude about all that was, i hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, since at least liberty and democracy were better than monarchy. jefferson, of course, didn't think that about the liberty of the men, women, and children he enslaved including the teenager he was serially raping. a little rebellion by them would have brought on a whipping, but i digress. at that time jefferson wrote that line that dean cain would later use to demonstrate his callousness toward dead children at a mall, there was no second amendment because there was no u.s. constitution. america was still under the articles of confederation. george washington wouldn't become president of the united states until the actual constitution was enacted in 1789. and the precious second amendment wouldn't be adopted until two years after that in the shadow of yet another violent citizens rebellion, the whiskey rebellion, which was also about high taxes. slave holder george washington was so enraged by the rebellion

he wrote letters excoriating these kinds of armed uprising, saying in one letter, quote, commotions of this sort like snowballs gather strength as they roll. as if there is no opposition, if there is no opposition in the way to divide and crumble them. i am mortified beyond expression in the moment of our acknowledged independence we should by our conduct verify the predictions of our trans-atlantic foe and render ourselves ridiculous and contemptible in the eyes of all europe. how ironic that today we find ourselves renders ridiculous and contemptible in the eyes of all europe due to our gun massacres. the founders that republicans worship hated rebellions. farmers rebellions. slave rebellions and they wrote in an amendment designed to quell them, not to encourage them, by writing into law the state militias that all white men in 13 states were required to serve in with their privately held muskets.

it was put down when a group of wealthy boston merchants put down a militia to put down the revolting farmers. it was meant to have order, not chaos. the author of the second amendment was jefferson's slave holder penpal, james madison. the ideas its intention was to encourage more uprisings like january 6th is ridiculous. the idea that it was written to make mass shootings possible in a future these men of the 18th century couldn't possibly foresee, is evil. because what republicans are basically saying is that their precious second amendment is a suicide pact, a murder pact, and a national consent to get slaughters at the mall. joining me now is democratic state senator roland gutierrez whose district includes uvalde, site of last year's elementary school shooting, and shannon watts, founder of moms demand action for common sense. i want you to respond to the

latest round of useless thoughts and prayers by your state's leaders. >> thank you for having me. listen, i think we have all just had enough with the prayers. we want commonsense gun solutions. we want to get something done because that's what the citizenry across this state and across this nation deserve. we're living in a state of chaos right now, and it's chaos that has been wholly created by greg abbott, dan patrick, and others. they have created a system in place over the last ten years or so where they have -- we have a loose and lax system of gun laws. there really are no gun laws in texas, not the kind of gun laws that shannon watts and others would like to see. the kind of gun laws that republicans oppose are how to give access to more militarized weaponry in the state of texas. point in fact, we have gotten very far this year in that we have got a good bill that got out of the house today. sadly, i don't think it's going anywhere.

we need to stop praying. we need to start doing something about this. the people in uvalde, these people in allen, texas, and beyond are demanding we do something. >> and to talk about that bill, to stay with you for a second, senator. this was a surprise bill. after this shooting, the texas house panel has okayed a bill that would raise the age to buy a semiautomatic rifle. what people across the country don't understand, gun regulation really applies to pistols. if you want a rifle, even if it's a semiautomatic, the civilian equivalent of an m-16, you could buy one at a sporting goods store or a pawnshop. you don't think that modest bill out of the house can pass through the senate or the full house? >> sadly, as you just said, joy, we have an age limit on handguns. we have no age limit on ar-15s. to your point, you can't pick up an ar-15 if you're 18 at all of those shows, at all of the gun shops, but you can also pick one up at a gun show where you don't even have to show an id.

