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and recently, not some past generation or just the past few years, if you had been the chairman of the intelligence committee in the house of representatives again not a long time ago but recently, if you had been the attorney general of the united states recently, if you had had any of those jobs in the very recent past you'd think that you'd kind of be a hot ticket, right? you'd think that you'd hav you'd be moving in impressive circles maybe not for the whole rest of your life, the sort of impactor of that highfalutin jo you had would wear off, but at least while you were in that impressive very high end government job you'd think you can kind of write your own ticket and you think you'd move in kind of rarefied air. you would think. alas, this week all of those people i just mentioned,
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literallyt the guy who was attorney general of the united states ando the guy who was pentagon chiefuy of staff and national security advisor and white house trade chief, all the rest of these guys with these highfalutin jobs from the last republican administration this week all of them are speaking at the same event in miami, an event at a a hotel owned by the former president. the event will include all those trump administration officials as well as the former president's adult son, eric, the blonde one, and his daughter-in-law plus a whole lot of trump administration folks. and they'll all be speaking at that same event alongside -- i will interpret myself for a moment. if you don't particularly want to hear somethingon rapidly anti-celtic or if you're watching with your kids and you don't want them to hear something like this, so this is your chance to mute me for a moment. so i'll give you a chance to do
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that. okay, here it d is. >> if you look what happened all coming out of the same group of people that has done a very good job at hiding under the religion of judaism. they use judaism as a cover for what they're doing. these people are so elusive and cutting and capable. >> i'm sure they helped engineer the takedown of hitler. things that i see it just makes me shake my head after what they programmed -- >> this evil cabal has been causing all the chaos on the planet. people are going to learn a lot about world war ii and hitler and innazis. they're going to learn about hitler actually fighting the same people we're trying to take down today. >> hitler was fighting the same people we're trying to take down today. the jews, the evil cabal, the jews that did 9/11 and all the
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rest. i can't really believe they're going ahead with it. media matters the watchdog advocacy group have been reporting onro it since februar of this year. it's not like they can do this without people noticing. this week a trump hotel in miami is going to host an event that features lots of trump administration officials and trumpon family relatives and al this guy, that guy who you just heard who says hitler was fighting the good fight, the same fight we're all fighting now. in addition to everything you just heard him say, he also blames jewish people for all the presidential assassinations, not just jfk, yes, but all the way back to lincoln. lincoln he says killed by the jews, also william mckinley. okay. >> they assassinate anybody who threatens theirss power. doesn't matterei if you're a u.
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president. they did it to mckinley, did it lincoln. some people think it was john wilks booth. this is roughshod operation. >> that is going to be speaking this week at the trump property in miami. he speaks right before trump's acting attorney general of the united states, the bald guy there on the left.ti right before you get his remarks you'll get h remarks from the g who says the jews killed lincoln and hitler had all the right enemies and we've got to finish the job for him. and right before the other day of the conference, right before laura trump, the former president's daughter-in-law speaks and also peter navarro who'sro the white house trade chief, before they speak the attendees at the event are going to be treated to a speech by the other guy who said holocaust never happened and actually the
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covid vaccine that killed way more people than this so-called holocaust. >> how many people of you know more people were killed by the jab than were killed in the holocaust. >> he's also a featured speaker at the trump hotel in miami this week. unless youel think he's just being, you know,e' hyperbolic about the covid vaccine there in a joking way, a way some of these people want to do, as i mentioned media matters has been reporting on this planned event and these featured speakers for months now leading up to this event and they actually went through the eye burning trouble of looking at what else these featured speakers at thels trum hotel are bringing to the table for thisng event. and yeah, i don't think he was being hyperbolic in his holocaust references there. this is what his self-proclaimed official social media accounts are s posting online. yes, those are stars of david on the foreheads.
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you get the point. also this one with the jews as the puppets controlling the media. and this onein is subtle. here he iss posting hitler speeches,it literally hitler speeches. he has been hired as a featured speaker for the big trump hotel event in miami this week alongside all those trump family members trump senior officials and alongside the guy who said the jews did nine. the former president's adult son, eric, has been traveling the country in particular. a lot of trump family members and trump administration officials have been part of this thing, butn eric trump in particular has been traveling the country doing versions of this road show with these rabid anti-semites. and this week that road show arrives at thesh trump family hotel at the dural hotel friday
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and saturday this week. this past friday, just three days ago, the former president himself made a surprise video appearance been budapest in hungary in at the cpac conference. they held another event in hungary because cpac regular lewants to kiss the ring of the authoritarian right-wing leader of hungary named victor orban. that was an amazing thing because orban last july had just given a speech where he railed against race mixing. he said there should be no raceo mixing, and in his hungary there would be no more race mixing. his anti- -- speech was so alarming one of his top advisers
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resigned from the hungarian government saying, quote, the speech you delivered is a nazi diatribe worthy of goebbels. he gave that speech in july and in august cpac invited him to speak in dallas. they were ecstatic. they gave him a big standing ovation. and now cpac holds events in hungary every year apparently to continue to honor him. so trump just three days ago spoke at the victor orban cpac event on friday. and this friday he'll hote the hitler was right guys at his hotel in florida. tonight nbc news is verifying some of what are the worst of theor apparent motivation behin the gun massacre that happened this weekend in allen, tex.
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we're alsole learning the identities of some killed on saturday. these two beautiful little girls, second grade and fourth grade, they were both killed on saturday in allen, texas. this family, the mother and the father were killed and their 3-year-old son was killed with them. their 6-year-old son survived alone. this young woman, 26 years old, an engineer, she was killed. this young s man, 23 years old,e was working there as a security guard, he was killed. and there's so much that is disgusting and unsettling about these latest killings including sort of what they connect to. you might remember it was a year ago this weak at a gunman motivated by white supremacist racist ideology wept to buffalo, went into a super market in a black naeshd in buffalo and killed ten african americans in
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that market a year ago this week. that killer claimed he did that, he massacred all those people in that supermarket, he said he did it because of the great replacement theory which you can hear all about on fox news channel. he said he did it because of white replacement theory and genocide. he killed ten people and injured more thanpe that. in february thisha year he was sentenced to 11 life sentences. that buffalo attack, again, was a year ago this week. also the connection to allen, texas. allen, texas is where the latest massacre was this weekend. allen-texas is where the shooter was living from the el paso massacre. allen, texas, is where the guy started his road trip to that wal-mart in el paso in 2019 where he shot and killed three people, almost all of whom were latino. the killer there ranting he did
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it because of the great replacement theory popularized on fox news channel in prime time. now today in allen, texas, we're learning more about the apparent motive in killing all these people thisg weekend. it is not a subtle thing. thesu gunman is believed to hav recently posted this photo online. this picture and others like it appear to be him, appear to be pictures of himself from a couple weeks ago. you see some of his nice fresh tattoos there, and you see also reports he had a long social media record online that included rants against jews, against women, against racial minorities. nbc news also reporting he posted ao bunch of stuff onlin from white supremacist influencers including the one whoud recently was apparently invited topp mar-a-lago to dine with the former president at his south florida home. there have also been reports that the gunman from allen,
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texas, this weekend he had a patch velcroed onto the tactical vest he was wearing when he carried out the shooting. there's a patch of the similar kind shown on the tactical vest of the leader of the proud boys, the pro-trump right-wing military group until not that long ago that proud boys leader had a merch store that sold this patch. rwds stands for right-wing death squad. again, that patch waswi appareny on the tactical of vest of the killerof in allen, texas mchlg e proud boys sold hoodies with that acronym on them and also these proud boys showing off that patch and that acronym at their sort of shows of force in the streets including washington, d.c. right before january 6th. foury leaders of the proud boy
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the pro-trump military group were of course convicted of seditious conspiracy at the end of last week for their roles in the t january 6th attack on congress. one of those proud boys defendants just convicted of sedition he had not just a patch ofd the right-wing death squad acronym like the allen, texas shooter had, he actually had rwds, right-wing death squad, tattooed onqu his arm, which yo can see here. today also in federal court in washington, d.c., we got a fairlyc. heavy sentence handed down against yet another participant in the january 6th attack. he's 41 years old. he's a former petty officer first class in the u.s. navy. disturbingly he reportedly carried top secret and comparted information security clearancesy he was already convicted and sentenced to three years in federal prison on charges related to him possessing illegal weapons, unregistered silencers. that was just a few months ago.