this is the kind of system that these republicans have put in place. no id, all you have do is say you're a u.s. citizen and you haven't had afulany. if you're not buying from an authorized dealer at the gun convention, you walk out with your fully loaded ar-15, and because of the laws the republicans have put in place, you can walk down congress avenue in austin, texas, and no cop can even stop you or ask you a question. that's just complete and utter chaos. but that's the state of affairs in texas. and believe it or not, that happens in texas daily. we have people that want to do their demonstrations in that way. we're completely lost. it's sad, but i don't think this bill is going to go any further. listen, hope springs eternal. those uvalde families have worked hard. i had lunch with them today. they're going to continue working. we have to continue putting pressure on those republican house committee chairs and the calendars committee. i urge everything in texas to call their state legislator and demand we do something now on

this issue. >> shannon, let me go to you. texas had nine mass shootings in the past 14 years. and all that's happened as the senator has pointed out is they have made the gun laws looser. in fact, the governor of texas tweeted the following in 2015. i'm embarrassing texas is number two in the nation for new gun purchases behind california. let's pick up the pace, texans. he tagged the nra in that. and to that point about the ar-15, i mean, if more guns made, you know, the state more safe as you have tweeted, texas would be the safest state. instead it's the massacre capital of the world, not just the united states. eugene stoner, who invented the ar-15 in the late 1950s had no interest in civilians using his inventio he looked at this thing as only for the military side of the house, adding that stoner would have been horrified by the idea he invented the tool of all this carnage in the schools.

this was invented for the military. yet f you have a mind to do a mass shooting, you can pick one up on your way to the mass shooting without any background check. your thoughts on the fact fat that is the state of affairs republicans would like to continue forever. >> well, i mean, that's the reporting that's coming out now about the mass shooter in allen, texas. in fact, his guns were bought by an unlicensed seller, probably without a background check. millions of guns are sold this way in this country every year. because of that loophole that exists that we need to close at a federal level. we have closed it in over 20 states but at the same time, there nra is going state by state and passing something called permitless carry which recently passed in texas which means you can carry a hidden loaded handgun in public with no background check, no permit, and no safety training. as you said, if more guns and fewer gun laws made us safer, texas would be the safest state in the country. instead, they're home tohalf of the deadliest mass shootings in

the country and gun homicides in the state of texas have gone up 90% in the last decade. when will the guns make us safer? the answer is never. and lawmakers know that. they want to debate prayers, they want to debate mental illness, they want to debate evil. the reality is that we are giving citizens unfettered access to arsenals and ammunition and that is why we have a 25 times higher gun homicide rate than any peer nation. it is the guns. >> and the question i have is, at what point does tourism get affected? i don't know how anybody would feel comfortable walking through a mall in the state of texas or virginia or louisiana or mississippi. i wouldn't. it's at this point not safe, right, to go out. you can't be in your home because they'll bust in there as well. i want to show you for a moment, this is an ad by tate reeds, this is the ad he put out. this is his launch ad. this is him cause playing as

clint eastwood shooting people of color. this is what american republican candidates for office do now. they sort of cos play themselves as killers and murderers and somehow that's how they appeal to voters. but what do you make of the fact that in reality, these mass shooters generally are not long time gun owners. they're people who have aicon t do a killing and then they buy guns. if even gun owners can't unite around them, it's just affecting murderers but it seems republicans want them protected and they promote mass killing in their ads? >> what we have seen is that guns have become an organizing principle among the right wing. right? that they have become a way to get people in the door and to excite them around a whole host of issues that have nothing to do with guns and to bring in money. that's why you're seeing ads like that. that's why you're seeing

shooters like we have seen, you know, white supremacists. they are all part of this right-wing base that is being excited by the gun lobby's rhetoric. i wish that one policy, one protest, one social media post would solve this. it won't. it is the unglamorous heavy lifting of grassroots activism. it's showing these lawmakers there are consequences for inaction. you and the senator were talking about the bill that got out of committee today. that bill should have never gotten out of committee. why did it move today? because over 100 moms demand action volunteers in uvalde survivors and other gun safety advocates showed up and screamed cowards at these lawmakers as they walked through the house, and they knew there were going to be consequences for inaction. will it go another step further? i don't know, but this is how we force change in america. we have got to get away from our screens and get off the sidelines. we are having huge events all over this country. this saturday before mother's day i would ask people watching