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today he got an additional four years on hishe sentence for his participation in the january 6th attack. and in the fbi affidavit that prosecutors submitted to court in support of their case, that affidavit spells out his communications with fbi confidential informants, his coworkers, and others. him spelling out and explaining tond people why he was at the capitol onas january 6th with, says, the proud boys. that affidavit also explains this man's very clear world view for what exactly he was doing there that day, what he thought he was there to accomplish. this is from that fbi affidavit. quote, mr. speed stormed the capitol on january 6th, 2021 to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power to president biden whom he believed rose to power through election fraud and was, quote, operated by the jews. mr. speed was willing to act corruptly and achieve his goal
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to stop the certification in part because he felt so passionately he needed to defend himself and the united states against the jews. he did want the puppet of the jews to take power. he also felt more violence was needed to certify the certification but that that violence did not materialize because jews had lulled the americans into support for nonviolence. his deeply held anti-semitism was a core part on january 6th. he told our undercover informant he believed america, a chris kn country, was k locked in the battle with the jews. and so that's why he was there with the proud boys and their right-wing death squad patches.d that's why he was there with them to attack the capitol, to stand up trump in power because that was his guy standing up for white christian america, standing up against the jews.
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that's all today. that's all this week. that's all at once. of course -- not to even mention of course all this is happening while we're in the middle of the trial of the white power great replacement theory mass murderer from the tree of life synagogue in l pittsburgh. that trial is ongoing right now. and of course all of these things have the same smell, right? they're not just s -- they don' just happen to be connected in the news right now. they're connected. the buffalo white supremacist mass murder, the el paso white supremacist mass murder, the pittsburgh synagogue white supremacist mass murder, now it appearsr, allen, texas, the whi suprem soos mass murder. and in a nation recoiling and ashamed and disgusted, there's also these apparent connections, right, betweenon this bleeding, ragged, right-wing mass violence
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and the bleeding, ragged right-wing edge of politics. the most mainstream possible, electoral, republican politics. the most mainstream successful right-wing medians as well, but also this former president and his family and his former officials and the way he is currently running for president again. they're inviting literal hitler was right, outspoken anti-semites putting stars of david, jewish stars on the heads of theirs enemies, telling peoe that's who we need to be going after just the way hitler -- they're inviting people like that to their events with the highest ranking former officials of their government, and it's all happening while that former president is running for president again. and it's happening amid this unrelenting wave of white supremacist motivated mass murder.
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are those two things separate? are those two things just very disturbing parallelt tracks th will never meet and that have never met? or is one of these things an anchor forng the other? is the fact both of these things is happening at once in our country, frankly, accelerate them both? accelerate the racial radicalism and anti-selltism as a political tool, and also just accelerate the violence in the streets? do they work together, and if so, how? and if they do work together, how do we stop it? joining us now is someone who's devoted her professional career to thevo study of just this problem. she's the associate professor of history, author of thesomeinal book, bring the war home, the white power movement and nd paramilitary america. i really appreciate you making time to be with us tonight.
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thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> soor you can probably tell fm that -- right through from that wind up that i am disturbed -- i am unnerved at least by these two parallel tracks, by what we see happening with incredible anti-semitism radicalism adjacent to mainstream politics. should we see these things as parallel or are they lines that intersect? >> i don't think we can anymore sayt this is adjacent. i think that at least the republican party insofar as it is represented by donald trump has fully embraced many of these elements. the fact that this kind of speech is not only sort of waved through with a wink and a nod but invited in, and we can see that in the invitation of people
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like nick fuentes to dinner at mar-a-lago, the holocaust denial into the main welcome of the candidate. and the one most concerning for me as one who studies this kind of violence was the staging of and content of the press conference announcing the kick off ofen this campaign in waco, texas. many people know about the branch devidian siege enwaco as part of a government anti-sensibility, but to people in the far right, to people in neo-nazi groups, white power group, militant groups it is a call that leads directly to the oklahoma city bombing, a major act of terrorism. it is a direct call to that kind of c violence. it's not just about speech. it'st direct and bloody and ha realoo tols like we see in alle
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and el paso and buffalo and pittsburgh. and asbu more and more and moref these communities are impacted, that toll just grows and grows. >> what a is the effect, or wha can we learn at least from history and from previous sort of contention with the white power movement as you've documented it? what can we expect to be the effect of the justice department prosecuting seditious conspiracy charges against groups like the proud boys and the oath keepers? i was also struck by reading the prosecution's court filings, readingng those fbi affidavits fromos the 41-year-old man who s sentenced today who they went out of their way to make sure that it was on the record and part of the description he was motivated by anti-semitism. how does the justice department
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and the legal system in their intervention in this, how does that affect the future behavior of movements like this? >> sots there's two things to consider. one is what is a responsible and socially appropriate response to acts of violence that target in many ways the very nature of what it is to be an american? and i mean they target vulnerable communities. they target people ofet color. they target jewish communities, target women, trans story hour at the library. it goes on and on like this. they are also targeting institutions and elections and the sanctity of statehouses. it goes on and on like this. there has to be a legal outcome when things like this happen, and january 6th is such a stunningar event. it is absolutely appropriate to seeks seditious conspiracy charges and get those convictions. however, the flip side is the
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few people that are facing those charges are only one very small and usually public facing part of a ground swell that is broad and energized and incredibly angry, and ground swell that is motivated by the idea that they are under attack, and we see that for instance in their embrace of people who might not have been welcome in this movementlc just a few years ago. theye broader base of people is function of that sense of emergency.en when that is all in place, a decisive conviction will also have blowback effects and other acts of violence coming along im its wake. >> kathleen, i wanted to ask you one last question about this young man who's the apparent shooter from allen, texas. he a appears to be latino, and there's been a lot of discussion about the fact he's identified himself asfi per reporting
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essentially with the nazi movement, the neo-nazi movement and advancing white supremacist and anti-semitic views as a man who appears to be latino himself. how do you describe that as a dynamic here as someone who's studied the white power movement? >> i think this is relatively new and critically important to understand. because this claim to a neo-nazi set of ideas by someone who might be classified as latino in many u.s. settings is true not just for the allen gunman but for many other people including people in the proud boys. and we don't know yet whether the gunman was part of proud boy. certainly he was wearing patches that as you mention were sold by proud boys. but there's a direct linkage between somethingka like right-wing death squad and the slogan that comes with it which is -- to latin-american ideas aboutin whiteness.
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pinot shea was the infamous right-wing dictator who dealt with his enemies, dealt by simply throwing others out of a helicopter over the ocean. it was said way back way before january 6th. and the other thing to understand, and this has a long history, it's l complex. i'll dost it here very quickly, but people can read more about this. ideas about whiteness and what counts as white and who might be under the umbrella of being included in nazism are very, very different fromzi country t country. one of the striking things in the allen, texas shooter's purported social media are images of people who in the united states would present as latino wearing nazi dress and not just n the shooter, groups d
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groups of people wearing nazi uniforms, wearing nazi symbols and really taking on this ideology as their own. iplatin america there's often a different racial hiarchy. whiteness has to do with a larger amount of spanish heritage and smaller amount of indigenous or african hairten. the outcome is not difficult to understand. the outcome d is anti-american targeted violence at communities of color, jewish communities, other sort of racial enemy communities and at our institutions of democratic governments. >> associate professor of history at northwest university, thank you for your time and expertise tonight. appreciate you beingim here. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. rachel >> we'll be right back stay with us has no idea she's sitting on a
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this was on the side of the road in allen, texas, this weekend after a man took an ar-15-style weapon to a shopping mall and killed eight people. you can see some of the signs there, i don't want to be murdered at the mall, i don't want to be murdered at school, enough is enough. that was sunday afternoon, but the republican governor of texas, greg abbott, had already said at that point he had decided how texas would respond to latest gun massacre in allen. >> what texas is doing in a big
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time way, we are working to address the anger and violence, we're going to its root cause which is addressing the mental health problems behind it. >> working to address that anger and violence not by making it anymore more difficult for people to buy an assault-style weapon they can take into a shopping mall regardless of their feelings, he said we're going to address the mental health crisis. we're going to call it that and go at it that way. whenever you hear a republican elected official say they're going to tackle the gun violence crisis by addressing mental health, consider the last time the republican party had full control in washington right after trump was elected in 2016, when they had republican control of the house and senate and the white house, what was the right thing they did, the very first one was to make it easier declare people who had been
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mentally ill to buy guns. it was literally the one and only purpose of their first bill, make it easier for people who have been adjudicated mentally ill to get access to firearms. that was their first priority with a new republican congress and a new republican president. that's one way to address the mental health crisis. given that history it is rich to hear any republican elected official parrot this line after a mass shooting we're going to tackle the mental health crisis. it's particularly rich coming from texas greg abbott. april last year governor abbott took a look at the state agency in texas that's specifically tasked with overseeing mental health services in that state. last april governor greg abbott slashed their budget by over $200 million. less than a month later when a gunman killed 19 little girls
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and two teachers at a school in texas. governor abbott attributed that massacre in uvalde to the mental health challenge. he said as a reaction to the uvalde shooting texas should prioritize mental health right after he had cut $200 million from the agency that controls mental health services in his state. here's a different idea. a new texas poll shows that a vast majority of texas citizens including nearly two-thirds of texas republicans support new gun control legislation in that state. and governor abbott may not be listening to that feedback, but at least a sliver of the republican dominated legislature in texas might be. surprising as this may be to hear, today a republican controlled committee in the texas house advanced a bill that would raise the age limit for buying an assault rifle, the same kind of weapon used this weekend in allen and used in the uvalde shooting.