to text the word rally to 64433. we have to use our voices and our votes on this issue. >> and senator, you're a politician. wouldn't the most, the strongest rebuke for a politician and the one thing that would scare them is getting voted out. yet, greg abbott got re-elected. this attorney general who is under federal investigation got re-elected. if people are going to keep re-electing these people, they're going to learn nothing, my assumption is. is there anything short of voting out every person who refuses to take action on guns, is there any other solution besides that? i don't know, mass lawsuits against gun companies. give us some ideas. >> you know, joy, sadly, we can't even do mass lawsuits against gun companies because congress created something called placa, the protection of lawful commerce and arms act. you can sue big tobacco, big beer, but you can't sue big guns because people in congress thought that was a good idea. many of these companies market to young people. with regard to these people that keep getting re-elected in

texas, there is not one more important issue in my whole life, in my whole career going back and forward, that is more important than this. i have seen all of the body cam footage, i have seen children with their faces blown off inside of that school in uvalde. i have seen imagery that i can't get out of my head. i go to bed at night thinking about and i wake up thinking about it. i'm going to campaign all over this state, and i want to get people to vote and do everything in my power because we must. we have to be able to change things. there is not an issue out there, not inflationary issue, not a high cost of gas or anything that is as important as this. if you don't have your child, you have nothing. two little girls died, a fourth grader and a second grader, died on saturday. along with six other people. we need to be cognizant of the

fact in this country that this is right around the corner from all of us. and we have the power to change things, and we have the power to do things. our legislators, we don't need to be praying. we need to create laws. that's the bible i believe in. god gives us free will to do things. and to the voters at home, that gives you the power to vote these people out. >> yeah. amen. and i will note there's a 6-year-old little boy from a korean-american family who now has no family because his entire family was wiped out in the mall. to the people of massachusetts voted in a democratic legislature, not saying democrats are perfect, but they changed the laws so significantly that made it uncomfortable for one of the oldest gun companies in america to stay in massachusetts. guess where they're moving. tennessee. they're going to bring the death merchantry to tennessee. up next on "the reidout,"

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investigators are searching for a motive in the horrific mass shooting at a dallas area mall over the weekend that left eight people dead, including multiple children. two senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news the 33-year-old shooter was a neo nazi sympathizer and the shooting is being investigated as case of racial or ethnically motivated violent extremism. those believes are further exemplified by a social media account linked to him. joining me is clint watts, former consultant with the fbi counterterrorism division and msnbc national security analyst, and ben collins, nbc news senior reporter. this person, just to give his background. a military background, in the military for three months before he was booted for a physical or mental condition.

did not complete basic training. he had this right-wing death squad patch on, which we have seen the proud boys wear. we have a picture of the shooter showing this right wing -- there he is, showing the rwds patch. and on the right, we have member jeremy burr teeno of the proud boys who has pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy. that's from the posting he made on his social networking platform. and i have one more thing to show you, enrique tarrio who just got convicted of seditious conspiracy, also wearing a vest with rwds. explain this tie to the military and to neo naziism, particularly since this person is hispanic and not white. >> yeah, joy. one thing i would note is over the last probably decade, but particularly during the social media era, you see a blending of ideolo ideologies. it's a choose your own adventure

of extremism ideologistologies. you could see this pretty consistently, people staying at home, picking their ideology, whatever their hateful ideology is and mixing and matching it. there's already suggestions it wasn't just a white supremacy, it was also incel misogyny. it was also connections to russian platforms. this is highly common in these online spaces. you'll see a lot of overlap between these groups. that's why you'll see it showing up in a group like the proud boys having that patch that inspires other individuals in extremism circles. i think the key point of this is online spaces is the connective tissue. in person, it is the access to weapons. i mean, just rabid access to weapons. someone has an ideology. they want to decide to do it, there's an idea known as accelerationism. let's accelerate a race war by producing violence and indiscriminate targeting, just to do that is a sign that they

wanted to escalate the violence to try to tip off others or to inspire others as well. >> you know, online, ben, you have a lot of people on the right saying there's no way this guy was a neonazi, saying that's not possible. the rise is, there's a piece in axios that talks about the rise of white nationalist hispanics. it stems from three sources, hispanic americans who identify as white, the ved of online misinformation, lingering antiblack, anti-semitic views among latinos that are rarely discussed. i give you enrique tarrio and nick fuentes, and this guy in particular wrote something on his own platform where he put, there's a right way and a left way to go. one way is act black, the other one is become white supremacist. his caption was, it's funny because it's true. i think i'll take my chances with the white supremacists. it seems like online, people are radicalizing themselves and it doesn't matter if real white supremacists would probably harm them if they got ahold of them.