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it would raise the minimum age from 18 to 21. i repeat it passed a republican dominated committee in texas. the bill still has a long way to go, has to clear the full house and republican controlled senate before making it to governor abbott's desk. i should tell you, though, governor abbott has made it abuntedly clear he has no intention of signing such a bill no matter what proportions of texans would want it. he said any bill to ray raise the minimum age on assault weapon could be unconstitutional and therefore could never support it. watch this space. and therefore support it watch this space
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visit findahandspecialist.com today to get started. i've got some updates for you. this has been a busy day in this part of the news. you will see what i mean here. today the judge overseeing the hush money criminal case in new york city against donald trump has now banned the former president from posting any evidence from the trial on social media. the judge's new order today also limits trump to viewing any sensitive evidence in the trial only in the presence of his lawyers. he's not allowed to look at it alone. he must have chaperones. meanwhile, in the state of georgia where fulton county prosecutor fani willis has been considering potential criminal charges related to trump's efforts to overturn the results of the last election where fani willis has told law enforcement in georgia to be ready for,
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quote, significant public reaction to her anticipated actions in the case, in georgia the republican governor of that state has now signed into law a bill that would allow republican legislators in georgia to remove prosecutors who take actions they don't like. republican governor kemp signed that bill on friday. they could start using to remove prosecutors as soon as october this year. and like i said busy day all in this one sector of the news. this afternoon journalist e. jean carroll left the courthouse to applause and tears. she said mr. trump raped her in '90s and said he defamed her by calling her accusation a hoax and a lie. during this two-week civil trial e. jean carroll testified at her behalf. she said here, quote, because
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donald trump raped me and he said it didn't happen, he lied and shattered my reputation and i'm here to try and get my life back. in the end trump himself chose not to take the witness stand to rebut her despite telling reporters in ireland last week he'd come to new york to confront her in the courtroom, he did no such thing. that means the only trump appearance jurors would have seen in the trial is the video deposition in the case, which lawyers played in closing arguments today. in one question the former president mistook a photo of carroll for his ex-wife. he thought she looked enough like his ex-wife he mistook them for the photo. one juror told an attorney, quote, he knows what he did, he
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knows he sexually assaulted e. jean carroll. the case wrapped today and will go to the jury and go for deliberations tuesday morning. joining us now is my friend lisa rubin. ties too see you under the lights instead of just in the office. it's weird but good. >> it's weird but wonderful. >> what exactly is the jury going to decide tomorrow? they're going to be instructed by the judge. it's a civil case. they're being asked not to find guilt or innocence but either liability or lack of liability. >> that's correct. and they're also going to be asked to find if donald trump is liable to what amount of damages he's liable to e. jean carroll for compensating her for her losses and also punitive damages. did he do something egregious here it's worth going above and beyond what she lost to send a message to him and others who might be thinking about this behavior. >> bottom line in the cold light
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of day what's at stake here for trump is a finding by a jury of liability and some money. in terms of the amount of money i don't know what counts as a meaningful amount of money for trump. it's very hard for me to understand somebody in his financial circumstances what that would mean. has there been anything that's happened in the court of the trial given you a sense of what the potential range might be? >> yes and no. e. jean carroll presented solely on reputational damages. the woman was a professor in marketing and social media that said to mount a reputation campaign here would cost something between $250,000. today in their closing her lawyers talked about the loss opcompanionship in her life. she doesn't flirt, doesn't banter, closes down emotionally. they compared to a great closing
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over a bodega, she's not capable of sustaining a relationship with a man and therefore they should consider that in awarding damaging as well. >> the way these cases were closed, well, it's not the prosecution and defense but that's effectively the way it works, i felt there was some suspense really until late in the day yesterday whether or not there was going to be an additional witness and seemed that trump's own attorneys basically had two plans, one for he'd showed up and one for if he didn't, that they closed in a way they had to if they had mounted an effective defense. >> i think they never expected him to come and i think they never wanted him to come. joe tacopina in his closing today reiterated so many things we saw in his opening and one of the things was we don't have to mount a defense because how do you prove a negative, this never happened, i'm even going to show
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you excerpts where he said emphatically this never happened. and our sole defense is going to be by cross examining their witnesses. and poking holes in all the evidence provided by the other side. >> do you think this was an additionally traumatizing event for e. jean carroll having been there in the courthouse this week? i mean it's an act of remarkable bravery for her to have brought this case if her accusations are accurate. was this case just as painful as it seemed from the outside? >> i mean, look, i'm not a psychologist, right, and i don't have any degrees to say whether someone is telling the truth but i believe her story was true for her. the emotion and intensity she experienced all throughout the trial including from the very openings when she turned around and looked joe tacopina directly in the face as to if to say to him how dare you say this about
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me was profoundly effectbing and see her break down today after closings were over hug her lawyer in an emotional moment between the two of them, i think e. jean carroll was partially retraumatized by experiencing this, and yet she said she's so happy to finally get to have ther day in court. >> lisa rubin, thank you for being in the courtroom through this trial. we'll be right back. stay with us. this trial we'll be right back. stay with us i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance
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spring is here which means that pride season is under way. this was the pride parade in north hampton, massachusetts, this weekend. it's always one of the earliest of the year. 15,000 people turned out this weekend to celebrate what was the first in-person pride in north hampton, massachusetts, since before the pandemic. and a lot of republican controlled states this year planning of pride celebrations is turning out to be a legal minefield. republican state legislatures all over the country have been falling all over themselves to pass anti-drag laws and a variety of anti-trans legislation much of it really broad and really vague. organizers of pride events in red states all around the country are having to censor their plans. nowhere is this more true than
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the great state of tennessee by becoming the first state in the nation to enact a ban on drag performances a couple of months ago. the ban has been temporarily blocked by a federal judge, but meanwhile what the ban has done is it's managed to create a sort of catalyst for a lot of amazing and otherwise artistic performances in tennessee. while show you what i mean. on the day, for example, that tennessee's republican governor signed the dragpismance ban into law, a great country band called the vandalers played in tennessee. they did the show with all the dudes in the bands wearing dresses. after they made their point by performing in those dresses they then auctioned them off, they auctioned off the dresses and reissed a whole bunch affmoney for organizations fighting the anti-drag bill in tennessee. just a few weeks later the superstar lizzo came to
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knoxville and brought a posse of drag stars up on stage with her. some people suggested she cancel her show in tennessee in response to the new anti-drag law. she told the crowd that night, quote, why would i not come to the people who need to hear this message the most? last week a singer was joined by drag performers in her show in nashville defying what she said was an undercover police officer at the venue, that she did not bring those performance on stage. and the latest one, folk rock musicians, two great singer/songwriters, the two of them played back-to-back sets in nashville. and when they came out to do an encore together they surprised everybody they had backstage changed clothes as in swapped clothes sparting a dark suit and a nice hat. and james wearing a red mini
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dress and pearls. when in tennessee we will do our little bit for humanity. for all the ridiculousness of trying to ban drag performances, what we have now is all these in their day job non-drag performers aggressively defying the law, risking arrest if need be if their courts lift their hold on the law. it is making for some amazing and unexpected american art in the meantime. stay with us. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles have patented gel waves that absorb shock to hard-working muscles and joints, for all-day energy.
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