they're joining. >> yeah, you know, clint just talked about the connective tissue. it's guns and hate. in general, hate. that's what you saw in these guys' posts. my colleague did a ton of deep diving today. i helped her sort through this guy's profile. it's hatredone who is not conforming to white supremacist ideology. he started a blog post talking about how his blog post was devoted to libs of tiktok. the anti-trans count on the internet, and then he ranted against drag queen story hour and the last two words in the post were hiel hitler. this was a guy who had a swastika tattooed on his chest, and ss logo tattooed on his arm. there's nothing complicated about this. this was a neonazi, straight up, that's what he was. and the confusion about the latino stuff, it is dwarfed by the immense amount of evidence here that shows this guy was

wrapped up in tons of inceldom, white supremacist, and other hateful ideologies. >> clint, let's go back to that, nick fuentes is also kind of king of the incels. that sounds like isis, you're targeting lonely men online putting themselves inside what they think is a video game, and whenever they cross the mental rubicon, you can get a gun that day. you can pick one up on the way over. it seems to me that the incel piece of it, the lonely loser online thing, is a big part of it. >> that's exactly right. they are remarkably similar. just in terms of background, you might find 90% to 95% similarity. the only difference is did they pick a militant religious ideology or white supremacy or misogyny. you see them all overlap. there are other cases where we

have seen them move back and forth. very easily between those ideologies or even confuse them in the online space because it is choose your own adventure for these guys. they don't have anything going on really in the real world. they need something to propel or motivate themselves and this is where they go to do it. they do it in the online space. i think the thing that i worry about the most right at this moment today is, he was maybe a lone shooter on saturday, but he is not lonely, he's probably got a lot of online friends. so when you're looking at what's going on, i'm very concerned this thing can trigger a contagion where you see one shooting like this that's quite spectacular. you don't know what his online communities are. i'm sure that's what the fbi and law enforcement in texas are worried about right now that can easily spiral out to other mass shootings. that's a big concern with this one. i can tell a soon as he got out of the car in the video and you see what he's dressed in and how he's shooting, it was exactly what we expected. and what we have seen in so many

sad mass shootings around this country. >> yeah. that's what i'm concerned about too, this is becoming a fad for people that are similar to him and one is producing more. clint watts and ben collins thank you very much. still ahead, somebody at cnn thought it was a good idea to give trump a platform to spread big lies in primetime. i would say don't get me started but i'm going to start after this. back to work. what about your neck? it's good to go. before advil. advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. - this is our premium platinum coverage map and this is consumer cellular's map. - i don't see the difference, do you? - well, that one's purple. - [announcer] get the exact same coverage as the nation's leading carrier. starting at $20. consumer cellular.

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on wednesday, cnn will grant the twice impeached, indicting insurrection inciting president an hour-long platform in primetime. cnn will host trump in new hampshire where he will answer questions from new hampshire republicans and undeclared voters who plan to vote in the 2024 republican presidential primary. it is troubling that cnn seems to be participating in the erasure of what happened on january 6th. diminishing the significance of a president of the united states for the first time in history seeking to smother american democracy and stop the peaceful transfer of power. what's far more damning is trump continues to pose a threat to democracy. because he has zero remorse for what happened. in fact, defending the armed insurrectionists who caused millions of dollars of damage and left hundreds of officers injured along with five people dead, has become a key plank of his 2024 election bid. >> you get some of these judges that are so nasty and so angry,

mean, the sentences. and i will tell you, i will look very, very favorably about full pardons if i decide to run and if i win, i will be looking very, very strongly at pardons. >> amen. well deserved. >> i think that's probably going to be the best because even if they go for two months or sibs months, you know, they have sentences that go a lot longer than that. we'll be looking very seriously at full pardons because we can't let that happen. what's happened here, i mean full pardons with an apology to many. >> an apology. david chalian told vanity fair trump's role in january 6th, quote, makes him a unique candidate, but it does not make our approach any different in the sense that we hold every candidate who comes to cnn accountable for their words. skwloining me is the president and ceo of media matters, and

charlie sykes. let me play you the ceo of warner brothers. he's the ceo of warner brothers discovery discussing cnn hosting trump. >> we need to hear both voices. that's what you see. republicans are on the air on cnn, democrats are on the air. all voices should be heard. >> he's the front-runner. he has to be on. >> republicans, democrats, insurrectionists, everybody is on the air. your thoughts, angelo? >> i get a little uncomfortable with the false equivalencies if that's the position they have taken because it's kind of a reflection of the larger posture that cnn has had over the last year or so, which is to basically mollify all of their right wing critics or to attempt to mollify them by validating even the most bad faith attacks on the network from them and shift their focus to try to appeal to them to come back on the channel with all sorts of concessions or gimmes. and i think, yeah, of course he's the republican

front-runner. there's newsworthiness around it. it is absurd in some ways. i appreciate that. what i don't appreciate is the circumstances and the timing. it feels kind of odious, like an attempt to goose their ratings ahead of not just the moment we're in in terms of fox sliding, but this big up front event that's happening. i think that's a part of it x i find that unsettling, and the hub bub and the frustration out there is as much a reflection of the fact they're giving trump air time as a lack of confidence that cnn is going to do it well, and then the format, they keep saying he's going to answer questions from citizens. it's not about them engaging in journalism. it really is about giving him sort of a platform. it does feel like a laundering and i think that's fundamentally what the major concern is here. >> and they're making it a big deal, charlie. the person who is going to moderate this is formerly of the washington reporter who did the morning show earlier. but it feels to me like this is

a pretty open attempt by cnn to push itself to the right and make itself attractive and show its belly to maga and to conservatives hoping they will tune in. that's what it feels like to me. what does it seem to you? >> it feels like horrifically bad judgment to me. let's be clear about this. this is not journalism. this is entertainment. and journalism, you actually will control the questions and the answers, and you'll have some sort of a filter for misinformation. cnn will not be able to filter or control the disinformation that donald trump puts out on the air live, and cnn will not even be able to control the kinds of issues that are talked about. in journalism, you would ask him about the 26 women who have alleged sexual assault. you would ask him about whether or not he believes the constitution should be terminated. you would ask him about january 6th. you would ask him about pardoning the people that attacked the police officers. will that be what republican

maga leaning voters in new hampshire are going to discuss? and yet they have given him a full hour of air time, and donald trump knows entertainment. he's allergic to journalism, which is why he's going to love this town hall. >> and angelo, i know for a fact, okay, because i know folks over there, that some of their own, you know, people over there are very concerned about this as well. they actually have on their list of contributors people who have experienced january 6th. they're not getting to have a rebuttal. they're not getting equal air time where they can talk about this. it's pretty clear that what they want is for him to have an unfettered opportunity to say his thing. and they're not giving the -- go ahead. >> i was going to say, i think that's all valid. there are reporters, people who are concerned, they have good reason to be. because it's not just that he's out there promoting the same kinds of disinformation. he's playing, using the same

strategy he used last time but even more intense and worse. he's literally trying to organize power on what used to be the really far fringes. he's pushed qanon accounts on his other platforms more than 500 times in the past year. that's exponential increase since 2020 by him. that's not an accident. he's doing it on purpose. he's literally organizing power in what is considered a militarized movement. this cauldron of extremism like the last topic that we have seen swirling and that heat ratcheting up, he's helping raise the temperature. what cnn does is not only give him the ability to do that without any checks on top of it, but worse, they may be playing a big part in helping validate those things. a lot of times when these town halls are being done, the campaign gets to fill a large portion of the seats. they haven't gone and said, hey, don't worry, we're not using the same tricks we have in the past. we're not letting the campaign fill a single seat. we're going to do it. what's going to happen afterwards when trump gets to

announce he went into the belly of the beast and the cnn audience was applauding for him. >> let me read what you wrote, charlie. after the release of the "access hollywood" tape, the gop decided character doesn't matter. after indictments and paying a porn star, in the 2024 contest for the presidency, they hardly register. it's clear what kind of voters will be sitting in that studio. david duke ran for governor and for the united states senate in the state of louisiana, and he was the front-runner for a while, and he had a good shot at it. would they give him a town hall if he was the front-runner for president? >> we don't know. look, the explanation by krn krn are self-contradictory, and that quote by david chalian where he says we understand donald trump is unique, but we're going to treat him like every other candidate. he's not like every other candidate. arve other candidate is not an indicted felon who may be a rapist, who tried to overthrow the government. and again, in one hour, you

know, cnn says it will hold him accountable. but the amount of disinformation that donald trump can utter in one hour, i think, will defy their fact checking ability. so once again, we have the triumph of entertainment over journalism, but also, since he came down the golden escalator in 2015, america has not apparently learned anything. we're apparently cnn has not learned anything. >> the one thing trump ever said that is true is that the media loves him. that is true. at least some of them do. thank you both. up next, the man who dissed and dumped princess di is crowned king of england. amid a heated debate over the former empire's sordid colonization. we'll be right back.

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nations colonized enslaved by the british empire. especially -- in the caribbean to sever ties with the monarchy. two days ahead of charles's crowning, a group of indigenous leaders and advocates from those countries sent a letter urging the nuking to apologize and acknowledge the horrific impact on and legacy of genocide in colonization of indigenous and enslaved people of these nations. the letter also demands the return of cultural artifacts, financial reparations, and the king help recover from centuries of racism, oppression, colonialism, and slavery. joining me now is the chair of the caribbean philanthropic alliance who signed on to that letter. thank you so much, dr. hamilton, for being here. tell us why you wrote the letter. as you do, i want you to take a look at this picture of camilla, which i think symbolized for me the whole point of it all. there she is standing in her very heavy crown with blackened more statues behind her on the

mantle. >> when i see the picture of and the royalty and the crown and the jewels, i think about the pain and suffering of my ancestors. that was created on the blood, sweat, and tears of our ancestors. a coronation was not a time to enjoy, but to remember. in fact, we hear in jamaica were involved in a conversation, deep conversation about what it takes to move the king, as head of state, and pretty republic that represents the interests and will of the jamaican people. >> it's interesting that the commonwealth countries are mostly in the caribbean's -- it segura, and jamaica, obviously, australia being outside, india, et cetera. when william and kate came to jamaica, i think they got a taste of just how angry a lot of people are at them. is there any repair in this relationship unless there is separation? >> well, yes.

is there can be repair with the separation. it starts with an apology. it starts with a recognition that crimes against humanity are being committed. it starts with a process of healing and they promise not to continue the legacies we see today in the forms of racism that assist england, jamaica in particular of persons from the caribbean's still struggling with racism when brush -- policy put in place. those kinds of policies persist. we have to remove that and our struggle is not just to remove the king, but to remove all of the rest judges have colonial impact. >> we know that harry didn't attend, princess meghan and their children stayed in the united states. what do you make of the irony that the royals have really isolated and really harmed and

the one member who, as harry said, it was a huge opportunity to have someone who looks more like the people in the commonwealth and they were like, no thanks. >> absolutely. in fact, and that has incensed a lot of people. it is right there in your home. just a simple expression of love and caring was nothing. it didn't reach the heart and soul of many jamaican's across the caribbean, everybody of african descent that -- their capacity to manage someone of color was -- >> what's interesting, in the united states, of course, we do have a vice president of the united states who's a woman of jamaican heritage. it is just sort of ironic, right, that the country we originally came from has decided to sort of treat their commonwealth as an appendage rather than as a partner. >> yes, you know, again, it's a

long struggle, you know? we see this road as part of unfinished business of emancipation and decolonization. there's a lot of repair that has to be done. we have to see ourselves as equal human beings. we advocate for the concept of -- i am because you, are we are because -- we are all connected as human beings. when we begin to live it, we can begin to coexist on terms that are mutually respectful. >> and doctor rosalia hamilton, thank you so much. we'll be right back. >> thank you. hank you

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